Is It REALLY Impossible To Put On Plate Armour On Your Own?
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2021
- We often say that it's impossible to put on plate armour without the help of a squire or page but is it really mechanically impossible to do? Let's see!
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An armour (spelled armor in the US) is a protective covering that is used to prevent damage from being inflicted to an object, individual, or vehicle by weapons or projectiles, usually during combat, or from damage caused by a potentially dangerous environment or action.
The word "armour" began to appear in the Middle Ages as a derivative of Old French. It is dated from 1297 as a "mail, defensive covering worn in combat". The word originates from the Old French armure, itself derived from the Latin armatura meaning "arms and/or equipment", with the root armare meaning "arms or gear".
Armour has been used throughout recorded history. It has been made from a variety of materials, beginning with rudimentary leather protection and evolving through mail and metal plate into today's modern composites.
Significant factors in the development of armour include the economic and technological necessities of its production. For instance, plate armour first appeared in Medieval Europe when water-powered trip hammers made the formation of plates faster and cheaper.
Well-known armour types in European history include the lorica hamata, lorica squamata, and the lorica segmentata of the Roman legions, the mail hauberk of the early medieval age, and the full steel plate harness worn by later medieval and renaissance knights, and breast and back plates worn by heavy cavalry in several European countries until the first year of World War I (1914-15). The samurai warriors of feudal Japan utilised many types of armour for hundreds of years up to the 19th century.
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Impressive flexibility. I really can't put on mine without help, and certainly can't take it off myself either. Your pauldrons attached through the straps like that look like they work very well.
Awesome to see you here sir!
Thanks Jason! Always a pleasure to have you here :) And of course there are so many different kinds of plate armour and configurations that really what works with one armour set, might not work with another one, it really depends. Really, what I'm doing here is just saying that the statement "putting on plate armour on your own is impossible" CAN be true, but isn't always true :D
Imagine it's 80'F-90'F out and the sun is up, but it feels like over 120'+ F inside the armor. You've been wearing the armor and exerting yourself for a while, but are now suffering from heat stroke, feel dizzy, and fumble clumsily with the straps. If you're not able to take it off or don't have anyone to help you take it off, then it sounds more like a booby trap with a timer from the horror movie Saw at that point.
@@Intranetusa ya i don't thing a full plate armor is a good Idea in the Arab world. The sun bro.
@@ailediablo79 I've tested It on the video "corazzina destruction test" It took me really MANY cuts against a non resisting mannequin to cut One single leather strap.
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That's not racist? Asking for a friend.
@@MrMetonicus No.
@@MrMetonicus as a fellow Italian, no.
@@MrMetonicus tell me real quick, how could it be racist?
@@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY I don't know, but someone will say it is.
Pretty sure you can swap one set of plate armor for another in between sword swings. I learned this from several RPGs.
Depending on your strength, you may even be able to replace one with bikini armor, I learned that from some mmoRPGs.
Of course you can as there is no time limit between those swings.
Although occasionally you need to swap some amulets or other magic trinkets as well, to meet the strength requirements for the other set of armor.
... and then, if the armor itself gives you a strength bonus, or if there's an exploit that allows you to keep wearing the armor even if you no longer meet the requirements, you may swap back to your original magic trinkets.
I imagine knights & men-at-arms would’ve practiced doing this, because although situations where people would need to do this would be rare, they would happen.
Also I dont see why knights and especially man-at-arms couldnt help each other with the more difficult pieces. I know nobility and whatnot, but people were practical back then.
@@Debilinside Not mention even nobility wouldn't be stupid enough to not wear armor they had because it was a bit awkward to put on.
People during these times weren't stupid they knew perfectly well how vital having an armor in a fight was and IIRC squires trained to be a knight from fairly young age, early teens unless I'm mistaken and would also aid the knight they were serving under to dress to they'd learn how to put on an armor anyway, so it's not much of a leap that they'd also practice putting their own armor in case they was no-one present who could help them and it was needed.
@@SampoPaalanen I mean, stupid people aren't a recent invention. I'm sure that there was a range of examples back then.
@@m0nkEz Obviously I was just referring to the stereotype that people in medieval Europe were total idiots who couldn't have figured out things what modern people can in less then a minute (like that sharp blades work better for cutting things).
Yeah, but military shit then to weed out moronic designs and behavior very quickly, unless reason is budgetary.
I'm quite certain that the one who figured this method out originally was an introvert who didn't want to ask anyone for help.
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or a poor medicant knight who didnt have the resources to pay a squire... not to mention mercenaries likely would learn be self reliant too
Nah, it was a squire who wanted to try on his master's armor in secret without anyone knowing.
Saturday night and I just got paid!
*Puts armor on by himself*
“He’s too dangerous to be left alive!”
Yeah but he's too well protected to kill so..
Great reference
Execute order 66 (likes).
History aside, the realism of the fantasy lone knight/adventurer in full plate armor just went up.
Just take easier to wear plate armor like brigandene.
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Or mail, since it's also (mostly) self cleaning when worn.
