5 Strange Things Presbyterians Believe
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its interesting to learn how others pray, but I will never ever change my Orthodox.ortho- correct. dox short for doxa is glory Correct Glory to God.
Grew up Presby. Many pics of Jesus on the walls and stained glass windows. Didn't overemphasise Psalms since there are 65 other books with great content.Sunday was not worshipped as a day. Jesus was worshipped everyday. Baptism of babies is mainly good for bringing un saved family members. If Presby only baptised the saved, they might be saddened to discover how few baptisms they performed. Let's major on what's most important guys. The Cross, the lost, The Holy Spirit, The Word of God
That image of Jesus people hang on the wall is the image of Alexander the great 3rd son.
@@MiniMovers4UBaby baptism doesn't count. They have to be the age of accountability and make their own choices.
@sheilalangston7035 There's no ' 'counting' when it comes to Baptistism. Christ followers should be Baptised, but it's not a requirement for salvation.
I was born and raised in Baptist churches, and grew up singing the old hymns. One of the things that been driving me crazy is its getting really rare to find Baptist churches in my area that still even USE the hymns. They use the contemporary worship songs, that you sing for a few years, then forget them. I cant even rememost of the songs i sang 10 years ago, but i can still remember the old hymns like "The old rugged cross", "Trust and Obey" "When i survey the wondrous cross" and many others. Most of the old hymns held biblical truths, while most of the "worship" songs is more emotional based.
What a friend we have in Jesus.
We still use the hymnal.
My brother used to call it, "Six Flags over Jesus."
Any song, hymn or music that glorifies Jesus has the Holy Spirit in it. Acts 13:1+.
We still use most of the old songs.and hymns!!!
I was raised as a Presbyterian, but no one ever sang the Psalms in my church. We had hymnals, and I really miss those songs.
Many Presbyterian hymns come straight from the Psalms. Look closely at your hymnals, there will be notes showing which Psalms you are actually singing.
Me too. I did not see much of this as a child. Went to Presbyterian services a lot.
Have a listen to the Wee free Church of Scotland recite the psalms in Gaelic it’s haunting
@@ThomasKelly669 He that believes and is baptized will be saved or forgiven.
Try BBN Radio.
The old hymns are so meaningful and I love hearing my fellow believers voices in praise and worship. So tired of the rock style performances on the alters where you can only hear the band and loud singers, like a rock concert.
True worship is in reverence and awe of a Holy God🙏🏻
I grew up attending a Baptist church, accepted Christ Jesus in Sunday school and was baptized at 10 years old. I am in my eighties now but still remember that time in my life vividly. Best decision I ever made. My eternal salvation means everything to me. I cannot find a church that uses the old Broadman hymnal and I truly miss the songs that I learned as a child and still sing today in my home. I love our Lord and savior and hope that many of you do as well.
I know of dozens and dozens of Southern Baptist churches in Tennessee/Georgia/North Carolina that still use the Broadman Hymnal! @@Leilah99
I cannot love this comment enough. My family attended a Charismatic church for quite some time and they played only contemporary songs with a loud band. They’d turn off the lights and turn on fog machines and black lights. I asked them if they’d perform my favorite hymn “Victory in Jesus,” and I was told it doesn’t fit their style, and also that don’t know the sheet music for it. 🤦🏾
Performance religion exists all over the world.
"Stroll with God," "Rock with Jesus," "You, too, come along with us," and "Over the water and through the woods, to Jesus' house we go...."
@@Leilah99 How sad! I am in my eighties as well and am NOT going to Church anymore MAINLY because of the music becoming NOTHING MORE THAN ROCK BANDS. The singing is monotone with no melody, harmony or sensible rhythm which is the basis of REAL MUSIC!
Glad you sing the Psalms. Many churches need to get back to that ; Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs!
As a Presbyterian born and raised, I fully agree. I find it strange when I visit churches that don't sing the Psalms.
I grew up Lutheran. We sang a LOT. Psalms were used on rare occasions. Not many notes. It's more like chant used in a monastery.
I'm an Orthodox Christian. The psalms are sung at every single service.
I attend a PCA church in Sumter SC. I came from a charismatic/ Pentecostal background.. Watching the service was so refreshing how Gods word was being handled. Have been attending since 2015 and my wife and I have been blessed.p
Hi, neighbor, Lexington Presbyterian church member here!
i am also from sumter, sc❤
You have to be careful with the PCA. Some of them are into the Revoice movement, which is pushing "celibate" homosexual men as teaching elders. The Federal Vision is another problem. I spent 10 years in the Assemblies of God. I"m also a Presbyterian now. I live in Lexington, SC. I had to stop attending the PCA here in Lexington because the pastor is pushing the Revoice heresy.
Calvinists?
@@jumperstartful yes I believe God initiates the salvation process by taking a heart that’s as scripture declares is wicked and is His enemy, and replaces it with heart of flesh that responds to the Gospel. No one when will tell Christ, hey Lord I chose you. We all will fall on our face and sing “worthy is the Lamb”.
Born and raised Baptist. As an adult I am a Reformed Baptist, but since I don't have one of these churches in my area I go to Westminster Presbyterian. I love the sound teaching.
you can hear the songs we sing at westminster presbyterian church ( pca )
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3 years ago I joined a PCA Pres church and have never looked back. Truth is preached through the Holy Scriptures. The worship truly honors the Lord. Thanks for sharing.
Where is the term "Trinity" in the KJV?
@@cashed-out2192 The word Godhead which indicates the same thing as Trinity. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - King James Version
@@itsspiritual8645 The Trinity is dead. kJV does not recognize the term. There is only one God
@@itsspiritual8645 who is the "third" god in a trinity?
@@cashed-out2192There is no 3rd “god” in Trinitarianism. There is strictly 1 God.
Wait...no fog machines in church? Barbarians.
WAIT. No people rolling down the aisle, shouting?? Barbarians.
@@Simku Sounds like a Pentecostal & Apostolic church 😂. That’s unbiblical worship bro
@@Noah-rv9uj been there. got PTSD.
@@Simku 🤣
😂
I'm an ExMormon who recently started attending my small local presbyterian congregation. I'm really enjoying it.
No way me too!
Welcome to the family!!!!
