The Complete Comparison: TAHOE T16 vs. Bayliner Element E16
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2020
- The TAHOE T16 and Bayliner Element E16 are both fiberglass sport boats in the same size class. So, how do you know which one to choose? Watch as we walk you through key features, specifications and pricing information for both of these models to help you make an informed decision.
Tahoe T16
Length -
16' 5"
Beam -
7' 6"
Towing Length -
22' 3"
Maximum person capacity -
6
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I bought the Bayliner over the Tahoe for a few reasons. As an entry boat for someone wanting a low risk learning experience, the Bayliner is as simple as it gets. It's two pieces (hull and deck), removable fuel tank and battery. Super easy to maintain. Far more storage space in the Bayliner as everything under the seats is usable. Easy to clean, just spray down the deck and under the deck. The cushions that can fly off when trailering are the center cushions, not those described in the video. I don't use the center cushions as it provides full walk space bow to stern. M hull design has its trade offs, but is awesome when lounging and fishing. I liked the Tahoe, but the Bayliner was a better choice for me. This video is clearly a marketing hit piece poorly disguised as an unbiased comparison.
Were you able to get any discount off MSRP?
Everything you said positive about the Bayliner holds true on the Tahoe. "Easy to clean and maintain ". Minus the cushion issue AND the M hual which is honestly not better in any way then the Tahoe . Not to mention many of the points listed in this video.
The Tahoe honestly has all the pluses the Bayliner has AND more with non of the negatives the Bayliner has.
The Tahoe is honestly a much better boat.
What size is your Bayliner and whats the most number of people you've had on it at one time safely?
Bayliners are junk. always have been.
Have fun filling that gas tank 😂
This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for!!!! More similar comparisons, please!
I have a 2022 bayliner m17. Very nice boat. Well thought out design and came with A LOT of options that I always wanted. The bimini is great for all day sun. It's a little bit of everything, pontoon/ski/fish. That's why I like it. Very wide and stable with lots of room. Rides across choppy water pretty good but if you want a all out tight turning ski/tubing boat get a v hull boat. I would buy another m17 or m18 but my family likes to chill and stay out all day. The price I paid for the bayliner was well worth it. Mine has a 90hp 4 stroke mercury and it has tons of power and more speed than I need. Stay safe boating out there!
Even though this is a Tahoe commercial, it does seem like a better built boat. Swim deck, finished inside storage etc. However, the current 2022 base prices no longer make these boats comparable. Bayliner is $6k cheaper. Good thing I am super athletic :)
What a piece of video!!!! Thank you a lot all the questions answered in 6 minutes
Video brought to you by Tahoe boats 😂
Excellent review. I owned the Element 16 for about a year and wish I had gotten more of a conventional V hull design. Bayliner calls it their M hull. The only advantage is that it's very stable at the dock or when not moving at idle in the water or at anchor. But because it's not a V that cuts through the water and pushes it to the side if there's even a moderate chop the boat smacks down onto the water such force that it'll knock your tooth fillings out. Very harsh ride. Plus I could see from the video that the finish looked at a higher level on the Tahoe. The Element was pleasant at anchor but not underway. I got exactly the same top speed as he did 31mph and it was sluggish to get on plane (I had the 60 hp Mercury) . I can't picture this boat ever being able to pull a skiier. If I remember the 75hp according to reviews did not add a whole lot of zip to the boat. If I got another boat in this class it would be a V hull and the Tahoe looks like it would fit the bill.
One positive for the Bayliner is the aft sundeck - it appears to be usable underway, while the one on the Tahoe is not. I liked your comparison, though I, like many others, noted you definitely have a Tahoe bias that seems to be a bit deeper than strictly the results of your comparison - better dealer margin, perhaps? Nonetheless, an informative video.
The Tahoe was just a better boat from what I could tell.
Justin you bring here an EXCELLENT video. Very informative. Thank you!
