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  • čas přidán 27. 04. 2017
  • A presentation of specific characteristics of good and bad Medieval armour and Roman armour.
    Link to my mail armour video
    • Mail Armour: Where To ...
    An armour (spelled armor in the US) is a protective covering that is used to prevent damage from being inflicted to an object, individual, or vehicle by weapons or projectiles, usually during combat, or from damage caused by a potentially dangerous environment or action.
    The word "armour" began to appear in the Middle Ages as a derivative of Old French. It is dated from 1297 as a "mail, defensive covering worn in combat". The word originates from the Old French armure, itself derived from the Latin armatura meaning "arms and/or equipment", with the root armare meaning "arms or gear".
    Armour has been used throughout recorded history. It has been made from a variety of materials, beginning with rudimentary leather protection and evolving through mail and metal plate into today's modern composites.
    Significant factors in the development of armour include the economic and technological necessities of its production. For instance, plate armour first appeared in Medieval Europe when water-powered trip hammers made the formation of plates faster and cheaper.
    Well-known armour types in European history include the lorica hamata, lorica squamata, and the lorica segmentata of the Roman legions, the mail hauberk of the early medieval age, and the full steel plate harness worn by later medieval and renaissance knights, and breast and back plates worn by heavy cavalry in several European countries until the first year of World War I (1914-15). The samurai warriors of feudal Japan utilised many types of armour for hundreds of years up to the 19th century.
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Komentáře • 714

  • @SultanOfAwesomeness
    @SultanOfAwesomeness Před 7 lety +1609

    Easy way of how to tell:
    Have your best friend hack at you with a sword while wearing armor in question.
    If you are still alive, congratulations! It works fine.
    If you instead find that you are dead, the armor did not work as intended, and you should immediately demand a refund.

    • @SultanOfAwesomeness
      @SultanOfAwesomeness Před 7 lety +5

      +Gam'ekfa Toc Duujek Prancing Bull (Veyraa vol Ceyrsilde)
      Unsurprisingly this is probably one of my favorite artists of all time.

    • @gerythionargarys7848
      @gerythionargarys7848 Před 7 lety

      I bet.

    • @egeoeris
      @egeoeris Před 7 lety +16

      Why my best friend wants to hack at me? Othello isn't that kind of person

    • @SultanOfAwesomeness
      @SultanOfAwesomeness Před 7 lety +41

      +Ser Ravinger Bare
      "If it's stupid and works, it's not stupid"
      --some dead dude

    • @PyroGobbo
      @PyroGobbo Před 7 lety +11

      Don't forget to test with a 50 BMG. You wouldn't want your armor to be weak to bullets do you ?

  • @StuffStuffing
    @StuffStuffing Před 7 lety +1233

    "Good Armour VS Bad Armour - How To Tell Them Apart"
    That's easy, just look at their stats.

    • @benito2056
      @benito2056 Před 7 lety +19

      I found this Armor called he-man its special ability is weeeb destroyer and it has 69420 defense

    • @aberinox
      @aberinox Před 6 lety +14

      Reznx tss it's nothing, i've got a pommel that have 230'000 dmg. Oh wait, wrong channel xD

    • @randyedward5314
      @randyedward5314 Před 6 lety

      Stuff Stuffings lol

    • @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
      @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 Před 6 lety +6

      Which is better? A Dragonplate Armor or a Daedric Armor?

    • @broccoco7974
      @broccoco7974 Před 6 lety +1

      Granite or rune?

  • @ahtikai
    @ahtikai Před 7 lety +481

    the cheapest re-enactment would be some celtic tribes: go to battle with a sword and shield - naked

    • @lazorkat
      @lazorkat Před 7 lety +24

      I would aim for celtic chieftan re-enactment personaly :) With beautiful bronze sword and montefortino with crest on top.

    • @joshuastarkloff9602
      @joshuastarkloff9602 Před 7 lety +33

      And spike your hair up, and wear blue paint as well.

    • @lazorkat
      @lazorkat Před 7 lety +3

      Well firstly my hair wouldn't hold spiked xD and secondly I would wear a helmet :D
      But yeah I would definetely paint myself!

    • @oldgoblin7312
      @oldgoblin7312 Před 5 lety

      I hope you are joking... cant tell...

    • @Pynaegan
      @Pynaegan Před 5 lety +7

      Well.....that sounds like the character for me.
      My outta shape 49 year old "bare" ass …?
      Everyone on the battlefield is gonna *RUN LIKE HELL* !
      (or die laughing)

  • @GCurl
    @GCurl Před 7 lety +795

    In 2000 years there will be CZcams channels discussing about historically accurate military uniforms from the 21st century! XD

    • @alinalexandru2466
      @alinalexandru2466 Před 7 lety +70

      GermanCurl In 2000 years people will probably even forget about Earth.

    • @user-bl4oq7fd8d
      @user-bl4oq7fd8d Před 7 lety +33

      GermanCurl
      Because we live as cavemen again?

    • @tornagh9200
      @tornagh9200 Před 7 lety +154

      and people will over-analyze call of duty and debate about the techniques seen in it.