God bless you!!🥹🤍
I as an Episcopalian who strongly adheres to Lutheran doctrine, will avoid going to commercial establishments on the Lord's Day to minimize the work store employees have to do. If all Christians could avoid going to commercial establishments on the Lord's day store employees could stay home to go to church to worship the Lord and to be with their families.
I totally agree with you. The days when everything was closed on a Sunday was so peaceful.
I agree.
Isn't the Lutheran Church a commercial establishment?
@PH_INFO_101 Why do you single out Lutheran churches?
I'm OPC, and I'm glad you specified that you are PCA. People might get confused in walking into a PCUSA church, and finding little of what you talked about.
PCUSA is woke and unbiblical
OPC. The second most based presby sub denom .
@@thomasthellamas9886 What's the first? ;)
@@mdunawaym Bible Presbyterians 😎. Dispensational, KJV onliest, Teetotalers. The IFB of the Presbyterians.
@@thomasthellamas9886 Not familiar with those denominations.
I always see these videos and think "oh no what have I gotten myself into" (I'm a new Presy) but then I watch and think "yeah, I affirm all that"
I enjoyed your presentation. I was partially raised in the Presbyterian church. My family had moved frequently and we went to several different denominations, according to what was near and convenient. For several years we attended the Presbyterian church and I did find Christ as Lord and Savior there. I was baptized there by sprinkling. I had a lot of Baptist friends and they had a lot of skepticism about my faith. But I persevered. I did understand the "singing of the psalms". Glory! Can I shout? But I did have difficulty with the Five Points of Calvinism. In the providence of God, I did end up in the Church of the Nazarene, where I was called to pastoral ministry, which I followed for 50 years. Even for the few differences of understanding and trying to explain God's great calling and salvation, I did often thank God for my roots in the Presbyterian church. Thank you for a calm, reasoned explanation of the Presbyterians.
Interesting talk. My 5th grade teacher in the 1970s was Presbyterian (somewhat unusual where I was raised). He started the school day EVERY day by reading a Psalm to us. He seems very interested in us being familiar with them. I went to his church a few times as well as some other Presbyterian churches, and now that you mention it, I do not recall seeing any pictures or paintings of Christ anywhere. We wound up becoming very good friends.
I was baptised Presbyterian and didn't know this but very fascinating thank you. Ive been going to an Anglican Church because it's the one closest to me. They also baptise children, they do sing the psalms but they do have many images of Christ in stained glass. I believe God choose us before we turn to Him.
The Lord bless you brother. God saved me when I turned 30. I was part of a church that was influenced by Plymouth Brethren, and part of a few others over the years. My wife and I officially joined a PCA church recently in SE Tennessee. The Presbyterians strike me as very loving believers.
Believers in what? They need to believe the bible, not the doctrines and creeds of men.
@@MichaelTheophilus906, the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Bible. "But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. " (Rom. 6:17,18) NKJV
@@quercusrubra777 Jesus and the Apostles preached the Gospel (good news) of the resurrection of the dead and the Kingdom of God on earth.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 my understanding is that Christ will reign on earth as spoke about in Revelations, and also in I Corinthians 15:14-28). Now the kingdom is the reign of Christ in the hearts of his disciples. (Colossians 1:13, 14) This is the spiritual kingdom.
@@quercusrubra777They do not say that. You have a big imagination.
Hi Pastor Everhard. Just finished watching this video. Liked it a lot. I was raised as Presbyterian but hadn't come across the predestination part until it hit me in my own personal reading.
So graciously and gently stated. Please keep these wonderful Spirit given qualirlties in your ministry.
This denomination makes the most sense to me. I’ll be visiting a Presbyterian Church for the first time tomorrow and I’m so excited! 🙏🏿
Check out their TULIP acronym to see what that means. He forgot to mention all that. All presbyterians are followers of John Calvin.
Jesus only died for the elect.
God created some people for hell.
Look into it.
Make sure it's a conservative denomination: OPC, PCA, ARP, etc. Even here it's not always a guarantee.
Make note that the Evangelical Presbyterian Church split off from the Presbyterian Church USA, over doctrinal issues concerning the truth of Scripture. See Mark 7:7 for Jesus‘s words about which doctrines we should believe in.
The PCA ordains alleged "celibate" homosexual men as teaching elders or pastors. This is the sort of compromise that results from the semi-Calvinist doctrine of the three points of common grace. As far as I can tell, the EPC also believes in common grace. There is no biblical evidence that anyone is born a homosexual with an inborn sexual orientation. There is plenty of evidence in the Bible that original sin causes the abomination of homosexuality. @@bravehome4276
On the positive side, the EPC states clearly that you cannot deduce morality from what exists. You cannot get an ought from an is. ee55edbe7795bce20c06-fb9d0d157fafb22763a42dc1ee1db869.r93.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/e/0e3098927_1397159175_epc-homosexuality-position-paper.pdf @@bravehome4276
As someone from a non-denominational, baptistic type church I appreciate your explanations of these "strange" things you believe. And although I don't follow most of them I love learning what other brothers and sisters believe.
One thing I've come around to is the keeping of the Sabbath. I was always taught, and still believe, that it's no longer a "must" for believers under grace. However, I've come to acknowledge it as a blessing rather than a commandment. I "get" to keep the Sabbath rather than I "have" to keep it. It was made for Man, after all!
Blessings to you. ❤️
what day is your sabbath on?
@@tuniabjc9659 good question. I was watching the video and he mentioned "the lord's day". Everytime I hear that, they are talking about the first day of the week, the day the Roman catholic church transferred from the seventh day. They did this under their own authority. Since they are not honoring our Creator on the day He sanctified at the beginning of creation and calling the sabbath of the beast the lord's day speaks volumes.
Wow I just wrote something similar to your first sentence without seeing what you wrote!!
DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY OLD TESTAMENT STUFF. WE ARE NOT JEWS WE ARE CHRISTIANS AND SUNDAY IS THE DAY GOD WAS RESSURECTED AND OUR SABBATH IS SUNDAY .
@@tuniabjc9659 Let the Bible tell us: “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it”(Genesis 2:3) I can't find any place in the Bible that says it's Sunday, or that we get to pick any day we want (9:30)
Thanks Matthew...I understand Presbyterians better now. I believe your church doctrin has all the important things correct! God bless you all!