I have the ‘20 Tahoe 16 with the 75 Mercury. Super impressed with the boat’s layout, fit and finish. Easy to launch and load and tons of fun on the water.
I ordered a T16. I wish there were more customer reviews
@@Metal_Stacking I used to think Bayliner were cheap crap boats. But after reading alot of reviews and looking at manufactures overall quality for the dollar Bayliner always ranks higher then Tahoe. I also thought Cobalt and Crownline where the best. Apparently you're paying for styling and name cause they are not the best quality. Everybody's top 3 are Searay, Chapparal and Boston Whaler. Bayliner usually in the top 10 of most list.
@JC Shahan I’m in the same boat pun intended. Also considering a T18.
@@tonysolis8199 may I know how much is the out of door price for t16
@jackeyoo the prices have gone up a lot I think I paid out the door close to 25K but now you can expect around 30K for a T16.
While bias for Tahoe I appreciate this review. I actually had a deposit on the E18 and a friend made me aware of Tahoe's new T18. I looked into it and regretted my choice on the E18. But then being built in Mexico and the Covid factor it was 6 weeks behind committed date. The dealer agreed to let me switch to the T18 that they received. LOVE IT!
Wow my mind is made up. Tahoe is the way to go. Thanks for that great informative video!!!!
The hull design on the Tahoe is brilliant. The Tahoe appeared very trimmed up as opposed to the Bayliner. which may explain the bow ride, but I think that hull design bring almost a stability element like my old tri hull. Stable at speed and fishing
This is a very biased video gearing towards the Tahoe. I've been doing quite a bit of research on these boats. The M hull design provides stability on the water that minimizing rocking and very easy to board. Therefore, does not lean when making turns. One thing, I did not really like is that the helm does not have a gas gauge on the bayliner. "Let me lift up the seat so I can see how much gas I have." Huh? They failed to mention how much more seating the Bayliner has. About 25 perfect more. That's pretty huge. That's about it for now. I'll keep you updated.
You didn’t watch the same video then. Clearly the Tahoe was a lot more stable in the turns and faster on plane. We were going to go with a Bayliner but will wait till spring to do an on water comparison ourselves and I’m betting the Tahoe wins. Bayliner, like Harley, is relying on their name
@@bfarm44 It's quite obvious, that your biased towards Tahoe as well. You failed to recognize the pros and cons of both vessels. Therefore, proving my point. The information provided was in regards to on the water and boarding, not performance in the turns. Please read thoroughly. On your behalf, to reiterate your perspective. Tahoe has a deep v-hull which allows maximum performance in the turns. This is due to the deep v essentially carving through a turn versus a level turn due to the m-hull design with the Bayliner. I hope you are much more informed with the related information. Happy boating.
@@azmagister
Not to mention the bayliner seat cushion is removable to step into the boat without stepping on the seat LOL.
Look at the Logo of the presenter! This video is made by Tahoe or an affiliated entity to show the advantages of the Tahoe over the Bayliner. Perhaps Bayliner should counter with a video of their own? Stop whining!!!
Excellent video. And my vote for Tahoe 👍.
The Video is produced by Tahoe and of course skews in that direction. Why did the Tahoe not have the optional Bimini on it like the Bayliner did? Because, it slowed the planning speed and top speed of the Element so it was not apples to apples test but great marketing video.
@@Metal_Stacking Still going to slow you down, maybe not so much in the hole shot but definitely at top end. Both of these boats look extremely under powered. Many similar sized boats rate for much higher HP. But of course they cost more too. Video was definitely skewed for Tahoe but both of these are entry level boats at best. There is a sweet spot for price to performance and these come in at the bottom of the list. But they get folks out on the water that probably could not otherwise. A few of them that should not be out there too lol.
Bayliner is a bottom of the barrel boat!!! It’s the cheapest made boat on the market, every boating person knows this. That’s why they are so cheap!!!