    • @livingbiovirus
      @livingbiovirus Před 7 lety +7

      FUCKYOURSELF GOOGLE I Will go in the future and slap that persone in the face

    • @sethr.c1065
      @sethr.c1065 Před 7 lety +31

      GermanCurl I've always wondered how that really will be, as this is arguably the second century with fully reliable records. They only started measuring global temperature in the 1800s. Is the distortion of history still just as potent with extensive, detailed, and accurate records? Rather than a few hundred freelance tapestries, and half destroyed remains, we have multitudes of government documents stored in servers and file cabinets.

  • @Mode-Selektor
    @Mode-Selektor Před 7 lety +746

    Metatron, I think I speak for everyone here when I say that it has been a pleasure watching your channel grow, your ability as a content creator grow, and your hair grow.

    • @arazeth5562
      @arazeth5562 Před 7 lety

      BangGlorious I can agree.

    • @Ninchennase
      @Ninchennase Před 7 lety

      Yes, yes, and yes!

    • @bookknight
      @bookknight Před 7 lety +12

      I think Metaton will become world famous one day and I wish him good luck He's my favorite youtuber

    • @mivapusa
      @mivapusa Před 7 lety

      fucking Hel yes

    • @EEYore-py1bf
      @EEYore-py1bf Před 6 lety +1

      +Michiko Hamasaki His hair is more immersive now, he looks so Roman

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 Před 7 lety +111

    Why isn't anyone interested in Brigandines? They were pretty common and they are cool. If you can't afford a suit of plate armour, that would be a decent alternative.

    • @GeeBarone
      @GeeBarone Před 7 lety +35

      Unfortunately due to the difference in economies, good brigandines are actually sometimes *more* expensive than cuirasses of the same quality.

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 Před 7 lety +15

      I'm pretty sure that it would be easier to make a semi-decent brigandine yourself, with limited tools and expertise. You need leather, steel and some tools for cutting and rivetting (brass will do).
      If it came to sculpt a breastplate yourself and heat-treat it, then most would have to give up.
      Honestly, it something that would be tempting to give it a try. However, for a good quality brigandine, you would need to shape the plates, which would allow you to use bigger plates, while keeping a good fit.

    • @TheWampam
      @TheWampam Před 7 lety +3

      Because they look boring.

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 Před 7 lety +12

      Look at the witcher: Selkirks armour, Feline-armour...
      With a bright colour gambesson and died leather, they can really look fancy.

    • @TheWampam
      @TheWampam Před 7 lety +3

      But they still are in danger of looking like studded leather.

  • @gideonroberts885
    @gideonroberts885 Před 7 lety +453

    oh my god this video is so sexist all he talks about is mail armor

  • @tornagh9200
    @tornagh9200 Před 7 lety +106

    "If you're not sure about your size you should go for a little bit bigger" I think that's where codpieces come from.

  • @KingFluffs
    @KingFluffs Před 7 lety +38

    Here's an easy way.
    If you're wearing bad armour and in battle, you wont have to worry about it for long.

  • @Slammigon
    @Slammigon Před 7 lety +375

    11:50 Translated: "Let's do a little break, because I need to show off" jk :P

    • @HyperGnome
      @HyperGnome Před 7 lety +119

      7 languages, daily videos, massive historical knowledge, practice martial arts, plays bethoveen on Piano.
      Anybody thinking Metatron is actually really a demi god ?

    • @Plankensen
      @Plankensen Před 7 lety +58

      A renaissance man through and through apparently.

    • @HyperGnome
      @HyperGnome Před 7 lety +60

      I believe the only thing he fucks is the fabric of space time to have the time to do all that he does.

    • @Kar4ever3
      @Kar4ever3 Před 7 lety +13

      Everything is possible when you're under the influence of the 3 P's. Pizza, pasta and por.........ridge.... yeah... porridge...

    • @kingsaul754
      @kingsaul754 Před 7 lety

      Metatron is the voice of god!

  • @matthagen67
    @matthagen67 Před 7 lety +92

    Have game creators ever consulted you on the production of any historical or medieval fantasy game? I think they definitely should!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +41

      unfortunately no, I don't think I'm famous enough for that :D

    • @mr.coffeeguy2853
      @mr.coffeeguy2853 Před 7 lety +5

      Metatron they should. I may ask a few things once I get around to making a series or game.

    • @sushanalone
      @sushanalone Před 7 lety +6

      And i find some of your arguments unconvincing and shaky in evidence, but i do so because i am a sceptical person. Try adding references to what you consulted, or make a website where you put up photographs of treaties you researched so you can refer to them and share, that creates credibility and credibility will invite lazy film casters like flies to shit, i mean honey. ;P
      Otherwise its somewhat informed fun chat and hearsay, not a work of knowledge.

    • @MrVvulf
      @MrVvulf Před 7 lety +9

      I'm not trying to insult Metatron, but gaming companies would be better served by true experts in medieval armor like Tobias Capwell (curator of the Wallace colletction) or Ian LaSpina of Knyght Errant yt channel.

    • @ivanharlokin
      @ivanharlokin Před 7 lety +2

      +MrVvulf: Cant agree enough with this. Both Tobias Capwell and Ian LaSpina are far more knowledgeable on the subject.

