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Cant fish here ...Im going to call the cops!!
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- He guys welcome to my first video where I was threatened to have the cops called out me for fishing in what I guess is the Indian Rivers version of Area 51. Check it out and see what else he said to me and let me know if you think I handled it cool enough or let me know in the comment section what you would have said to him...lol.
i am a land surveyor and even if your lot DOES extend into a lake, stream or river, YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT RESTRICT ANY ACTIVITIES OF OTHERS in the water...end of story.
you are correct and this is the right answer
Key is ON the water... Not walking on the bottom which may belong to homeowner.. Thats the difference.
Exactly, low water line should be boundary.
@Ripsaw17 Dennis If it is tidal water, you are allowed anywhere below the "low tide water line". You can't own tidal waters anywhere.
@@mrxracing Generally, it is the high water mark. In other words, they don't own the beach either.
It's actually illegal in my state to interfere with sportsman hunting and fishing. Call the cops bud. Take YOUR ticket.
haha so close russ... Rusty out!
It's a second degree misdemeanor in Florida
yes the hunter and fishing Harassment act
No person or person's shall interfere with a person or persons partaking in legal fishing or hunting Activities
by means of stealing ones property or caught wildlife
(Example fish or caught wildlife IE Bears Rabbits or other animals) Any person or persons breaking this law is faced with a fine or jailtime
What state do you live in cause I'm moving there
No tickets, WE WANT ARRESTS!
You handled that incredibly well. Homeowners do not own the water.
He wasn't claiming he owned the ''water'' but the land under the water they could own. The guy wasn't in a boat, he was wader fishing. Floating on the water is completely a different story. Same rules apply in NY State.. not sure what the laws are where he was in the video but many states are same as NY.
@@swmplvr. That's weird because I have heard you can't own any water ways like rivers. It is all Federal property.
@@elcajondavid1 I didn't say anything about anyone owning the WATERWAY itself.
@@swmplvr. I know what you are saying. But I have heard the property ends at the water line or shore unless the area was private property to begin with like a lake or a pond and the property surrounds it. But I have also heard when it comes rivers and large bodies of water the feds own it. Whatever the case fishing is turning into a bitch of a hobby.
@@elcajondavid1 fishing, among other things
Next time that happens have THEM call fish and game. Not the cops or security,, they dont know the laws.
Yep, It's a $500 fine and up to 2 months in jail, for harassment of fishing in Florida
He would be trespassed
If he’s walking and not in a boat, then some states that’s trespassing.
@@calebmahoney2448 That's such a strange law. In Canada, at least in my province, you just aren't allowed to own anything within 10 meters of the water, kinda like if you buy a property in a town, the town owns 5 meters into your lawn which they use to put power poles and whatnot in. So up here, I would be allowed to walk along that guy's beach and fish from the shore legally, though most people are pretty respectful where I live. It's usually only people from other countries that buy summer homes here that end up getting upset about people fishing on what they consider their property.
This video is apparently a good example of why it's important to actually read the laws for your area before you head out for some fishing or hunting, because there's weird differences like that. Probably best to check with the Dept of Natural Resources since they'll be the ones coming out to explain the rules to you when you mess up anyway. They're much nicer if you ask before so they don't have to come find you.
If you don’t want people fishing by your house, don’t buy a house on a river.
Robert Phillips
Like living on a golf course and getting mad when a window breaks.
_What did you think was going to happen?_
Trump voters, go figure.
@@timchamberlin9280, Admit it you Trumptard, these people voted Trump. Stop contradicting yourself. You people are so delusional and pesky.
Knewt Knight you mom have any kids that lived?
@@timchamberlin9280 , the internet is not on your property, you don't own it so let me keep fishing for Trumptards. Go back inside or hurry up and call the law.
The water is a navigable waterway... it is not private property... unless you have a pond in your yard
@Max Power it includes the body of water in a navigable waterway
@Max Power don't know what state your from but you can't stop people from public water ways and if you have a private pond that's fed from public Waters then you know longer have a private pond at least in California that's how it works and you get 50ft from the shore line, that's only sensible.
That keeps the rich fucks from keeping what ain't theirs from you.
U can float, but not wade. Property owner owns the land under the water to the center of the river.
