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- Marcellus Wiley and Emmanuel Acho react to Asante Samuel saying Bill Belichick is 'just another coach without Tom Brady.' Hear why Marcellus believes 'Everybody deserves criticism, but everyone doesn’t deserve loaded criticism. Belichick is the GOAT of all coaches.'
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Brady was a 6th rounder for a reason the Patriots coaching staff made him a starting QB in the NFL & his offensive line & TE , WR made him look great back wen he was very mediocre he wasnt great till the last 5-6 years
@@jrox1904 "WR made him look great back "
When you saw Pats receivers wide open, did it ever occur to your pea brain that it was because Brady threw the ball a fraction of a second quicker?
@@williamli6200 no because he always under threw so they never cought in stride , they actually had to stop & wait kus he couldnt threw deep thats why he threw to the TE more genius.. he turned what would be touchdown passes into 30 yard gains kus wen WR slow down to wait for the ball they lose momentum & let the corner catch up if it wasnt for bills play calling they wouldnt be so wide open so often & he wouldnt complete a high percentage of does passes - try watching his first 8 years bruh there is a reason he was a 6th round draft pick
You can’t ignore that record prior to Brady playing his first game as a patriot. It is amazing that exactly the moment Brady gets his chance is when they went on that run
Lest ye not forget Brady watched bledsoe like Rodgers did farve.
@@derf1311 Rodgers watched Fabre for years, Brady watched Bledsoe for a few games, very very different
@@Enonymous99 very good point
@@Enonymous99 No Brady held a clipboard for a season.
@@derf1311 watched him run that 5 and 11 lols. Good one
(IMO) This was the best debate on a sports show ever. What made it the best was; they both made some valid points, they both were entertaining while making there points, and just as important they didn’t interrupt each other.
You mustve just started watching this show, this is a daily basis lol
@@LghTsKnJames yeah that was my first time watching those two together. But it won’t be my last. Thank you for letting me know that they’re always on point like this.
Lol this is absolutely the exact same way I felt when I first watched these guys it was a breath of fresh air.. and it’s coming from guys that played the game at that level. I love it.
Accurate
Neither tow the company line and are given the room to express themselves
It's funny; a year ago everyone was saying it was Brady that was 'just another quarterback without Bill.'
Yeah, 2 years ago when he left for Tampa Bay but then he won a Super Bowl in his first year. That was all Tom and look at what Belichick has done since Tom left.
Right
You cant sit up there and take all tom brady credit, qb is the most important position in the game, qbs are the actually the ones that put in that work, coaches can coach up all the qbs that doesnt mean that that individual qb is going to live up that stardom, Tom brady as a individual put that work in
So does bill tho he studies the game just as much if not more than Brady
@@Ededdneddy9 "So does bill tho he studies the game just as much"
I guess that is why his defense was a PAPER TIGER defense that couldn't be relied on to win 2 playoff games and routinely collapsed in playoff.
@@williamli6200 bill doesn’t play lmaoo he calls plays and relies on the players executing I don’t even like him but stop blaming every defensive mistake on him like he’s out there missing tackles 😂
@@Ededdneddy9 How many big games (AFCCG and SB) did Pats play with Brady? over 20. How often did it collapses?
2002 SB against Rams (Brady saved him); 2004 SB against Panthers (Brady saved him); 2007 AFCCG against Colts; 2008 SB against Giants; 2012 SB against Giants; 2015 SB against Seahawks (Brady’s 28 points and Pete Carrol saved him); 2018 SB against Eagles; 2019 AFCCG against Chiefs (Brady saved him).
@@williamli6200 I never said Brady wasn’t great, he’s came up big time and time again I just don’t think it’s fair to blame the coach on every defensive mistake instead of the players
Acho was 🔥 this segment. Eloquently put.
Wiley CONVENIENTLY forgot that Belichick had the GREATEST defensive player of ALL-TIME on his defense in NY. Don't make it seem like he took a bunch of nobodies and worked magic
The greatest football player of all time, is LT
Lmao all greatest defensive teams have studs on them and leaders like Polamalu, Ray Lewis, LT ect that don't mean he was a great DC just shade for no reason like Wiley said
@@professorxaviour3649 deion sanders
@@sierrasymone7590 Stop it
@@sierrasymone7590 🤣😂🤣
I never thought about that. 🤔 Acho on to something. B/c With Brady, bill is a Super Bowl winning “head coach “6x and without em he isn’t. Bruce arians is a Super Bowl winning head coach with Brady and w/o him he isn’t‼️
Brady won the Super Bowl with an extremely stacked team surrounding him. Something he never did in New England because New England is never stacked with huge star players. Which is why Bill got rid of him. He is useless without superstars and Bill is not a man to pay all of those superstars big money. Bill will win more than Brady. Belichick made Brady just like he made multiple other players who were late rounders or undrafted.