  • @JETWTF
    @JETWTF Před 7 lety +68

    As someone who is very familiar with game animations and character modeling... metal armor bending and twisting is due to one reason. Money. It is more expensive to rig plate armor to animations made for the body naked/clothed body than it is to just rig it the same as a naked/clothed body. Character models/armor/clothing are all done the same way and all use the same animations. There is a "skeleton" they are vertice weighted to and the skeleton has bones. These skeletons and bones are generic representations of our real skeletons. Lets take a breastplate for example... or the torso of a person. You will have a pelvis bone where your pelvis is then 2-3 or more spine bones that connect to a neck bone So for example you have Pelvis_01 as the center point for your skeleton and it is In the center of the character models pelvis. Above that is Spine_01, on the character model it is around belly button high. For the character model and rigging generically the vertices directly between those two bones should be weighted equally to both of them and the vertices closer to a bone should be weighted more towards that bone. So if Spine_01 and Pelvis_01 twisted in opposite directions equally the model will deform accordingly with the vertices weighted to each equally not moving and the ones weighted more for one bone following that bone more. Add 2 more spine bones to the skeleton and rig the basic character model to it and you can get the bending and twisting one sees in a game. For armor though it would need to be weighted to just one spine bone for the whole piece and that my friends is going to create clipping if the animation is to look natural or all unique animations to prevent clipping.
    So choice here, either all new animations for armor or magic bendy metal? Clipping is unacceptable because it would be at every single joint and making the models so that isn't an issue requires more time and testing each animation, new animations for armor are not exactly cheap, Fem Shep in Mass Effect 3 had the same running animation as Male Shep and both of them used armored running animations even if you were running about on the Citadel in civilian clothes. Animations are expensive to create and AAA titles will reuse animations in the hopes that nobody notices. Bendy metal or spend hours adjusting a model to not be bendy or pay for new animations? Bendy metal all the way because it is the cheapest choice and most game players either don't notice or they expect it and accept it.

    • @TheWampam
      @TheWampam Před 7 lety +9

      It is not making double animations but that you would have to make a complete collision/physic model to get armour without either clipping or bending. Mass Effect has those weird stiff animations many people dislike to hide it, while other games use ridiculously thick armour to hide clipping somehow.

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Před 7 lety +9

      Although sometimes it looks like the devs are taking the piss.
      Looking at you Skyrim female Steel Plate Armor.

    • @matteussilvestre8583
      @matteussilvestre8583 Před 7 lety +2

      Visions of Dark Souls 2 Havel's Leggings...
      Seriously, wtf is going on with the ankles?

    • @JETWTF
      @JETWTF Před 7 lety +3

      The physics/collision model is usually part of the skeleton with rare cases for unusual shaped items like wings or oversized pauldrons used by just one armor. The full skeleton is also usually separate from the model and used together when loaded in the game.
      As for Skyrims plate armor they rigged it just like the nude body model just the same as they did for all armor and clothing. I believe they used a Skin Wrap modifier in 3DS Max and cleaned up any clipping after. That skeleton has 3 spine bones and a pelvis that all effect twisting and bending of the torso and they are weighted to all 4 bones rather than skip the middle spine bone so twisting and bending is less dramatic and the most would be at the belt on the model.

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Před 7 lety +2

      The problem isn't that it's bendy, it's that it's a skintight steel catsuit.

  • @spineyrequiem
    @spineyrequiem Před 7 lety +17

    If you're doing 11th-13th Century I'd strongly recommend getting a good nasal helmet, you can see, hear and breathe much better than in a great helm, even if it isn't fitted to you, and you can use it for the whole period while great helms changed significantly (no full-faces at all before the 12th, backplates before the mid-13th, change in shape over the course of the 14th).

  • @oddish2253
    @oddish2253 Před 7 lety +61

    My shaman gave me a magic armor so i charged the brits.
    I died.

    • @bbdawise
      @bbdawise Před 7 lety +20

      If they didn't paint crazy patterns on your body with blue woad paint, then you got ripped off m8!
      RIP

    • @matteussilvestre8583
      @matteussilvestre8583 Před 7 lety +4

      Blue is lucky!

    • @johnfraire6931
      @johnfraire6931 Před 7 lety

      Matteus Silvestre
      Shoulda just went with purple to be sneaky an cunnin
      or is it cunnin an sneaky...
      (Am I getting my Ork colors right?)

    • @WhatIsThatThingDoing
      @WhatIsThatThingDoing Před 2 lety

      @@johnfraire6931 It workz coz da blue makez you smarta an' da red makez ya go fasta.

  • @lancerd4934
    @lancerd4934 Před 7 lety +4

    The best thing about buying maille that's too big is that if you're handy you can tailor it to the shape of your body like the real thing would be. You can tailor something smaller, but it's really hard to make it bigger, plus you'll have some bits left over you might be able to use or put aside for repairs.

    • @johnbishop9621
      @johnbishop9621 Před rokem

      Imprecise, you just have to find the breastplate stretcher

  • @CatholicismRules
    @CatholicismRules Před 7 lety +120

    *sigh...* But Metatron, armor is a disadvantage for SO many reasons. Didn't you read that article?
    By the way, you saying, "Hello Elizabeth", "Hello John", threw me off a little. My sister's name is Elizabeth, my real name is John. Are you watching me? Is that you in the bushes out th- wait no, that's just the neighborhood hobo.

