$350 Bandit 1200 - I Took A Gamble And Lost - Update / 70,000 Mile Review - EP5
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2020
- The long awaited super cheap Bandit 1200 update is here and it's not good news. After months of working to get a legal Missouri bonded title I must sell the bike which I go over. I really love this bike and it saddens me to have to let it go but it could have been worse.
Ultimately what happened was a lack of good information as I purchased the bike as it was illegally sold while still having an active lein on it which I was not made aware of until it was too late. The silver lining here comes in 3 parts here as I was able to revive another bike and enjoy it for a while, I was able to put the bike and its past owner back in contact, and I was able to get a crash course in possession legality and deeper processes for title/ownership issues. This entire situation could have been much worse if the involved parties were not as open to working with me.
All in all I did get to experience what a Bandit 1200 is like and I am beyond impressed for many reasons. Even though this machine has over 70,000 miles on it I would not hesitate to take it anywhere. The bike is very comfortable, has gobs of torque, sounds amazing, and looks great! The S model has the small front fairing which offered perfect wind protection to help on those longer rides. Compared to my 1st gen FZ1 this had zero shake at high speed and never felt out of control save for the rear end being loose under heavier braking. Oh yea wheelies are fun too! If I find another deal on one of these bikes in the future I will try to pick one up as I just know I will very much miss this thing.
Thank you for sticking with me through the Bandit series. I hope I was able to teach a it on reviving a non running bike, things to look out for, and a real impression on what riding one is like.
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Once I almost bought a bike without title that seemed to be a great deal and the guy suggested I use a “private title company” that specializes in helping get a clean title for about $200 but then I called my local DMV office and the lady recommended not to go through with the purchase because it can turn into a real nightmare and more than likely I would never be able to get a clear title as she has seen this happened many times before. Moral of the story...no title, no money. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Been there, done that
When in doubt, swap frames from a “breaker”
Clean title, clean owner
Yea I know I could have but I felt I had too much paperwork tying me to this bike and felt it wasn't worth the potential heat to come with it
In six months from now, it will all be a memory my friend, thanks for posting
This was about 2 years ago now actually. Still good memories though
Thank you for a great video. Sorry that it turned out badly for you but it was nice of you to show others how things can wrong. It only takes one scamming rat anywhere in the chain of title/possession to make it a mess. Glad you got your purchase money back. Stay safe out there & enjoy riding (other bikes since this one is no longer an option).
At least you resurrected the bike and someone will get to enjoy it. Enjoyed the videos.
That's such a shame mate. After all your work on the bike and the paper work. Hope you can find a " no strings attached " one in the future.
I too was impressed by the bandit. I have the 05 anniversary . Great bike.
Thanks for the ride.
I try to see the silver lining and this situation could have been much worse actually. It was a really good crash course in learning more legality type stuff and bonding processes. Hopefully the guy comes through on me and we can part ways both happy.
Sorry to hear. I started watching your channel cause of this bike. I recently bought a first gen Bandit 1200s and rebuilt the fuel petcock from the video you posted. Hang in there and keep up the content man.
Oh and I live here in Illinois and IDOT/DMV with whole vehicle registration is a huge mess. Constant title issues and getting them corrected can be a huge pain. Many bikes I've passed up on because of a title problem.
But best of luck and ride safe. 👍
Damn man thats exactly what I've experienced here. I'll get something else but I likely won't beat this deal(aside from the title mess) for a while.
What a bummer..sorry for your loss...thank you for sharing...i own a 1200s k6..awesome motorcycle
I appreciate it but I see a lot of positive here. I got to experience the bike and make some content. The previous owner got to get it back and save his credit. He was a solid dude so it worked out very well for not going that great. I do miss the bike though
Sorry you had to go through this, brother. You did the right thing tho (at cost to you), and I'm glad to hear that it ended with a peaceful resolution at the end.
Yeah I of course wish I could have kept the bike but it really worked out the best it could have. Absolutely zero negative feelings toward the original owner. Glad I got to enjoy it and almost break even
Keeping everything aside dude that is a beautiful Bandit!