That's all you need to know. Brady makes Sb winners out of great DC and OC.
Brady went to a stacked team in Tampa, he even admitted that's why he went there
@@DV-lr8ec Stacked team of losers with the 32 th ranked secondary. Brady made winners out of them. The owner said it himself after the SB : It only took one man : Tom Brady!
Just like with Patrick and Andy 🤷🏾♂️
EXACTLY Acho regarding the other QB'S.
Tom Brady is the MOST INTERNALLY DRIVEN & SELF MOTIVATED Player in NFL HISTORY .... Belichick had nothing to do with that.
Ok, ya…he really pulled himself out of the depths of poverty to make it…
@@DRoyale1 what does that have to do with his comment?
In history? LOL…Tom is the greatest QB but there are plenty of players with that motivation and drive they just don’t play the spot light QB position
Go look at top 10 defense since 99 and you a see why Brady was so confident
@@melvinhenderson7169 I'm well aware of that but you're forgetting that a GREAT Offense helps'tge defense. ESPECIALLY a GREAT Ball Control Offense that with BRADY SELDOM turned the ball over.
bill as head coach without tom 48% wins with Tom 78% it is simple math
It's a little more complex then that
@@datruthhurts3984 Actually it's not.. Now there are ways to spin and maneuver around those percentages and they are not an absolute certainty to prove one's value as opposed to non value but I crunched some numbers myself and there is absolutely no doubt it was Brady and not Bill who contributed to the vast majority of The Pats success
Yes lemme look at a percentage and base it off that.
So for the last 20 years they had a top 5 d, top 5 o line, best special teams and the least penalized team over the last 20 years....thays all coaching because players come and go...and Brady ain't on half the time...
@@rohitdhir2071 and when Brady left suddenly they were no longer disciplined...
Suddenly Buccaneers who were LAST in penalties in 2019...
The Bucs finished 1st in penalties in 2020...
Seems to me Brady teaches discipline better than Belichick
Real life Lebowski that’s not true. You’re not accounting for the leadership Tom had around him that Belichik kept on the team. And Tom openly says that mentorship from people like Willie Mcginist, Ty Law, etc is what helped him become great. And how do you think Tom learned how to break down so many defenses. They helped each other.
If your anti Brady comments involve not starting at Michigan it means you didn't do your research, go listen to Coach Carr talk about it... he said it was a huge mistake and that they were worried about losing a young QB named Drew Henson.... also go look at the games that he came in and saved over and over for Michigan...
BB drafted and groomed Brady. It wasn't Lloyd Carr. This revisionist history that Brady came into the league with his hair on fire shredding teams, is hilarious to me. His first 2 seasons were relatively bumpy. He had 18 TDs and 12 INTs in 2001. The Ds and STs won most of the Patriots SBs. BB made Brady and he'll make the hardworking Jones as well.
@@afmartin2734 "groomed Brady"
*Look away from intended receivers AFTER SNAP to FOOL defenders for a fraction of a second.*
Did you see any other Pats QB doing it? stop the clueless BS, OK?
@@afmartin2734 "The Ds and STs won most of the Patriots SBs. "
Idiot, check which drives Brady threw 145 yards and 8 first downs in 2002 SB.
What Brady did in 2001 season was to *keep couple of more drives alive each game* and on average 3-10 more points each game, *that was about 100 more points in 16 games,* which turned Pats around, and got first round bye.
D won most of SB? what an idiotic comment!!! Without top offense, would Pats get first round bye? Without 24+ in back to back playoff games with the cheap squad, Which SB would Pats win?
@@williamli6200 lmao
@@cliffpaul2483 Pats TEAM needed Brady to produce top offense for 1st round bye, and scored 24 or more in back to back to playoff games to have a chance winning SB, with the cheap squad given by Belichick. Besides, Pats TEAM often needed Brady to stay on field for long long time or deliver winning drives in last 2 minutes.
Do you know how hard it is to scored 24 or more in back to back to playoff games? Check how often Peyton, Rodgers and Brees were able to do it and how much talents they needed to do it. BTW, Rodgers never scored 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games. (Did Peyton ever do it?)
Acho got this one!
No he does not. You can’t compare BB with TB. One was developed by the other. Who came first and groomed the other with the best supporting cast to reach his potential? Who orchestrated the team and system philosophy? Despite Brady reaching his high ceiling, he isn’t this version of himself if he went anywhere else besides New England.
