I bought a topdon Phoenix lite2 and got the topology map upgrade and the oscilloscope. Does everything you could really ask it for in the light duty world.
for $500 a year.. wouldn't it just be easier to buy another T8? $720 with 20% coupon, seems like a better deal than renewing the subscription! Someone will buy an out of date T8 for a few hundred dollars , no doubt.
Still more than updating it at $720 so wouldn’t make sense to do that. But maybe since you get 2 yrs of free updates? I don’t know I guess it depends on how much you can sell the old one for outdated. People are weird about scan tools that aren’t updated. Ask me how I know 😂
I agree with your assessment. I rather get a top don or a launch since they are all based with the same software. The T8 looks like the mid tiers scanners that Launch & Top Don, but the ICON is more expensive.
Yea that’s my thoughts as well. I’m going to continue testing it out but so far nothing wows me. Especially not for $900. Many other platforms have the same level scan tools for less money. They are just comparing it to snap on. A lot of people still don’t know topdon launch or autel exist which is surprising to me.
Thanks for a really concise vid. I'm just a DIY-er supporting 5 family cars (plus my mom's on occasion) and was hoping for something like this for a more integrated experience any my current Innova 5160rs. I got an Autel MX900, but I need to get on its level or find something simpler. The Innova 7111 looks like it might be an option...
lets say I want this to be able to do repairs my 2002 car. So would have limited use, but would I need updates? or once all my old cars data were in there would that be all I need, or is the connection needed to make this unit usable? or does it operate just on its own.... it looks like a really sweet unit for a novice home mechanic. Or maybe its far above what I would ever need. Thank you.
Your scan tool doesn’t save the data from the vehicle. It’s reading the vehicles modules themselves. From the sounds of it I’m guessing the Topscan from topdon will likely be a better fit for your needs
How are you liking the ICON so far. I’m in need of a scanner upgrade. Looking at an Autel , Topdon etc. just not sure what’s the best bang for the buck and sometimes skeptical on HF stuff.
I want to buy a 2013 Mercedes E 550. A lot of them have low mileage for the age in NC. NC is in the top 10 for clocking. Does anyone know if the T8, or any
Well a lot will but you have to know how to interpret the data and how to diagnose the circuit. The most cost effective is going to be either the otofix d1 lite or the topscan
I purchased the icon T8 and am having regrets. No topology, no real fix suggestions, and glitchy. I’m hoping icon will do some updates in the future that will make this scan tool worth the investment. Right now it’s just not worth the money.
Yea so a few things I’ve found out. The only items it has that most the major competitors have is it can do “some” keys, it has adas capabilities and it has fca access. Aside from that plenty of 300-500 scan tools do everything else it does.
@@ratrodnation hate to say I doubt it’s going to any sort of next level but I do feel that way. Perhaps the t10 has more potential but they have been so limited on information it’s annoying
@@Enrightauto I agree, just being optimistic 🤣🤣. Not sure based off of the T8 and it’s price point that the T10 will be better than top end scanners. Maybe they will surprise everyone?
@@ratrodnation hard to say. I think they are banking on the average Joe off the street that doesn’t know about topdon, autel or launch and just see the “compared to snap on” tab and buy them. But I’m being pessimistic. I’m mostly just made that they are playing the the identifix deal when it’s worthless. But making you think you get something extra
@@Enrightauto good point. You can buy a launch x431 pro dyno for 700 and it does all and more. Can even hook a scope box up to it. Just think the icon is a touch overpriced. And if support is needed who do you call? Icon or you call launch. What have they setup for that. I don’t know anything about support they have setup for the icon scanner.
@@JohnStax98 Launch CRP129E is a solid 250.00 scanner with functions. A really low cost wired scanner that does a lot is The Launch CRP919E at about 465.00. Amazon Prices. Also Autel MX808 at about 420.00.
Assuming it is like all of the other Launch-based tools of this caliber you’ll be able to program most transponder keys (some will require a pin code that this tool probably can’t pull from the vehicle). There will be a few remotes that it can program and MAYBE some “smart” keys, but very few if any. For key programming, there are far better options for a lot less money. If all you want to do is program keys, you can get something like an Xhorse tool for about the same price as the Icon, but the Xhorse will do ALMOST every key on the market. This tool is made to sell to suckers that don’t do their research.
@@extrasteez5727 it has misfire data the tool just isn’t worth $900 imo lots of patches and updates need to be done to it. 99% of people will under utilize it anyways
We shall see what they are capable of. So far I’m still not impressed. Plenty of other brands available for similar pricing that have been doing it for years
I would save up my money and spend 1800ish and get the phoenix elite if you are wrenching for a living. If you are diy I would buy the otofix d1 lite or the topdon topscan
@@Enrightauto Sweet~! I am an extended DIY.. help fam/friends so I will look into those. It is so hard to tell what to get, and IMHO.. the makers are raping people with the monthly/yearly fees.. Thank you for the response~! Happy wrenchin~!