    • @TheBloofyx
      @TheBloofyx Před 7 lety +36

      What if metatron is an immortal hobo who has been watching humans for his entire life which is why he knows so much about rome ?
      *Because he's an italian right*

    • @CatholicismRules
      @CatholicismRules Před 7 lety +26

      That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've.. ever... wait a minute, what you say.. it- it makes sense! That's the only way he could possibly know so much about Rome! Maybe he found the pasta of youth.

    • @robotzombienazy
      @robotzombienazy Před 7 lety +1

      But pasta wasn't introduced to Italy until long after the fall of the Roman empire, so he's most likely just a boring mortal like the rest of us.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 Před 7 lety +4

      he could be a highlander

    • @ineffablemars
      @ineffablemars Před 7 lety

      they're incredibly common names

  • @yausingchan
    @yausingchan Před 7 lety +57

    My gold cloth is pretty good, but I am 243 years old shrunk into an old man with purple skin. Still waiting for Athena's call, so I can wear it again.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +5

      My hair is almost as long as you pupil's hair old man :D

    • @yausingchan
      @yausingchan Před 7 lety +1

      My pupil brought me noodles years ago. Now bring me some Pasta and I will each you my skill.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +2

      Ok but I want the green armour :3

    • @yausingchan
      @yausingchan Před 7 lety +1

      Sure, he got poke in the eyes and taken his armour off all the time. He wouldn't mine you borrow it, so he can show off his tattoo. I understand no one would want mine, who want to carry 12 weapons all the time but never allow to use them.

  • @jonpru82
    @jonpru82 Před 7 lety +5

    As a fan of early medieval Europe, particularly Scandinavia, it has been a pleasure to stumble across your channel. As a Norse reenactor and SCA heavy fighter; I've taken immense delight in your debunking videos, as they address many of my own irritations with cinema and misconceptions of armor and historic combat. History is a constant learning experience, so thank you for you input and subject matter expertise.

  • @handyhippie6548
    @handyhippie6548 Před 7 lety +14

    historian, linguist, teacher, musician, warrior, gamer. is there anything you cannot do well?

  • @LecherousLizard
    @LecherousLizard Před 6 lety +8

    14:07
    >Goat *skin
    Are you saying an entire goat wouldn't work?
    HOLD MY BEER

  • @SliceyMcBreadmaker
    @SliceyMcBreadmaker Před 7 lety +35

    Metatron, Raf, mate, I know you said you love learning and whatnot but my GOD where did you get the drive to learn several languages, goddamn PIANO, history of multiple countries and whatever other interests you haven't revealed to us yet? I find that truly incredible as someone who barely has the drive to get out of bed and record, you're a goddamn inspiration

  • @idtgc1945
    @idtgc1945 Před 6 lety +30

    Does a decent suit of armor need to be able to take a pommel throw, should your opponent decide to end you rightly, or is that just pure overkill?

    • @penumbraaeterna1140
      @penumbraaeterna1140 Před 6 lety +3

      I feel like Skallagrim would enjoy the "end them rightly" reference on a Metatron video.

    • @nicholaspeterman9111
      @nicholaspeterman9111 Před 6 lety +1

      BladeAddict Suit of armor is not proper terminology. It is a Victorian-era anachronism.

    • @jasonscott8844
      @jasonscott8844 Před 3 lety +1

      I think the only personal armour that could survive a righteous pommel ending is a tiger tank. And then only from the front.

  • @wyattw9727
    @wyattw9727 Před 7 lety +1

    Segmentata was really some brilliant stuff. The Romans stumbled into mass produced steel armor in an age of largely iron armor, the outside of the bands was turned into steel from heat treatment while the inside of the bands was made up of softer iron. This allowed them to flex more and absorb blows. Shame logistics kneecapped its production and prevent it from spreading.

  • @gallyun3363
    @gallyun3363 Před 7 lety +36

    i went to my local grocery store and found what said traditional Italian pizza, it was completely covered in cheese, pepperoni, and dear God pineapple.

  • @voswouter87
    @voswouter87 Před 6 lety +3

    I heard the dome on the belly is also to have a cushion of air.
    So that when you're hit in the belly, the armor has space to bend and push back before it hits your belly.
    So in a way, your whole armor is pushing back against the attack, instead of just he part where you're hit.

  • @jonathangardner6868
    @jonathangardner6868 Před 7 lety +2

    I know I am late Metatron Sensei. But I love your historical explanation videos.
    I am also very much in love with your piano performances! Please keep playing music for us! Maybe even if you record enough music, use some for background music for a video? :)

  • @noob13589
    @noob13589 Před 7 lety +17

    It would be hard to fit a goat between my shoulder and the armor.