@@1IGG a brigandine wouldn't protect you too well against a warbow or a musket something that bandit could use
@@yoshi658 ? what?
@@blackdeath4eternity if you see the tests against brigandines by Todd form todd workshop they don't fare well
Knights were professional soldiers. I'd be amazed if they didn't envision a scenario in which they had no retainers immediately available and having envisioned it, I'd be very surprised if they didn't practice it. Modern soldiers practice for all sorts of "what if" scenarios which are unlikely and our ancestors were no less intelligent or serious about their craft.
They're not soldiers they are nobility and they're the only one who can afford full body armor beside they are always on a horse even if they get captured they will not be harmed because the ransom
@@TheMattsem they were both. How do you think nobles became nobles in the first place?
That being said, like any other group they presumably would have had a wide range of competence. From skilled, pragmatic soldiers, to, for example, the knights at agincourt who leroy jenkins'ed through mud to get at the longbowmen.
@@m0nkEz The French knights in the Hundred Years War were in general a joke for a long time. Partly because they had to stand out somehow to have any chance at inheriting something decent after the war was over. But then again, it takes a very twisted definition of honor or self-promotion to intentionally cut down friendly soldiers like at Crecy.
@@m0nkEz and failed
But But...Our ancestors are STUPID!
Metatron, i know this may be really off topic, but could you some day talk about battle injuries, how soldiers was scarred during battle and the physical and mental trauma after them? I feel this is a really unexplored topic that could get some coverage.
I second this
There are many indications for PTSD and showing weakness was a taboo, but on the other hand, you would have your full support of your people and wars were not quite as extreme as today regarding the fact that you can die anytime anywhere...
Amputees without family support had it super tough and either begged or became criminals.
Concerning emotional trauma i remember that Guy Halsall shares some thoughts about it in the book "Warfare And Society In The Barbarian West 450-900", going through something like a diary written by a (as far as i recall) frankish nobleman. I've read that there is a controversy about some of his publications, but i enjoyed eyeing through this book and found especially this part really interesting. (Haven't read it completely yet tho, as i was mostly interested in the carolingian army around the year 800)
Just drink it off boy I think that was the medicine back in the day
I recommend reading wikipedia page about the battle of fontenoy (The one in the year 841, not the one in 1700s) one of the soldiers wrote a poem about how horrible the battle was, there is also a book by a french knight geoffroi de charny, who among other thing wrote how uncomfortable and tiering war is
Finally some proof of Shaggy hiding in plate armor by putting it on himself quickly without help when a monster from Scooby Doo is chasing him in a haunted castle.
Funny thing, this pretty much happened in the first published Conan story, The Phoenix on the Sword; Conan, king of Aquilonia, had a vision in a dream, and got up to put on his armor. Four assassins entered his bedroom, expecting a soft target, and finding an angry barbarian in almost completely donned plate armor. Predictable consequences follow. Well, up to the point of the demon ape's arrival, that is. ;)
The best fight seen *ever* at the story's end! I could visualize everything so vividly because Howard was and still is a *GENIUS* !
And I thought it was like 7-8 assassin's🤔
I loved that Conan used armour in the original stories.
You could also have a situation where your squire has other things he needs to do, so you put on whatever armour you can while he is otherwise occupied and then when he returns helps with the last pieces and final adjustments.
Putting on plate armor without help is impossible.
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It seems to me the obvious answer would be "depends on the contex-I mean harness"
Idk why we'd assume a binary answer here.
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Ive seen videos on youtube of people putting on 1450's era plate without help years ago
I wonder if there were man-at-arms doing this to show off or to win bets with each other.
Probably do
Next time he's gonna get on a horse without a crane winch guys!!!
Whoah, let's not get too outside the realm of possibilities. Next you'll tell me they could pick themselves up if they were knocked over.
Thank you so much for this video! I've always taken issue with the idea that plate armour is "impossible to put on by yourself" - I've asked a few other historical YTers about this hypothetical scenareo where a knight or man-at-arms needs to armour themselves without help, and I was always told that such a situation just "wouldn't happen", and that such a fighter would "always have a page or squire to help them." So seeing somebody actually use a set of historically accurate plate armour and arm themself almost entirely in it (possibly entirely depending on the style) is fantastic! Excellent video.
My pleasure. Technically their answer Is correct. But for those 1 or 2% of extravagant situations you now have your answer
I would assume that this was more commonly done by very successful mercenaries rather than nobles. This is just an assumption but I can think of many,many scenarios where a mercenary captain would have to spring up at moments notice and quickly put his armor on while those who would usually help him would be too busy putting their own gear on or already fighting an ambush.
Something i just realized watching this (as always amazing) video: thanks to you and the other guys of the community of the sword i went from thinking that Braveheart depicts the whole middle ages accurately to knowing that there is so much that i don't know in nearly no time. You (and others) provide us with knowledge we otherwise maybe wouldn't even be aware of its existance and present it in such an entertaining way that we learn effortlessly from it. And whenever you come up with something completely new to me that i find particularly interesting, your videos motivate me to investigate further. Thank you so much for your work.