The original Greek word for baptism is a word for immersion. This is what occurred with Christ and that ,for me, is the example to follow. It signifies raising to life, from death to life. Also, I was raised with the belief that a person must be the age of accountability, to know right from wrong. Babies don't have the ability to choose.
Presbyterians don't believe that eternal salvation comes through water baptism. It's by grace that you are saved. Water baptism is a sign that you have been covenanted with the visible church. Baptism is the New Covenant version of the Old Covenant circumcision.
I would have to say, "The wages of sin is death, and babies die." I was taught that the word for "baptism" is to wash.
I took Greek in College for two semesters. I remember the Greek professor saying that the Greek word for baptism like most Greek words has MORE than one meaning. It's the same in English. Pick up any dictionary and look up a word and you will see SEVERAL possible meanings!! Also, MOST EVERYTHING in the Old Testament was done by SPRINKLING, EVEN PEOPLE. Get a concordance and look up the word SPRINKLE, SPRINKLING! And does it make sense that all those people coming to the Jordan River were immersed? I don't see any pictures of them carrying extra clothes to change and where would they change and then to walk a GREAT DISTANCE back home! I don't think so!! John Wesley didn't think so either!!
My understanding has always been that infant baptism serves a different purpose. It is meant to symbolize that the caregivers will raise that child in the Christian faith. One's own decision comes at confirmation.
@@davezwick5539Jesus was baptized at 30. But where does the Bible talk about confirmation?
Methodists have baptism for any age. Usually baby's.
But when a person old enough to reason, they are baptized, with confirmation immediately following straight away.
I can't understand this.
Thank you for your respectful thoughts and insights on Presbyterians in general. While I acknowledge the differences that exist today, I believe our core reformed beliefs see us pulling together to achieve God’s will.
As a lifelong Presbyterian, this was fantastic. Many things I didn't know, especially about singing the Psalms. Every Presbyterian needs to watch the compact but very informative presentation. Thank you, Matthew!!
Thank you so much! Very interesting. As someone who has been a Baptist and a Methodist, I relate to each point. But we’re all going to spend eternity together, we can just accept each other. I agree with most of it anyway.
As a methodist, do you do meth?
i've attended a local Presbyterian church many times and I have never one time heard the pastors mention the words, "New Birth" or , being Saved, instead, it's like Bible study for people who are already saved. If you didn't know the Lord personally, you could go to that church for 50 years and still not know him, then die and go to Hell because no one there ever mentioned that you must be BORN AGAIN!
Well, the Church is for the Saints, not the unregenerate
A new believer would have to talk to someone there to learn more, seek and you will find
I still believe the pastor should acknowledge that, it's sad many churches do not
it is very strange how you would not know the gospel when you hear it !
maybe you went to a liberal presbyterian church that is more interested in social justice than salvation ?
you can hear the songs we sing at westminster presbyterian church ( pca )
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@@kablammy7 no, it's a conservative branch of the Presbyterian church, zero mention of woke crap. This isn't exclusive to this denomination, it's common through out churches in this country - it's sad
I’m newly Presbyterian. I attended a Presbyterian church near my house with a friend & I instantly felt connection. I was raised non-denominational/Christian. I have been doing my research, looking for more information on what makes Presbyterians different & this video helped a lot! The no pictures of Jesus points were very intriguing to me. Thank you!
Prove us how do you know Jesus Christ picture to establish this fact.
To enter the heavenly kingdom and reign with God forever,YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
You were born again. At your baptism
I baptise you in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit.
There you go. Once out of your mom once under the water.
You have to be baptized, not sprinkled. You sprinkle blood, not water. Jesus was baptized. Not sprinkled.
When you are baptized I pretty sure the amount of water that hits you is not that important. In the Catholic Church the person has water poured over there head we don t sprinkle . Your wet by the time it's complete.
And there isn t a steadfast rule you have to be fully immersed to be considered a baptism.
The full immersion thing I believe came from the Baptists.. but it is not nessesary. What is nessesary is . The person must say I baptise you in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit.
To say I baptise you in the name of God. This is not a valid baptism.
@@hayeslincoln3111 Why be so afraid of submersion. Jesus Christ was submerged by John the Baptist. The objective is to "wash away sins." you cannot wash with a sprinkle or pour some water over you. You want to be cleansed of sins or not? Why be skittish?
@@hayeslincoln3111 When you have experience of the Scriptures, you will know the meaning of THIS verse - "One Lord, one faith, one baptism."
My grandparents were Presbyterians, my father didn’t really take us to church but taught us the basics, and I now attend a nondenom pretty conservative Bible church. I help in the kids program and cannot bring myself to have coloring pages of Jesus or the Father! It must be the grandparents kicking in. There are some in my church who don’t think it’s a big deal but I just can’t do it! I remember as a child someone mentioning how the Muslims don’t depict their God and my father said “neither should we!” And it has stuck with me in a big way!
I grew up in mostly anglican and baptist churches, but have been with pentecostals for the past 11 years or so. To be honest none of this seems strange to me. I absolutely love that you sing the old psalms when I have to listen to Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation on repeat each week being blasted at 90dB+.
I also think it's very thoughtful and biblical that you dedicate your children in baptism. I was baptised or "christened" as the anglicans put it, when I was an infant. But later in life when I was old enough to make my own decisions, I chose to be baptised again and it was a very profound and spiritual experience.
My view of the sabbath is somewhat relaxed, in that I work many weekends due to the nature of my job (food delivery driver). So I respectfully try to take a day or two off during the week where possible. But yeah it amazes me how much common ground the different denominations share and also the beauty of our oneness, despite the traditions that we hold to.
Brother I appreciate your faithful work. I have been listening to a vast majority of what you post over the past 3 years. I have went from a dispensational arminian to reformed Baptist. There is a good chance I'm on my way to become a presbyterian. I see it as the most consistent.
Thank you Justin!!!
