Bandit 1200 - New Handlebars and Mirrors - Everything Went Wrong!
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2023
- Bandit 1200 gets new handlebars and mirrors but everything went wrong in the process! This will be the longest handlebar swap video in the history of man! My goal was to install some tracker style handlebars and clean bar end mirrors but along the way everything went sideways and I ended up with a different combination than originally planned. All in all I love the setup so it was a blessing in disguise! Sit back and laugh at my pain!
As I went to link parts I purchased from revival it seem I may have bought the last of their stock of both LSL handlebars as well as any Oberon mirror! The links provided are to the parts used but not necessarily where I bought them. These were already hard to find but now it's unreasonably difficult to find via US based source.
Original LSL Flat Track Handlebars: www.lsl-online.nl/en/detail/2...
LSL Superbike handlebars: www.lsl-online.nl/en/detail/2...
Oberon Bar End Mirrors: toxicmotoracing.com/oberon-pe...
Oberon Bar End Mirror Clamp: www.oberon-performance.co.uk/...
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I'm that 1 weirdo that loves stock mirrors and absolutely hates bar end mirrors.
Na not a weirdo at all. Some bikes have good mirrors but others I always want to change
To each their own.
Well you're not alone, I also very much don't like bar end mirrors, but this actually looked kinda clean and decent.
Nah, im right there with you.
Another weirdo here. 🙂
Hello Matt from Sussex U K I have owned both 600 and 1200 Suzuki Bandits and both are brilliant bikes. My 1200 did not have the faring and was the burgundy colour. When I changed the bars the only snag was drilling the holes for the switchgear but after a few thrown spanners and expletives every thing fell into place. I still have my 1200 and I would not part with it because it does all I want it to do It has a Scorpion end can and with the baffles removed only one grub screw it sounds fruity but not mega loud. I love the engine it's so smooth and pulls like a train. Yes, they were built on a budget by Suzuki but they hit the nail on the head when they put the 600 and 1200 together both bikes have a massive following in England and there are a few online clubs for 600 and 1200 owners. Keep up the great vlogs. Matt' UK
I am really liking this channel. He's a fellow Missouri boy. Hell it's just like going to your neighbors garage with a 12 pack for admission and hanging out and helping here and there. Watching him work on cool bikes. Those bar end mirrors really make that Susie pop nice job!
Well I'm glad you felt like it was a good hang out 🤘
You have Great patience and that is why you are a Great mechanic, keep up the great work.
Thank you! Motorcycles definitely require patience
Hairspray as lubricant for grips 👍
I have tried hairspray and even paint but have never had the best of luck actually. For me it has always been brake clean to help melt them into place lol
Ive got the same bike in red - a '98- Ive been wanting to do a handlebar swap for something to ease the geometry on my back and wrists, but have prevaricated because I anticipate needing longer cables...
This video is very helpful, but also very comforting to know that its not only my 'one hour' jobs that end up taking all day !
Great content. Great bike.
Glad you enjoyed! I feel this was about the max you could go before needing cables but something similar should be easy
Just subscribed. You are a great talented mechanik. So creativ and carefully working! And by the way, I like the sportier look of the 2nd handlebar much more. How ever, great job man!
🙏🙏
Black blind rubber grommets fill the holes in the lugs that held the standard mirrors on the master cylinder clamps, just finishes them off and stops them filling with water and corroding.
I had a buddy with a Bandit 1200, those are great bikes. Yours is lovely.
So much fun indeed! Thank you much
Reminds me of the time I decided to put drag bars on my VFR 400 , lol . I had to change everything ! Lesson learned .
Some days it just be like that lol
Way to keep at it. Bike looks great can’t wait to see it.
Thanks man!
You did a superb job on those bars and mirrors and the setbacks during the job you handled well. I would have been pulling my hair out! Bike looks gorgeous, especially with the green colour. Enjoy the ride mate.
Thanks so much!
Welcome to the life of working on old motorcycles. Awesome content.
Haha normally it's the more intense jobs that give me trouble at this point
Love bar ends set up well ..much better than stock
They look sharp on it. Great vibe👍
Thank ya!
Ugh I feel you on the "wasted time." Ive spent over 3 days trying to fix a fuel sending unit on a Kawasaki Vulcan I just picked up. Obsolete part, not available. I had to fabricate part of it, tested it, adjusted it, tested again, worked, got it in the tank, filled it up, fuel gauge working, test ride, dead gauge again.