Yes! Finally! I wish more comparison's like this were out there. I used to own a 2006 Tahoe Q4 w/a 135 HP Optimax. Best boat I ever had. I still kick myself in the a$$ for selling. If I was in the market for a budget friendly boat, I would defiantly look into the Tahoe T16. I know Bayliners have come a long way from the 80's but Brunswick puts all cheap stuff in the Bayliners.
Thank for the info there building my Tahoe as we speak 👍🏾
I have my 2150 on order. I can't wait!
Informative but go deeper - I believe bayliner includes a trailerable snap cover - Tahoe is a ratchet cover and is an additional $700. I have a 2020 bayliner e16 - under powered with a 60 hp. Thier bimini top was $500 - the Tahoe bimini is $1250. Thats almost $2000 for a couple of aluminum poles and canvas. I appreciate the no haggle on the Tahoe - But I aint paying an extra 2k for covers! Thats almost pure profit - I'll negotiate those on the Tahoe or they can give me more for my trade - or i'll just keep the bayliner and maybe up-power to 75. Stay tuned. Also the battery location for the tahoe is awkward - direclty under the driver and access through rear seat panel and you have to reach in...minor details perhaps but important - also it should come with a battery shut-off switch - not standard as it is in the bayliner.
Still - a lot to like about the Tahoe in terms of comfort, design ,and quality.
I would have considered the Tahoe but Bayliner makes an 18’ and 21’ also and that extra space sold us.
So does Tahoe.
Tahoe does too! And Tahoes 18 and 21 footer is far superior to Bayliner too
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I ordered my Tahoe T16 with the black hull and red trim, 75HP engine, fish live well and bimini top.. I just got the call today that its in. I look forward to etting it out ( still a little cold but I ordered it months ago covid).
How’d you like it?? And how much OTD
@@samwise7240 strange, I have tried posting the OTD price three times, but in a matter of minutes, my post is gone. 🤔
How long did it take you from the time you ordered it to receiving it?
@@JustMeonMe it took about 3 months. It looks GREAT!
looking forward to warmer weather... should be soon!
I've heard the engine is pretty quiet, is that true?
I'm gonna order one tomorrow. So you recommend I order from Bass Pro Shop? Where did you order yours?
The 2023 Tahoe now has a fully digital guage cluster. Touch screen. Looks really cool!
Awesome video! Good to know a used Bayliner is the better boat
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I won a 2021 t16 from the price is right. Will get it in 8 to 10 weeks! I’m excited it’s gonna be my first boat 😁
Congratulations, Julie! That is fantastic!
Thank you! I can’t wait to take her out once she arrives!
Congrats, that's pretty awesome
Hey throw some vids of that new boat up on your channel
@@TerraFirmaX I get it this coming week! I’ll take pictures. I want to sell it.
Thanks. Would like to see the comparison with Tahoe 450 and 550 vs bayliner. Very informative.
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can you make another video like this comparing the M-17 Vs the T-18!?
Location of production sold me. It looks like a fun boat.
Super Steve how are you liking the Tahoe so far?
Tahoe ftw 🙌🏾 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hard to trust the performance comparison. Bayliner Element series does not porpoise unless you have the motor trimmed too far up...like any other boat.
What about ride comfort? I’ve read some owners complaining of boat slap even in low wakes..
Slap is common in lower draft or lighter boats. Of these 2 boats the Tahoe hull should ride better.
The Bayliner porpoises all the time no matter where you have the motor trimmed. You have to install Smart Tabs stabilizers otherwise the bow is all over the place. ‘19 Element E16 w/ 75hp merc owner
I’m not smart, but I know which one I would choose: Tahoe!
damn never thought much of the bayliner anyway but performance from that tahoe blew me away
Well done!
Love the part about when you let go of the steering wheel, so typical of a Bayliner, try docking a Bayliner on a windy day...