Similar story with me we joined a PCA church recently and have very much enjoyed it
@@classicchristianliterature That is awesome. I'm happy for yall. God bless in Christ.
probably because theres no such thing as a "Reformed Baptist"...youre already just a presbyterian that immerses, so go ahead and jump the fence to presbyterianism. a "Reformed Baptist" is neither reformed, nor baptist, the terms are an oxymoron
@@caman171 I know what you mean. And I think you know what I mean by using that term. I'm just distinguishing between the traditional ariminian baptist. I agree with you though about jumping the fence lolol. Just pray for me so I can lead my family peaceably. Daddy doesn't need to jerk the wheel of the minivan. Lolol
Interesting - I was brought up in a Free Presbyterian Church. We dedicate our children to the church but baptism only happens when an individual is of an understanding age, born again and it is initiated of their own volition - a person will give their testimony and then be immersed 🤔
Thank you for sharing! The rest is exactly how I practiced at church
The Free Presbyterian Church is a baptist church for all practical purposes. It's very hard to find one that baptizes infants. If I wanted to attend a Reformed Baptist church I would just find one of those.
So do you think Jesus turned away parents that wanted their babies baptise.
I dought it.
Look to where this tradition comes from . You will find it is someone's interpretation of a scripture passage. But the scriptural passage will be based on the conversation of that time .
Taken out of text.
That is the problem with Sola scriptoria.
I can make a case for anything if I pick and choose what I want to see in Scripture.
Read this book and follow your traditions. Those traditions come from the original church.
That church is the Catholic Church.
The problem with the Romanist view is that you cannot question the authority of men who invent traditions out of thin air. Some matters are matters of adiaphora or indifference. Baptism of infants is one of those matters. But the Protestants are united on their opposition to the Roman Catholic Church. Presbyterians base their doctrine of paedo-baptism on the Scriptures. In the Old Testament the covenant sign was the circumcism of male infants after 8 days. The New Testament sign is the baptism of both male and female infants by sprinkling. You can't make a case for anything from the Bible. The Bible is very specific, while the traditions of men change from one decade to the next. @@hayeslincoln3111
Do you baptize adult?
Water baptism is a meaningless ritual. John the baptist even said so himself. Jesus baptized no one in water for a reason. He brought a different, and only meaningful baptism. A baptism of fire, not water. PAUL EVEN REGRETTED DOING IT.
Really interesting and well done! I was surprised by a few, and knew a couple, probably because we don't have many Presbyterian churches in the areas of Connecticut in which I've lived. Also, we had very few (miniscule) numbers of Presbyterian students at my seminary, although when I was studying, there were at least 34 different denominations represented in the student body. (Andover Newton Theological School -- now at Yale as ANSeminary at Yale). Thanks very much for this informative and excellent video. Watching on 12/22/23, so Merry Christmas!
As a Scotsman I’m immensely proud to see how far and wide our church as spread,we have contributed so much in the progression of mankind in general as well as through faith,thank you John Knox but most of all Thank The Lord
Bless Mary , Queen of Scots ~~ the best of our 16 th Century ! Harangued by Knox ! ✝️🛐
As another Scotsman I thoroughly disagree with you. Knox led you down the garden path towards a very bigoted Sect. Join the faith of your Father's pre reformation The Barque of Peter sails on as promised by Jesus and no Knox or his like will alter the continuation of the true faith.
The only problem is that many of the Scottish Presbyterian churches are now totally liberal. The same is true of the Presbyterian Church USA.
@@stephenbrown3835 he spoke truth to power. 'Twasn't her wot changed the world for the better
@@Shikuesi Certainly wasn’t John Knox ~~. ✝️Faith Conquers All ✝️❤️
What a kind, helpful and gracious explanation; thank you brother. I would live a sit down to discuss predestination with you, and I love your spirit.
Doesn't the word "whosoever" in John 3:16 disprove predestination?
😄it does rather @@tedterrific7416
@@tedterrific7416 there is just as much verses that "prove" free will as there are that "prove" predestination.
It was silly of this pastor to act like predestination is clearly taught in the Bible when theologians have debated and wrestled about it for 2 thousand years.
I don't understand what "proove" means. @@DrDoerk
@@tedterrific7416 I meant prove....but you knew that
Oddly enough, it was one of my professors at a non-Calvinist Bible college who first got me thinking about ditching any pictures of Jesus I had. He said too often, we worship those pictures as idols without even realizing it. That was 43 years ago, and I've never owned such a picture since. I've come to recognize the fact that since we don't have any way of knowing what Jesus looked like, ANY image of Him is false. And He doesn't want us focusing on outward looks anyway -- that's why He gave us no idea what He looked like. We "see" Jesus in the scriptures, and that's all we need.
You shouldn't ditch your pictures of Jesus. That is Iconoclasm. Depictions were throughout Tabernacle and Temple Worship
@@seanchaney3086 I made my decision 43 years ago. I've not had an image of Christ since, and don't intend to start now.
@@WillenaFlewelling THAT is depravity
@@hr2r805 Idolatry is the Golden Calf, not the Ark of The Covenant or the Angelic Iconography of the Temple. Lack of that discernment is a state of spiritual darkness. Illustrating Scripture is a form of Worship.
there are no pictures of Jesus unless they had cameras back then?
As a Presby kid in 80s and 90s, my response
1) yeah, images of Christ in other churches really weirded me out
2) was like, 6wks old when baptized, pastor had no problem admitting it was tap water, but yeah, adult baptisms were rare
3) sure? I think we were "inclusive"
4) nope, didn't do this
5) yeah, makes my later reconversion seem odd, like I am still saved even though the holy ghost is a silly guy in a sheet =oP That, 9r I was never saved and somehow helped lead others to their salvation, which I now regret.
This is a wonderfully irenic and informational. I’m confessionally Reformed Baptist and am pretty familiar with Presbyterian distinctives, but this was still a delight to listen to. Thank you!
I was brought up in Scotland as a Wee Free Presbyterian. I now live in the US with my husband who is Baptist and the first time that I attended a Service in that church I was astounded at the clapping, guitar playing etc. Yes, Presbyterians are different!
Some Presbyterian churches are into the church growth model of worship, but this is a violation of the regulative principle of worship and undermines biblical worship and sound exegetical preaching. It emphasizes emotionalism rather than an intellectual understanding of God's written word. 2 Peter 3:18. 2 Timothy 3:15-17.