Just gotta roll with it. Props for all the work going into your orginal plan even though it didnt work out. Im sure you'll find a use for those parts eventually. Looking forward to seeing builds in the new shop! Keep up the good work 👍
Yeah it was costly on the time scale for sure! I have had many bikes just fight me to the breaking point with things like that. The end result here was actually better than the original plan so Im very happy.
I have that same bike and just installed a set of Renthal road bike low bars. I really like the way they feel. I'm looking forward to your upcoming open house on the 30th. I will be there along with one or two of my coworkers.
Heck yeah man!
Bro, at the 35:50 mark....😂...don't quit your day job!!🤣🤣 Just kiddin'...great video so far!! Nice job!! The bike looks great!!!🙌🏻 😃 🙌🏻 Takin' the R1200RT out for spin now!! Keep'em comin' brother!!
Sweet, I really enjoy your fab and electrical work,
Thanks!
It proves the point that some jobs that appear easy aren’t always so. I feel your pain.
It happens to all of us. Made for a great video lol
Thank you so much for accepting comments and I think you did reply to a comment that I made on another video. Thank you. So here's a question. At the beginning of this video, you're sitting at the desk talking about how you had to replace a bar mirror on the cafe Honda. So there you are, and if you look up there is a shelf with little dispensing containers. There is fluid in those containers that I have seen you use. Would you ever share about what you have there and what they are used for? Hmmm? Just wondering. 🤔
Thanks! Those little containers are great. I have acetone, oil, grease, brake fluid, and maybe more. Keeps things efficient for me
I too have run into a bunch of bar-end related issues that has taken much time away from more interesting projects. Pain in the butt. No worries, just part of the game. She is looking proper BTW. Just gorgeous.
The biggest frustration here was the silver bar end. Like HOW was that going to work? Wrong packaging? Who measured the brass parts? So many questions lol
It made for great viewing but I really do empathise, watching your horror day unfold made me recall my own experience a little while back.
Nothing to do with bikes but I had a day like that at work, even the simplest thing seemed to go belly up.
It actually started to feel like I'd been pranked.
Finally I went to scan off the job on the computer and of course the program kept freezing.
That was it, i threw down the mouse in a fit of rage, it bounced up of the work bench, hit the monitor and smashed the screen.
Luckily my section leader turned a blind eye, probably knew how I felt.
Anyway, the bike looks awesome!
We all have these days but often don't realize it. It's nice to see so many empathize with this one! I had a moment like that computer mouse recently with a label printer 😬
@@BrickHouseBuilds Yeah, I know the feeling of escalating frustration only too well, so thanks for sharing yours!
Nice, superb engineering skills... 👍.
Thank ya! I wasn't expecting to have to engineer a bar swap but here we are lol
Looks great!
Thanks Ken!
Anything that makes filtering more difficult is a no-go for me, even tough I find bar-end mirrors VERY sexy.
These would definitely hinder that but I've never filtered so I can't say it's a negative for me at this point
I once had a CB set up like the one on your other table. Took me forever to get it back to stock and loved it for one month. Then it was stolen to never be seen again.
Oh many thats unfortunate!
I think that it turned out really good.
I love the end result for sure
Turned out great
That it did! Better than anticipated!
Nice job and felt your pain 😢
Thank ya! Yeah, frustrating that day but worth it in the end
It may be possible that the factory mirror adhesive was flexible on purpose -- maybe to dampen vibration or expansion-contraction cycles of the metal mounting plate. Just a thought. I've found that polyurethane construction adhesives and/or elastomeric sealants -- both in caulking tubes -- are pretty good for similar applications. Cheers
Definitely could have been
I've got bar end mirrors and Renthal bars. They are pretty thick. To hold the mirrors there's an expanding piece that slides into the bars that looks exactly the same as an expanding masonry bolt body, rawlbolts were call them over here. Works a treat. Maybe all you needed to do was to go to the hardware store.
Right thats a normal setup and something Oberon even offers. The brass parts work the same but for some reason the stuff that I received just didn't even come close.
Glad I'm not the only one who sometimes gets a little "wrapped around the axle" on something that should be so easy.