  • @SwitchFeathers
    @SwitchFeathers Před 7 lety +3

    I'm a budding collector of 15th and 16th century European armour, and videos like this are very useful. I can't afford the best stuff around, being on a shoestring budget and all, but knowing what to look for means I know what sort of shapes, patterns and materials.
    I currently own a 15th century armet helmet, made by Windlass. I love it and it, thankfully, fits me perfectly. But it's worth mentioning that a friend of mine tried it on and found his head was too big for it, so I struck lucky there.
    My next investment is a pair of gauntlets (15th century gothic articulated with plated fingers and a few personal modifications) but this time I'm having them made custom by an armourer and fitted to my exact measurements. Had to measure every single joint of my fingers! (Both circumference and length!)
    I'll be purchasing a cuirass after that, again from a custom armourer. Some advice for people like me: You can get custom tailored plate at lower prices if you go for mild steel and thinner gauges, as opposed to stainless steel or tool steel. My helmet is 18 gauge mild steel and was fairly cheap for the kind of helmet it is. Just be aware that these will, of course, compromise functionality, so keep in mind what you want to use the armour for!
    Great video by the way, Metatron.

  • @Gabdube
    @Gabdube Před 6 lety +1

    Mail without padding doesn't protect you much against penetration, btw. The gambeson was the main thing that made a suit of mail near-impervious to arrows. War bows at the time could sometimes penetrate the mail, but not the gambeson. Without the gambeson, the arrows that the mail did stop could just drag your mail into your own skin. The wound would be less likely to be lethal, but you'll still bleed and risk infection.

  • @ryandeschenes5810
    @ryandeschenes5810 Před 7 lety +7

    Properly tailored mail with historically accurate rings/patterns can actually be FAR MORE expensive than a suit of plate armor.
    When getting into re-enactment or historic interpretation, start with soft kit, and ignore everything else. If it's made out of the proper materials/hand sewing/no cut corners, it's still going to be EXTREMELY PRICEY.
    Save up for hard kit later.

    • @mickjenner6697
      @mickjenner6697 Před 5 lety +1

      Maybe now, but back then how do you think they managed to make all that plate, plate that was the same thickness and temper , all these geniuses never get into how all this plate was made , any idea how much a power roller has to squeeze on metal to turn it to plate , that's why male armour over a padded gambon would work better and easier to fix

  • @lupinthethird7059
    @lupinthethird7059 Před 4 lety +2

    "Always have to oil your armor after each use"
    *chuckles in corazzina*

  • @GrappleDenNYC
    @GrappleDenNYC Před 7 lety +2

    Great point about daily maintenance of armour and equipment. I feel this is something most people overlook or forget about.

  • @TheJoeyboots
    @TheJoeyboots Před 7 lety

    This is why experimental archaeology is important. Nothing finds out what it was actually like back then till you live and perform tasks the same. Informative and insightful.

  • @StrangeJimi
    @StrangeJimi Před 4 lety +1

    That piano playing was very impressive! A man of many talents!

  • @darrylrsd
    @darrylrsd Před 7 lety +2

    this guy is awesome he speaks many languages, plays piano, has swords and armor at his home and knows how to use them.

  • @ODST104
    @ODST104 Před 7 lety +1

    Man, I know that you're all about that Roman and Japanese stuff but you explain things very well and if you see my comment and choose to listen to it, I'd love to see a thing about what we know if Irish armor from Celtic times going into post Celtic.

  • @bishop1412
    @bishop1412 Před 7 lety +11

    How do you do your intro? One second you're not on the screen, and the next, there you are! It's amazing, really.

  • @someonesilence3731
    @someonesilence3731 Před 7 lety +20

    Language , History , Martial Arts , Music is there anything the Metatron isn't good at?

    • @bbdawise
      @bbdawise Před 7 lety +12

      I doubt he's as good at being lazy as I am!

    • @someonesilence3731
      @someonesilence3731 Před 7 lety +1

      lol

    • @numbers9to0
      @numbers9to0 Před 7 lety +2

      _cough_ having the right light conditions for his camera and color corection of his clips. You asked... don't look at me...
      :)

    • @prasedomaci9264
      @prasedomaci9264 Před 7 lety +1

      Juggling with chainsaw, two living tarantulas and a rotten pineapple maybe?

    • @baronvonkek8467
      @baronvonkek8467 Před 7 lety +2

      Don't forget roasting feminists.

  • @vishnu79
    @vishnu79 Před 7 lety +2

    Metatron, I want to thank you a lot for these videos. I do light contact re-enactment as a Teutonic crusader (circa late 12th century) and am considering starting on a decent set of light contact Legionary armor and gear and want to thank you for the information you have given me here and elsewhere especially regarding how to distinguish good (functional) armor from bad.

  • @ephagon
    @ephagon Před 7 lety +4

    I enjoy the random humor that exists on this channel!

  • @salavat294
    @salavat294 Před 5 lety +1

    A suit is a suit. Whether it is made from fabric or steel, tailoring is the difference between a fine suit or a horse blanket, and suit of armour or an iron maiden. The only difference between armourer and a bespoke tailor is the medium in which they work.

  • @hedgetwentyfour2708
    @hedgetwentyfour2708 Před 7 lety +6

    How about this type of video for the Japanese armour? I already know most of the finer details of European armour from knight errant and dr Capwell, but I can't seem to find an equivalent source for the Japanese armours.

  • @sompret
    @sompret Před 7 lety +201

    "It's fantasy, we don't need any realism." ~ Every dimwitted fantasy purist ever

    • @TheBlackfall234
      @TheBlackfall234 Před 7 lety +23

      although i think realism is good and fun, you dont ALWAYS need to be realistic at all. Going full Fantasy without caring can be fun too

    • @sompret
      @sompret Před 7 lety

      +TheBlackfall234 Asura's Wrath fills that role for me very well, because "fuck you, my punches can break your dumb space finger". It's when I get stopped from expanding Elder Scrolls for the aforementioned reasons is when I start wanting to break something or someone. They're probably the same people that are fatally allergic to the idea of crossing over Elder Scrolls and Fallout.