I live in Scotland and in my presbyterian church I go to clapping is clapped lol not really but yea true
Pastor Everhard, I have been a Presbyterian since 1958. I have attended Presbyterian churches in Pennsylvania, Virginia, South Carolina and two cities in California. I have served as an Deacon, Elder and member of Presbytery. All followed the Westminster COF ,of which I am very familiar. However,not one of those churches were anything like you described in this video. All used the conventional hymns with hymns by Luther and others. Baptisms were observed and Predestination was preached but Sunday was a day for the family to be together and participate in activities together, such as playing games in the yard or doing things with neighbors, And all had stained glass windows with the images of Christ in them. I think your church may be a bit Puritanical in nature.
I totally agree. He was a converted Presbyterian and his church or denomination is not a mainline church. Nothing that he said made sense. It sounds puritanical as well as not really Reformed. I have been n this world longer than him 60 years on this earth. Raised in this and confirmed and went thru Catechism before being confirmed. I just cannot even grasp anyting he is saying. First we had many stained glass windows with Christ face, his resurrection, crucifixion, on the Mount of Olives, in Gethsamane, our ministers wore robs and vestments, we had a liturgy, we did not use the term being saved" which was against reformed theology quite frankly. And about missionaries, there was never a push there due to the belief in predestination. Many of these things he is talking about does not sound like Traditional Presbyterian or the Church of Scotland teaching. Sounds like some kind of puritan take and some hyper evangelical beliefs. I agree with you, its obvious to us that were raised Presbyterian. I have questioned him before, but he keeps taking down the questions, concerns and comments. Wonder why?
Grew up in a Primitive Baptist church which seems to share some of the things that you talked about in this video. I have learned something of the Presbyterian belief, and now understand the differences between the PCUSA and the PCA. Thank you for that. None of these 5 things are strange to me. I only have the issue with baptism, but it's not a so called "deal breaker."
Salvation is of the LORD through His grace, for no man can boast that he chooses to believe.
Thanks for this, although I am a member of a non denominational I appreciate this explanation. My dad actually grew up in Presbyterian. I don't totally agree with all 5 of these aspects but they are minor differences.
I grew up in the Christian Reformed Church, was baptized, and made profession of faith as an adult. I transferred membership to a Presbyterian Church many years later as I had moved and it was a local church.
I was welcomed and the change was seamless. Only real difference was learning about the Westminister Confession whereas I had learned the Heidelberg Catechism.
Did you have to be re-baptised as an adult when you transferred membership?
Most Presbyterians would say, no, re-baptism is not necessary.
If someone thinks their parents were flippant or superstitious when they “had the kid done”, they may wish to do it for themselves. My brother did because it was *his* own decision although our parents did their best, I did not because my parents had fulfilled the vows they made to bring me up “in the nurture and admonition of the faith” & I’d have thought it a huge insult to them if I had.
Thanks for the gracious & thoughtful explanation. There are faithful Presbyterian congregations which are more lenient with Psalms & Sabbath-keeping, but they certainly would not argue with you.
And a lot of us struggle with how predestination and free will can both be true, but for the moment we admit the tension & leave it up to God to work it out. After all, if we understood Him, He would be just human, not God. (I think it has something to do with eternity & time….)
@@isabellabarstead4552 Presbyterians are not Rebaptizers
Thank you for your teaching, from a fellow Reformed Christian in South Africa.
Good Evening from Northern Michigan Pastor... I am a Roman Catholic..."womb to tomb" as we say. We also baptize children and are very fervent about singing the Psalms, especially in a community iRoman Catholic nuns.... Just pointing out the similarities. May the Lord bless you and keep you 🙏🙏🙏💙💙
You are a Catholic. The term Roman Catholic was invented by Protestants, as an insult.
I was coming to say this too ❤
Except for the excessive adoration of Mary 😬
And a Gospel of Works, transubstantiation, the Pope, etc ...
@@toolegittoquit_001 Martin Luther and John Calvin venerated Mary more than most Catholics do today.
@@toolegittoquit_001 I've never heard this "gospel of works" you speak of. Please explain. Adoration is worship reserved only for the Trinity. Mary and other saints are venerated (honored) but not adored. The real presence in the Eucharist is as old as Christianity itself. The doctrine of transubstantiation does not explain the what of the Real Presence but the how, or the process, of how the host becomes the real presence (accidence vs. substance). The Papacy is authority given to Peter as the leader of the Apostles (see how Matthew 16 mirrors Isaiah 22). While the role of the Pope has been more clearly defined as time went on, the early church recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome over the other bishops.
I am Baptist. Sunday, I attended a PCA church. I was brought to tears. The sermon dealt with election which I affirm. They are Reformed and Calvinistic which has become a bad word in Baptist churches. From the call to worship to the benediction, the worship was completely God centered. I’ve been living in a very dry place.
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Remember Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch
Eunuch: Look here is water. What doth hinder me from being baptized?
Philip: If Thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest
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Baptism is strictly for a regenerated and born again person exclusively!
How do you know one is truly regenerated?
Was the eunuch’s household believing followers of Christ?
Is that a Thompson chain I see there?
Looking forward to this video?
I'm currently Baptist but your videos have had an effect on me and I'm becoming reformed.
It is. Bottom of the stack on the lower shelf on the left. The brown one.
I really appreciate the thoughtful way you describe your beliefs. As an AG licensed ministers, I have a different opinion, but I really appreciate your gentleness and thoughtfulness brother. Keep up the good work.
I'm Afrikaans. Church Neder-Duits Gereformeerd. You will have a really difficult time finding any difference from The Presbyterians. Acknowledge Martin Luther's start of the Reformation, but in that regard, we follow the work of Johannes Calvein. All I can add is NO applause! no matter how good the choir sang or the visiting Organist played. Baptism/ Christianing of babies- allways been this wonderfull display of Grace to me. Free of charge, babies not excluded and pure grace- nothing you achieved or decided.
No coincidences. God brought me here today to further understand the Presbyterian religion. Thank you Preacher!
Denomination
I’m orthodox, we also are babtised when we are children, usually before our first birthday.
And also we sing the psalms.
I am Catholic and same same.
I don’t think this guy knows what “orthodox” means, as in iconography, 80 book bibles, xmas on Jan 6, etc.