@@spartan1876 that’s not programming and no it won’t program everything. I think you are confused as to what programming is vs reading information and then writing the information. There are only a few manufacturers like Honda/Toyota that will allow you to do this. Most need programmed through a j box with oe access
@@spartan1876 yea that’s not programming but I understand what you mean. Yes these will do some vehicles but all scan tools lack full in this area. Also a lot of those modules especially on older vehicles don’t require programming. Usually it’s a calibration or reading the vin and writing it in the new one. Then there is eeprom which is a whole other world
Great video, But 500 a year is outrageous for a subscription. I have searched all over for a definitive cost and i only hear this on a few videos. Do you have any link to this information to be 500 yearly? That's a deal breaker for the DIY'r Thank again for the video by the way.
For 500 a year after subscription is insanre since for that price i pay for my launch tech usa torque link with jbox and has more featurse than that icon would ever do, yes mine is more expensive but i got 2 free gifts with mine
Yea as I gain more information it does help Justify the cost some as the T8 does can-fd, key programming on some models, adas calibrations and bidirectional controls as well as sga/fca auto auth
@@Enrightauto I get that it has those features but those are also separate subscription you pay for also like with launch, since it does look like it is based on the launch technology
I'd disagree with people saying this should be half the money - there aren't wireless options at this level in that price range. I do think $900 seems high though.
Yea as I’ve got more information on it. It has can-fd, adas calibration, “some” key programming usually on the easier vehicles and bidirectional controls those items do help the value more than I originally had judged myself. But that all being said thr mass majority of people asking me about this tool have 0 clue what can-fd is or would ever need adas calibration because they don’t have the targets which cost thousands to buy. So for a diy’er it’s pointless there are better less expensive options without those features that the everyday Joe is going to use.
@@athhud leaps better than a trashy kingbolen. This isn’t the greatest scan tool in the world but kingbolen is bottom of the barrel with no support eithrrb
Looking forward to seeing more videos from you about the T8.
Thank you for taking the time to review the tool.🙂
I bought a topdon Phoenix lite2 and got the topology map upgrade and the oscilloscope. Does everything you could really ask it for in the light duty world.
Nice glad they added that to the 2 did you see the 3 they released??
Will this perform the misfire monitor neutral profile correction procedure?
for $500 a year.. wouldn't it just be easier to buy another T8? $720 with 20% coupon, seems like a better deal than renewing the subscription! Someone will buy an out of date T8 for a few hundred dollars , no doubt.
Still more than updating it at $720 so wouldn’t make sense to do that. But maybe since you get 2 yrs of free updates? I don’t know I guess it depends on how much you can sell the old one for outdated. People are weird about scan tools that aren’t updated. Ask me how I know 😂
@@Enrightauto 500/yr x2 is $1000 for 2 years of updates > 720 buy w 2 years
I agree with your assessment. I rather get a top don or a launch since they are all based with the same software. The T8 looks like the mid tiers scanners that Launch & Top Don, but the ICON is more expensive.
Yea that’s my thoughts as well. I’m going to continue testing it out but so far nothing wows me. Especially not for $900. Many other platforms have the same level scan tools for less money. They are just comparing it to snap on. A lot of people still don’t know topdon launch or autel exist which is surprising to me.
@@Enrightauto one more question. Is there an Autel or Topdon scanner you recommend that has all the features the T8 has?
@@darylwilson560 working on figuring that out now actually. I just picked up a topdon that is similar is capability’s
Thanks for a really concise vid. I'm just a DIY-er supporting 5 family cars (plus my mom's on occasion) and was hoping for something like this for a more integrated experience any my current Innova 5160rs. I got an Autel MX900, but I need to get on its level or find something simpler. The Innova 7111 looks like it might be an option...
Kingbolen K10 is very hard to beat for the eBay price.
lets say I want this to be able to do repairs my 2002 car. So would have limited use, but would I need updates? or once all my old cars data were in there would that be all I need, or is the connection needed to make this unit usable? or does it operate just on its own.... it looks like a really sweet unit for a novice home mechanic. Or maybe its far above what I would ever need. Thank you.
Your scan tool doesn’t save the data from the vehicle. It’s reading the vehicles modules themselves. From the sounds of it I’m guessing the Topscan from topdon will likely be a better fit for your needs
thankyou, I dont need a subscription, just something that would read my vehicle codes. thanks.
