Use your BODY (not your arm) for Forehand Power
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This really improved my consistency. I was using my arm throughout the whole stroke. During tight matches, this method would give and I'd be hitting the ball too late and spray it. But by concentrating on using my body to generate the power, and then using my arm/hand just to guide it (vs to generate power), it led to a more consistent, powerful stroke. Thanks a mill!
So glad to hear that, vipm!
Thank you Kevin. You are right, we need mentors. Learning a lot. though i am professional doctor and play tennis for enjoyment but you are making me love it more and more, thank you Essential Tennis, Ian, Kevin and Kirby
Kevin, you explain things very well. When I listen to your explanations, I understand perfectly! Thanks so much!
Great video, I’m going to focus on using my body more for the unit turn and less on trying to use my arm to swing faster
I was thinking of this conundrum just earlier today! how crazy that you guys produce a video on this exact topic! funny how the universe work and thanks for the debunking!
Arm and hand only to guide. Nicely put. Thanks Kevin!
Thanks, great clarification. Still struggling to "pacify" the arm and engage the torso more. Set-up, Set-up, Set-up.
Thanks for the video!
Excellent video! Thanks
This was AMAZING. I need to get more core and body into my strokes. I love the medicine ball idea. Thanks!
The medicine ball drill and analogy super-powered my forehand, thanks!
Great video!! Hope we can see something like this for every shot!! Never said I wasn’t greedy hahah maybe for the wta style of forehand too!
Great suggestions, tennis nerd!
Very helpfull !
I remember hitting the ball twice with loose arms and a full rotation. I could hear the ball give a nice pop on my racket, I remember how effortless it was and I remember slowly breathing out on the unit turn (like Federer). It was the best yet easiest shot I've made on court! Thanks for reinforcing the unit turn, Kevin!
Perhaps in the unit turn, you can talk about breathing out. Both Barty and Federer do a good job on this!
Thank you so much for this video. I've grown to really despise my forehand. My contact point is too late which is why I'm often off balance on my back foot. My elbow is too close to my body because my arms aren't extended enough for the unit turn. The unit turn on my backhand seems to come more natural to me. I presume it's because I'm stepping in with my dominant right leg as opposed to the left on my forehand side (in a classical close stance). It's so frustrating. Anyway, wishing you and your family all the best with your new adventure in Tulsa. You'll both be missed.
That's exactly what i need to work on, bringing my body into my shots more.
Hope this video helped, Walter!
You guys are great teachers!
Thanks so much, Tom!
Thanks!
That's what I've experienced, yes, and that's what I want to keep focusing on.
Great video. Please suggest some drills for using body for rotation.
Great explanation .I am a beginner and my coach always says that i am not coiling my body when playing forehand or backhand ..This is really affecting me and these tips are gonna help me for sure to correct my technique...Thank you and keep making more content on scientific aspects of playing tennis.
Barath Manohar study Tai Chi to learn controlled balanced movement. Notice the players he shows are balanced with still centered heads as they stroke. enjoy the game
@@ken-mb5cp Thanks for the suggestion..I will definitely learn it and try to improve my movements.. Thank you :)
Man I struggle with this so hard.
May have already been stated; but around 6:58 you said "You'll find that you can get it further without using your body as much" - I think you meant to say "You'll find that you can get it further without using your arms as much.".
I was doing some practise swings in my room with these tips in mind. Coiling the body and use the shoulder. I sensed that my arm was waaay more relaxed to almost just being there and flop around and that the lag and snap actually came pretty much by itself.
Now I am still a very low level player, just playing seriously for a year (age 29) and I watched a lot of vids on how to improve my game. And I learned about the lag and snap and was using it ingame but with these tips I figured out I am using my arm wrong. I had too much tention and tried to force the hits too much, forcing the movements I learned with my arm/wrist.
Hopefully the weather is decent tomorrow so that I can try to use this with practise. See how it feels.
If you read this and think that I implemented it wrong, please correct me. =)
Definitely sounds like you're on the right track, Wacko! Let us know how it goes!
Nice explanation of the modern forehand. The thing I don't like about Jack Sock's forehand is that he leads with his bent elbow which puts the arm in an awkward position during the swing. And it might put more stress on the tendons of the elbow and in the long run lead to elbow injuries. The Tsitsipas swing looks more like Feds who at age 38 has not had a major arm injury. If I copy anyone, it would be Fed.
Good video
Question: how heavy a medicine ball do you recommend?
power starts in the rear foot comes up through the hips and out through the arm to the ball. kapow
You are right
Thanks for watching!
And where is "the extension" here?
Kevin--I watched this a number of times and there is still a question. At the beginning you show that shoulders are turned more than hips (I am watching Tsisipas in particular) and your comment is 'hips are kinda facing inward". Are you asking us to turn shoulders more than hips but turn hips too? The reason I ask is I am not clear whether the uncoiling should be hips then shoulders, then arm, or hips/shoulders then arm. I try to do what Naomi O. does, and to me she is hips, then shoulders, then arm, much like a golfer, and it is a very distinct process (1-2-3). What do you advise? Not clear the way you describe or the way the video is shown....Thanks!
