Tesla FSD BETA 10.69.3 Finally Gets It
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00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Older Version Comparison
01:40 - Speed Control Improvements
03:07 - Vehicle Interactions
04:46 - Pedestrian Safety
06:17 - Unnecessary Slowdowns
06:59 - Disengagements
08:57 - Summary
09:37 - Win an S-APEX! - Věda a technologie
AI DRIVR Clips is the solution to my problem of uploading more quickly/frequently after new firmware releases. I plan on doing raw drives, timelapses, and shorts (with commentary, of course!)
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Nice idea - subscribed and turned on notifications anticipating v11 single-stack clips in the coming weeks!
hi there, i really want to ask did you ever facing the GPS drifting off problem? i get that problem everytime I drive and made the fsd beta unusable, do you have this problem?
''Mothersip''
I knew it.
His not human. ☺
Imagine two FSDs meeting in a pinchpoint, just stop and stare :D
Since they're driven by neural nets and not always and only explicit policy, one will likely make the first move.
😂😂😂
That's an easy fix, whoever has the higher or earlier model has right of way. I mean that's how tcas works sometimes
@@topethermohenes7658 Well, if they can talk to each other - they can probably both drive through at the same time.
@@SteveBakerIsHere yeah not always though, theres gonna be times where only 1 car can go through
I really, really, really can't wait for the first V11 video! With how much improvement we've seen from the first 10.x to the last 10.x, the jump to 11 will hopefully blow us away!
It will probably be a mixed bag where the old autopilot did some simple things better than the new FSD, like using the blinkers sanely. Will be great in a few updates.
Hey AI DRIVR! I'm from germany and i really NEVER comment on any videos, even on channels that i really love, but i just wanted to say thank you
Thank you so much for watching my videos and taking the time to leave such a wonderful comment! Really appreciate it :] have a great one Benjamin!
@@AIDRIVR wow thank you for replying to this person ❤️ can tell your a great human
These roads are absolutely crazy, FSD even attempting almost everything shown here is mind blowing to me
Thanks for pointing our the flaws. We've found similar issues, some more serve especially at higher speeds. We've had the car lock up the brakes at nearly 60MPH forcing the following car to maneuver off the road to avoid a rear end collision. You know what works when the cameras are blinded by the sun or at night? RADAR !
Impressive. Safety first especially around pedestrians. Great video!
I've watched a number of your videos now. I really do like seeing the advances in the AI and considering the reality of what looks like much safer roadways. But I just realized it's hearing you talk about safety, and patience, that really wins me over. Thank you for these videos, and *your* sense of safety.
Adding the ability to reverse would be a big change, because the neural net may decide to back up at any given point (we know how random Beta is at times), so the reversing capability needs to be trained very carefully
It's worth mentioning - that the AI could potentially drive in reverse just as easily as it can drive forwards...and since an electric car has no gearbox - it's theoretically capable of driving at 140mph in reverse (it's software limited - so it doesn't - but the AI could override those limits!). But there could come a time in the future where being able to drive at freeway speeds in reverse would be useful! 🙂
@@SteveBakerIsHere I doubt that. The forward facing cameras are more capable than the rear one. The rear camera wouldn't be able to handle high speed driving which requires long-distance cameras to predict the environment.
@@SteveBakerIsHere in a straight line yes (except for the aforementioned issue with the cameras) but having the steering axle at the rear really messes with your ability to steer (try driving in reverse at 20 mph and turning)
@@SteveBakerIsHere now you've got me imagining how all our roads and transportation would look like if cars could reverse just as fast
Reverse, with a trailer, around corners into a driveway entrance, why not? Otherwise how she replace humans?
Going to fast in residential areas with narrow streets has been one of the most consistent issues I've had with 10.69.2. Great to see that 10.69.3 improves upon it in that regard!
One problem with slowdowns in tight areas is that you're sitting in the left seat - and the AI is "sitting" in the middle of the car. That means that when YOU can see around a tight right-hand turn, it CANNOT...In playing with FSD beta myself - think a lot of the annoying slow-downs are like that - tight RIGHT HAND bends - and a lot of the seemingly reckless driving is on tight LEFT HAND bends - where you (the driver) can't see anything - but the AI can.