    • @SomeGuyNamedLex
      @SomeGuyNamedLex Před 7 lety +9

      Joshua Madoc Wait. Why the fuck would we cross over Elder Scrolls and Fallout?

    • @sompret
      @sompret Před 7 lety +3

      +Lex Betty Because I read a manga series where the JSDF went to a fantasy world and fought against a quasi-Roman fantasy empire, and I've been craving a similar crossover with Fallout and Elder Scrolls, and 9 times out of 10, I've been met with torches and pitchforks. Even though I can just make the attempt myself, and there's no stopping me putting up my attempts anywhere that's meant to get people's attention, barring what the Steven Universe lunatics tried to do with Zami.

    • @SomeGuyNamedLex
      @SomeGuyNamedLex Před 7 lety +8

      Joshua Madoc If you are simply suggesting a "Portal-to-Another-Dimension"-type scenario, as a fan of both series, I don't see a problem.

  • @jarlbregadan914
    @jarlbregadan914 Před 7 lety

    I'm loving the piano sections. Good technique, good tempo, good expression. It sounds great, man!

  • @marcionphilologos5367
    @marcionphilologos5367 Před 7 lety

    Some remarks: 1. in antiquity were iron breastplates used with on it glued leather or linen!!! 2. the harnas/ full suit of armor was developed in 1360aC and came to full development and quality around 1420.

  • @conscriptreporting6265
    @conscriptreporting6265 Před 7 lety +5

    Good armor works fine vs ordinary weapons. UNLESS U USE A FUCKING DRAGONSLAYER

  • @Funsox
    @Funsox Před 7 lety

    I'm glad you specified that the padding is goat skin and not just padding your armour with goats, because I was thinking that stuffing a goat under chainmail was going to be an issue. It would be an issue getting it to stay still and killing it would get blood all in the armour. Not very pleasant.

  • @AlexGunMetal
    @AlexGunMetal Před 6 lety +1

    I always wondered how the Roman general muscled torax works. If you look at Augus statue, for example, his armor goes all the way down to his belly. Maybe it's because the Roman emperoe doesn't need to bend:)

  • @KanaiIle
    @KanaiIle Před 7 lety

    Ease of maintenance is, in my eyes, the biggest advantage mail has over plate (and hamata over segmentata). Mail just maintaines itself with use, and damage can easily be rapaired with spare rings (or even some wire in emergencies). That and, well, mail is usually a lot easier and quicker to put on. If I was t re-acquire my current armor kit from zero, I´d definitely go for mail instead of the partial plate I have now.

  • @callHardmoor
    @callHardmoor Před 7 lety +1

    Metatron is probably the only CZcamsr that puts cool random stuff in his videos.

  • @thebigbrzezinski3201
    @thebigbrzezinski3201 Před 7 lety +1

    "[Armour maintenance] was imperative."
    That's some really strong Latin pun voodoo there.

  • @notsogreatsword1607
    @notsogreatsword1607 Před 6 lety

    Wow you are truly a renaissance man! Lovely playing. You should perhaps just have a second channel dedicated to music? Just you casually playing and talking about different pieces and the history behind them. Or just play as upload it!

  • @Goldenleyend
    @Goldenleyend Před 7 lety

    I love those spontaneous into-camera transitions, it makes the video even more entertaining

  • @bjorncopperside4572
    @bjorncopperside4572 Před 2 lety

    wow those piano skills caught me off guard, awesome.

  • @reignorshine.
    @reignorshine. Před 7 lety +1

    great video Mr Tron.! greetings from Nicaragua .

  • @Mr.WarwickBot
    @Mr.WarwickBot Před 7 lety +1

    also you should do a most practical armor in a SHTF situation. i know you did it for historical armors but did you consider modern body armor and if not does it change your perspective at all. i love marital arts and the history behind it all so i collect weapons and armor.

  • @WilliamMerzlak
    @WilliamMerzlak Před 5 lety

    You can also use a microcrystalline wax like renaissance wax. I try to get 14 or 16 gauge mild steel that's been tempered and heat treated. Springsteel is the best in my opinion but armorers will charge an arm and a leg for using that kind of steel. Look at places like Steel Mastery or ArmorySmith for some really high quality custom reproductions that are also HMB ready. But always make sure you start with a proper gambeson. It's absolutely vital for the comfort and fit of your armor. A quality set with all the items needed. Including the chausses, belt, sword, shield, pouches, rondel, gloves, shoes. Everything, usually will run around $3500.00 to $5000.00 for a quality set.

  • @valhallaviking7054
    @valhallaviking7054 Před 7 lety +37

    metatron pls say some freaky shit to me in latin AND would you ever do a LATE rome/Byzantium soldiers equipment?

    • @valhallaviking7054
      @valhallaviking7054 Před 7 lety +1

      also in describing the shape of the European chest plate I believe crescent works splendidly

    • @RyanRyzzo
      @RyanRyzzo Před 7 lety +1

      yeah, late Roman equipment does tend to get ignored.