Famous last words... This should only take about an hour.
Oh for sure! We all have days like this but unfortunately sometimes mine end up on camera. It's all good though
Chin up man, in the end you did it, if you reaaaally want them higher you could get spacers for the clamp that goes into the triple tree and also, you have the other mount as spares you can either use on another bike (or the same but later along the way) orr make it some good money if they are not so easy to find. But yea... it was the definition of a rollercoaster, but ill say it was worth it, it looks nice.
Oh I love the results!
It's always more of a pain in the butt then you think it's gonna be. Glad I'm not the only one. : )
Definitely. Nothing ever goes 100% right but this was so far the other way lol
I love the meticulous high standards you work to and your attitude that no problem is insurmountable! I would have bought an off the shelf solution for those bar ends...... the fact that that never even seemed to occur to you says a lot about you buddy!
Well I appreciate that! I was hell bent on using the parts I bought but it just didn't work out. Im not mad as the end result was even better!
If you ever need any aluminum round bar let me know.
As painful as I'm sure this was for you, it's kind of nice to know that even you face these kinds of days, and these things really can be quite difficult.
Exactly. I always try to show that it's always simple
Bar swap, exhaust swap, crank swap, piston swap... I'll watch all of it! :)
Hahaha some builds are just that!
I'me not the only one to have days like that, shit happens, but tomorrow will be a whole lot better though (hopefully).
We all have these days! Mine just happen to be on camera lol. First ride with the new setup made it all worth it
Amazing results. Too bad Honda chose to quit making those little boxer engines. But, I know a guy with a GL650. 🤔
I feel your pain. Sometimes it's just a shitty day in the garage.
Yeah it happens. At least the results were awesome!
Nice job BJ. Forest green Bandit looks awesome. Getting in the new shop is just around the corner. Enjoyed the video and RIDE SAFE OUT THERE!
Thanks Henry! Tomorrow we are moving more stuff
Having 2 locations means you need double of each tool.. 🤣
For real lol
I bought an 03 fz1 (very similar bike to your bandit) and had so many days like this with it.
Mad respect for keeping your cool, I was not this calm.
I actually had a first gen FZ1 and it was amazing! I miss it
@BrickHouseBuilds I absolutely love mine. I want to get a bandit and make it my pure touring bike.
The fazer makes a lot more power than the bandit, but it's a lot less torquey.
By The end it looks good 👌
That it does. The end result was actually better
Man, I was feelin' your pain. I walk away from a project and revisit it when the frustration has left my soul. In the end it usually works out, as did your project. Now ya get to put more miles and smiles on that awesome bike!
I'm a big proponent to walking away to relax the mind but yeah this one was testing me lol
Good job as usual. Do you intend to fill up or cover the holes of the previous mirrors ?
Thank ya! I've been looking at those spots getting ideas to either clamp on an accessory or to replace with a smooth clamp. Undecided at this point
I run bar end mirrors on my VTR. I agree they aren't the best looking but at least I can see past my elbows!
The visibility is always great to have assuming they aren't vibrating
At 50:20 I thought you had a poltergeist 👻 that was lowering the other bike sitting on the lift…I was like dang “That’s all he needs now after that battle!”🫣 Maybe it knocked over that tote box as well!🫣👻It came out looking nice BJ.👍🏻
Hahaha yeah that thing kept dropping little by little. Thought it was fun to keep in there lol
I think the second set of bars look much better than the bars that you were going to fit 👍✌️✌️
I definitely agree
Phew! I was shouting ‘Just remake the brake cable!’ at the screen. I’m exhausted….
Yeah it was a process
We all end up with little crap like that here and there. It's fun to see the solutions you come up with. (Don't forget your goggles turning metal bud!)
Always little things that come up but yeah this day just didn't cooperate
I often have days that go just like this
Happens to us all!
Since you don`t want to keep it stock, may I sugges the turn signals from the newer 650/1250 bandits, with the clear glass ? (got em on mine)
Btw when I drill in aluminium at work, I like to use pure alcohol as an lubricant.
I definitely want a more subtle signal. Something an OEM can't provide so I'll come up with something
Thanks for reminding me that I want a bandit 12. Dammit😊
hahaha you're welcome!