@@SteveBakerIsHere I've been wondering about that as well, and it's well possible that it can see a bit better around some of the turns than I can. But then again it can't see behind a parked car, and we frequently have children playing on the road in my neighborhood who could step on the street unexpectedly from behind a car and it still wants to go 25.
@@danielmewes Yeah - we place the steering wheel on the left side of the car in countries where we drive on the right - and on the right side of the car in places where we drive on the left. On a two lane road - that helps to keep the driver as close as possible to the center of the road - giving roughly equal visibility on left and right-hand corners. Placing Tesla's cameras on the back of the rearview mirror negates some of that benefit. But on a single lane road (or a wider road that's narrowed by parked cars) the problem is greatly magnified.
@@SteveBakerIsHere great explanation! I imagine having cameras on the left and right pillars facing forward would offer better turning experiences.
Also, I notice in a lot of right turns, esp on hilly two lane roads, FSD beta likes to get too close to the center line and in some cases crosses over. It frustrates me, especially when traffic is coming in the other lane. I don’t chance it and take control. Even if it would correct in time, it makes the oncoming traffic think I’m a bad driver. I don’t think it’s a matter of needing the pillar cameras to solve it but FSD needs to adjust better based on how sharp the corner is. It can use its side cameras to track how close it gets to the center line and adjust better. It’s my biggest complaint.
Love your videos! Thanks for the awesome commentary and pushing the FSD system hard in these complex driving environments. I am super impressed by the way FSD deals with VRU's. Being a cyclist myself, gives me hope for safer roads one day.
Looking forward to the clips channel! Thank you for your work.
0:45
It's me yay! I have never been in a CZcams video before, thanks.
Great video as always. On a side note I'm amazed to see narrow streets with no sidewalks (but space for parking cars!), forcing pedestrians to walk on the road. America is definitely the ultimate car world.
9:54 seat upholstery, impressive craftsmanship
Good idea making the clips channel. I like getting a good full impression of updates instead of rushed, but consistent, videos.
Great drive thru Berk hills, it's challenging for sure! I'd probably just drive it myself and not bother with FSD but I'm glad you are pushing FSD with this type of scenario. Cheers and drive safely.
Man, the amount of work that goes into these videos is huge. Props for continuing to produce high quality videos with consistency, keep it up!!
I don’t live in the Berkeley Hills, but I drive 1-2 times per month and definitely agree with all comments you’ve made. So, whenever I hear FSD testers talk about wanting Beta to accelerate and drive faster in iffy situations, I realize they live in relatively flat, less populated areas than many urban/suburban environments. FSD is getting much, much better, but it still has a long ways to go. Slow, steady and safe will definitely help win the Autonomous Driving race.
Thanks AIDRIVR for showing us more interesting test cases for FSD Beta on narrow roads. I don't get to test this with my FSD Beta due to geographical location. As long as there is no traffic behind me, I typically allow my M3 FSD Beta to complete all maneuvers. Good job. :) Signed up for the AIDRIVR clips.
Berkeley Hills?! Big ballz my friend (: thx for the great drive
My take is that FSD's perception & planning abilities are better than prior releases, but as it is a major update, they have set the "caution" threshold quite high. It will be relaxed and thus allowed to proceed more assertively with point releases -- or maybe even over-the-air parameter adjustment without an update.
I dont understand why some people think that you dont upload often enough, you upload a video every week
3rd time or more I've watch this vid. Most compelling FSD channel, I know all the best of the rest and they are good, high bar.
@7:11 I agree about the sunshine triggering the abandonment, however a slow creep when completely blind would not be my first choice. I think the FSD did the right thing since the options were all bad ones. Perhaps a complete stop BEFORE abandonment would have been more comfortable although it is not clear that this is exactly what the FSD DID do.
Brilliant once a again. The best UI for viewers of FSD-Beta videos from Beta testers.