Yeah, he does.
Acho SMASHED Cell.....was going to post this same thing but I got beat
@@TheHighlanderprime exactly and when Tom Brady was hurt in 2008 they went 11 and 5 with Matt cassel and 2019 they had a significantly easier schedule than in 2020 not to mention with cam Newton who came late and played well until contracting COVID. And it was bill belichick’s defense that kept the rams high powered offense one of the best offenses that year to 3 points in the Super Bowl. A case can be made on either side but bill belichick definitely isn’t just a regular coach without Tom Brady.
@@Void11207 when has he proved that he's more without TB12?
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Except he did win the starting role at Michigan. The only reason he had to compete for it was nepotism. Usually i disagree with him, but I’ve made the same argument on without Brady The same team went 5-11 and the 17-0 pats dropped to 11-5
These 2 GUYS are BEASTS, love them, 2 smart and intelligent guys, second best DUO on the sportvtv
Nice, who got as the first best DUO? (Guessing skip and Shannon?)…
@@lionel8554 duh 😂 look at the numbers clearly drip and Shay better for one these two were NOTHING in the league achos charm and Wiley hate is what drives this show
THIS is how you debate without berating and insulting each other! First Take should take notes on this!
The GOAT GIVETH AND TAKETH
right 😏
This is the way
They're not talking about Pat Mahomes.
@@hitek9too255 lmao. Patrica mahomes is a victim of the GOATs wrath. Patricia not worthy to be called such things. He hasn’t earned it. He has been owned and tagged by the GOAT
@@SteveSmith-br3vu GOATS don't lose to Eli Manning TWICE once with an undefeated superteam and to a backup quarterback!
Wiley just shot himself in the foot with that last statement. If Bill needs a stacked team and a great QB to win SB…then it’s exactly like Bill said himself, “great players win games, but bad coaches lose them.”
Let's not pretend that Brady didn't bring Gronk and AD to Tampa who already had a stacked team. Brady used the Patriots offense to win games that he wasn't winning early with Bruce Aryans.
@@raymondford8919 Let not pretend Brady didn’t join a new team with a new system during a pandemic with no preseason or OTAs and still won a SB going through Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes.
So changing your system to benefit what your QB does best is a bad thing now? Every team does that. I don’t recall Belichick taking many deep shot in NE…whereas Brady just led the league in deep throws this year…wonder who system that is?
Gronk aside from blocking wasn’t really a factor until the SB. AB joined mid season and I can’t remember a game in which he was a factor. Now this season I expect AB to be significantly better.
@@KH33ZY69 Who were the two guys on the Bucs that scored during the SB? AB and Gronk. The guys Brady was familiar with from NE. Not all the plethora of talent that was already in Tampa.
Bruce didn't change the system for Jameis, he changed it after fighting with Brady and throwing Tom under the bus when they were not playing well. Brady brought Bellicheks winning system to Tampa and won.
@@raymondford8919 LOL "Belichik's" system that seems to follow Brady around but that Bill hasn't been able to replicate before or after Brady. Yes, the head coach with sub 500 record without Brady has a "winning" system. Right.
Bro had the greatest defensive player in nfl history as a coordinator lol let's relax
and they were allowed to literally cut QB's in half in those days.
That is?
@@dirkdiggler5581 LT
LT lol
@@kidmillion5540 GEN Z?
Samuels owes Beli and Brady a chip... How dare you he say anything after dropping that pick... That missed pick should require a lifetime mute.
Was right in his hands too. Eli threw it right to him. Funny how 1 fck up play cud go from 19-0 to 18-1
Bro Wes welker missed the open pass in the red zone. Wide open.!! That cost them the super bowl.!
Belichick failed in that game too....
Everyone forgets because it's Belichick "and he can do no wrong. "
In the 3rd qtr the Patriots were winning 7-3... Brady drove them into field goal range at the 31.... it was 4th and 13 at the opponent 31... so a 49 yard field goal attempt was coming, he decided on favor of going for 4th and 13.... against the best pass defense the NFL has seen in QUITE a while!!!
He opted for 4th and 13!! In field goal range!!!
If he kicks it, and we make it.. which is more likely than missing...
We go up 7...
Probably win the game... instead they get a late TD to win by 3.....
If the 49ers were to had Tom Brady. Gold heads are a dynasty all over agian.
The Bucs have arguably the best roster that's ever existed in the NFL...
@@eddienash2095 That's why Jamies won a couple of rings with them.