@@BrickHouseBuilds yup, it's a problem. Love the progress on the channel btw
We use hair spray to slide grips on. A little glue effect.
I've tried that and spray paint but haven't had consistent success like I have with brake clean or just air
BJ have you thought about using rawlbolts to hold the barends in place? It would save you shaving down the brass grips inside the bars?
Well no. I bought parts that should have worked together so thats what I wanted to do
@@BrickHouseBuildsI have a K5 Bandit 1200 with Renthal bars, but feel as if it needs bar weights, vibration seems to be right at 60mph, the rawlbolt idea came from this. The mirrors look nice though 👍
Ok that was hard work!, let’s have a go at the upsides
1. It effectively made your lathe more cost effective, another job completed v lathe purchase price.
2. You were able to use a scrap mirror, big cost saving.
3. You now have a spare set of bars and bar ends for another bike.
4. You had an opportunity to tidy the contents of the grey bin.
5. You made everyone watching feel better about the days they have things go west.
(If it helps I fitted 3 different sets of bars to my XJR1300 before I was happy with the position 🙂)
6. You didn’t slip drilling the bar dimple and plunge the drill through the top of the tank!
So all in all another beautiful day in paradise!! 😂
#6 is most definitely the key upside here!! I love the optimism!
Bar ends weights to protect the mirror / bar ends a little?
Vibration is less with this setup actually.
Well I was completely surprised at the start of the video when you opened a package with a Union Jack Flag on it! - Whoa! you Guys in America can get your hands on anything over there. Speaking as an English man, Victory Rider too I might add, we have to buy most of our stuff from the States and here you are buying Goods from the UK...(Im assuming?) 🙂 Literally I was shocked to see that. In America you seem to have a fantastic network supply of literally anything you want or desire. It's the complete opposite over here by comparison. Anyways another great video, and thoroughly enjoyable too. 🙂
Well I purchased the parts from a US dealer who had them on the shelf. I try to avoid buying single parts to have shipped. To answer your question though, yes we can get about anything. We just have to pay shipping like everyone else.
You did great! Beautiful bike.
my 1983 XLX could vibrate the mirrors so much they would spin at a certain rpm.
I've had bikes do that! Luckily this one is smooth
Sorry to see you running into so many issues, but thanks for sharing as it is so relatable for things to take an order of magnitude longer than planned!
It's all good. Just part of it but this one was almost funny with how simple the original job was intended to be. The end result was better though.
Instead of welding the additional material onto that bar end piece, could you have created a new (small) piece on the lathe to sit adjacent to the existing piece that would serve to spread the collets?
Well I didn't feel I could have as having two small pieces would leave no way to lock the bar end from rotating. That the part where I mention the serated washer as that was my original plan.
@@BrickHouseBuilds ahh gotcha. We have about the same tiny lathe.Thanks!
Mate...if your having issues with getting parts from the UK just let me know happy to ship them to the US for you..
Thank you. The goal is usually sourcing from a US supplier. I could always pay to have stuff shipped but its just faster and cheaper to buy an already stateside part.
Ok that was hard work!, let’s have a go at the upsides
1. It effectively made your lathe more cost effective, another job completed v lathe purchase price.
2. You were able to use a scrap mirror, big cost saving.
3. You now have a spare set of bars and bar ends for another bike.
4. You had an opportunity to tidy the contents of the grey bin.
5. You made everyone watching feel better about the days they have things go west.
(If it helps I fitted 3 different sets of bars to my XJR1300 before I was happy with the position 🙂)
6. You didn’t slip drilling the bar dimple and plunge the drill through the top of the tank!
So all in all another beautiful day in paradise!! 😂
I beat you hands down regarding time 😂 changing from 16” high apes to std Harley bars. All internal wiring was hard soldered with No diagram I cut the bloody lot and ended up rewiring the whole bike. Time forever ! 😂
What is the style name of those LSL bars ? (I'm thinking they would work for me ...)
I have them linked for ya
i had a chance to buy 2of those from diferent sources one was private sale green like that one and a diferent bike but new also green from a Dealer getting out of selling Suzuki as a dealer but im not realy tall enough to touch down and the reviews said bad vibrations because its mounted to a steel frame solid mounted where in its earlier race days it was used as a frame member with aluminum not steel with more rubber isolation so i walked away from both and ended up with a 2001 triumph 900 thunderbird brand new leftover in 2002 but i wished i bought the bandit just for fun
Really not bad vibration at all
I know it's late but 3m tape. I used it on the RC car.