Thanks for sharing.
At 6:45 I'll bet the reason for the stop/slow down was because of the orange reflectors on the utility pole. My car changes lanes EVERY TIME it sees orange anywhere close to the road. On my commute home there are some permanent orange PVC posts in the ground about 4 feet off of the road that mark buried utility lines. FSD beta changes lanes saying 'changing lanes to avoid obstructions' (or something of that sort) even if it cuts off a car overtaking in the left lane.
I’m watching all your video cause I’m loving the content, but yeah tbh I loved it when there was less cut overall and more sped up scenes as you can see the whole picture
Wow! Nice evaluation! Better than some of the easier routes other Beta Testers are taking to make it seem so perfect.
Im a Beta Tester as well.. FYI.
Thanks - love your work! G’day from Oz🇦🇺
These roads are like the UK.. can't wait!
Some nice houses around Berkeley hills ! Great video as usual
69.3 videos have been great. you keep getting better
It would be interesting to get a couple of FSD Teslas together and see how they react towards each other.
It would be great if there is an automated "wave" like the headlights flash for a second, to other teslas lol
Nice video, Just wondering why you don't put up a sign or some kind of decal let drivers know the car may be in auto pilot mode, just so they can temper their patience?
Great video that provides a good perspective on how good FSD is currently (come on V 11!). And I agree with you about needing to have the software perform more cautiously. People will only enable it if they perceive that it is using good judgement, and having it drive like someone needing to go to the potty will not help with this.
@ 6:53 while it didn't display the column on the right as a "human" it certainly looked like that could have been the reason for stopping short as it somewhat looks like a tall human with shoulders and a head. I'm all for going slow and steady vs balls to the wall in tight situations like this :)
great test, thank you!
I prefer the car to feel cautious too but the in the oncoming negotiations it needs to shoot the gap when it has it
“Taking a second or two to preserve human life”. This made me happy that the cars want to protect people I can’t wait until I can afford a Tesla
I was hoping you would go thru the intersection where you bottomed out last time... and see if FSD Beta avoid the big lurch of acceleration as it did last time.
What model year do you drive. I know they’ve made hardware improvements to the forward facing cameras for the sun issue, but I don’t really know when. I wonder if the newer vehicles are as sensitive to direct sun
cant wait for v11!
You should find another FSD Beta driver and see how teslas react to eachother, like they both see eachother at the stop sign or traffic light and see who gives the right away and other tests. This will be a good banger video!
Thanks a lot for the video!
I'm glad you're seeing improvements with the recent updates. Personally, I'm a bit concerned if it's ever going to be able to be good everywhere, without making localized versions. Here, around Olympia, WA, updates over the last half a year have only made things worse, and it has MAJOR problems; Dropping out of FSD on the highway, with no warning of any kind, silently drifting into traffic in the adjacent lane, trying to drive into curbs, completely unable to handle small roundabouts, ignoring stop signs, etc. It's getting really depressing. Seems they're ignoring my area completely.
7:25: It momentarily thought it saw a biker on the side of the road. I'd say it was swinging around to give them space but it also said creeping for visibility, so...
I’m also testing in Berkeley hills! I live here too 👋
I really like how FSD develops, but not so much the fact of stopping using sensors, in situations like the ones in this video, where there are direct light conditions to the cameras, you could navigate through those sensors to verify certain things, I would have liked that they decided to use them
There is a say in the programmer community that - when a develper thinks he is 90% done - he is about half there. That here looks like that. For me that self driving mode ist unacceptable. It is however nice as a dev status. One can see how the thing works and what are a the challenges. There are lots of changes which are still required. But I would say in a couple of years, the thing may work.
I like your optimism and your editing. Good job. In the event that you do not go back over your earlier videos beyond 4 days ago, I am still wondering why your car is bouncy ?
Notice how you are seeing the car from the outside. The camera is attached to a pole attached to the back end, so you're seeing the camera bounce and sway (not the car).
