SurRon 19” stock wheels vs upgraded 16”/19” vs 18”/21” wheels and tires acceleration test/shootout.
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- In this video we compare stock Sur-Ron with multiple tire upgrades on OEM 19" wheels vs 90/100-16" Shinko Cheater Sticky tire vs 18"/21" Dunlop 90/100-18" MX33 to show how each tire size (and weight) affects performance of your SurRon. Acceleration is done on pavement to ensure full traction. We will cover off-road traction, handling, lap times, and more in future tests, so be sure to subscribe!
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0:17 Intro
1:28 100 vs 90 Comparison
1:35 Test Setup
2:20 Bike Setup
3:11 19" Shinko 241 Trials Tire
4:36 19" OEM CST Tires
5:33 19" Kenda Trackmaster
6:13 Shinko Cheater 90/100-16
7:47 Dunlop MX33 18/21 Combo
10:07 18/21 with 54t Sprocket
10:40 RESULTS! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
great work brother!
Appreciate it!
nice comparisons!
Glad you like them!
I finally changed my rear to the Protrax 19 70/100 and get about the same performance as stock, but up loose trails it rocks!
Interesting, I'll have to try to find one of those, our distributor does not carry that brand.
Good comparison, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I have an 18" rear wheel offset set up with Dunlop MX33 tyre 90/100/18, when i installed it was touching the side stand spring on the left and the chain on the right. with this set up it was 10kg with bead lock and 58T sprocket. when i tested just on the stand it was showing top speed of 69 ton 71 kmph.
Great
What rise are those bars ?
I did just watch your recent TKO setup video. But what do you think is the best wheel setup at the end of the day. A 19/16 setup? Or running something along the lines of 21/18? Thanks In advance to reading!(:
not an easy question to answer. Essentially 16/19 if you want to keep the fun,nimble,playful nature of the bike and certainly if you don't want to invest in battery/controller upgrades to overcome added weight which is just about a requirement for 18/21 with all the added weight. All of us ran 16/19 at TKO for a variety of reasons but the #1 reason we did it is tire selection, it's not possible to run a gummy tire with foam inserts in 18" on a surron, they won't fit. However in 16/19 we have an incredible tire selection with many gummy tires available and even foam mousse inserts to guarantee no flat tires in extreme enduro which is crucial for that type of event. HOWEVER the bikes that finished in front of us were Electric Motion's with 18/21's and gummy trials tires which was an advantage through the rock gardens. These bikes also have a longer wheelbase which was an advantage on the many hillclimbs. In a nutshell: 16/19 for most people, 18/21 for those seeking a larger bike and willing to invest in power upgrades.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Understandable with that being a hard question to answer, but I really appreciate the thorough response you have given me, thank you! I have on order a ko motor, controller & 72v chi battery. So lack of power won't be my issue. I have challenged this question to many popular sur ron off road youtubers many are saying 19/16 while others are saying the bike is limited by its smaller tires and think 21/18 is the only correct answer. I wanna buy a nice wheelset so I am trying to get my choice right the first time lol. Again, thank you! :)
Will a 19 fit on a Segway x160? Would I be able to leave the 17 on the rear? What’s the purpose of switching to a 16? Thanks!
Hold up?! Did I see a license plate on this?! I’m working with you guys to build a bike right now can’t wait!
hahaha, sorta kinda??? It's just a Poison Spider sticker from the bike shop down in Moab :) love it!
What is the golden handlebar is on the bike? and is it 3" rise? thanks
in the thumbnail it was an older 3" MTB bar we carried 2 years ago. We have since replaced them with Motocross ProTaper Gold bars here: chargedcycleworks.com/products/protaper-mx-gold-handlebars-28-6?_pos=1&_psq=protaper&_ss=e&_v=1.0
Hey man where did you get those socks bars
The gold handlebars? chargedcycleworks.com/products/3-riser-bars
Question: Can you weigh the 16 inch wheel set up VS. the stock wheel set up?
You asked we deliver! I don’t have weights for a naked OEM wheel yet...some day I’ll add that. chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
@@ChargedCycleWorks If you could get the weights of all the different 16” wheels that would be superb.
Have you tried a 16 wheel on back and a 21 on front? Would it be off balance?
it would not be a good combo, you would be shifting far too much weight and balance onto the rear end making for a poor handling and steering chassis. When it comes to tire combos simply look at the motorcycle industry where they've perfected it over the last 100 years. It's no different on surron. A 90/100-18 like the super light weight K990 is the perfect match to a 21" on the surron. And a great 70/100-19 MX tire up front feels amazing with a 16" MX rear tire which is the setup used on Motocross racing bikes with the same chassis dimensions as the Surron, bikes like KX85 and KTM105.
Did you have to dish the 16 inch rear wheel ?
My tire rubbing the chain
Yes, our wheels come dished for the tire you purchase. Our hubs are manufactured to offset away from the chain for no or less dishing required. Our wheelsets and hubs are made for 3.5-4" wide MX tires.