@@markbrecht9551 379.232 beds and bottoms of navigable rivers, bayous, lagoons, lakes, bays, sounds, inlets, oceans, gulfs and other bodies of water within the jurisdiction of Florida shall be the property of the state except such as may be held under some grant or alienation heretofore made. No grant, sale or conveyance of any water bottom, except conditional leases
The exceptions are like oyster farms and stuff.
@@TKE627 so someone can own the land UNDER the water...
I have fished all my life and never ran into one of these, 'I own the water' types. What a D bag
Ive met a couple. Just say "Tell it to someone who matters, because your opinion doesn't."
you held your ground and stayed calm and handled that well. I liked the part after he said he was gonna call the cops where you said, I'd like you to call the cops, I think that threw him off guard.
This is what happens when city dwellers purchase waterfront property they don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground .
Yeah they need to live in the city , what is the fisherman bothering , assholes don't need to be around water or hunting land
It’s funny because when country bumpkins move to the city, the opposite happens and they get mad that something was done.
And commenters who don’t know how to spell “ their “ .
@@coyoterx6002 your country doesn't fund umpteen socialized countries' defense and welfare
Casey NRB my country doesn’t have to.
U spent way too much time talking to him. Tell him to eff off and keep fishing.
Exactly what I would have done. Not arguing with idiots
I incessantly make fun of them until they lose their mind or f* off on their own. You don't own the water unless you own all of the land surrounding the water.
Same thing I said. Let em call the cops.
@@thomasthomas9640 - Yup. Most states have laws regarding harassing hunting and fishing. I would have told him not to bother calling the cops because I will and report him for harassing a sportsman.
he got his 15 minutes
I would have made it a one minute conversation. Then went back out to keep fishing ignoring him like he wasn't even there.
You were FAR too tolerant. Let Fish and Wildlife educate him. Be nice but firm as in “not your problem.”
@SuperEmitt
Indian River Pescador wasn't in low water level line.
Some folks have such an ego this guy don’t own the damn river
Tidal Water Act says that any body of water subject to the ebb and flow of tide may be navigated.
@anonymous that's the thing, he doesnt own the water he might own the land underneath the water, which makes it ok for people to be there as long as they're in the water
Just my guess, but land owners often have water rights going out a specified distance. This means they have a legal right to the water and land, but not ownership of the water or land. The public still has access to these waterways.
jared burk in most states it is to the low tide mark
I am very impressed by your attitude with this man. If more people acted like you in conflict, the world would be a much better place.
No, because it was left with that nut job still believing he owned that land.
I would have asked him if he owned a hammer, too. If he said yes, I would have told him there's plenty of sand on the shore, go pound it.
David Hall can’t wait to use this on some joker 🃏
Florida Statute 372.705, “Harassment of hunters, trappers and fishers,” states:
(1) A person may not intentionally, within a public or privately owned wildlife management or fish management area or on any state-owned water body:
(a) Interfere with or attempt to prevent the lawful taking of fish, game, or nongame animals by another.
(b) Attempt to disturb fish, game or nongame animals or attempt to affect their behavior with the intent to prevent their lawful taking by another.
(1) is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) Any person who violates subsection
The latter two statutes set the penalty for a second degree misdemeanor as up to 60 days in jail and a fine of up to $500.
A copy should be in everyone's tackle box.
Arnksaw needs a law like this.
usiknme print this up and hand it to him next time..👌🏻
Also a clear zone out of the water what a dumb ass.
Pretty sure I would have insisted that he calls the police, or called a game warden myself to see how he reacted to potentially getting a citation for harrassing an angler that was fully within their rights.
Please call the police or fish and wildlife. I think I would have called them to ask him not to harass me.
Yes sir
No don't call the Police. Although I am Pro Law Enforcement I will admit half of the new guys don't even know their traffic laws, or their asses from a hole in the ground for that matter. Call FWC this is their specialty.
I don’t know about Florida, but I own both sides of a river in Michigan, and everyone can use it, legally. You have to stay in the water, and aren’t allowed to pass the high water mark.
Jerud Rhen exactly. The warden could have resolved this for you in the future. I think overall it was handled well, but I would have rather seen the warden put this matter to bed.
Well done for standing your ground in a respectful way. You won the day. Some people are so selfish!