Hey just a suggestion, you can start posting CZcams "shorts" of your dramatic/interesting moments captured on FSD. May require some new voice overs for the short style. The reason I suggest this is that CZcams Shorts audience is completely different and you can get huge views on that, which can lead to new subscribers or lead people to your longer form content
"they are all too busy sharpening their HD maps, make their cars like an NPC in GTA" LOL
Great stuff! Keep it coming!
I love your videos so much, but the transition sound is like... realllly loud (bass) and way too epic! Maybe it's my sound setup, but I just wanted to give you some feedback on that. Keep posting these awesome videos!
I have a different question, is the consumption higher when you use Autopilot in the city?
Be interesting to see two FSD vehicles try to pass each other on these narrow streets!
What "mode" do you have FSD set on? I assume aggressive mode is more aggressive?
Another great video! Thanks! Somewhat off topic, but damn that yoke steering still looks terrible and somewhat dangerous.
Are you able to EQ the 80hz (or lower) bass out of the driving clips? It can be a bit distracting while listening to the voice-over
i love these videos!
This was quality!
Always Remember Its better to be safe than sorry .
As long as the driver is expected to take over at a moments' notice, the car must drive at the speed that the meatbag can react at, regardless of its hypothetical superhuman capability
please start counting:
interventions; disengagements; honked at; akward moments; angry driver moments; etc
so we can see an evolution
cheers from Brazil
3:00 - it's not just how fast you'd react and drive, it's those around you too. Team game, people
Slower speeds improves passenger comfort.
How do you get the cool camera angles from behind the car?
I like how people like the video, even tho it's 1 minute on youtube.
Ai driver followers that know he gives consistently good vids will like when we start the vid to make sure we don’t forget to later
Easy, we like the video before watching it. And no, it's not illegal as you might think.
If it's a channel that I know makes good content, then I like it before even watching. If I end up not liking it, I can just remove the like after.
@6:36 perhaps the sun on the car suggested to the FSD that its rear driving lights were on and it needed to distinguish between a car backing up and no issue at all?
@6:49 a human appears on the screen across the street then at 6:52 it shows he magically jumped across the street and approaching the FSD. I would trust the FSD here, since I have never seen a human jump across a street. Alien life being picked up by FSD is impressive....lol
@AI DRIVR I think it is a good idea to sent clips to Tesla too when the car is handling something good because it is not gonna get good at something only by looking at what is bad.
Thanks for showing Berkeley! I live in Berkeley, but I still enjoy seeing videos of you driving here.
If you want to really challenge the AI, you should drive up Durant Ave from Telegraph in the evening during prime door dash hours. It's three lanes one way with parking on each side. In the evening many people (not just door dashers) routinely double park in the #1 and #3 lanes, leaving one lane for people to drive through, with pedestrians jaywalking through that one lane all up and down the block. It's hell for everybody!
If the Berkeley hills are worth the trek from wherever you are, it's also worth sticking around until Durant Ave heats up in the evening. I'm curious to see how the AI handles such lawlessness, lol! Make sure to truly have your hands ready to take the wheel and your foot ready to slam the brake just in case!
CZcams now has a SHORTS tab to clean the normal videos clean and easy to find, so you don't really need a second channel for shorts anymore.
(Though, I understand why many, many CZcamsrs did that before as I'm certain anyone who went on The Hacksmith's channel before they updated the UI would agree upon.)
Great video
How do you get the special effect of the rear camera appearing to hover like a drone? Btw, absolutely excellent episode on FSD... the ability of the NN to display 'judgement' is amazing, to say the least. Enjoyed your commentary... have a lot of respect and appreciation for the effort you put into testing and documenting your driving experience. I have a CyberTruck on order (~200k on the waiting list) with FSD, of course. Cannot wait!! SoCalFreddy
I believe he has a selfie stick that is really long...I think I saw it one time in one of his videos.
It's a special type of camera that (as Raj said) has a really long selfie stick. However, it's designed to filter this selfie stick out of the footage so it appears to float. I don't know which one he uses, but look up the "Insta360 One X" if you want to see one of them. :)
You mentioned fsd doesnt reverse but I had fsd shift into reverse actually on my last drive.