@@eddienash2095 Looooooooool. They were a perenially losing team and all of a sudden To joins them and now they're "the best roster in NFL history." Even thought everyone picked them not to get to the playoffs or to lose every playoff game. GTFOH
@@kyrogero615 Bro, they're so dishonest
@@HGsoul4ever That's how these Brady haters think. They never thought about the Bucs before Brady went there.
I just enjoy hearing you men debating...anything, thank for making a sports focused show worth watching!
No politics just straight sports that’s why I love it too
Speak For Yourself has become one of the best shows on TV….
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I swear !!!
"...a nasty sandwich I don't even want to touch!" NIIIIIIIICE, Mr. Wiley! You guys are the best at "clever" debating.
I don't know why this is even a debate. Belichick without Brady, he's below 500, never sniffed the super bowl. Tom Brady without Belichick, he's already a super bowl champion. Sometimes the answer is not that difficult. Tom Brady is the Patriot way, and now it's the Tompa Bay's way.
Like some stuff is just that simple. Like how can we not see that writing on the wall. That team won six seven games last year without Tom brady. And I'm a die hard Patriots fan I say we get rid of bill belichick. Because obviously Tom Brady can still win super bowls. Because that's the first thing he did. And the first thing he's got Tom Brady after losing Tom Brady is going right back to a losing record. Is that simple
Debate Show you say? That... is how you do it. Professional, entertaining, solid points on both sides and much more. Great job!
For one of the FEW times, EVER, I absolutely agree with Acho!
And he was wrong wow
@@mackeyj2871 Only in your dreams....
@@mackeyj2871 Maybe you don't understand this: Belichick has been a head coach almost a decade without Tom Brady. In all of that time he has a LOSING record. Without Tom Brady, he's a below-average coach. FACT.
Samuels has no room to talk smack about anyone after costing the Patriots a perfect season.
Seriously man dropped a wide open ball
He actually can talk he was nfl player
@@melmadeoff Wio chickrd
He was also the reason for a scary super bowl defense,and left and still was a great player
Giants were a better team on that day. Even the last regular season they played should have gone the Giants way except for stripes calling it for New England.
This is the first video I have seen of these guys, just subscribed and turned on notifications, that´s how good this video is
Wiley took the L on this one.
18:50 is where he set da record str8
Nah Wiley won 🏆 can’t have rain without clouds bro they needed each other.
Acho straight omitted the fact that Tom got to hand pick his situation with a stacked team while Bill had to swallow the dead cap charges from Brady, AB and others last year. Now that he's past those dead cap charges, look what he did with all the cap space. To say that Bill had just as much of a chance to succeed as Tom did last year is absolutely laughable; it's apples and oranges.
👏👏👏👏👏 Acho for the win. I really like this style of debate. No yelling and talking over each other. Going through each other’s points like that, really good. More please.
NE had 8 players opt out last season. I'm surprised they did as well as they did.
and Im surprised Bucs won a superbowl despite being 7-9 prior season js
Beautiful suit Acho beautifully tailored my man.
Both these guys are awesome
Asante Samuel just burned his bridge with coach Bill with that straight shot.
He doesn't like him anyway because he cut him lol
The never was a bridge
2 years later you still feel the same way ?? Lol
Hey folks @Speak for Yourself…just wanted to give a 👌🏾on the editing of the videos.
They always end with a clever statement then the beat drops.
This was a great segment. That is all!
Now this is sports commentary...LOVED IT
Asante just speaking facts! No more no less.
Yeah, Samuel still isn't sore he dropped the ball in the SB and was told by BB he wasn't worth 12 million a year, which he wasn't. An ego can ruin someone. Samuel was shown the door.
@@afmartin2734 He's an ALL PRO and maybe HOF'er. He didn't say anything any other player from that team hasn't said.
Belichick had the GOAT on offense:Tom Brady
Defense:Lawrence Taylor
It's easy to win when you have the best players ever on your team.
Who wins without great players?
Great segment
Acho made the point.
Buccs before Tom Brady: 7-9
Pats after Tom Brady: 7-9
Bill the greatest but Tom Brady >>>>>>
Billy was a fool to let Brady walk literally over 35m dollars when tops were making 6 times that with no rings. That said Brady is at home with the BUCS look for him to pull 1 maybe 2 more titles before retiring as the goat.
They had no money to bring him back we good tho
I remember when I said could Bill win without Lawrence Taylor
Acho was on fire! Sharp, valid points.
love the breakdown. preach!
If Bills system is that great then why has there not been 1 coach that worked with him won anything?
Systems matter... This is the ultimate team sport.. of course quarterback deserve a ton of credit but at the same time you're probably only as good as your offensive line and your defense.