I bought a Tahoe 700 limited last year. 6.2 liter v8 300hp with the corsa exhaust. folding wake tower and bimini top. deep v hull. this thing tops out at 56 with just me and a quarter tank of fuel. seats 9. plenty of storage, plenty of power, and very easy on the eyes. if your buying a first boat spend a little extra and go for the tahoe. I saw a lot of negative reviews on all brands, tahoe included. my typical day at the lake is from 9am till the sun goes down. this boat has met and exceeded most needs.
Are you still enjoying your tahoe after 2 years? Any issues? Bet there’s been a lot of good boating days due to covid this past year
@@jakes5530 I love it. spent most of last summer at the lake. been too chilly here still but I'm itching to get out. so far I've had zero issues but I'm pretty serious about the maintenence. I do it all myself. the engine is very strong and ready to service and the boat itself has good lines and with the deep v hull it's comfortable on copy days cutting waves.
@@joecanon5527 glad to hear! I’m considering a 450ts or 550ts. Not too concerned with the merc 150 ob, those are generally bulletproof. Just was kind of unfamiliar with Tahoe’s quality and reliability in terms of stuff like hull cracks, and electronic/wiring issues.
@@jakes5530 interior has stood up good so far. I treat it with vinyl saucetwice a season. all hinges and cleats show no wear. I did get a rattle on port side dash. mounting bolts came loose. easy fix. I think for the price the quality is pretty good. gel coat is doing good. I wax once per season. probably strip this year. I live in the desert and drive 2 to 5 hours to get to the water so my trips are limited. I did leave it on lake travis for 3 months and the bottom was so bad when I pulled it out but it cleaned up back to new pretty easily.
@@joecanon5527 good to hear. Enjoy!
The part in this video where turn seems to skid/slide vs. turn 'gently' is due to the hull design and creates a situation where the boat doesn't lean. For those newer to boating, this might be a sales pro instead of the implied con it is in this Tahoe marketing bit. Also, the 'step on cushion' issue doesn't exist. You can remove that cushion on the standard cooler/live well or use it as a seat. I have an Element 21 Fish version which sold me. I have both a deck boat and a fishing boat.
What are the trailer dimensions?
So the removable back rest in the Tahoe can only be used from one sitting angle? If you are leaning back, how does the other passenger behind you sit? Looks like the back rest works only in one direction.
I agree why not make it unidirectional?
Excellent points. My big question is over the power. I will be buying a 16 foot boat soon (16' so it will fit in my garage), however, am afraid to purchase a Mercury OB. Any thoughts? Thanks
Lawrence W Mercury outboards are great. Super quiet, easy to work on, fuel injected so easy to start, sips fuel, little or no winterization hassle. I’ve had three mercury four stroke outboard’s, they’ve all been absolutely bulletproof.
you paid comment guys have some great points...MERCURY OUTBOARDS have no history ...no idea how they might perform
Mercury and yamaha make the best outboards in the industry so I wouldn’t worry whatsoever. Outboards generally last longer than most inboard engines. For instance, I’ve really only heard both good things about Mercury’s outboards, but mixed reviews on Mercruiser inboards. The only outboard brand I’ve heard negative reviews about are the newer Evinrude OBs once they were purchased by BRP (the makers of sea-doo).
I made my choice at the 30 second mark....Made In America baby....
I’d buy the Tahoe just because I like to support American companies where I can. 🇺🇸
Bayliner is an American company too.
How much does the Tahoe cost you?
@@guadalupecontrerascontrera3135 $21K for the 2022 version
I don't care either way, but noticing that the video was produced by Tahoe it makes me wonder about a few things during the performance tests: what prop was on each motor? Where was the motor trimmed during the holeshot test? How was the motor trimmed during that clip showing how the boats handled chop? It looked like the Bayliner was porpoising which is a trim issue, not hull design. As I said, I own a Lund so I don't care either way in this comparison, I just noted some details that were left out which would impact these results. I did enjoy the comparison video, I would just like to see a few more details included for clarification.