Dan Silver Shoulders first sir! Hips will turn naturally unless you don't allow them to. Basically your swiveling. Act like your an old school robot from the 50's. Very rigid turns. If your standing up turn left turn right in the same spot.
When he said "lag and snap" i got chris rock vibes
😂
I’ve been playing 10 years and can do a really good backhand but I have trouble rooting and staying down enough to hit a forehand like I do my backhand. If I do a two handed forehand I have no problem getting to hit all the markers and lag, but that is not viable in a match. I need to get my forehand down already.
Can you do those drills with a rubber band instead of medicine ball?
How heavy was Ian's medicine ball?
Not very heavy....I think it's 6 or 8 pounds.
Finally.....
I want the fundamentals of Wawrinka's backhand, Sampras serve, Edbergs volley, Djokovics return, Nadal s mental toughness, Changs speed.
Robert Renk first learn to balance on balls of feet
Ken 1 I find balance to be highly overrated....it’s far better to stumble around the court like a drunken sailor...everything becomes totally unpredictable...confuses my opponent
The most common mistake that I see as a High School tennis coach is hitting off the back foot. You want to try to step in to the ball and unwind with the hips and core muscles. Yes your arm and wrist do generate racquet speed but the large muscles in your core and legs generate that extra power. So in a long rally or match your have the endurance to hit a heavy ball that wears your opponent down. I also drill my players to constantly hit deep with in three feet of the baseline at a minimum. You want to push your opponent back so you can attach. Pound from the ground by cranking around ( using hips and core like in this video) When I coach between sets I like to give easy to remember sayings that players can remember.
While you are 100% correct, it is important to note that for an ATP forehand once the unit turn is completed as the elbow extends the forearm needs to remain pronated. You can see this both with Sock and Tsitsipas. Of course you can still hit a powerful forehand even if your forearm supinates as you extend the elbow but you won’t get the same stretch shortening reaction that creates a bit more speed and spin. You’ll get lag in either case due to using your body properly but more spin and speed if you leave the forearm pronated as you extend the elbow.
Robin Soderling--the Master of Body Forehand Power.
Huge hitter!
nice tip about the medicine ball, will try to incorporate it more in my strokes!
手力必须和身力結合在一起
Kevin, that such a good video, clear and very important. I wish you had a wooden mannequin with a spring in it to show.
Thanks for watching, Frederic!
Sock has a huge arm for a tennis player.
Definitely!
Dear ET, I agree that body helps to create more power, but You said that the swing is created by the body. After such statement I’m affraid that people will forget about hitting with arm. And in the end it’s the arm that should move faster :)
The arm is attached to the body and the hand, the element holding the racquet, is the part which, properly done, ends up moving fastest and thereby transmitting that speed to the racquet itself. Provided your arm/hand is relaxed rotating the shoulders will generate the speed and because of initial inertia the hand lag will happen. Then as the body extremity, the hand, moves along the circumference of the circle around the pivot centre, the trunk, it has no option but to move fastest, simply because those bodily attachments dictate that the time of rotation will be the same for all but the distance covered in that same unit of time will increase from centre to periphery. The racquet head will, of course, travel even faster.
Lastly, one point not directly touched on by Kevin, is that if this rotation is then suddenly stopped the energy developed will flow towards the furthest moving point (centrifugal force). This is the other end of the lag at the start which arose from the inertia of getting the (relatively) heavy weight moving. Think of the action of cracking a whip and the speed that the tip consequently achieves - sure, that's a pure arm/hand movement but it's the rapid change of wrist direction which accellerates the whip tip.
The whole process is essentially the same as executing a serve well. In each case the arm is incidental to the energy generation and serves only to, firstly, provide the loose connection so that the racquet head can be accellerated and, secondly, play a part in directing the ball through lateral movement.
Murdoch M Dear Murdoch, what you’ve written it’s all true, but it works In discipline like baseball- one strike without a lot of control. Tennis is about power and precision with loose arm like here said you will never be precise. Among pros only Roger is so relaxed, but he is not the hardest hitter and he frames a lot. Almost all other pros hold their racquets much tighter then people think. And that’s why they are hitting with such power. Certainly not because they are super relaxed.
BUT YOU NEED "HEAVY ARMS" AS WELL
Sissypas! 🤣😂🤣
Lag and snap does not seem necessary. I would take Sampras and Agassi's forehands over either one of these two forehands and no one talks about their lag snap. I think Sampras and Agassi had two of the greatest forehands of all time next to Fed, Joker and Nadal.
I agree, it's not needed to play great tennis.
you don't have to explain. You are correct that if you use your body and good hip rotation into the shot, you get more Power and More spin. Only issue comes up when you are late on the shot because very powerful shot is coming at you at times.
Jin Jin that’s timing just takes practice. I find if I move back on hard shots have more time and contact point moves forward
I know that I learned from Vladmir. :(
Vlad - guy who pretended to be one and only tennis coach?
Marek333MM the guy who cut the bullshit.