In my home state when this issue has confronted me I immediately ask the homeowner to call the sheriff or the DNR. If I am in my home county I call the cops as I have the sheriff's department and the DNR officers' numbers programmed into my phone. Every time this has happened to me the homeowner will usually run back inside the house when the cops show up and the officer has to go to the door and call them back outside.
That douche is one of those people who have nothing better to do than mind everyone else's business. You handled it perfectly.
You should hold a fishing tournament in the river in front of his house then put that on CZcams please👍😎🍺🎶🎸🇱🇹🇺🇸
That's what the radio station use to do every year in front of the PETA building. Hilarious!
veronews.com/2019/03/24/hundreds-turn-out-for-fishing-rights-protest-as-deputies-and-fwc-officers-look-on/
How’s that tournament go? We should have another.
Lets do it!
Ram it down his throat maybe 500 boats lol or have the pros come in
You handled that with respect, avoiding escalation, but stuck to your guns
Here in Florida the property ends at the mean high tide . Basicly high tide mark on land and they can’t throw you off so long as your in the watet
That is a international law , including here in Vancouver no one can stop any one from walking below the high tide mark,
You are in your legal rights to fish there. This guy telling you otherwise is a territorial nut!
He's also a liar!
Keep fishing!
@mike sixx wrong on both counts. The water IS public access, the land beneath it is NOT. There is no legal way to WADE on land owned by another, without permission.
Tide line is NEVER a legal boundary, because it is constantly in flux/ change.
And you don't understand that the boundary is under water due to the HIGH tide. He IS on the man's property. The water level moves with the pull of the moon, the land markers haven't moved.
@mike sixx the best answer would be "it depends". You have have access to navigate the waters, though the bed may be private or state owned. The land owner also has Rights and is also restricted as to what he can and can not do. Such as he can not shut off navigation, but he can prevent trespass.
The water is deep enough for a canoe, so it is public access, as long as you enter and exit the water at a legal place, and not through the man's property.
Location makes a big difference as to legality, since the land owner may own to the center of the river, or the entire river bed, depending upon if he owns the property on one side or both.
Some states allow the public to fish while wading, and others do not. Some only allow "navagation".
So it really comes down to the local laws involved.
I know that here, I can hunt and fish even on private land, , that a navigable river flows through, as long as I do not touch the river bed at all. If I drop anchor, he can have me arrested for trespass. (Of course, if he owns one side. I can stay to the other side. )
There is a HUGE section of Law devoted to water, access to water, and Water Rights. Some states even claim rainfall as a state resource, and illegal to collect or interfere with. (Colorado for example, just recently allowed for civilian collection of rainfall.)
@mike sixx you're right. With the exception of labor laws, where state supersedes federal. I will have a chat with our DNR as to why we are forbidden to drop anchor. (There are even products made to get around the rule by clamping off to cat tails to prevent drifting.)
I own 50 acres in the Pacific ocean!..KEEP OUT!!
Iv'e seen the garbage patch in the pacific, clean it up mate!
well i was just told your water can realy move lol and i was all so told the sun is stealing your water every day non stop i would put a stop to that
John Smith no you can’t
@John Smith Then show me the law twatwaffle....No, ok so we all know you're full of shit. Thanks
John Smith can’t own under either.
Anglers:
People who live near any body of water: WHAT are ye DOIN in MAH SWAMP!?
You definitely handled it the right way. A lot of people who are confronted in that way would have been hostile.
He was a roid monster looking for confrontation.
You stayed cool, good job, I wish you would of insisted he called the police. He was a jerk.
You did a great job staying cool. I would have told him where he could go.
If anyone gets harassed while fishing call FWC on them and press charges. Things won’t change until action is taken . These people are willfully ignorant.
"I own out to 450."
"No you don't."
Conversation over.
Wow! Just shows that it is important to know your rights. You were so tolerant and reasonable with that fellow! Way to go!
Legend has it they're still discussing to this day whether he's seen anyone fishing in the river.
There no way he's the first person he seen fish there. Unless he never comes iutside
And 2 years later I have still never seen anyone fishing there. Where the heck is this river anyways.....?
The river is public property all the way to the high waterline. He can't do anything about it.
That's what it is in Washington State. I wouldn't bet it was the same everywhere. I'd call the Fish & Game Dept. and ask them to come and talk to the guy. Lots of rich folks buy waterfront property and seldom come close to the water. They want a house with a dock so they can moor an impressive yacht and let it sit because they don't know how to drive the thing. Sad!