Your very much enlightened me about the Presbyterian Church..thank you!! Putting music to the Psalms sounds great!!!
As a Staff Elder (Associate Pastor, Worship and Visitation) in a Baptist Church, I openly say I can make a stronger argument for infant baptism in a covenant context than for baptizing very young children in a credo baptist context. Premature baptism in the latter setting ironically becomes a false assurance of salvation for adults displaying no evidence of regeneration because “I would not have been baptized if I were not saved.”
I do hold to believer baptism, but counsel parents against prompting young children to be baptized. Bar mitzvah age seems an appropriate timeframe, announcing the candidate as a son/daughter of the new covenant.
We do not use theatrical lights, lasers or atmospheric effects, but we do employ a diverse team of musicians including orchestral and rhythm instruments… as many skilled musicians as the Lord has added to our assembly. Oh, and we do sing the psalms as well. (And absolutely nothing from Hillsong, Bethel, or the like.)
We also affirm and teach the doctrines of grace.
And we have elders…
Yeah, you’ve got us. We’re pretty much Pres-bap-terians. 🤣
Thank you for your calm demeanor in explaining this. As a non-denominational evangelical that is looking for a new church home, I appreciate knowing this. Respectfully this is not a denomination that we would be comfortable with or will be checking out. Thank you again for your time and honesty. God bless you and your ministry.
Very interesting. As a confessional Lutheran, I would be quite comfortable with these “odd” practices of Presbyterian service. However, we are in disagreement with our Presbyterian brothers when it comes to Calvinism. I don’t see it as a salvation issue. I’m sure I’ll be meeting many fine Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, and Baptists when I am in Heaven. 😊
As another confessional Lutheran, I agree with the previous post.
I was born and raised in the Presbyterian Church. I believe the Bible is a book of faith and a faith journey, not a history book. My Presbyterian minister said very clearly that we do not teach or believe in predestination. I’m shocked. Have that changed?
Interesting explanations, my ancestors were Presbyterian, Campbell’s from Scotland. I found the explanation of infant baptism useful. Although, I still believe in repentance then baptism by immersion in Jesus name. Singing the Psalms is powerful ! No images of Christ, totally agree!!
My relatives also.
I consider my theology Reformed and I definitely appreciate the emphasis on Grace, Predestination and the Sovereignty of God in Presbyterian.
Calvinism is antithetical to The Gospel...
@@seanchaney3086 unfortunately that's an assertion not an argument.
@@Adam-ue2ig Name a single Church Father prior to the 4th Century who taugh what Calvin did. And Augustine was closer to Arminian or Lutheran teaching than equal ultimacy.
@@seanchaney3086 "prior to 4th century " implies you admit that some after that time did teach as Calvin did, secondly our ultimate appeal or authority is not to the Fathers (nor to Calvin for that matter) so its not a particularly important question.
@@seanchaney3086 Clement of Rome written as early as 70 A.D Clement of Rome, says, “Seeing then that we are the special elect portion of a Holy God, let us do all things that pertain unto holiness.”
“Sola scriptura”. Is the slogan of the reformed movement. Yet they really don’t go by what they say. They don’t really believe in “scripture alone”. And it’s obvious by how they are ALWAYS quoting from other sources such as Calvin, Luther, catechisms, church fathers, and church councils.
So it is definitely not scripture alone, unfortunately.
I am Catholic, but sang at an event held at a Presbyterian church once. The lack of religious imagery didn’t surprise me since I think it’s uncommon to see anything more than a plain cross. One thing I would like to point out in regards to the use of images and icons is that we aren’t worshipping through them. We use them to draw us into prayer. It’s like looking at a photo of your family and remembering an event. It might make you want to call and talk to a relative, but you’re not replacing the call by looking at the picture.
@@henreeeef3214 even if that was the case, traditions evolve over time. The only rule is that images not become idols to be worshipped, which isn’t how we use them. They are merely an aid in worship, similar to how singing a hymn or the psalms would be used to draw the mind and heart towards God. There’s nothing wrong if you don’t use them, but the idea that religious images are a form of idolatry is not correct.
I am Scottish Presbyterian and agree on the whole about the weird things about Presbyterians, although l don’t think they are weird, however we do show videos or in holiday clubs for children that depicts Jesus, for example preaching on the Mount, or walking about doing his miracles. Of course the children are not told to regard the images as the actual physical appearance of Jesus. Just saying, not to contradict the video creator! Of course we don’t have statues in our Church. We also believe that Jesus is not a licence to lead a sinful life, so in that sense we believe that if someone keeps leading a sinful life yet believes he or she is Christian, predestined for Heaven, then that’s not the case, as we don’t believe once saved always saved and destined for Heaven.
We also sing hymns from the Mission Praise book, as well as psalms, and we tend to stick with familiar psalms. I love “ o come o come Emanuel” and modern songs too!
The wee frees in Scotland, are very strict Presbyterian Christians, and wouldn’t even use music with the psalms, but l gave them a serious talking to, and using the Bible scripts to support the tool of music, enlightened them to employ it.
I have lived the first 50 years of my life as a Presbyterian. I can agree with the last 4 things. The first one both the church I grew up in and the church I was in after I got married had pictures of Jesus.
Was it a Reformed Presbyterian church?
Keeping the Sabbath day is a real blessing, so many Christians miss out on
This . I keep the 7th day that is on Saturday. Why do you keep the first day of the week, what is your thoughts on that❤
Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week, that's why the majority of Christians worship on that day. Also Paul said in Galatians 4:10 "You are trying to find favor with God by what you DO or DON'T DO ON CERTAIN DAYS OR MONTHS OR SEASONS OR YEARS! I FEAR FOR YOU. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing!" If you want to keep Saturday as Sabbath, that's fine but don't be "puffed up" about it in an attitude of pride as that is sinful!!
Most Christian’s confuse the moral law and the ceremonial law. The fourth commandment states keep the seventh day holy as a sabbath to the Lord. The ceremonial law was put away at the cross. There was many sabbaths in the ceremonial law. That’s what Paul was talking about.
@@garymarj6065good job
John 14:15 If you love me you will keep my commandments.