Yup. No way Brady is anything close to the GOAT if he'd been drafted by say, the Lions. There's a reason why most 1st round QB's don't become stars.
i said it for months but its official.this is the best sports debate show right now
Tom Brady is just another quarterback without himself.
lmao!! GOATs stay GOATs big fello, if its debatable than its not, Bill without Tom is not a Goat, he needs Tom for it while Tom alone is a GOAT through and through like Jordan and Bill Russell are GOATs without question..
Bill Bellichick is Gregg Popevich both need a GOAT to be great Tim Duncan and Tom Brady, only reason Tim couldnt win more title was that no one on the Spurs would stop some of Greggs crazy ideas like Craft stopped Bill
@@isaacdebeila8085 lol
@@primalrefleks lol its facts though
Marcellus is asking Emmanuel to give Belichick time. Sure, give him time to be exposed. Emmanuel enter this fight with his machine gun set to auto while Marcellus was shooting with (for the most part) blanks. Fellas, don't get it twisted, you can be cold blooded and still be a good or bad coach - they're not mutually exclusive. Phil Jackson was in his own way cold blooded.
Everything you just said
Acho lost tho and even based off his own argument he should've had a better career himself. But people mainly KNOW him from this🗣💯
@@thomaswood2418 exactly, he's measuring Bill on being perfect which no one is, he's completely overlooking who puts the whole team together, it's true Tom gets the credit but I submit if not for his defense NE loses its last three Superbowls
@@lastnamefirst637 "he's completely overlooking who puts the whole team together, "
Belidiot's free agency splurge proved that the reason Belidiot could build the team in a way no other coaches could was because he had Tom Brady. Without Brady, Belidiot has to build the team just like other coaches.
@@williamli6200 actually, that's a lie because coaches build teams different ways some though the draft some through a combination of both, and that's what free agency is for duh, last time I looked Tom didn't get Gilmore, draft Hightower, pluck undrafted rookies like Butler or J.C. off the wire, it's easy to be misinformed when you choice to
Before Brady Bellechick was just a well known defensive coordinator.
Two time Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator
@@tyrelllawless5117 Cleveland time? 1st year with the Patriots without Brady time? You see he was well know for those superbowls but wasn’t overrated because he didn’t do good anywhere else.
@@tyrelllawless5117 Bill Parcells was the master mind behind those Giant Defenses as was Lawrence Taylor..
Belichick was just a chump with a clip board..
I always thought this, finally everyone else sees it
These 2 are brilliant. 👍
I'm praying my pat's do good at least a Superbowl in the next couple seasons IF mac Jones play like he played in the preseason.
Preseason means nothing
Belicheck committed a great sin pushing Brady out of the door. The Chiefs are the gatekeepers in the afc now.
@@bradonchacon557 your missing the point and your not making sense.. If. your a RB, WR etc etc and you out perform the other players ON THE ROSTER during the PRESEASON....your chances of starting is high because you played so well during the PRESEASON.....IF MAC JONES PLAYS LIKE he PLAYED in the preseason. I see a superbowl in the next couple seasons.
We do know Bill won 2 superbowls with the Giants. He was able to bring the NE Patriots to a superbowl as a defensive coordinator and lost to Green Bay. So, he was involved with 3 superbowl before he ever was a head coach.
When Parcel gave him top offense (1986) or offense stayed on fields for long long long time, just like in Pats.
@delreydavid talent matters
@@williamli6200 Huh?
Yep only head coach in history to have 4 #1 first picks over-all as QB's - Kosar,Testerverdi,Bledsoe and Newton and be a complete disaster and under . 500 coach with them
Woefully under . 500 winning percentage %
@@BrotherApexx Yes, Belidiot had everything a DC could ask for under Parcel, won a SB in 1986 when Giants had top offense with a RB of 1500+ yards. In 1990 playoff, Giants offense stayed on field for 39 minutes in NFCCG and 40.5 minutes in SB.
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Belichick is a under 500 coach without Brady enough said and remember what don shula said bout belichick
Absolutely not enough said. Belichick has proven he can win without Brady. Brady gets hurt and Jimmy G gets in, they still win games. Jimmy gets hurt and Jacoby gets in, they still win games. Brady is great but they both needed each other.
@@randylouissaint1636 belichick needed Brady more and who to say Jimmy g would have work out no one knows that but what we do know is belichick is under 500 without Brady and didn't make the playoffs last year
@@randylouissaint1636 and most of those players were on the team before he got there in 2000 on defense and were good
@@alpharob6959 did you see last years team? Like come on. Its incredible that they got the record they did. And Nrady definitely needed belichick more. He’s had a top ten defense and special teams every super bowl that they won. And the three times he didn’t, guess what…Brady lost those ones. To the eagles and Giants twice.