Twas a good looking bike fore sure.
Dude you’ll get my subscription and many more for the knowledge you’ve passed on in every way. Get yourself another fixer upper with paper and we will all enjoy your content
I appreciate that! I've picked up a few more bikes actually and the GS550 is the current personal project to get up and running.
Niiice, I run a old but gorgeous looking FZ6 . Very excited to tune in my brother
Sorry to hear that 😞
Yea I was really confident upon submitting my docs and it all backfired for sure. Assuming it didn't have a lein it would have been an OK process.
Dang, sorry to see something like this happen. I'm redoing my 03 1200 bandit N, to me these are Suzukis best kept secret, hope you can find another one.
Its all good. The situation went better than it could have. After this I had a Buell for a minute to try out. I'm getting ready to build a GS550 with a GSX750 engine in it so very comparable to the Bandit power to weight
I hate that happened to you. I’ve owned a 2003 Bandit for several years and it’s been a blast. I got it for a good price likely due to a parasitic battery drain that I haven’t been able to track down. I hope you’re able to find another one.
Thanks. I miss this bike A LOT! I recently obtained a Buell Cyclone but it just didn't do it for me. I'll soon be starting on a new build with an older GS550 frame and a 93 Katana 750 engine. I will get to experience that sweet Suzuki 4 again!
@@BrickHouseBuilds Btw I forgot to compliment you on your videos in general. I’m envious of your skills. I subscribed today.
Well thank you and I appreciate that!
Such a pitty, you did an amazing job on reviving this bike. They really are a great bike! The torque on my 2010 1250s is awesome and go anywhere at anytime is re assuring.. hope u get another one..
Same here! I'll find something but I'll forever miss this bike.
Man, the whole ownership process in the US is just confusing and complicated! I'm in NZ and we pay $9.20 and the buyer fills out a form, shows their licence and puts the vehicle in their name with our national governing body. End of. I also have an identical bike to this and absolutely love it as a road machine! 👌🤙
Here in The Netherlands , i take the card with the bike/car title/info to the post office , they digitally make me the owner, i get a slip which proves it ws transferred to me to give the previous owner and i get a new card in the mail (last one i bought took only 1 day) usually takes 10 minutes.
Fellow Kiwi here, yeah the U.S way does seem weird to me too. Ive got an 86 GSX-R1100 which the bandit motor is based on, And a 2002 GS1200SS these motors are pretty much bullet proof, owner neglect/running them out of oil is pretty much the only way to kill them. Super easy to service with screw and locknut tappets. Great engines.
Crazy. UK issue a registration document to each new vehicle at first registration and it's the 'keeper'/person named on the document who is legally responsible for filling in the new owners details and sending that part of the document in to the authorities. New doc issued to new keeper within few weeks, for free.
@@davefloyd9443 That sounds like the way we used to do it in NZ, but some govt busy body with too much time on their hands decided that having a list of previous owners names and addresses on the ownership papers was an "invasion of privacy" so now its changed to how the OP described.
Ireland,te get the logbook, fill out new owner job done, comes back in your name, ye loss it,fill out a form get another one easy
I'm in the opposite boat. Just yesterday I picked up an 05 with 11k miles on it for 500$ but it looks like it was parked outside for years. Solid bones but so many little things rusted and/or oxidized. It wasn't modified but the wiring harness was hacked into for a bunch of stupid little add-ons. Also, it hasn't ran in years. And so the project begins!
A worthy project though!
Man, That Sucks! In Business/Contract Law class they told us that after an item has sold at least twice to "bona fide" purchasers that the original owner, even if stolen etc., no longer has a legal claim to the item. They would have to go to the party who stole it or sold it and try and get restitution from them. Problem here being that neither of the 2 previous "owners" ever had a legal title to it.Technically I would say that you might also have a legal lien/claim of some sort since you have now spent money and got it running. You definitely have no obligation to turn it over in any better shape than how you originally received it. In the end it is up to you. Good luck and you should be able to find another Bandit for a reasonable price. Take care.