@@Enrightauto
When connecting with a vehicle do you need to input work order number? On my autel I always have to do that.
No and you can likely go into the settings on your autel and turn that off mine don’t do that
Great review.
How are you liking the ICON so far. I’m in need of a scanner upgrade. Looking at an Autel , Topdon etc. just not sure what’s the best bang for the buck and sometimes skeptical on HF stuff.
Skip the icon it’s not worth buying. Buy a topdon or autel you will be much happier
@@Enrightauto
Thanks for the reply. You have a recommendation on the Autel model for a semiretired shop owner that’s best value
wonder if this would work on a 2001 Chevy 2500 Duramax and a 2006 Ford F350 6.0? Heavy Duty?
I want to buy a 2013 Mercedes E 550. A lot of them have low mileage for the age in NC. NC is in the top 10 for clocking. Does anyone know if the T8, or any
Mercedes is the worst with their info good luck
Going to watch more of your content before deciding. Is there a scan tool that would help with the airbag light on a Nissan?
Well a lot will but you have to know how to interpret the data and how to diagnose the circuit. The most cost effective is going to be either the otofix d1 lite or the topscan
How do i find out if it will work with my 2015 freightliner 2500 sprinter van with 2.1 Mercedes diesel?
Check with icon. But buying a $900 scan tool for one vehicle is a waste of money. You will save $0 and cost yourself $900
I purchased the icon T8 and am having regrets. No topology, no real fix suggestions, and glitchy. I’m hoping icon will do some updates in the future that will make this scan tool worth the investment. Right now it’s just not worth the money.
Yea so a few things I’ve found out. The only items it has that most the major competitors have is it can do “some” keys, it has adas capabilities and it has fca access. Aside from that plenty of 300-500 scan tools do everything else it does.
@@Enrightauto exactly. Fingers crossed that icon isn’t done with the software yet and plane on taking this to the next level..
@@ratrodnation hate to say I doubt it’s going to any sort of next level but I do feel that way. Perhaps the t10 has more potential but they have been so limited on information it’s annoying
@@Enrightauto I agree, just being optimistic 🤣🤣. Not sure based off of the T8 and it’s price point that the T10 will be better than top end scanners. Maybe they will surprise everyone?
@@ratrodnation hard to say. I think they are banking on the average Joe off the street that doesn’t know about topdon, autel or launch and just see the “compared to snap on” tab and buy them. But I’m being pessimistic. I’m mostly just made that they are playing the the identifix deal when it’s worthless. But making you think you get something extra
Man, I’m so glad I watched this video. Thanks for that information and thanks for your honesty.
👌💪👍
I agree Its a 450 dollar scanner not a 900.00 one. Can get a launch that does exact stuff for 450-550. 250-400 if ya dont mind wired.
Yea so a little more information looks like majority of the other scan tools don’t do adas, keys, or fca gateway but have all the other options.
@@Enrightauto good point. You can buy a launch x431 pro dyno for 700 and it does all and more. Can even hook a scope box up to it. Just think the icon is a touch overpriced. And if support is needed who do you call? Icon or you call launch. What have they setup for that. I don’t know anything about support they have setup for the icon scanner.
@@Quickwrench75 yea as I continue to find out more information I’ll update everyone on what I find out.
what wired one can i get for $250?
@@JohnStax98 Launch CRP129E is a solid 250.00 scanner with functions. A really low cost wired scanner that does a lot is The Launch CRP919E at about 465.00. Amazon Prices. Also Autel MX808 at about 420.00.
Which scan Tool would u recommend for using with the new 2024 Hondas?
Dsti
Xtool D9 pro.
does it do Module reset
Do I have to already have 1 key to program new keys? Also, can I program radios that have to be programmed to the vin due to security?
Depends on the vehicle
Assuming it is like all of the other Launch-based tools of this caliber you’ll be able to program most transponder keys (some will require a pin code that this tool probably can’t pull from the vehicle). There will be a few remotes that it can program and MAYBE some “smart” keys, but very few if any.
For key programming, there are far better options for a lot less money. If all you want to do is program keys, you can get something like an Xhorse tool for about the same price as the Icon, but the Xhorse will do ALMOST every key on the market.
This tool is made to sell to suckers that don’t do their research.
@@athhud its not launch based its autel based
How's the live misfire data counter look and have you found that it is working for most manufacturer slls
No it’s been underwhelming overall to be honest for thr price of $900
@@Enrightauto dang having little to no live misfire data is pretty bad especially when it's a 'professional' level tool
@@extrasteez5727 it has misfire data the tool just isn’t worth $900 imo lots of patches and updates need to be done to it. 99% of people will under utilize it anyways
Can it do a oil reset, like on Mercedes or BMW
Likely yes
Im going to buy the t10 eventually not yet once it can do more
We shall see what they are capable of. So far I’m still not impressed. Plenty of other brands available for similar pricing that have been doing it for years
Smart and honest review thanks
Glad you liked it
One thing im thinking of, can it do live fine tuning on distributor timing for a vortec 350 like snap on? To get the timing to 0 -2 degree
No
Which unit would you get if you had $500/$1000 to spend ? Thank you.