Great marketing. The choice seems clear.
This video is fake. As ford vs chevy
When the video shows Bayliner is raising at the front more have a look at the Tahoe front how it tapers down on top of course it's going to be different
I have the E-16 with 75hp and owned many boats of various sizes over thirty years. It is a decent low end boat. But there is one addition that makes is a much better boat and that is trim tabs. Boat gets on plane much faster and does not porpoise. It is like a entirely different boat with the trim tabs. The cushions are a bit of a PITA, but three years later they are at least still holding up quite well.
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No mention of the price difference. I've been shopping and the Bayliner is actually available at dealers for a much better price.
In California, I have never seen a 16 ft Tahoe boat offshore. Bayliner ski boats go out all the way to the Coronado island and Catalina Island. lol
Does the TAHOE offer a rack for towing?
It has a tow bar available for around $1,000, it was an upgrade for the bayliner as well.
Are either of these good for the bay which can be a little choppy some days?
See my other comment. Bayliner had an extremely harsh ride because of their "M" hull. Look at the cross section of both hulls from the front view. The only place the Bayliner would be okay would be on a glassy smooth lake. I don't have personal experience with the Tahoe but look at the difference in the bumpiness at 5:18. Do your homework but from this comparison I'd say get the Tahoe.
They M hull provides stability in choppy water. Similar to what you might experience with a pontoon.
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I wish these prices were still current
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Where can I find a Tahoe T16 at MSRP in California???
Good morning! Our White River Online Boat Sales Team can discuss inventory in more detail and also help with an order. To reach them, please call toll free (888) 885-1003, Monday-Friday 8AM-8PM CST, Saturday 10AM-5PM CST.
I ordered my T16 a few weeks ago 👍
Nice, congratulations. Did they negotiate price?
@@arvinpareftsid2039 no negotiation. Price is the price. You can work in deals on accessories though
@@johnnyturbo8460 cool, thank you
@@arvinpareftsid2039 no problem. It's finally warming up here so I am planning to finally take it out for its maiden voyage. I will try to post some videos of it this season after I break in the engine as per the Mercury manual . It's just been sitting in the backyard for about 2 months now
@@johnnyturbo8460 Nice, enjoy it! I subscribed to you so I don’t miss your video(s)
Bayliner is stable as a rock where the Tahoe will be..Rockin...I know...I take my Bayliner 16 miles offshore fishing..more stable than my 21 footer...
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When you 1st see the overhead shot of both boats the Bayliner looks larger..the E16 Boats like an 18 footer...
Bayliner is much smaller
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Do those prices include the trailer?
Yes, they do. Pay extra for trailer with brake or swing away tongue on the Tahoe. Around $500-700 more
Cost???
I have a feeling this guy owns Tahoo! lets see a video with the owner of Bayliner...
Why do you say welds on the trailer are going to last longer?
Something being welded together is stronger than something bolted together
@@jonnyfive9163 application dependent. It's a sales pitch. Welds crack, bolts get replaced
This Tahoe video is no longer accurate. The Tahoe is certainly the better boat; however, you can still get a new bayliner for 16k but Tahoe raised the price of the T16 to 21k. That is a 25% increase! I no longer consider that an affordable entry level boat. I’m aware of how crazy inflation is now but that seems ridiculous for a boat this size.
Is there an infill cushion for the bow for the Tahoe?
Your nearest authorized dealer can go into more detail about what is available for your Tahoe model. You can find your nearest authorized dealer here: www.tahoeboats.com/dealers.html
A simple yes or no would’ve been helpful. Do you make an infill for the t16 ?
We are sorry, Chris. We do not have that for the T16 model.
Thank you 👍
My pleasure!
I wanted a Tahoe but no one from the company would call me. So I bought the bay liner
This is a good video, except the part where you let go of the wheel. You want the boat to make a turn when you let go of the wheel, that is by design. If you get thrown out of the boat you want it to circle back to you instead of going straight.