Well im in contact with the actual title holder who plans to buy it back. It went into repossession as he wasn't paying on the lein Id guess because he had no clue where the bike was. He worked with me with titlemax but even to settle they want a stupid amount of money.
I did look into mechanics leins but its so convoluted with who actually has the legal power over the bike in who knows what state that all parties ive contacted think it wouldn't help.
That sucks dude, been watching you/your channel for a while now, as I have a project cx500 I've found a lot of inspiration from your build, oh and I have recently picked up a 2006 1200s bandit, as a hack here in the UK so was interested to see what you did with the old girl, guess that wont happen now.
I've had Kawasaki's, suzuki's and others but i'm more into my Honda's, have a couple of cx's projects (striped) and a vfr1200f . only picked the bandit up for doing a few track days and a hack to get to and from work, but the old bandit is something which has really impressed me too! #bombproofbikes.
Well I appreciate you watching the various videos! Yea, I very much wanted to tinker with this Bandit and do some better bars, carb clean, flush mount signals, and other small things as it evolved. Doesn't look possible now.
at least you have those open roads, here in the uk it is so crowded now. you've talked me into wanting a 1200s though haha
Yea in my area we have fantastic roads with minimal traffic. Absolutely try to ride one of these!
Thats a bummer man im sorry, i bought 2 bandits from an estate sale for 1k, deals are definitely out there just keep your eyes peeled.
Yea it was a long process to find out I couldn't keep it but man it worked out 1000x better than it could have. No hard feelings from me.
Oh, man, that sucks! In the UK, we have one agency that manages the licensing of all vehicles. They are difficult occasionally, but they are just one agency. It must he hellish dealing with a separate agency in each and every US state?! Still, you have some good memories of the Bandit and maybe you’ll find another…with a title. Good videos and good luck finding another.
Yea I wish there was more of a nation wide set of laws or something. I definitely tried every avenue for this one and I simply had no power in the matter. Even though I didn't get to keep it, it worked out better than it could have. The previous owner was cool and really proved to be a stand up guy. I always keeping my eyes out for another Bandit but to scratch the itch I'm getting ready to start on a GS550 powered by a Katana 750 engine so it will have a better power to weight than the Bandit! Much excite
Surely the police can do a nationwide search?
great video !!!
Thank you, it was fun to make!
My first motorcycle was a 2001 Bandit 600S that I loved!
Fun bikes!
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You seem to have bought into a bit of a bureaucratic nightmare, complicated by different states' licencing laws. Here in UK, we have "log book" (actually it's more of a 2-page form) for each vehicle. At the time of sale, vendor & purchaser fill in parts of it & the new owner sends the form off to the Government agency which deals with such matters (Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency). It goes without saying that it's up to the purchaser to do the research regarding the vehicle's legal status.
I still have my 1997 600 Bandit, bought new. I'll have to get it back on the road. Just needs some "fettling". Great bikes! Good luck sorting out the legals on this bike.
@@stephenphillip5656 well it was the first time I've had an issue. Completely down to incorrect info from the State. Worked out well for going bad.
Was looking into buying a nice fj1200 near me that had no title. Glad I skipped lol. Thanks for the video.
This is the only time I've been bitten. This was due to poor information from the Illinois DOR. I did my due diligence and they failed here
I'm actually really glad i didn't go through the bonded title process for the Buell S3T i had. Thankfully the previous owner was willing to buy it back because forfeiting that bike to someone would've killed me.
That would have hurt!
here in the uk both myself and my son owned 1200 bandits .fine machines .
Thats why I recently bought another. Just missed this one!