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. The Sabbath is Saturday the day the God chose. With that being said... I attend services on Sunday and rest on the Sabbath. The command is "to keep it Holy and do no work, but to rest as God rested.
@@larrydewein Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath not Sunday. In God's calendar the Sabbath ends sundown Saturday. Days don't change at midnight. So when Mary rushed to the tomb early on the first day the sun had gone down Saturday evening and Jesus was already risen. Sunday was first-fruit. wave offering of the barley. Jesus presented those who rose from grave that walked into Jerusalem. that was why he told Mary not to touch him. The Roman Catholic Church changed the day not Jesus..This they freely admit in their writings. Not being puffed up just saying.
I almost didn’t watch this because of the title until I realized you are Presbyterian.
I am not Presbyterian but a Fundamental evangelical nondenominational dispensationalist. I did, however have an absolutely amazing Presbyterian counselor who truly reflected God. I was afraid this was going to a video that slammed Presbyterians without cause. Thank you for your clear explanation of these things
As a Lutheran, I don't see much between what I'm taught and what you teach.
Raised catholic, married a baptist, attended assembly of God for many years! I've been sprinkled, and immersed. I've been saved delivered and healed! I've been church hurt and dissapointed. I've been overflowing with faith and at times had as little faith as the size of a mustard seed. I have more questions than ever before about my beliefs! I truly thought that at my age I would be so rooted in my beliefs that surely I would be comforted by prayer and calling on the Name of Jesus.......... I feel so guilty just saying that.
It's OK to have these kind of struggles at any age or stage of life. Doubt is different than disbelief. As an older person myself I look back on times of my life when I was discouraged and see how God used that to help me grow. Sometimes blessings come in strange packages. Grace and Peace to you. (Just in case anyone cares to respond to my post I won't be able to answer back as notifications aren't reaching me from CZcams.)
1. No pics of jesus... I agree
2. Baptist children... No
3. Sing Psalms ... yes
4. Sabbath... no me, but ok
5. Predestination... no, god changes his mind
I find not following an organized religion has brought me closer to God. When you spend time by yourself and pray and sit in love or peace with your heart God your answers will come. Do not allow other or yourself to make you feel shame or guilt, you are worthy and loved more then you ever will know.
It seems you have not found satisfactory answers to your questions. So you are like me at a point in my life where I had to logically rationalize things I had believed all my life into 'Is this (_____) even possible with what we know with science today? Does this (____) make any sense? Why are there so many contradictions in the bible?'
It really hit me hard one day... and then I knew It was all fake made up bs. I've been atheist ever since. And a much happier person.
@@michaelannen4168 So if Jesus were here TODAY, He would NOT allow anyone to take His picture or if they had cameras THEN, He would say that was a NO NO? You've got a problem with baptizing children? What's your take on baptizing the DEAD? Paul speaks of it as OK or are you not familiar with that? I'd like to hear you "make a JOYFUL NOISE UNTO THE LORD singing Psalms! The Sabbath - - - you DO KNOW the Sabbath Day according to God and Jesus is Saturday! Predestination: Easy, some things ARE and some things ARE NOT.
Not my will but thy will be done ✅
As if there is another option?
As a Born again Baptist believer in Jesus Christ, I don't find anything your denomination believes, except, of course, immersion. I would be most comfortable in your church!
Thanks for the video. I am a member of the Afrikaans equivalent of the Presbyterian church. The Dutch Reformed church. We believe everything you mentioned.
It is actually nice, because we can visit your church when we travel to the English speaking countries and actually feel at home.
God bless you.
Just don't forget to train the children why and what those Psalms (Tehillim) mean!!! Beautiful!!!!
Being Catholic the image of Christ on the cross reminds me of what Christ did for me. I don’t worship the image or the cross. When I kneel in church, looking at the crucifix reminds me, helps me focus on God’s mercy.
We sing the psalms too. Love singing them. We baptize babies too.
We hold the Lords day sacred and honor it. Only time we miss ( at least for me), is if I am sick.
We are saved by Grace, but good works are a product of our salvation by Grace.
We are not saved by works.
Well said.
He failed to mention the really odd stuff. Their acronym TULIP and what it stands for is scary.
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What does it stand for?
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All presbyterians are Calvinists...followers of the principles set forth by John Calvin.
T= Total depravity means we are all totally depraved due to original sin. Most Christians believe we are deprived.
U=Unconditional election means that God chooses to save some people and to pass over others. He has a love for some people he does not have for others. Most Christians believe that God wants to save everyone and also that this theory eliminates man's free will.
L=Limited atonement means Jesus died only for those he chose, not for the whole world, despite John 3:16 stating that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.
I=Irrestible grace means if God chose you as his elect you cannot choose otherwise. This reflects his power. Most Christians acknowledge God is all powerful, but that we have free will, which allows us to choose against God.
P=Perseverence of the saints means all those who truly have believed in God will never finally fall away. God will not let us fall from his grace. This is also known as "once saved always saved".
You can search things like "why the 5 points of Calvinism are not biblical" and get more detail on this. Research shows Presbyterian denominations are declining dramatically.
Hope this helps
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Thank you so much, Trudy.
I've been around a long time and have never heard about that.
Oddly enough, the only thing that I ever heard was that Presbyterians were the rich Protestants, the ones with money.
I was a member of a Presbyterian church for ten years.
Nobody told me that it believes in predestination and TULIP.
There is no gospel in Calvinism.
1. I agree
2. The main difference between Baptists and Presbyterians (this is the most compelling explanation I’ve ever heard, even more so than Doug Wilson’s)
3. I like this
4. I love a good Sunday nap
5. Yes and amen
I was very interested in what you said about honoring the Sabbath then I realized you were celebrating the Catholic Sabbath but everything else you mentioned was very interesting and inspiring.
Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as authorized by God after Christ arose and worshipped with the disciples on Sunday, and every subsequent Sunday until His ascension.
@@sheryllynmc Actually Sunday is the Catholic Sabbath the Catholic Church even admits that it was the Catholic Church that changed the Sabbath to Sunday and MANY years after Jesus. Also the Catholic Church claims the Church sanctified Sunday because they did NOT want to worship on Saturday because they did not want be associated with those that killed Jesus. Sunday is a Catholic sabbath Saturday is still the true Sabbath. Check out history please don’t take my word for it. I hope you actually do check it out but you probably will consider me an idiot and refuse to seek the truth.