If you did those tests in reverse starting from an absolute full battery, you **might** get similar results bc of the significant increase in power that you get when you are at/near max capacity.
Thanks for the feedback, the battery was on charger between each set of tires, battery level never dropped below 92% during all of this testing. Also our fastest runs were rarely the first run so 100% is not required for max power. The 18/21 is significantly heavier and also has a much larger diameter putting it at a gearing disadvantage. Physics... Honestly we expected the 18/21 to be even slower than this, 5% acceleration loss is pretty good in consideration of all of these factors. You can feel the power loss on the 18/21, it's noticeable to anybody who gets on the bike. This is the reason everyone runs 60t and 64t sprockets with this setup, it's needed to return the power. :)
Max capacity is the same all the way down to 60% then it starts to drop in performance by a little bit, mainly top speed.
What’s the 1/8” rear offset mean with woodys wheel? Should i select it? 😞😞😞😢
Nm so much, so fucking much to learn n know about all the sprockets n chains n all, I'm done
Can't speak for Woody's since we build and sell our own, but almost all your questions are answered in the descriptions on our wheel pages.
what spokes length do i need for 16 inch rims? help!
You can buy spokes here for your custom wheel build: chargedcycleworks.com/products/10g-spokes-for-surron-or-segway?variant=42623747686616
Can you help me my bike is being built & has 21"
I'm thinking of having 19 21 setup on my stealth bomber what's the benefits?
18" rear is better for off-road riding, less pinch flats and better traction with lower PSI. 100/90-19 is a motocross tire meant for tracks. You can't really run a 70/100-19 with a 21" up front, will be off-balance with gobs of traction and weight up front and not a lot out back.
@ChargedCycleWorks iv changed it to 19s f&r. Idk much about side wall sizes so far I'm thinking these tyres
F80/100, R90/100 should I have different walls?
Can you put sur Ron wheels on the x160
yes you can, they are interchangeable, the only thing to be careful of is the X160 might have a smaller fork and tire sizes might be limited to 70/100-19" inside that fork. Not a big deal as there are amazing tires available in this size.
Can I put stock rear 19 inch wheel up front when I buy 16 inch rear wheel?
No, the hubs are completely different sizing/spacing front and rear.
Hey Zack, a bit confused by this comment, you would keep your stock front 19" wheel up front and upgrade the tire on the rim to a much better mx 19" tire and then install the new 16" rear wheel tire for a 16/19 combo.
Whats the reason to change the wheel size
16" rear provides a superior tire selection from the motocross world with tires of all terrain and rubber compound options. The traction and handling is superior in every way to the 19" rear tires which are all tires made for the front of a motorcycle not the rear.
ericjonromnes is right. The battery amount matters. Fraction of a percent disharged each run/ fraction of a second differences each run. Gotta charge battery full before each run to be fair.
Actually, based on our testing our fastest acceleration runs were rarely the first run, it was often the 2nd or 3rd run that was fastest. This confirms that our testing was fairly done and that a few runs on each tire did not affect battery discharge rates. In the video we said we would not test below 80%, but we never dropped below 92% during these runs and we charged while we were swapping tires/wheels. We feel VERY confident in these numbers based on our real world test data.
Anyway i would be able to still run my kickstand with a larger rim and wheel in the back?
16” yes, 18” not unless you do some hack job to your kickstand to force it to fit.
I've got a 18x2.15 Excel wheel offset 1/8" from Woody's Wheel Works and much to my surprise I didn't have to remove the kickstand. I'm running the Dunlop K990 90/100-18.
Thanks for the feedback! Did you put a longer chain on and move the wheel all the way back on the chain adjusters? That might just have enough room on the 90/100-18, but hadn't tried doing that yet. We also just got a K990 and will be mounting that up soon to see how it clears vs the MX33.
@@ryanboone7389 so do you think i could run a 19x1.40 or 19x1.85 from woodyswheelworks in the back with the offset and run a 100/90-19 or 90/100-19 in the back without having to remove the kickstand?
@@Ace01010 We also offer the same exact wheels and have 18" black Tusk, gold or blue Excel's, and 90/100-18 tires/tubes/rim strips currently in stock for faster delivery. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/wheels/products/18-charged-custom-rear-wheel-for-sur-ron?variant=39382093201603
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dirt tires test should be tested in dirt tho :p this says nothing. lets test supermoto tires in dirt next...
This test was specifically designed to highlight the size and weight different in acceleration in a controlled environment (perfect traction). Keep an eye out for our upcoming lap times shootout where we test various wheels sizes on different dirt tires on a familiar dirt track.
I’m lost need help!!!
Take the second left after you've passed the old oak tree
controlling start n stop as driver cant be accurate
Tires go on wheels not rims. The rim is just the edge of the wheel.
hmmmm, you might want to contact Excel and tell them that all of their marketing is wrong and that they should not call their rims, ah rims....
@@ChargedCycleWorks He's right, rim is the outside of the "wheel". Hence why it's wheel and tires... Never say I need some new rims in a bicycle store because they will laugh 🤣🤣
@@bslothed3211no they won't... we call them rims.