++Rafael Nicoletti
No more :( Rafael. Search the CZcams for "Powerflail", it should come up.
Vladimir.
Rafael Nicoletti Vlad knows nothing about tennis. His idea about only rotation is hilarious. He „deconstructs” Kevin Anderson - Top 10 player - it’s a Joke. Maybe you would like to see Vlad’s rotation concept applied in the game. Watch Powerflail’s film: training with Wall - I think it is Master himself - Spectacular
Andre Ramos Simple and Pure rotation doesn’t work in professional tennis. Actually it doesn’t work in any sport at professional level.
Your explanation is too long instead goes straight to the point.
It has been well documented how terrible Jack’s action has been over the last... probably decade or so. The difference between him & Stefan is night & day.
Jack attempts to swing his racket so close to his body that it’s almost impossible for him to swing it at all.
Trying to massage the ball somewhere toward the general direction of the target.
It doesn’t matter how fast you can push the racket. Pushing the racket, is still, pushing the racket, cough, JACK SOCK!!! cough, cough.
Tsitsipas in a lot of ways does the complete opposite. After watching all the analysis however, he does only what he has to, what one should do. He just simply sticks his racket out at a decent arms length & swings it. He *belts* the ball.
You couldn’t even rank them in the same solar system so to speak.
It’s really ironic because your boy, Kevin, spells it out in the first... what? ten, twenty seconds of this video.
“So many players get caught up in the cosmetics & don’t understand the fundamentals.”
Alberto & Jack are *nothing* alike.
There is nothing wrong with Alberto’s technique at all.
The way it looks is not what it is about.
Alberto saw the success he did because more often than not, he chose to actually *hit* the ball. Something that Jack indeed seems to know at least a little bit about, but hasn’t really physically done much of, if at all, since early 2017.
I don’t “talk shit” about anyone.
That would be rude......
What I actually do is make the blatant observations that most certainly need to be made. I don’t “fail to realise” anything about Alberto’s tennis. I wasn’t talking about him in the first place; you dragged him into this. How could you possibly know beforehand my opinion on how good I think his tennis is?... You didn’t.
Extravagant takebacks, pushing the racket along some “correct swing path”, trying to disperse force through the ball by massaging the surface of the ball; aka brushing up the back of the ball, & then finally pulling the racket up to an “ideal finishing position”; aka following through, is what Jack most often chooses to do.
Where has that left him? Injured, tourless, & soul searching.
Making millions is not definitive proof of a good ball striking action.
The limitations have been removed. For God sake, people can “make millions”, a decent living now by simultaneously shaking their ass on Instagram, & promoting products they don’t believe in & would never buy themselves.
Of course, in the end, tennis coaching is not about what works anymore. It’s about fooling the snowflakes who can’t strike a flying projectile into thinking that their tennis is improving, & draining their pockets of their hard earned money once these “pros” have finished dumping tonnes of bullshit advice on top of them.
It’s not like Jack is incapable. Jack, when he gets his mind right, can strike. Violently well at that. He just for the longest time has not had faith in himself. He just chooses not to.
++Wi!l
Hey Will,
Someone has pointed me to this video and I came across your comment.
I have managed to start another CZcams channel - “Powerflail”. I will e-mail you the links and I’ll see you there!
Vladimir.
Wi!l How can you compare Millions earned by Sock with money made on Instagram?
Jack made it competing against other pros. He is injured not because of his tecnique.
I wonder how much money did you earned on the court?
Reading your comments one can easily understand that your knowledge about high level tennis is none - so, your personal tennis level must be low - 3.5 NTRP max, obvious conclusion is that you earned Zero money on court.
So, Please do not advise Jack Sock how he should play, because it’s simply ridiculous :)
Alright... I’ll just address the points you noted.
Because like tennis, you can make millions doing almost anything without *actually doing it* using smoke & mirrors, lying to yourself, & being fake.
Donald Trump is “president”, Cardi B is a “musican”, Jack Sock’s form that has him losing early in ITF challenger tournaments is for whatever reason sighted as “good technique one should use in their game”.
He’s not injured because of his technique... well, he reckons this time around he fell off his snowboard... 🙄
How much money have I made playing tennis? Well, thankfully plenty enough to afford a mobile phone with an internet connection which allows me to tell you how things really are.
What’s truely amazing is that you’re telling me I’m wrong, yet providing no explanation or evidence to prove any of the points you’ve made. Apart from “durrr” Jack Sock’s a pro” of course.
It doesn’t matter what level I play at. Some of times greatest coaches & mentors have been terrible ball strikers themselves, but that does in no way mean that they know nothing about the physics of ball striking in general.
Simultaneously, many, if not most gun players couldn’t explain the physics behind what they do to save their lives.
Again. Jack knows how to strike. He’s just to practise striking & not try take these dotty shortcuts.
I am not advising Jack of anything. I have better players to deal with. ; )
There's some good info you're sharing here but I DO NOT need to see you talking. Much more helpful for me to be watching the player WHILE you're talking. The constant switching back and forth is extremely distracting.
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