    • @valhallaviking7054
      @valhallaviking7054 Před 7 lety +1

      and it would make for such an interesting and expansive video or two

    • @shun2240
      @shun2240 Před 7 lety

      ValhallaViking go search varangian guards and you will get your answer

    • @croatianwarmaster7872
      @croatianwarmaster7872 Před 7 lety

      I like how Byzantines had so much armor,9th century Cataphracts were fully clad in steel only the eyes were exposed,the horses were also fully clad in armor while Franks wore a mail shirt and open faced helmet.

  • @l0rdzi0n
    @l0rdzi0n Před 7 lety

    Loved the music break. Really enjoying your content more and more. Keep it up my friend.

  • @Cliffepoos
    @Cliffepoos Před 7 lety

    This problem happened regularly with police hard "turtle" style armour. Sitting in the car used to almost garrotte you. Then it was changed to a softer style with trauma plates. Heavier, but much better to wear for 8 to 12 hours every day.

  • @pinjohnston3706
    @pinjohnston3706 Před 7 lety

    Every time I watch one of your videos, it puts a smile on my face!

  • @loveyourwaifu1035
    @loveyourwaifu1035 Před 6 lety

    European chest plate also are never supposed to touch your chest because if someone smashed it using a mace or a weapon with a lot of blunt force it would smack the plate in to your chest and possibly brake it (even a gambeson would not absorb all the energy)

  • @ryufu23
    @ryufu23 Před 7 lety

    It feels so weird, this video coming out at the exact time I contacted a Roman legion renacment group about joining in on the fun... Great video by the way.

  • @matheusmterra
    @matheusmterra Před 6 lety +1

    Is it allowed in re-enactment to use modern steel of higher quality than what was possible at the historical time?

  • @1johnnygunn
    @1johnnygunn Před 7 lety +1

    a video on a coat of plates, from fit & build to usage? possibly comparison to modern body armor?

  • @mrnicomedes
    @mrnicomedes Před 7 lety

    Wanted to like a second time after your comment about maintenance being an integral part of the re-enactment. Plus, armor is a sizable investment; it only makes sense to give it due care.

  • @robertbogan225
    @robertbogan225 Před 5 lety

    Bruce campbell has a permant scar on his chin for exactly this reason 4:13 during filming "army of darkness" while wearing some armor it stabed him in the chin during some stunts where he got knocked down and rolled around.

  • @nicktrueman224
    @nicktrueman224 Před měsícem

    If only people realized how easy but work intensive say lorica is also a flat top great helm.
    You can make it yourself and do a good job and I can't stress enough measure 3 times before cutting or drilling.
    And making parts too big so you can cut it down to size but you can't put it back on so always be generous

  • @Ygdrasil18
    @Ygdrasil18 Před 7 lety

    For me who started for years ago in very young age. I started with the civilian version of the 12th cent. I started with pants and doublets and shoes and belts and thibgs like that. When I discovered the joy of HEMA I was going to a Gambeson/ Aketon and then a good helmet. So I advanced my armour over the years. Making a personal chainmail. Which toon me a lot of time, but was totally worth it. And now after years I am a proud owner of a well and tight fitting late 15th century armour. Alla tedesca. Because I really love the german culture in armour but love the italian elements in it. So to everyone who wants to get kn this theme. It will cost you time, it will cost you a lot of money and it will cost you a lot of pain and a long way if progress. Start low and then you can raise.

  • @artillerypainting1544
    @artillerypainting1544 Před 4 lety +1

    Well theres something I´ve been asking myself for quite some time. If armor was that expensive and well made to measure it must have lastet you quite some time if being well loked after. So would you just throw it away after youve grown too old for it or died? I imagine in noble families of lower status they would`ve reused armor and optimized it. like changing parts, reshaping bits etc. I`ve been working on an early 15th century gothic suit of armor and not having the biggest budget I often went for cheaper or even second hand bits. Then I took them apart to the last rivet, and did exactly that, changing parts moving rivets etc all using authentic medieval techniques. Now it fits as if it was made to measure and it didn`t took that much skill. Some people must have done it at some point. I can`t imagine such an expensive craftmanship was just being used for one generation. Is there any evidence for that?

  • @mohutchmo9591
    @mohutchmo9591 Před 7 lety +2

    "A brief break" when he could have just edited

  • @jojobloodraven
    @jojobloodraven Před 6 lety

    Mainly mail armour is the best phrase i’ve ever heard.

  • @ryandeschenes5810
    @ryandeschenes5810 Před 7 lety

    The armor at 2:27 belongs to Tobias Capwell (Sides) and Ian LaSpina (Center) respectively.

  • @Lostazzol
    @Lostazzol Před 7 lety

    Hai pubblicato questo video il giorno del mio compleanno! Grazie per il regalo!

  • @rasiabsgamingcorner2258

    Great video I'm so happy your channel is growing at such a rapid rate

  • @youthoughtwrong6225
    @youthoughtwrong6225 Před 7 lety +1

    he sholud do a video on how to properly take care of armor

  • @Poldovico
    @Poldovico Před 7 lety

    14:06 And the image of a Roman legionary with a bleating goat under his pauldrons will never leave my brain.