You should have had him call the police so they could educate him on the law. You were very respectful
Yea I think he may have thought he could intimidate me...lol. When I told him to call them and said I wasn't leaving he was stumped. The best was when he said to get going and I was like your the one who called me over...lol. I was like I know what I'm posting on Monday...lol
*you're
@@lamarw7757 .. who freacking cares
@@tomj8337 Grammar is freaking important.
@John Smith my property borders a river and I own too the water line , yes that's right the water line , if the water is up I own less land , if the water is down I own more , yes there is a said property line that I pay taxes on ,that goes out into the water but the water line itself determines what is public domain , or government domain how ever you want to look at it .
DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND JOHN ?
Oh and one more goddamn thing ! I have read and fully understand the federal rules on navigable water ways , the rule also includes water so shallow that a person can legally get out of a boat / raft / canoes and walk along the bottom of the river a tow there shit bye hand SO FUCK YOU , FUCKTARD !
Here in north carolina properties that adjoin the ocean or the sound or rivers run to the high water mark not out into the water 450 foot. I've been a land surveyor for over 30 years and it's easily checked. We have a GIS (geographical information system) online that is accessible to the public. Type in any address and it will give owner info as well as deed information. Reading the deed will either give you a recorded map for that piece of property which would show where the property ends in regards to the body of water adjacent to it or the deed description should address that fact itself. all of this info is available to the public.
Wow , you have amazing self control sir . If this was me , the cops would of definatly been called , ambulance too! Lolol.
wow badass. you must trane ufc
@@cliveramsbotty6077 well I didn't say who the ambulance would be for .lololololol.
I have a bell and a sign on my dock. "If you happen to catch a few and can spare a couple ring the bell so me n my ole lady can have a fish fry tonight. :) " It rings every now and again. Friends with some regulars because of it.
Thats just great!
@Ryan Welch Right , and sooo totally uncalled for !
Classy
That’s awesome
Where’s your dock? 😊
@@addysadventures1058 I'm fat enough
The river is nobody's property that's some BS
Do NOT communicate with idiots, they will drag you down to their level!
He had an accent. That may be how it worked in the country he's from🤣 Not here.
gianna belsito these foreigner come to the United States thinking they run shit America is becoming pussy nobody fucks with our fishing venture but mother nature
Some fatass americans sound with an accent, what's your point lol
As a native Floridian, please learn the term "Go get F$%* I'm fishin and go call the whole world"!!!!!! Wasted line wet time and the guy just rambled on and on
@S S LOL
@Einstein Sweeeet! Karma does exist 😉 Moral of the story to Mr. @sshole beachfront landowner...be careful what you ask for! 😒
Something fishy about that guy, no pun intended. He was up to something and didn't want anyone around.
Hiding his grow opp
Only if he was trying to grow whatever ingredients go into steroids, gotta feed that roid rage for the fishermen :-) cheers
I was thinking he seemed like foreign military, possibly on some black ops shit🤔. But that’s just me
That spot is where the bricks of cocaine are thrown onto the beach
To be readied for distribution by jughead
DRUGS ???
In most states, the public has a 10-15 foot right-of-way from the edge of the inland lake, river, stream, creek on which they my walk or fish. They may not do any damage, place any pole holders, tents or stakes into or on the property, just walk or fish.
WRONG
No...Who told you that?
You handled it well. What state is this in? Many states have laws regarding rivers where you can actually walk the beach, fish from the beach etc. as long as you are within the high water mark which is usually way the hell up the bank. Wyoming and Colorado on the other hand the owner does in fact own the bottom. However, as long as you are in a craft and not touching the bottom.....to bad.