@cdmcintyre1854 how did the church get this wrong so early ???
@@bigtobacco1098 Actually it became official after the Catholic Church declared Sunday the new sabbath in 336 AD.
@@bigtobacco1098 The Catholic Church didn’t get it wrong they changed the worship day on purpose. Find ONE official verse in the Bible that actually says that SUN DAY is the new Sabbath. God did not change His mind or His Commandment. Catholic Pope did it in 336 AD. I think that The SDA church has a monetary reward if anyone can find a verse in the Bible that proves the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Contact them with your evidence.
We just started attending a Presbyterian church. It’s been so nice. Good Bible teaching, incredible worshipful singing. They sing regular current worship songs. My husbands hates the “ turn around and meet someone” part lol . He hates it in every church. We’ve gone to Calvary Chapel for ever but since pastor Chuck died the inconsistency is to great and I’m over it.
My hubby hates that part too. He really just doesn’t want to do it. So, he’s not alone.
Haha! I dislike it too. It's so meaningless and silly and seems to really break the "flow." Its so funny, I attend an Anglo Catholic Church now having attended many different denominations in the past and universally ppl complain about it.
Predestination is never, not once, ever mentioned in the Bible for individuals. It’s always plural, and refers to the Church collectively being predestined.
This is never Baptism but dedication into a denomination. Babies are never baptized but dedicated into various denominations. Only believers are baptized and is always full immersion. He that believes and is baptized will be saved Mark 16:16
My wife and I just joined a PC USA denomination and we both feel God led us to this wonderful church - Southminster Presbyterian in Dayton, OH. Absolutely love it and I really enjoy your videos Pastor Matt. They provide great information and I really appreciate you and your ministry. God bless you.
Also from Dayton, OH (Kettering) Born and raised at Westminster Presbyterian Church!
Avoiding 2CV is not strange. Stay the course, my good man!
Except most of what people claim is a 2CV doesn't actually violate the 2C.
Predestination used to sound absurd to me. Now, it makes perfect sense. When I act, it is caused by who I am and the environment that I am in. I don't do things randomly. If it seems random, you just don't know me well enough. My actions may even seem random to me, but they aren't. Causality is integral to the scientific method. If I do something because of who I am, I am still responsible for my actions. So, the end of the universe has already been decided. That feels cold-hearted and cruel, but religion is about believing that it isn't. That takes a lot of faith.
I love hearing the Psalms sung
Keeping the Sabbath on Sunday is a Catholic custom.
Nice description! My Cumberland Presbyterian had/has a beautiful choir, great sermons, wonderful preachers, and people...
I'm now Messianic and have embraced Leviticus 23...and The Way of Yeshua...
This was a perfect description of a lovely church...
FYI, the Cumberlands broke away from the mainline Presbyterians over Calvinism ie, that God predestines certain people for salvation and creates the rest to be destroyed in order to "glorify Himself".- a heresy that contradicts the bible and blasphemes God's character. What the bible ACTUALLY teaches is that all men are born separated from God because of Adam's sin but they are all likewise accepted by Christ's substitutionary sacrifice, but it's offered to each as a gift which they are free to either accept or refuse. God doesn't force salvation on some and withhold it from others as these TULIP Presbyterians teach.
How was Jesus baptized? Was He an adult? Was He sprinkled or immersed? Baptism is telling the world that you have decided to follow Jesus.
Good Job brother!!
I am Presbyterian and we have beautiful stained glass windows with a huge image of Jesus at the front of our church.
Jesus forbid images, did he not?
I’m Christian like to learn of different traditions. I like this guy.
It’s amazing to me how different churches will take a few words or a phrase out of the Bible and all but spin it to what that want it to mean as an ABSOLUTE! I grew up in the Methodist Church, and I almost think my wonderful Mother believed that the Methodists were the only ones going to Heaven! In addition, for the last 10 years I have gone to the Church Of Christ, and I can promise you they will take a few words and spin them to their benefit……I tend to think we will all get a big surprise one day! May God Bless you all, everyone.
Singing the Psalms! 😮 I love that idea! How beautiful! Now I have to do a You Tube search for singing Psalms😊
I go to non denominational church..I don't find these practices strange. I myself do take or use any artwork or images of Christ. I'm also not big on the worship music. I would prefer to sing hymns or the psalms(which I never have sung the psalms)...wait.. maybe I need to check out a presbyterian church. Love your videos Matthew!
oh, one thing I forgot about 5 strange things: no national or Christian flag on the podium (stage). After getting an explanation, I like it!
My father is a preacher in the orthodox presbyterian church, and has been since i was 6 or 7 (I'm 43 now). I can confirm all of these are true, at least for the more conservative denominations. I would say he was a bit looser on the Sunday rules in that recreation was fine, but we couldn't skip services or engage in commerce to do it. If we had ever wanted to go fishing between the morning and evening services, he probably would have let us, provided that we didn't have to pay to do it. He'd even watch the Eagles play football on tv, though i don't think that he would physically go to a game on a Sunday.
I’m a big proponent of psalmody. Unfortunately, the Presbyterian denomination I grew up in (PCA) has for the most part adopted the “praise band/praise team” model with Hillsong-type music. Psalmody is not weird: Psalmody is singing God’s own words back to God.
We adopted a very limited amount of 'praise' music. Our church was PC USA. Unfortunately, due to changing tastes and demographics, our church folded.
Thank Issac Watts for flinging wide the door to man made hymns. The church largely forsook Psalmody and never looked back.
I do like and kinda agree with what you said about images and the Lord's Day. My Baptist grandma used think going fishing on Sunday was one of the worst sins imaginable haha
You should have told her Saturday was the Sabbath Day because God rested and DECLARED IT HOLY!
@@larrydewein she knew better. She wasn't Jewish!
Mine too!
As someone who was forcibly raised in the Mormon church,I was confused by the statues of Moroni on their temples, not to mention the huge state of Jesus in their temple square visitor center and the many statues spread around the state of Utah of their prophets. What ever happened to no idols or graven images?
I appreciate you sharing your faith. I find it very interesting and inspired. I love you lots too. God Bless and keep you.