I know 3m is good stuff but I very much wanted epoxy for this application
😎🇧🇻 Murphy's law my friend! 😏
100%
did i miss the carb rebuild on this bike?
I've never rebuilt the carbs on it. Ran like a top dance I bought it
I fitted higher bars..ended up having to fit longer brake lines and clutch cable
Yeah it was definitely right at the limit but Im happy I was able to keep the original lines.
there is no such thing as wasted time as long as you learned something in the process.
Always learning! This time it was to test fit the bars first 🤣
@@BrickHouseBuilds your end results always look very clean. keep rock'n
Mirror shape is something that occasionally shows up in cars in the UK. UK being rhd but most cars are shared with LHD markets. And if you put LHD mirrors in a RHD car then the shape and angles are all wrong!
For the bar end collets, looks like you have been supplied with the larger ones for 1" bars. Possibly intended for Harleys? They sell a smaller collect. They also list 11 different styles of bar end piece
GSXR1100 carbs had the choke on the carbs (or at least my 1100L did) which might be a source of parts to convert. Or swap the complete carbs on for a bit of extra performance (40mm rather than 36mm)
Some days are like this.
Yeah I'm not sure where the issue started with the ends I ordered. So many things were wrong.
Thanks for the tip on the 1100! Will check that out
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🙏🙏
I had to do some lathe work on my BMW 650gs bar end weights/handguard mounts when I swapped out the stock bars to a Pro Taper set. Unnecessary CZcams comment complete!
That lathe work can be very therapeutic though!
Happens to the best of us Sir, could you have swapped over the half clamps for the original mirrors and fitted them upside down, so that the bolt and stem would be underneath and out of site?
It wouldn't have been possible to mount the factory mirrors upside down. I did do that on a Sportster I had but this would have big clearance issues even if you could mount them in that way.
@@BrickHouseBuilds Hello again, I wasn't talking about the mirrors BJ, just the clamps, so that you don't see the screw hole for the mirror on the top!
Personally, I'm not a fan of mounting mirrors upside down, as I don't see having a sufficient rear view?
@@kennethgore Ah yeah I misunderstood. In the Harley world that is actually common and visibility isnt bad actually. For my original clamps I am contemplating mounting something there. If not they will likely just hang out at they are.
@@BrickHouseBuilds Many thanks for taking the time to respond!
What do you think of using a V45 engine instead of the CB750 engine.
I'm not really sure how to answer that one. I just like the look, sound, feel of a cb750. I'm sure I would enjoy a v45 just because I love all bikes but they are of different eras, make different noises, different drives, etc. If I want pure classic I'd go cb750. If I wanted a bit more reliability and newer engineering I'd go v45
@@BrickHouseBuilds Just thought the V45 had more hp.
@eric_seguin I'm sure it does but I'm not really riding vintage bikes for max hp
At the show your customers bike fell over (nobody around and nobody touched it). Did you figure out why it fell over ?
My best conclusion was that both tires were sitting just on the downward slop of a tiny divot. Combined they acted like a larger slope to pull the bike forward and fold the kickstand. It sucked but the bike won 1st place in the foreign category right after! Sympathy votes!
Mate I love watching your vids but here it is, I'm gonna give you a slap! There you go done. Pull yourself together. You build bikes for a living. I had most of those issues when I fitted bars to my VTR. That was much more involved. Just order a brake line and go have a cold beer. 😂
I understand your pain but im not as patient as your id be screaming all kinds of 4 letter words, nice work
Choice words were used between clips 😉
A usual day in the office
Absolutely lol
Can someone help, where on earth can I get a rear master cylinder kit for a 1975 cb750 super sport?
K&L supply. You should be able to look it up on there. Ebay, dime city cycles, 4into1.com and many others carry these. David Silver Spares, Partzilla, cmsnl will even have these available. Very common rebuild item.
@BrickHouseBuilds I'm putting a shopping list together on 4into1 and I was looking at that one but it says 1979-1980 and I wasn't sure if it was compatible, it's my first bike and it's turning into a real project
An extremely helpful process is using partzilla and cmsnl. You look up the OEM numbers on there and order when possible. If they don't have something you can also search that number on Ebay or google.