I would save up my money and spend 1800ish and get the phoenix elite if you are wrenching for a living. If you are diy I would buy the otofix d1 lite or the topdon topscan
@@Enrightauto Sweet~! I am an extended DIY.. help fam/friends so I will look into those. It is so hard to tell what to get, and IMHO.. the makers are raping people with the monthly/yearly fees.. Thank you for the response~! Happy wrenchin~!
@@Enrightauto i ordered the Lite today, thank you!
@@tombo7719 💪💪
Can it test injectors on a 5.9 Cummins?
Not sure
Can it reprogram battery for BMW ?
Not sure I don’t work on euro’s
Does it read transmission temperature?
Yes
@@Enrightautothanks for answering my question!
Are you able to program modules like the autels?
Scan tools don’t program modules. Autels that are programming have a j box
@@Enrightauto the autel I have does programming without a j box. It's a ms906. It'll program everything and will do key fobs as well.
@@spartan1876 that’s not programming and no it won’t program everything. I think you are confused as to what programming is vs reading information and then writing the information. There are only a few manufacturers like Honda/Toyota that will allow you to do this. Most need programmed through a j box with oe access
@@Enrightauto I don't know what I'm talking about then. I've replaced several pcms abs modules and stuff with the 906 and never had an issue
@@spartan1876 yea that’s not programming but I understand what you mean. Yes these will do some vehicles but all scan tools lack full in this area. Also a lot of those modules especially on older vehicles don’t require programming. Usually it’s a calibration or reading the vin and writing it in the new one. Then there is eeprom which is a whole other world
Great video,
But 500 a year is outrageous for a subscription. I have searched all over for a definitive cost and i only hear this on a few videos. Do you have any link to this information to be 500 yearly? That's a deal breaker for the DIY'r
Thank again for the video by the way.
99.9% of all scan tools have subscriptions. $500 a year is cheap. This tool is not geared towards the diy
@@Enrightauto My thinking is will most features of this unit work without the subscription cost. I wouldn't need the latest updates
@@kickford you always lose some functionality on them when they aren’t updated
can it do a throttle body relearn
Yes but there are better options
That definitely looks like its made by launch
So apparently its autel but still not 100% sure but it’s definitely not launch that I can tell
Autel really that’s interesting? How do you kno ?
I'll stay with my 4.0
I’ve heard good things about them. It’s a launch x431 version if I remember correctly
@@Enrightauto correct
Take it back . for that price I'll order a autel
For 500 a year after subscription is insanre since for that price i pay for my launch tech usa torque link with jbox and has more featurse than that icon would ever do, yes mine is more expensive but i got 2 free gifts with mine
Yea as I gain more information it does help Justify the cost some as the T8 does can-fd, key programming on some models, adas calibrations and bidirectional controls as well as sga/fca auto auth
@@Enrightauto I get that it has those features but those are also separate subscription you pay for also like with launch, since it does look like it is based on the launch technology
Can u watch live scope on injector
Depends on the vehicle
I'd disagree with people saying this should be half the money - there aren't wireless options at this level in that price range. I do think $900 seems high though.
Yea as I’ve got more information on it. It has can-fd, adas calibration, “some” key programming usually on the easier vehicles and bidirectional controls those items do help the value more than I originally had judged myself.
But that all being said thr mass majority of people asking me about this tool have 0 clue what can-fd is or would ever need adas calibration because they don’t have the targets which cost thousands to buy. So for a diy’er it’s pointless there are better less expensive options without those features that the everyday Joe is going to use.
Except for FCA, this thing looks a lot like a Kingbolen K8 that is wireless and half the price.
@@athhud leaps better than a trashy kingbolen. This isn’t the greatest scan tool in the world but kingbolen is bottom of the barrel with no support eithrrb
Torque pro on Android cost 12 bucks and does all that
No it doesn’t 🤦♂️
Autel makes better scan tools
500 dollars a year for updates lol don’t think it’s worth it.
$500 a year for updates is cheap my guy. The tool isn’t worth it but $500 is cheap for updates either way
@@Enrightauto For what you’re getting 500 bucks a year is ludicrous.
@@keysautorepair6038 you obviously have no clue about scan tools
Your florecent lite is bothersome....do a better job..
Sorry about that.