The river is not his property. The river is public property. He is wrong. Period. If I were you, I would have called the police to set his @ss straight before he mistakenly harasses anyone else. When I spoke to a wildlife officer here in NC about the whole private property thing, he told me all public waters have an easement & it is technically public property even on the beach, I "think" it was 7 foot he quoted me. Nobody's private property extends into public waters. Now, the wildlife officer also told me it would be better to just stay away from easements adjacent to private property just to avoid confrontation, but technically, there is an easement and this dude is 100% wrong trying to tell you his private property extends out into the river. 100% wrong. The wildlife officer advised me to just stay in my kayak on the water and then I would be safe from breaking any trespassing laws. You would do well to contact your wildlife management officers in your area to confirm because in my mind, if you're wading out in the water, and not walking onto the beach at all, then that's the same as being out on a kayak on the water. You're not stepping foot onto the beach where someone could possible dispute whether you're on or off the easement. This dude you were talking to here in this video however, was 100% wrong about everything. He thinks his private property extends 400-500 feet out into the river? Bwahahahahaha! He's just trying to scare you off imo. I wouldn't back down if this is your regular fishing area. Get a wildlife management officer to go talk to the dude if necessary so he'll stop harassing you. You are in the right, not this hatin @ss bozo.
Casual Carolina Fishing Lol I will be back there again soon and hope to god he comes out again😂😂
Good for you Tom!
Also if he keeps harassing you he can be cited
actually they do own property under water...where that line is varies, especially where it is tidal...if it is navigable it can be traveled by vessel but anchoring is trespasing
That is common misconception. While state laws do vary, SCOTUS case law says their is a public easement up to the ordinary high water mark.
Carry a pistol when you fish there. He seems like he might be crazy.
It's what I do.. I stay armed 24/7 while fishing.. always a random cunty person trying to attack u
And open carry is legal in FL when fishing, hunting, hiking, camping.
I always carry when fishing .
Plus this dude is yoked
Statistically, whipping out a gun in situations like that is more likely to get you killed if there's a chance the other person is also armed.
While it is true that in my State the land owner DOES own the land to the center of the river bottom, he or she does not own the water that flows over it. Here in Wisconsin we have a law that considers any navigable water way open to the public as long as your "feet are wet" or if you must portage your vessel to get around obstacles. You have every right it be in that water.
Laws and ordinances can vary from state to state, but my overwhelming experience is that navigable waterways are open to the public. Strange as it sounds, the land underneath may be considered trespassing. Anchors or standing within their property limits is illegal. Fishing from a flotation device would be ok.
On the Indian River they only own to the median high water line.I was 50 ft. from it when he called me over.I can actually be walking on the beach and it would have been fine.Thanks for watching and commenting.
I would have told him to call the DNR. And then ignored him. You spent to much time talking to a fool.
Florida we have FWC
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
You spelled tool wrong.....
No shit. I'd be nice for a sec but you don't listen or avt like a bully, haha f off!!!
Over by tipacanoe river in winamac Indiana we always have crazy people putting up fences across it they claim they own it then game warden comes in tears it down they go back again because they keep putting it up
I would have called the police myself. In Alabama it is a violation of the law to heckle or harass a person fishing or hunting legally. He needs to know and probably does. May just tries to Bluff people away and people leave to avoid confrontation
Yea that why I told him to call and that I was just fishing.Haven't seen him since..lol Thanks for watching and commenting
Indian River Pescador Good luck to you!
@@eddystocks8556 Thanks! Tightlines😎👍
yep
I would tell him nobody owns the river and to eat shit
It's always the same. "Im gonna call the police", fisherman calls their bluff then they stop dead in their tracks.
I know each state is different, but I have run across places where people actually do own part of the water. In one case, a family had owned land and then a lake was impounded down the "creek" and flooded part of their property. The courts granted the portion of the lake to them that had been their land. They subsequently put up buoys and signs.
That is a navigable waterway he is just a bully
The State of Florida, in its sovereign capacity, holds title to the beds of navigable waters, including the shore and the space between high and low water marks, in trust for the people of the state who have rights of navigation, commerce, fishing, boating and other public uses. Brickell v. Trammell, 544, 82 So. 221 (1919).
@John Smith at anytime of year you can navigate the waterway from public access with anyone vessel.
@John Smith if you can get to the water from public access with let's say a kayak anywhere you go on that waterway is navigatable. Is that clear enough. Name calling is so childish I'll talk to your mom later.
@John Smith yeah canoes carry commerce EVER HEARD OF FURS FUCKTARD ? that's the entire reason creeks where included into the law god your stupid , did you read anything , I am thinking just the first few lines .
John Smith no, I’d rather attack you with my keyboard and use CAPS ALL THE TIME TO SHOW HOW ANGRY I AM ALL THE TIME!!! 😂😂😂🥴🥴
@John Smith I have property on a waterway. I researched it.