This was 3 years ago but I've just watched the series now. Shame. You can get another bike but you can never regain a lost reputation. Here in Europe things are different. I'm a Brit ex-pat living in Germany and most European countries have centralised vehicle registration agencies which are also linked to Interpol. Of course bikes still get stolen but they end up being either taken to other Eastern European countries like Russia or they get stripped for parts and the frame with the VIN gets scrapped. I know the US is really big but with modern computer technology it wouldn't be impossible to centralise vehicle registration. This of course would mean that every state would have to give up it's autonomy on this issue but it would be much easier and cheaper for vehicle buyers and sellers to change and check vehicles. It would also standardise paperwork and vehicle inspection practices throughout the US.
Well I'm only mad at Illinois with the poor information they gave me. It worked out better than it could have all things considered. I have my dream Bandit now so it all worked out
It hurts my soul to know that poor thing is wrecked now. Such a pretty bike. Glad you have your new one now
I know it's brutal. In this video it had its flaws but I was purposely not fixing them until I knew I could get a title. It was still in great shape though
@@BrickHouseBuilds not perfect but for a bike with 70k insanely clean! Id give an arm and a leg for a Yoshi can that clean too!
@TheGorillaBiker oh man and to think the current owner TOOK IT OFF!?
@@BrickHouseBuilds so you're saying it's available? Scuse me I've an arm and a leg to remove 😂
Carbs need new emulsion tubes and needles that will 100% fix your flat spot!! 164kk on my 2000 B1216
Sorry for the loss man, had the exact same thing happen to a GSXR1100 (1998) funny enough I still have it and its been 7 years since .... I will be refiling for a bonded title.
I have 2003 FZ1000, would love to own a Bandit 1200/1250 too. Low and and midrange torque is great .
The FZ I had was fantastic. Tough call to say l liked the Bandit more. Couldn't have a bad time on either
Fz is the better bike.
That sux man... I hope you can get onto another one
Yea I miss that thing but it worked out better than it could have for sure. I did recently get a GS550 with no title and am trying the Vermont route for that one.
I'm going through the same exact thing you are but the guy died in the bikes paid off and it's only got eight thousand miles on it
I’m in Massachusetts lots of bikes going back to the 70s low mileage like 30 plus years old 10k most say carbs need work sitting for years, you probably will get what you expected but when I see a ninja that looks like it’s been driving this summer and it says think it needs fuel pump- I doubt that’s the problem -
Thats pretty much how simple this one was. Just needed a petcock rebuild. It filled itself with fuel and was hydrolocked.
Sorry to hear that but if it was way too cheap I would be very suspicious
It worked out better than I could have hoped given the situation. I buy many cheap bikes and always do my homework but this was at the fault of the Illinois dmv giving inaccurate information
I had a similar one with a 1983 Suzuki GS1100E, sold three times before me, without registering the bike. The mistake was having my friend take delivery, I should have had my friend take a photo of the title BEFORE handing over the cash. If I saw the title, I would have told the seller to leave the bike on the truck, my fault. The seller lied to me about the condition and title of the bike. It took me a year to clear the title, and I finally had to go back to the original owner and transfer the title from the seller to me. In the end, lost a ton of time and money, and got rid of that GS1100E. But the person who bought my bike got clear title.
You definitely did the right thing by putting in the work though. People can get so lazy with this simple piece of paper and cause so many headaches
The hesitation on low throttle is a common trait on the k series bandits,these have kehein carbs fitted, earlier bandits have mikunis fitted
Noted
Expensive ride
Luckily I only lost a couple hundred bucks on the whole deal. The previous owner was a stand up guy and bought it for a fair price
Lesson learned, one door shuts another will open with your skills, look foward not back, you got off kind of lightly. Easily said though.
Oh this went really well for not going good. Not mad at anyone other than the Illinois DOR.
I'm thinking of swapping out my naked SV1000 for a bandit. The seat on the SV gets a bit much after 300km. Looks like the Bandit would be as happy commuting as it would touring.
Having owned a naked sv650 I can say the Bandit seat is more accommodating for longer rides
@@BrickHouseBuilds Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm checking out a 1250 with a stage 3 Commander, race suspension set up and upgraded cams. The seller says they have dyno charts that put it at 150hp. Might be a few too many ponies for me, but it sounds like a blast. 🤪
@@DmacDomage but smooth cruisable ponies!