I imagine it felt it was in a serious enough situation to do it in a safety conscious way though.
I pulled up to a light for a left turn and accidently tapped the accelerator as I was shifting in my seat and fsd lurked forward at the red light and then imediately shifted into reverse to correct my mistake and then shifted back into drive, this did mess up the turn and sat there waiting for a confirmation to proceed after it was green. I had to disable and re-enable fsd to get it out of that stuck state.
So I think it is possible but it's got to really know it in a bad situation to do it
your channel is evolving to the good.
keep it up. much appreciated
Comma's OpenPilot will let you test in those environments, and OpenPilot is almost fully end-to-end with zero maps data being used for handling these situations.
Can you link me to a video?
@@AIDRIVR It's pretty early days for them, so it's not impressive yet. They just started working on their end-to-end longitudinal control about a year ago. And recently got their lateral control to be end-to-end as well.
I haven't seen anyone try something like that road yet, but there is nothing stopping someone from trying it.
I'd try on mine, but my car is manual so I need to take over under 20km/h. If only I bought an auto. 😅
Here is someone else's video: m.czcams.com/video/U8oH0cJgqGQ/video.html
(I'm surprised a "giant bus" is down here at all). That looks like one of those disability transit bus. When I had to go to rehab, I had a bus like that get me. I live (15-20) minutes from city limits in WV. That bus (disability transit) will go basically everywhere. And school buses also (and those school buses are a whole lot bigger).
3:58 You hit the Cone didnt you? Ahah
True that autonomous cars can react quicker than humans but I agree with you as you said yourself that slow and steady feels more relaxing than slamming on the brakes too suddenly
There's one intersection on my drive home, a + intersection with the cross slanted with the left side further out than the right, that I will always evaluate FSD beta on. All lanes are visible. As long as Beta keeps trying to put me practically into the right-most lane of the cross left-to-right traffic, it's an instant failure.
keep training that ai till I get one for myself! thank you!
at 7:29 it looks like it sees a bike for a second that it wanted to get around instead of just wanting to get further from the curb
9:13 But far from other challenging roads in the world. I wonder if FSD can recognize pothole.
Personally I do not want frequent uploads. Concise is good.
So what’s very odd to me is fsd beta/autopilot cannot make u turns/ reverse but smart summon and summon can ???? Like when nobody’s in the car it navigates by itself around parking lots but not while in drive so odd
@6:22 "for no apparent reason". Since that parked car on the right is in the shade, perhaps the one headlight that appears on suggests to the FSD that it is about to pull out. That would be a good reason to apply caution. IMHO.
What happens when two Teslas with the same version FSD approach each other at a choke point? Who yields?
@6m50s Isuspect it was a case of (% a white fire hydrant not small child?)
Dont make a separate clips channel! It was good advice a few months ago, but CZcams recently added the new "Shorts" tab, so your shorts arent mixed up with your normal content. I would suggest posting clips as shorts and then uploading as usual. Just a suggestion, though. (From what my understanding of the algorithm is)
WOW
u got a new subscriber :)
I have a model S 2020 with F.S.D Beta and I love it when it first released but after 10 update I start to hate how the car acting like 90 year old driver. It braking more and wondering too much it make people sittiing the car dizzy it only good on the highway with direction but back road in the city it is getting very hard to drive. I am not sure if the vision getting old and see thing different than whne it new ir the ldriving law getting harder and the car getting slow down to think. I still love my model S with FREE charge for life.
Good video.
You’ve gone quiet the last few weeks my man. Everything ok?
Lucid parked to the right at 4:26
4:03 i think it should not stop if fsd sees that he can fit well then it should continue
How is that view from the back of the car possible???? WOOWW
That’s how to obstruct traffic right there lol
I think the car perfectly fine, though it drives kinda slow and yeah as you said "gives more space to the oncoming car" and that principle all the time, during some circumstances there is enough space for both cars. And Tesla FSD really makes me impatient.