Not sure exactly where this was but from looking at the map generator app that shows property lines and the owners names for that city, half of the properties do not even go down to the waters edge. In a lot of the places the South FLA Water Mgmt Dist owns a buffer along the shoreline. (most likely up to high water mark) Looks like the property owners mow the grass and stuff down to the water but they seemingly are just mowing the grass for the city/state. LOL
You handle these situations remarkably well.
I have found people are more agreeable when they understand the fact that I'm in possession of a firearm .
They seem to cool down quite rapidly.
Moonshine smooth why does that matter when they don’t have weapons themselves lol if you were to shoot an unarmed person just because they were aggressive and maybe getting physical it’s not enough for self defense... plus that’s a pussy move use your hands like a fuckin man
@@PuRpLeDaNk1 Just them knowing you have it generally would deter assholes in a lot of cases. Just knowing this guy could shut your pie hole forever in a instant. Then some are so stupid they would dare you to shoot them.
@@PuRpLeDaNk1 Hell I'm capable of both. However, when I'm in my boat fishing and some dickhead tells me i cant fish by his dock i tell him i sure as hell can and make sure he can see my pistol which i carry legally. And I'm not scared to fight with my fist, did a little boxing growing up!
Definitely using your pistol for the wrong reasons. Your pistol is not there to boost your confidence or to intimidate folks. It's there for self defense. Everything you just described makes you look like a fool
Probably better off inquiring with Fish and Game officers about it.
What does the State Game and Fish laws say. In a lot of states the land owner does not own a free flowing river, and in fact, they don’t own where the river would normally run at normal or high levels
Yeah you handled it good people who aren't educated on what they actually own will try defending it. You never know if he genuinely thinks you're on his property and you telling him it's not will get him mad and shoots you or something.
When someone says they are calling the police and don't there full of BS.
When you left he came back out and pee'd all around the place marking his territory lol
I was born and raised in Melbourne/ Satellite Beach area. The Indian River Lagoon was a big part of my life. No one owns the river. You are free to wade and fish where you like as long as you don't go on private property. the land owner's property ends at the water! I would have made him call the cops so they could school him on the law!
i'm hearing a foreign accent, needs to check the law.
send us the location wade party!!!!
Hell yea I thought about it😂🤣👍👍
Hi John, here in Oregon all navigable waters up to the high water mark are legal to use as long as you stay below the high water mark.I had the same thing happen to me so I went to the state water board and took a letter to the land owner. He had to let us fish. I know all the states may have different laws.Take care......Bill
Why dont you go and get a copy of his deed to the property. Here where I live in NB Canada anyone can go in to the Land Registrars office where the deeds are registered, search out the deed and get a copy printed off.
Now some old old deeds have what's called Riparian Rights written in them, which means, the property line is in the middle of the stream or on the opposite bank. Where a stream cuts through a property it may be that Raparian Rghts are included also. These Rights were usually given to the original land owner, because they were a member of the influential upper class in a province or country, plus, they stay with the property. The land owner has to voluntarily give up those rights.
Also, generally, properties that border on a stream, lake or river, the high water mark is the property boundary, not the waters edge on any particular day.
Anyway, I'd go and get a copy of his deed to find out for sure and if there is nothing written in his deed saying he owns out to where he says he does, then fish there whenever you want.
This is basically from memory. I worked at NB dept natural resources for 35 years dealing with private and Crown land.
I've fished most of the Chi but in a kayak. Had to explain to some folks that their right is the river bed not the water on top. As long as I don't get out of my kayak or anchor they can't stop you from fishing. DNR backed me on it with one crazy fella on the US owned side of the 66 pool.
Most lakes and rivers the bank of the river or lake is owned by either a river authority or core of engineers. Usually excludes property owners up to a certain distance from the shoreline. If they build a dock they lease that dock spot from the entity but not the water.
Natural waterways change with the tide, but there's always that one person who thinks they know the law.
I’ll send everyone that I know to fish there...
Can i bring my Jet Ski too?
Yes!
Need to have a tournament ASAP at that particular property! 🤣
You handled it well. I don’t get people having issues with outdoor activities.