In my experience, if the DMV doesn't satisfy you, simply try again at another location, the result may be very different!
Very important to be patient and polite with the dmv employees
Moral of the story: Clean/Clear. Titles. Only. Stay away from all others, unless you are a licensed dealer & you know what you are doing. I mourn your loss...
Of 6 non titled bikes Ive started with this is the first to bite me. I knew it was a risk but I still fully blame Illinois on giving me incorrect information as I explained. I had fun with the bike, made some content, got the previous owner back on it so he can get back to making payments and not mess his credit up, and learned a lot. There is always a silver lining
That sucks man. I’ve done plenty of bonded titles on bikes but I’ve never bought anything out of the state I live in and had a code enforcement officer check the bike before purchase.
Yea it was definitely a hard hit but could have been much worse. That first bit of incorrect information sent me down a long frustrating path. I really do blame Illinois on this.
@@BrickHouseBuilds I would blame them to that’s just ridiculous. Most of the bikes I buy to rebuild are total basket cases so I’ve been pretty lucky. Best wishes to ya man. If your ever in Georgia we need to ride man!
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That's a bummer dude we have a different system in Scotland/UK . I wouldn't buy a bike without all it's MOT certificates because they tell you millage every year on the bike . I'm not sure what the US version is but it's a health check your bikes fit for the road and has to be done every year it's £40 to get done but it's illegal to ride without one the first two years it doesn't need one but the millage is in its service book for the first 2 years if you don't get it serviced for the first 2 years it invalidates yours 2 year warranty, it's handy if your npbike has a full service history to and stamped by a dealer in the service book , but some people like to service their own bikes like me but keep the receipts on what you have bought . The fewer the owners the better that shows up on your vehicle registration document and how many owners your bikes had . So that document and MOT certificates are compulsory, services in the manual are not , but with MOT certificates you know the bike has never had it's millage messed around with as only a MOT center can check your bike idps fit for the road,if it fails it's MOT the problem must be fixed like chain and sprockets,tyres ,breaks ,leaking forks , anything which makes the bike unfit for the road you have 48 hrs for them to fix it or another garage or themselves but it must pass on the things it failed after fixing . A bike with not MOTs or some people walk away it's risky because it could have had it's millage tampered with .
Lots of info in there but yes very different here. The issue was not a safety thing but incorrect ownership information I got from a state government agency.
Now how many miles you covered till date?? Any engine work done till date?? And yamaha and suzuki which brand engine is more reliable??
I explained in this video that I dont own the bike any longer
That sucks, sounds like a nightmare, great bikes though have had a few, did ye say you had a fz1, fazer1000?
It was a tough go of it but in the end it worked out better than it could have with the original owner buying the bike back. I had a first gen Fazer 1000 yes. Also a fantastic bike
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I tried to translate and it seems you are asking how stiff or hard something is? I just want to understand the question so I can help.
@@BrickHouseBuilds hello my fault, i was trying to say : how sad is to know what happend with the bandit, because i have one and i was fixing the same that you were fixing, now im going to continue with the transformation blind jajaja
Oh hahaha I understand! You should absolutely check killswitchqueen on here as she bought a Bandit 1200 when I did and documents a ton of great tech on the bike. Very cool channel!
strip it , for parts , sell them the frame with the numbers , and buy a frame and rebuild it
As I said I have too many papers linking me to the bike and don't want anyone coming after me.
My one rule when buying vehicles - No title, No Sale, No way.
Thats normally a goal but sometimes I can justify it. This bike and the issues I had was due to bad info from Illinois. They really messed me up on this one. At the end of the day though the deal worked out good and I have noting but best wishes for the owner.
I know I'm late to the party, but this really sucks. Karma has ya covered.