@@randylouissaint1636 wait how did Brady lose those SB it was belichick defense that cost them those games especially vs philly his defense couldn't stop Foles a backup qb so I don't get what ur saying
Didn’t belichick the “great” d coordinator happen to have some dude called Lawrence Taylor - my pet penguin would have been a defensive master mind if it got LT 🤤 why no one brings this up?
Harry Carson hall of famer Carl Banks Leonard Marshall Jim Burt
What great hof coach didn’t have great/amazing players?
Pepper Johnson, and many more talented guys on defense.
Before Tom, Belichick was already known as an incredible defensive mind...having spear-headed the scheme that stopped the Bills. Belichick wasn't 'nothing' before Tom, he just hadn't become a successful Head Coach.
That having been said, when you can spend nearly every 1st round pick and most of your 2nd's on Defensive talent for 20 years, because your QB can cover up the holes and elevate the players you do give him, to higher levels. That does end up helping your teams overall defensive potential. Pretty sure the only 1st round pick the Patriots spent between 01 and 17 on offense was for Nate Solder the Left Tackle.
Still, his defensive gameplan for the Giants against the Bills is in the HoF for a reason, and it's not just because he's just another coach.
He never stopped Eli lol
@@daniell5740 or Foles
Bill threw Brady’s best game you could ask for.😑
"having spear-headed the scheme that stopped the Bills. "
You mean when Parcel's offense stayed on field for 40.5 minutes? and Belidiot's defense still gave Bills a chance to win?
Given that he had everything a DC could ask for in Giants, that is pathetic.
But a sorry head coach
Yes because let’s ignore him having parcels as his head coach and LT on his defense
Acho is killing it
But Garropollo got to the SB and choked are hard as he could. Though I hv to agree that there were some very very questionable officiating, however he didn’t finish. Oh and let’s not forget that one season with Moss was all it took for Brady to get a 50 TD season. So in the end, Belichick didn’t draft very well for Brady on offensive side of the ball while Brady was taking pay cut after pay cut.
Phil Jackson is so underrated without him there's no six rings for Jordan and no 5 ring for kobe
Zero lies
Unargueable FACTS!
Yea right Jordan was on his way regardless if Doug Collins was there they still win phil is highly overrated & so is Belechick!!
@@demariusstuckey1535 all I'm saying is facts I know when I bring up Jordan a lot of people get in their feelings so I understand but this is just facts
@@TheRealSoulGospeListic LOL you haven't met Jordan stans they argue with pure feelings
Its amazing how disrespectful people can be after One season during a Pandemic.
well you tell me this whats Bills record without Brady? cause its not a winning record for sure, dude nearly got rid of Brady before Brady won 3 of 4 titles thats doesnt sound like a genius to anyone and Bill forced Brady out got him no help which lead to Brady out, than Brady chooses a team and wins a SB without even getting preseason and OTAs so why wouldnt people question his greatness...
even the season with Cam they would have ended the season on zero wins without Cam caring the team cause they didnt even have the world class defence the Pats usually have cause 8 starters set out the season, but people only every talk about Cam missing the playoffs not mention he had no help on both sides of the floor while he over came repeating injury and was the first time Cam experienced playing healthy without pain from old injuries cause of the caring he did in Panthers
@@isaacdebeila8085 Bill don’t play football
@@chairmanoftheboard11 so why does he get credit for players winning games?
@@freepeople091 He gets credit for being the COACH he doesn’t get credit for impacting the game. He’s never won an MVP award.
He's not lying! Numbers don't lie
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Coming from a guy that drop a interception that could have seal the deal.
So when Tom Brady won 2 super bowls by throwing on 1 TD combined in both games, Bill had nothing to do with that? Or how about when they lost in 07 and scored only 14 points but the defense only gave up 17. Is that Bill's fault? In the first SB run, Brady had 1 TD throughout the ENTIRE PLAYOFFS. And in 2018, he won the Super Bowl throwing 2 TDs and 3 ints throughout the entire playoffs. People give Brady all the credit for coming back 28-3, but don't wanna bring up the fact that Bill's defense is what shutdown the Falcons and didn't give up another point. Bill ain't perfect, but to say he's just another coach is ridiculous. Samuel is just bitter about how things ended in NE and he still hasn't gotten over the fact that Bill didn't think he was worth the money he wanted.
You're one of the few people on earth with a functioning brain
Tell me the definition of greatness and show me Belichick's greatness.