@BrickHouseBuilds thank you very much, you and your videos are exceedingly helpful, hopefully I won't have many more questions
@39:35 "laugh at my pain...". well I don't know about others but I am not laughing at all because THIS is how all my jobs go. YOU are either very good or very lucky IF this is the exception, which it sounds like it is, and not the norm.
So, no laughing because if I did KARMA is going to bite me even more in the ass if that's possible. However, it is good to see that even a professional like yourself has these days :) (small smile)
Well thank ya! Yeah nothing ever goes perfectly smooth but this job just took the thought of smooth and threw it out the window lol
Sorry the Trackers didn't work out after all that work, but I think Superbike bars are a good fit for a Bandit anyway!
Yeah I kinda wonder what I was thinking with trying to put trackers on there in the first place lol
Hi BJ cracking job sir yeah we all get days like this and it frustrates the living daylights out of you ,but on the plus side you soldiered on and got the job done and it looks amazing and at least you can use the bars and bar ends on another now you know what the problems are , so win win time wasted is sometimes knowledge gained take care mate awesome bike by the way 👍👌🔧🔧🔧❤️
Thanks Peter! The other bars will definitely get used on something. Not all bad
@@BrickHouseBuilds defo 👍
Couldn’t help smiling as I thought these sort of things only happened to me. New bars and mirrors look great, much better than the original chrome mirrors.
Happens to all of us!
Nice job. I feel your pain with the little issues you are having. Pro tip from a world renowned builder: Use hair spray on the inside of the new grips to put them on. They slide on super easy and the hair spray dissipates very quickly leaving no reside. The grips will stick solid in a few minutes.
Thank you. I have tried hairspray many times with no success. I have also tried paint. Since I was a kid I have always had good luck with brake clean and compressed air. I am very willing to have to fight them on a bit if it means they stay there.
Do feel for you, we call it ‘faffing’ over here in 🇬🇧 and making things fit, is ‘fettling’. At least you got there in the end! 😅 Also we do like heated grips for our cold weather. 😊
There was much faffing that day lol!
I ran LSL bars on my XR1200. It was always weird to me how many parts I had to import from Europe for a Harley lol
Hahaha it be like that sometimes!
The black bars look great! Makes me think that some other silver parts may need to be black as well 👍🏻
In my view not time wasted, but time spent learning. No damage and all turned out good. Next time you use the steel bars, you will be pre-prepared.
Exactly! I definitely like the tracker bars and they will absolutely get used
I was recently defeated by some mere bark busters that ended up interfering with the brake/clutch cables, so I totally get how frustrating these seemingly effortless jobs may get.
Cheers
Happens to us all!
I really like those mirrors, I'll have to check those out. Sorry this turned into such a shitshow lol glad you got it sorted xD I really like the lower bars the best anways
The Oberons are really nice pieces but im not sure who dropped the ball on the mounts. If you have the room just clamp them on the bar and be done.
@@BrickHouseBuilds Just curious if they vibrated at freeway speed as I believe that they had them dang heavy mirrors just to quell the vibration... Thanks
@@dragonknee they vibrate a bit. Don't expect factory visibility
Antlers be gone! Well done. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Hahaha much more better now!
😂😡❤️👍🏍
Exactly lol. All of the emotions
Man, this video was a journey. Should have said screw it and threw some ape hangers on it instead. Would have looked sick and taken like 2 hours, tops
I do have a set!
wear your bloody safety glasses!!!!
Fun fact, the 2 times I have had to have metal removed from my eye were both times I had safety glasses on. I wear safety glasses VERY often and am a big proponent with them but rarely wear them when I am doing slow stuff on the lathe.
i hear you, been working in machine shops for many many years. its just that people watch you and they copy you and i dont want to see people getting hurt. i have and its not great.
keep up the excellent work my man!@@BrickHouseBuilds
@davidarthur6205 I hear ya and you make a good point. I try to lead by example but there are personal choices that sometimes goa against what is perfect
I see this as a positive, if install went easy ot wouldn't make a good YT video. I would rather see difficult (even failed) jobs, rather than easy.
Agreed 100%
Why? That look like Mickey Mouse ears on a bike?
I'll take mouse ears over elk antlers lol