Handled it well, but I'd never acknowledged the guy or spoke with him. Force mister Muscles into the next move
Have you noticed. His hand was on his piece. The whole time .he is up to something. Might be cooking. Tons of meth .call the cops on him lol
In Helen GA there is the same problem and I never got to the bottom of it . I was wading and ran into signs that said I could go no further . I would leave and go further down the road and then I could re enter the river or stream . There was also and out fit that was a trout guide service and they owned a stretch of the river for guide service fishing only .
If we are not careful the rich will own every thing . Sounds like England in the old days !!!!!!
I used to own a cabin 5 miles south of Helen. I worked at the Shaft back in the early 90s. I fished the Chatt from the headwaters above town down to below Sautee Natoochee all the time. That is pure BS as it is a river. They own to the water line not into the river. No one can own the river even if they own property on both sides. No one can stop you from using the river or banks, and even in town, under the bridge and down river, not even some tubing outfit!
Even the spot where they filmed Smokey and the Bandit! Some old woman that owns a house close to that spot tried to tell me I could not fish there. I told her to call the game warden or the county or city as I knew them all being a bouncer and resident and having been married to a retired Wardens daughter. She did, but they told her on the phone she was wrong and she actually came out and apologized to me.
Check with the state about some company or residents owning a section of the Chattoochee or any river and get the truth not BS from fools!
Yes some big city duwad came in and bought a park that kids had used for decades to go wade the river he started charging people and restricted all travel then got all crappy about it. I think it was for sale or sold last I knew. He was an asshole and didn't understand the navigable river laws and apparently the local sheriff and neighbors didn't either
NO one owns a stretch of river. All waterways navigable by boat are public.
@@rolloverriderpgr We can all get narky at times, but ignorance of the Law is no excuse is there for a reason. It's to her credit that she came back out and apologized for HER misunderstanding. Good citizenry. We need more of it.
@@stormysocks Yeah unfortunately ON LAND, times do move on and 'progress' happens and sometimes even 'access' is built on. I would have gone out of my way to 'educate' the Sheriff, politely with chapter and verse. Sometimes things only get 'straightened' out when its in a Court in front of a Judge who DOES know the Law, but if citizens and Sherrif's know it, all the better and the hell of a lot cheaper.
As a cop, I can suggest that you should call the local law enforcement. They may not know as much about the rights of home owners but they would have made him nervous about confronting you. He looks like body builder or something and I believe he wanted you to start a fight. Let him know that you are filming him and if necessary, you call the police.
The guy was waiting for a drug delivery. 🇬🇧👍🏻
He can build a dock out that far. He doesn't own the water only his dock.
He can own the land UNDER the water in some states.
But if you have legal access to the water as long as you don't stand on the bottom you are ok and I'll fish all around the pillars of the dock
@@chuckcassel5417 well, this guy is standing in the water...SO in some states he is TRESSPASSING....Damn are you blind and deaf? he says MULTIPLE times he is WADING...
What stupid ass States let you own land under the water??? Seems dumb! What purpose is that supposed to serve?
Now I dont know how wide that river is, but according to him if he owns 500 ft into the river and the dude across the river must own his 500 ft, must mean the land owners control the whole river.
Best thing to do is to check the subdivision plat at the county clerk's office. That will confirm if he in fact owns 400' of river.
I have seen houses like that, but there are signs posted on both land and waterway stating such.
You handled that great. Made for a great educational video on how to deal with assholes.
Subdivision plat? LMFAO...Riparian laws are WAYYYY BIGGER than a plat, chief.
In Kansas, generally the only river open to the public navigation or wading is the Kansas River or the Missouri river that borders KS. Stretches of other rivers located within public wildlife areas are open as well, but all other rivers and creeks in KS are owned to the center divide of the water by the land owners bordering the water body. You cannot trespass on the land OR water without the owners permission. You cannot fish off roadway bridges either. Maybe this guy came from such a state and "thinks" he owns part of the river?
IM COMING FROM BOCA RATON JUST FISH BEHHIND THHAT GUYS YARD EVERY DAY
Woohoo I'm there with ya and also going to hold a wading and kayak event there every weekend...lol
LET ME KNOW FOR SURE
LOL
I'll bring the Hooters girls
The guy obviously is not a Floridian ? You did great I fish a lot and i was born in Ft Liquordale I probably would have lost it and made sure he called the cops this guy does not know the laws. He is just harassing a angler and it’s against the law,& any navigable waterway is public waters and I would told him to go check his plat on his property and he would most likely find out that he only owns land to the mean high tide line. Technically if you were in a boat you can pull up there on the shore and get out and walk up and down that beach fishing from the shore and as long as you’re not disturbing the peace,trashing or anything like that there’s not a damn thing he can do about you being there. And you should contact wildlife authority to let them know he’s harassing anglers so they go notify him of the law! Good job!