Brady could have won more with Wade Phillips, Todd Bowles, Brian Billick,Tony Dungy, Mike Zimmer, Mike Shanahan, Matt Nagy, Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carrol, even Rex Ryan, because all of them would have given Brady a more decent and stable WR group.
you act like you need to throw touchdowns to score OR win games... every superbowl brady won with bill he had the GAME WINNING drive foh lol how did brady win a super bowl with bill giving up 28 points in a half? or should we bring up the seattle win where the defense almost choked the game away?
@@williamli6200 Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Julian Edleman, Chad Johnson, as well as Aaron Hernandez and Gronk isn't enough, huh?
@@williamli6200 more weapons and a worse offensive line….make it make sense. All the people you listed had QBs always under duress lol
This is how you argue a point.
I'm just glad My #1 Sport Show is back and I get to learn and think but most of all Laugh and not hearing people yell and scream about sports who have never even played in any organized sport in their. Plus you know what makes SFY Emmy Award Winner. Big Cell and Big Acho will say if their wrong or don't know and speak about real life
Best show …. Y’all better not split great show fasho
Acho is gonna leave one day....hes really starting to take off
Acho is decent. But Wiley has been terrible for years in my opinion lol
With Brady in 2008 they win 15 or 16 regular season games which is 4 or 5 more than the 11 - 5 they finished with.
But that’s also Matt Cassel bro dude is garbage
16:08 he doing the 69 gun sound effects xD
Brady was great mentally and work ethic coming out of college and the fire was lit before the patriots
This is the silliest debate that will never end. Great “individual” players don’t need great coaching to be great but they do need great coaching to create a great team to win great games. 20/20 hindsight says Brady is still a 7 time SB winner if he’s drafted to the lions but that’s for sure not a guarantee no more than Bill winning 6 without Tom. Both were great when it mattered and won 6 SBs and almost won 9. Both are great 🤷🏾♂️
"great coaching to create a great team to win great games."
China couldn’t make its own ballpoint pens, until 2017.
--- Despite being the world’s biggest manufacturer of ballpoint pens, making about 38 billion a year for consumers, China has been importing the stainless steel used to make the pens’ tips from Japan-at a cost of roughly $17.3 million a year.
*Brady was the one who "made pens' tips".*
There is nothing great about China’s ability of making pen bodies.
Good players do need good coaches to be great tho.
@@chrisrobinson8339 No, good players make it possible for coaches to do great things.
Lmao huh? Brady does not have seven rings if he’s drafted by the Lions bruh what? If Brady gets drafted by any other team his career would be a lot different Brady is great but let’s not act like he won those rings alone
@@rambooo2534 Pats before Brady took over were as bad as Lions.
Let’s stop with Brady couldn’t even with the job in college, because he did. He was up against the most hyped quarterback prospect in the history of college football and at every single turn outplayed him. Every one. The hype around Henson was the only reason he started or played before Tom
Thank you 😂
Total man crush on Marcellus. Emmanuel did better than usual but it was like a light weight having a great day against Ali. Gotta give him respect but even on his best day he was outclassed.
A free thinker….I know your politics:)
Great debate as always gentlemen! Hands down the best sports show around!
Was that team of no weapons Cam had last year not the same team TB12 went 12-4 2019🤔🤔🤔 somebody correct me
no Cam actually had better weapons than brady did the year before
Acho Brothers gettin it in
1 on fs1 the other 1 on espn 🥳💯
I thought that other guy sounded like Emmanuel!
Sam is way better
It's a team sport praising one man for everything is wrong
Best debate show on tv
There is one universal rule to being a good couple/partner/teammate.... dedicate yourself to making the other person BETTER. Beli and Tom created one another.
As much as you are right I have a felling that Tom would gave been Tom even with a different coach, while Belichick cannot do it without Tom as the stats indicate.
Wiley flip flops and contradicts himself week to week with Brady
TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAMWORK....THERE IS NO iiiii IN THE WORD TEAMMMM!!
Asante Samuel is correct and the data bears that out. Without Tom Brady Bill has a 40% winning and a 60% losing record. Bill will never go to another super bowl much less win one.
Samuel's just another cb with bricks for hands. Make the catch, 19-0 . Stevie wonder would have pulled that in 🤣
Bricks for hands? Not close... he led the NFL in interceptions 1 year... you can't do that with bad hands..
U tripping
cryyy
Asante, would you feel the same if you didn't drop the int in SB42? Don't be salty about moving on from you. Milloy, Ty, Vrabel, et al. Still beloved as Patriots all these years later.