  • @hugehappygrin
    @hugehappygrin Před 7 lety

    when you asked the rhetorical question of how do you know that the armor that dwarf was wearing was fake, I thought hm...it could be that his crotch isn't protected, he's got metal gauntlets, pauldrons(which don't protect his neck), and metal boots. The problem is that he's not as protected as he could be, and his face is unprotected. I sure learn a lot from you, Shadversity, Lindybeige, and Scholagladiatore. Good job. :)

  • @An2oine
    @An2oine Před 6 lety

    Whoa whoa whoa! You make videos but can play piano like that? That was a breath of fresh air.

  • @mazingdaddid
    @mazingdaddid Před 7 lety

    thank you metatron. I am a Roman reenactor in lorica segmentata and this is great info for me. thank you!!!

  • @Niko-rt3wi
    @Niko-rt3wi Před 7 lety +4

    hey metatron, how realistic/accurate do you think the movie "sword of the stranger" is? i'd like to see you talk about it, because its one of my favorite movies, and you're my go-to channel for historical movies/armor/weapons/tactics etc!

    • @Niko-rt3wi
      @Niko-rt3wi Před 7 lety +1

      ItsjustAvy same! thats why I asked metatron!

  • @CaymenV
    @CaymenV Před 3 lety

    You won me over with your appreciation for classical music!!!!

  • @docrmc
    @docrmc Před 7 lety

    I like the musical interlude. Nice touch.

  • @akoponen
    @akoponen Před 7 lety +1

    Any thoughts on the historical likelihood and prevalence of glued linen armor, so-called "Linothorax"? And if used, what advantages and disadvantages compared to the same number of sewed together layers?

  • @OasisTypeZaku
    @OasisTypeZaku Před 8 měsíci

    I wonder why they quit going to full surcoats when full plate armor came into vogue. It could have been a practical omission considering that the surcoat could get bound up in the plates.
    It could be that they began to see it as another garment that could get caught by opponents and used to disable the knight.
    I figure the more crap you have on you, the more weight and oppotunities you give your opponent to get one over on you. Keep that to a minimum.

  • @JonnesTT
    @JonnesTT Před 7 lety +4

    Hey Metatron,
    I am writing a not magic heavy fantasy story both for a Novel and a Blog and I'd like to know what I have to pay special attention to when designing armors?
    I am fairly confident with my armor design rules, but it would be nice if someone like you may brainstorm this topic. Maybe (most certainly) some author hobbyists can learn something from you to make their stories better.

    • @Ruarscampbell
      @Ruarscampbell Před 7 lety

      JonnesTT You talking about plate armour? or armour in general?

    • @JonnesTT
      @JonnesTT Před 7 lety +1

      @Ruarscampbell Armour in general

  • @roomtwelve1950
    @roomtwelve1950 Před 7 lety

    I learnt heaps the video was nice and easy to understand loved it

  • @foxhoundr3364
    @foxhoundr3364 Před 7 lety

    Thanks mate! Love your vids

  • @pumbar
    @pumbar Před 7 lety

    Very good video Metatron. Thank you.

  • @SmilyaceStudios
    @SmilyaceStudios Před 7 lety +1

    What about the hellenic torso plate for the romans?

  • @nesra8786
    @nesra8786 Před 7 lety

    Indeed impressive information, the editing is top notch too!

  • @FredCheckers
    @FredCheckers Před 7 lety

    The term "globose" has been used to describe the shape of breastplates. Specifically the globose coat of plates, which has a segmented, domed breastplate.

  • @joni7fi
    @joni7fi Před 7 lety +2

    Thank you Metatron for the information shower, appreciate it!

  • @Mondverg
    @Mondverg Před 7 lety

    Best part: Piano!! I couldn't see it complete. Did he play that piano with his segmentata? haha :D

  • @HippieInHeart
    @HippieInHeart Před 5 lety

    another problem with neglected maintenance: it's a huge waste of money. especially properly made plate armour costs a lot, as you have already said (and of course, while there are other kinds of armour that cost less, they still do cost a substantial amount of money). if you're just gonna buy it and then leave it laying around in the corner and not take proper care with regular maintenance, it would probably be better to just not buy armour and instead put the money in your pockets, go on the street and give it to some hobos (sorry, i don't remember the polite english word for people who live on the streets).

  • @WilderManize
    @WilderManize Před 3 lety

    haha i loved the bit with the piano, very nice!

  • @RocketHarry865
    @RocketHarry865 Před 7 lety

    I wonder how could important men at arms be able to distinguish each other on a 15th century battlefield following the abandonment of both the Surcoat and Shields meaning they could no longer display any form of coat of arms

  • @ABaumstumpf
    @ABaumstumpf Před 7 lety

    Somehow when first listening to 14:07 i heard "rabbit-skin, you can do it with *GOLD* " and i thought "Yeah, Gold will work".

  • @autokrator_
    @autokrator_ Před 7 lety

    You have earned a new subscribed. Good video!

  • @alexanderbryant7666
    @alexanderbryant7666 Před 7 lety

    Hey, as a follow up to this, could you do a video of buying good armor? Maybe use a 11th century suit, and a 15th century suit for comparison and show how you would go about buying either and what would be a good price?