Yeah it was unfortunate but worked out the best it could have. I'm beyond happy with my current Bandit
That just plain suks.I just looked at a 1200s for 2500.I will offer 1800 today.The way you drove it makes me think you were the best person for this bike.V max is only other bike that can beat or tie this bike.I saw the video of this bike on nitrous and we all know how fast that was hehe.Well at least you're alive because that bike can put a hurt on less skilled riders than you.Great video
Thanks John! It did suck but the situation went as good as it could have gone for not being in my favor. The guy kept his word and bought it back from me when he legally didn't have to. I miss the bike for sure!
If you want another stock windscreen let me know. I've got one from mine. I pulled the bikini fairings because the headlights were so terrible.
Oh, nevermind. If the new owner wants another windscreen then.
I dont have this bike anymore as I explain. Thank you though
So much for the old saying, “Possession is 9/10ths of the law.” That’s obviously not the case.
What a bummer, dude.
Yea I talked to the police, the dmv, county courthouse, my bond agency, and Missouri dor and all basically said I don't have a solid platform to fight from on this one. It really hurts.
Man thats some bullshit, i just got the exact bike and id be furious if i had to unwillingly return it. Someone would be getting it back with huge hole in the motor. Hope everything pans out well for you though buddy.
Luckily this guy seems decent and is willing to buy it from me. Even at a loss it could be worse.
Well you win some and lose some…nice videos anyway. Sort it out quickly with the old owner, and move on to greater things.
Yeah and even this loss wasn't bad. More emotionally draining than anything. Anyway I now have another Bandit so Im set.
That’s sad mate.
Yea it was really unfortunate but it worked out as good as it could have for the situation. I do very much miss that bike
@@BrickHouseBuilds I had a 97 1200 bandit. Unfortunately I sold it because I developed copd and I struggled with the weight. I was 64 when I bought it. I will never forget the experience.
@@knightsway100 that is unfortunate for sure but maybe in time you can get something to scratch that itch for another
What do you consider high miles for a used dual sport bike ?
Thats a tough call. What I look for is how well they were maintained and if the bike has a clear history. Obviously sometimes (like this bike) I cant know that before hand. My klr650 has just over 12,000 miles on it, is well maintained, and runs flawless. I expect it to pretty much last forever. A more street oriented bike will have more miles but those owners like to maintain their stuff so something with 30k, 40k, 50k still wouldn't scare me
What an absolute shame after getting her up and running :-(
It was unfortunate but it really couldn't have worked out better than it did. The original owner was a very stand up guy and what ultimately happened felt fair. This just means I need another Bandit 1200
Sorry - YOUR mistake, IMHO. I would never consider buying any vehicle without complete paperwork/title. Yep, you took a gamble, and lost. Sorry. But- don't give up on the old Bandit 1200's. Mine has 175,000 miles on it (yes, I've rebuilt the motor).. with careful mods it is an AMAZING bike. Mine has been all over the US and also does trackdays.
Actually, it was the Illinois DORs fault for giving me incorrect information. I did all my leg work and due diligence. Not an opinion. I had even vin checked and ran title history before I bought it. I had even paid a surety bond.
bro how sad !
Yea I miss that bike but at the end of the day I know the right moves were made and I feel good about it. I have a nice Suzuki build coming up that will help fill the void left by the Bandit though 😎
@@BrickHouseBuilds Great attitude bro, good things are coming for you thats the way the universe works ! will be looking foreward to seeing what you come up with in your next videos thanks for the petcock rebuild very good info . Pierre.
I think for your next bike you need another Bandit 1200!
You won't be disappointed. GS550 with a 750 katana engine is up next
@@BrickHouseBuilds Whoa, baby!!
First clue to an issue should have been a 2005 bandit 1200 for $350. Unless it was a complete basket case there would be no reason to sell it that cheap.
Not at all. Id been watching the ad for months slowly drop price. You don't think it was listed for $350 right? Not many people want to go through the title process that I am willing to do. I buy bikes cheaper than this often. This is the only time I've been bitten and it was due to poor information from Illinois. I did my leg work.