You kept cooler than I would have! I have zero tolerance for ignorance
i would check with local laws i have seen where a lease or deed has included a set amount of waterway rights
Here it's 2 meters to the waterline is private, however I've never heard of it considered private on the water on navigable waterways.
Anytime you happen upon a situation like that, I believe that the police or fish n game should have been called. Home owners that have the false sense of entitlement are a nuisance and dangerous. This home owner wasn’t too bad, he just tried to run you off. But without being corrected, but someone with authority he will believe, what if next time he comes down with a gun? How far will a misinformed self entitled home owner go to defend property he has no legal claim to? You came across a ticking bomb and just left it for the next person to deal with. You spoke well, cordial and non-threatening, and were the perfect person to attempt to deescalate and educate this guy. You should have called police, continue fishing, wait for police, then discuss the concern with them and the home owner. Next time the home owner confronts someone what if it’s a couple of teens, who are likely a bit cocky and less level headed than you. That situation could get nasty. As a fellow fisherman, I would have made it my responsibility to get him educated, or receive the education myself if I was wrong. No different than cleaning up other people’s trash they leave, yes it’s a nuisance but if I don’t clean it up who will?
What if that darwinian idiot comes at you with a gun. Natural selection sir.
correct, my understanding is a property owner can own the land up to the High water mark of normal mean tide, not to include the water.
Good comment.
Better to call fish n game
As you're in Florida the rule is on a tidal water they own to the high water mark, which you can see by all the flotsam in the background of this video!!! What is this guy on??? AND you absolutely did the right thing by being coo and non confrontational!
You handled it well, but I would’ve had him go ahead and call the cops.
I've been in many confrontations since FauVID broke out.
This dude handled this incredible
Some states allow ownership into the water, others do not. Many countries do not allow ownership of a strip of land next to all water courses, making all water fishable from shore, such as Canada and New Zealand!
Here in Washington when you but waterfront property you own the tidelands as well. But you don't own the water.
I would have told him to piss off.
“You’re welcome to call whatever authorities you like, Mister. Good luck with that!”
Typical non sportsman trying to tell a sportsman what the deal is. Simply put most hunters and fishermen KNOW the laws as they read the license booklets. Non hunters and fishermen usually have no reason to read that material. Often times to educate, one must force the issue with "harassment laws".
That guy is nuts .You did the right thing .I would have told him to go ahead and call the cops .I think he would have found out he was wrong .The water is public Access
Homeowners on waterfront property need to obtain special permits to build a dock or pier out into the water. Meaning they obtained permission to extend their pier out that far. The dudes pier probably extends 500 ft out...he just mistaken over what he actually owns.
I would not said a word to him i would have just kept fishing.
I was in disbelief that he claimed he had never seen anyone there cause I've fished that area 100 times.Thanks for watching😎🙏
@@IndianRiverPescador Plus as stated before, it looked like he was just a roid monster looking for a scrap. His posturing clearly showed this. YOU did the right thing.
Please carry and conceal a firearm. Never trust a person who truly thinks you have entered/trespassed into their "home". They will feel perfectly justified in harming you to any extreme.
You calmed that guy down, significantly, with your demeanor and manners. However, he was making verbal and nonverbal cues that he was ready to escalate this quickly. I think you handled this perfectly.
In the state I live in if it is a navigable body of water and is not surrounded by landowners property with no public access the landowner owns up to 5ft. From high water mark.
In Montana, the property owner owns the land below the water. So if you beach your boat or wade , you can be held accountable for trespassing! Your water craft has to be able to drift thru.
I would've called him a nut and have him call the cops
I've never understood people like that, I'm guessing he doesn't fish...your in the right as others have said....you handled that well...I'm curious what if anything he would say if you were in a kayak or boat ...
Charles Hudson I dunno I will let you know after the wade and kayak event Im going to host in front of there...lol😂😂