The outboards I have owned actually have an adjustment on the fin aft of the propeller that you can correct for the natural tendency for the boat to want to pull one way or the other. I didn't know about it until someone showed me. You move it a degree or two and the boat will track dead straight.
@@mattr3194 Yes, I think just about all motors have that adjustment. But you do not want the motor to track dead straight. This is a safety feature if the captain becomes incapacitated, or falls out. You see a boat moving in a circle, after circle, after cirlce, you know something is wrong.
@@survivalistboards Yep, I get that, I was just commenting that the video made it out to be a negative. I think either boat could be setup to track straight or to do the turn as you mention above.
Exactly, so it can run you over and finish the job
I own the Element 16 and it has a back cushion for shorter drivers, you can see the snaps above and below backrest i video. Also, this video is very bias towards the Tahoe. Element planes way faster and i dont have porpoising issue at wot unless i overtrim.
Okay, we just saw the video comparing the two boats and how quickly they plane. Have you done the same test? If so, back it up with a video of your own. I’d love to see it!
@@scotthepler6831 I saw a commercial for Tahoe. If this was a Bayliner channel, the Tahoe would seem inferior.
The video is comparable with a situation where a Mercedes guy compares a C class to a 3 series and comes up with the C class as the clear winner.
After all, the CZcams channel’s name starts with the winner brand 🤣
Sadly, the prices on these have skyrocketed in comparison.
Tahoe
gee... do you work for Tahoe??
2021 now and the Tahoe boat price jump to $20,000.
its not worth.
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Good video. Buy a t shirt that isnt 3 sizes too small next time.
Sucks they don't make T18 or T20
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This is the the perfect example of a biased review!
Why wouldn't you test the 75hp? Maybe because the Bayliner performs better? Paid Tahoe actor.
Haha great marketing 😂
Nice comparison but one comment.
Why would you power turn to pick up a down skier other than in an emergency? Power turns are fun, but send rollers (even from small boats) in all directions.
For example: With overhead video: czcams.com/video/8_aw6xvbSA0/video.html
Had the element for a couple years, it’s a bitch to load onto the trailer because of its m shape haul.
I been saying "made in the US, that is why its sooo expensive" but i just saw where those boats are made" In Mexico" ha ha. i was wrong.
they pay Mexican laborers $10 US a day to build those boats. and they bring the boats to the US to sell them for tons of money.
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The Tahoe t16 is $25k now lol
A Tahoe biased review sponsored by Tahoe. Seems legit.
Glad somebody finally said it!
Bet I can RIP the Tahoe dash an steel wheel off in seconds guess how I know lol
Ha I’ve wondered that when I sat in one. Seems like one of the cheap parts of the boat.
Bet I can snap a bolted on deck platform in under a minute on the Bayliner, what’s your point? If you want to deliberately break something you can. But you don’t have to
@@bfarm44 well when you need something to hold on to an its Flimsy dash that cost the better part of 1500.. thats the controls to a boat you bet I could complain Tahoe affordable boats are just crap.
i see only ONE advantage is fuel gauge
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Is the bayliner really that crap or is this very biased?
So.... Tahoe
lol people this video is made by Tahoe do you really think this is a good comparison
Wow the "no haggle" price for just the 60 HP went up to $19995!!...Thanks, Biden!!
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Bayliner is the cheapest boat brand. If Tahoe makes a comparison with Bayliner, that means Tahoe is also a cheap brand
tahoe's trim is adjusted far far differently than the bayliner. this is clearly a Tahoe commercial. thumbs down
Hmmmm.... biased much?
Well what was he biased about that actually wasn’t better on the Tahoe? Seems everything from seating comfort to all aspects of performance are simply better on the Tahoe.
Bayliner's still making crap I see 🤦
How embarrassing for bayliner