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That’s was cheap I get my for trade and is a fast bike I made it like custom and change the handlebar for one like gxsr and couple things more
that motor was suzuki race motor back in late 80s
Similar architecture yes
Fix it all up and give it to the guy who got screwed by his friend . it would be a Mirada and good luck for you.
Thats what I did. I talked about it and showed it in the video. Worked out well
At least you are honest and the fella is getting his bike back but it sucks ,,lack luster official bullshiters ,,here in Northern Ireland I just bought one year 2000 19000 miles,, for good money,, and here with it being a small place ,,be rare to get sold a pup ,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ hope you get a good resolution,,
It was unfortunate but couldn't have worked out better for being the situation it was. He got the bike back, was a very stand up guy, I recouped my costs, got to make content and experience a great bike. We all won.
If you had an identical "parts bike" with a clean title, this would be an excellent bargain. With a lean of that amount, I'm betting that POS owner knew exactly what happened to that bike.
After meeting and dealing with the previous owner I have nothing but good feelings towards him. He seemed genuine and honest. He could have burned me on this but was a very stand up guy to deal with. It all played out the best it could have for how crappy the situation was
Isn't it illegal to buy without title?? o_O??
No, common misconception
A big lesson here is how messed up y'all's registration and DMV system is. Why it's not a nationally coordinated system... meh!
Anyway, sad to see it didn't work out but at least you didn't sink a lot of money into it.
Agreed, I understand states want their tax revenue but a common system across the country would be nice. Surly this could have been easier
So if someone else sold the bike without his permission, couldn't he just register it as stolen and get the cops involved?
I'm guessing he didn't get the money..
It was his cousin so not sure how it went down. He had been looking for thr bike but I found him so it worked out in his favor. Went well for going bad though
Well 350 dollars should of raised some questions
I buy many cheap bikes. This one didn't go in my favor but couldn't have gone much better for going bad. No risk no reward
Moral of the story is just don't buy no-title vehicles period.
Not really. I have had all successes to this point. It does add a big complication but with the right research it doesn't have to be impossible. Illinois DOR gave me incorrect information on this which is why it didn't work.
$350 with factory nice paint ???? your sure you mean $2350 ???? come on now you just won the lotto here!!!!
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The Bandit 1200s is a classic. Sad for your loss. Just have to find another.
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yeeeah ..i by one for 40 box too..mother f...r ..
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The moral of the story is to never buy a bike with no title. Unless it's to be used for parts. And they are for sale like that in big numbers, "barn find" or it will say "barn find, and as usual no title", or it will say "lost title". That's a lie, if a title is lost a replacement copy can be obtained from the state. There's nothing usual about it, they all have a paper trail, and you can never be the legitimate owner of them. This guy would have been better off to just ride it using his bill of sale to get registration and never take it beyond that. Once you start poking around in it's paper trail, it ends up in a quagmire of legalese with no good outcome. About the only thing he could do is take it to the company with the lien on it, offering it for repossession, and then try to buy it from them. But they'd no doubt put it up for sale and others might bid on it. But with 70K miles it wouldn't get top dollar.
I've bought a few with no title and this is the first to bite me. The Illinois dmv gave me incorrect information causing all of this. Proving its not stolen and with no lein and providing proof of purchase can enable you to go for a bonded title, declatory ownership, abandoned, or even out of state registrations that can then be transfered back into your name in your state. Its up to the buyer to do the homework and determine it the project is worth the time and money. I bought this for $300 and had it running for minimal cash. It didn't work out how I wanted but it could have been much worse. I could have owned this bike but I wasn't willing to spend what was required. People (too many) actually lose titles and only they can apply for a replacement. If that person is dead or unwilling to spend the time to do it than you can't go that route. In my state you can't register without a title so all the riding I was doing was technically illegal but I wasn't going to let this sit.
@@BrickHouseBuilds I've read that if you have a bill of sale you can get a registration. Maybe that's true in some states, but every time I've registered a vehicle they wanted to see the title, and issued a new title in my name. I've never tried to register one without a title, but It must be possible. If you can do that I'd never take it beyond that point for a no-title vehicle. It could end up in the dead end trap like you got caught in. I'm actively looking for a bike now, and I see quite a lot of them listed with lost titles, or it just says no title. I'm passing all of them by. Even though some are really cheap.