I saw that potential 19-0 record. But that pass was a little high foe Asante to grab down
These two have the best debate's out of all the debate shows, hope they stay together
18:50 is where he set da record str8
Wiley is playing word games; Samuel never said he couldn't coach, what he said he was just a good coach.
You're wrong. He said just ANOTHER coach. He didn't even say good, which is even more disrespectful. Go back and read the tweet bruh🙄🤦🏾♂️👀
@@lets_play_a_game268 my bad, just "ANOTHER" coach but Wiley still misquoted him.
Bill Belichick had one winning season in Cleveland out of five
I agree with him.
Acho’s argument is reaching. Even a good coach requires a certain number of good players to be successful. Good players require good coaches and good teammates to be successful. MJ was always great, but he need Phil Jackson and Scotty to complete the job. Phil had MJ and Scotty and then Kobe and Shaq during his runs. Brady was out on the field making it happen but people forget that Belichick drew up all the plans.
Belichick didn’t draw up all the plans he had assistant coach’s and even Brady to help him with that
Well I mean just even from your opening statement. Even good coaches need great players. Which means your cousin really don't mean nothing unless you have a great player. Which is what Angel is saying. Like it's easy to look good and say you a great head coach cuz you had Tom Brady. It's easy to say that. And what make it so much easier to say he just another head coach cuz what's the first thing he did soon as Tom Brady left. That same team that Tom Brady struggle with with no weapons and no help the 12 and 4. And now that Tom Brady is gone all Tom Brady did was the first thing he did which was when the super bowl. And the first thing Bill belichick did when Tom Brady left was go back to being a losing head coach. Some stuff that's just that simple. He was a trash head coach before he got Tom brady. He got Tom Brady it became an all-time great coach. And then as soon as Tom Brady left back to losing records. I mean one plus one is two
Of course. Children agree with Acho. Adults agree with Wiley. Our country is so dumb.
"Good players require good coaches and good teammates to be successful."
Brady could have won more with Wade Phillips, Todd Bowles, Brian Billick,Tony Dungy, Mike Zimmer, Mike Shanahan, Matt Nagy, Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carrol, even Rex Ryan, because all of them would have given Brady a more decent and stable WR group.
How could you say Belichick drew up Bradys plans when Josh McDaniels was the OC all those years? Seems like you dont know much about football. Belichick brought in and coached great defensive teams which assisted in Toms greatness. But understand , Tom would have reached success without Belichick. Maybe not as many Superbowls bc he would not have so many top 10 defenses , but he would have his success nevertheless. Dont forget...Belicheck was fired from the Cleveland Browns for a reason
If Mac Jones turns into a bust or get's hurt - Bill will look like a fool and his job may be in jeopardy.
I hope so, Bill is an ungrateful d*ck.
Kraft wouldn't fire him. He's a made man.
Bill will be fine.
I can’t stop thinking about how many people does it take to help Acho take that jacket off. It’s like skinny jeans but a coat. He’s samurai sharp but dang. Lol
Belichick won 2 SB in NY because he had Lawrence Taylor. Taylor amongst many of the player admitted that at least 80% of the defensive plays were "off script" because of Taylor! Parcells constantly told Belichick to just "let them do their thing"...that's why Belichick hated Parcells and ultimately left. Brady was the patriots and is now the buccaneers
But when Max Kellerman asks "Who's a great coach?" He had no answer 😂😂
Well not the ones he’s played under, apparently
@@joemagarac405 he should have said that.
@@soda8736 That’s not what he ‘should’ have said. He said what he said.
@@BijinMCMXC he said what he said?? He didn't say anything lol Max asked a simple question. "Who's a great coach?"
His response was "I gotta do some research" lol
Asante is just saying what everyone already knows
Dude dropped a game winning interception against the giants in sb 42 he should keep his mouth shut dude was an average cornerback
@@arizonaFIREent average ? you bugging lol he was pro bowl caliber for multiple teams. the issue with samuel was that he was injured a decent amount & took too many coverage risks
@@arizonaFIREent Asante was top five dbs in the league in his prime. Belichek is overrated . Tom is the reason for all his success and it’s obvious.
@@arizonaFIREent Making multiple Pro Bowls even when he left the Patriots and picking off 10 ints a season isn't average.
Bill Belichick was the only guy smart enough in the LEAGUE to see SOMETHING about TB and make a MOVE to get him. I’m going to give him credit for that. But they had a strange relationship. I often thought throughout the years that BB didn’t give TB a consistent receiving core. 2021 is the year TB decided BB wasn’t as committed to winning as control or ego. I like Wiley but Acho is right on this one.
Brady and Bellicheck fed off and grew together. It’s was very equal efforts and outcomes!