@@tedstriker754 Innsome states like Vermont you can obtain a registration with a bill of sale and some supporting docs. That registration is your proof of ownership that you present to your state to then title. Its easier to stay away but im in the business of flipping bikes so this is occasionally something I do. You just have to read up on the various info.
Having just discovered your channel this post is new to me. You have my sympathies for not being able to keep the bike after all your time and effort.
I have a '99 1200S and it is an awesome bike. It has a special place in my heart - it used to belong to my dear cousin, who lost his battle with cancer in 2016 at the age of 52. So now Zelda, as he named her, is in my care. Until you find another I invite you to check out the playlist on my channel: czcams.com/play/PLwCBDcJ8uc8ho4E5dFCeu11XSJAoxXz8n.html
I miss this bike every single day but the situation went as good as it could have for going bad. I am almost ready to start a new build from a GS550 frame in which I will fit a Katana 750 engine with 100hp so that will take the place of this bike!
I wouldnt tell that it has more than 30000 miles according to its condition. 350 is really cheap!
Sorry I hear that, but at the worst I would part the bike out, I wouldnt return it back, no way!
Yea I think it was in darn good shape and still feel it had a single older owner as evidence by my title history records I had. I just felt I had my name on too many documents tying the bike to me to part it out. I ended up selling it to its previous owner for $500 so I lost a bit but it could have been much much worse
@@BrickHouseBuilds Well, I understand both sides here...
You will buy another one. Good luck.
@@motomehanicar459 Yea I'm positive ill have another. I didn't get to mod this one to my liking!
Giant red 🚩, $350.
Not so much actually. I did my due diligence before the purchase but the poor information I was given caused all of this headache. This is the price point I buy a lot of stuff at and this is really the first time I got bit. I think it was still worth it even now for the education I got on it and the killer miles on the bike while it lasted.
@@BrickHouseBuilds trying to remember how much i sold my 2003 1200s for in 2008 and I wanna say $2800. So, maybe you're not far off in 2021. But jeez, I would think a bike like that would go for more than $350
@@djbowler3333 He had it for sale for a long time and I had been watching him drop the price for a couple months on it before contacting and going to look. I talked him down to that 350
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@@BrickHouseBuilds Put „uck“ to the F! I‘m sorry that the outcome was like this. I own a 04 GSF 1200S that is sitting in my garage since..... I don‘t know.... 2012 ???? Now I like to get her back on the street. That was the reason for me to search for videos that might help me with the project. Regards from Germany. Olaf
@@peer-olafkremer4715 Oh sorry lol. You never know in the comments section what people mean sometimes. Definitely get that thing back on the road and enjoy it!
American systems are weird as fuck .
Some yes, some are easy and logical
Nvr buy any thing with out a title..what where u thinking?Lesson learned ...
Ive bought more than a few things without the title with great sucess. As explained in this video I did all the correct legwork before the purchase to make sure I was in the clear but got bit by incorrect information from the Illinois DOR. Had I had know there was a lien on the bike I wouldn't have touched it.
you gave actual dollars for a vehicle with no title willingly and figured everything was on the level? really?
Did you listen to what I said in the video? I very clearly described what the issue was. I've bought many without titles and have always been successful as I do my research and proper legwork on making them legal. This issue was caused by bad info from the Illinois DMV.
@@BrickHouseBuilds this issue was caused by you handing over money for zero proof of ownership. blaming the gov for your mistakes is wishful thinking at best. perhaps you will learn from your mistakes. but i'm guessing this is a "cautionary tale" and not an actual incident. a warning to novice internet buyers.
Again you didn't listen here. I did a lot of legwork before I even looked at the bike. Had multiple state vin history reports, recorded calls, surety bond, check with authorities, etc. All before I bought it