I went through the same when I found the community. So much misinformation going around!
Ohyoudambetcha they did it alone... I suspect this was a standing "Bar-bet"... "I can not only get harnessed faster than you I can do it ALONE faster than you can with help..."
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Well I remember watching a lecture by Dr Tobias Capwell and he managed to get into his gothic harness by himself.
Yeah
Love the warhammer minis and board games in the background. This video was great. You always make the best content
you should consider being an air guide, the way to give the indications to put on the life jacket (call it breastplate if you want), is fantastic. I would pay attention for once.
I'd love to see soon a collab with an Armourer where you reinvent the design where you can wear armour solo easily.
This reminds me of when I was in Marching Band in high school and college. A lot of people acted like it was impossible to put on the uniform without help, but I was almost always able to do so, lol. I guess some people just aren't as flexible as others, lol 😅.
This reminded me of this one scene in Game of Thrones where Jorah Mormont is asked by Danny to put on his armor when the ritual to heal Drogo was about to start. It's never shown how he manages to do this and if anyone helps him, but I always thought he put it on by himself. Considering he experienced banishment for a long time already by this point in the story, and probably didn't have a squire or anyone helping him, he probably would have had to learn to armor up by himself. Great video.
Jorat was a poor, homeless knight. 🤪
@@TrungNguyen-du9cn What are you going on about. Ser Jorah was a spy on a Royal mission. He was the furthest thing from poor or homeless.
A deluded fool perhaps but homeless not a chance.
@@clothar23 Jorah was disowned by his family and, from what I remember, wanted in Westeros for slave-trade. The mission was probably given by Varys with absolution being a likely reward. By the purest definition of the word he was indeed homeless. What he had on his person is likely everything he owned when he entered Danny's service.
Amazing topic to make a video on an perfect timing for me. I was writing a character yesterday who wears medieval-like armor with the straps and all, this is an amazing reference thank you!
leather cords and a few more holes I can Imagine a "Quick wear" self Harness armour.
What if the knights are helping each other while wearing the armors instead of the need of squires?? also, in emergency situation, the knight can also just equip breastplates only or with helmet, instead a full armor.
Although the popularity of brigandine armor, even among royalty seems to be one of evidence that some people prefer easy & fast equip on their own. You can most certain wear brigandine armor on your own.
I love how you dashed the myths here that you can't dawn your own armor. does it require flexibility? Sure a little bit of time absolutely. But you did a fantastic job with this video!
This is great reference for designing video game armour! I love seeing how all the components interconnect and strap together within the range of motion. Thank you!
Putting on my one piece motorbike leather suit on my own is a nightmare, I can only imagine the struggle with that 😂
The strap in the back that's the hardest because of flexibility issues. I love when people say something is impossible because that's an absolute and all you have to do is to show one time that you can do it, and then it automatically makes the statement "it's impossible" false. (Having said that, free energy machines are impossible, so not everything that people say is impossible is actually possible.)
Of course the answer is "Depends on the design of the plate armor"
This is crucial information for my role campaigns. Thank you for doing this.
I want him to combine his brigandine with the rest of his plate armor
I don't think the sizing would work there. Brigandine is fairly bulky, and his late-style breastplate is pretty closely tailored.
You should record audio books. Ngl I love falling asleep to your Q&A vids! But really interesting video!
Great video, like always 👍
My perception has never been that it was IMPOSSIBLE to suit up without squires, so much that the armor was designed with the idea that a knight would have help suiting up in mind, which made certain strap and fastening methods which offer better protection but are a pain to fasten alone more viable.
It would be cool to analyze different surviving examples of armor that exist to see if anyone did have a suit designed with features more suited to donning armor singlehandedly, like easier to reach buckles or different fastening methods more conducive to putting armor on without servants in a rush.
"I am flexible. That helps"
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I think that a lot of this myth comes from tournament armours which can actually be impossible to fully put on by yourself, some of them actually required blacksmiths to tap pins into them to lock some elements firmly into place.
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I have always wanted to know how a knight put on his armor, this one really helped him make some sense of it
The first few straps would be easier in reverse with the clasp at the front and the rear claps if lower down would also be a lot easier to fit yourself. An excellent video explanation as always Sir Knight.
next vid: "How to protect yourself from a home invasion if you are a medieval noble/knight (and you forgot to buy machicolations)?"
Cool video. Interesting to see how the "clunky knight" myth is getting debunked by the YT historical community.
That Harness is beautiful
Great stuff Metatron, keep it up. It is absolutely probable that knights knew well how to do it and would have put their own armor on if they had to. As you have done well to help educate the masses about, medieval people were far from ignorant buffoons.
Okay, NOW you're just showing off! Jeez!
Seriously though, this was actually very informative!
The method you used to put on the breast plate is the same method I used to put on my body armour during an attack when I was on tour.
This was an awesome test, and both confirmed as well as disproved some of my concerns about attempting to point articles of plate armor to an arming garment.
That being said, I think there's more to be said about certain configurations of armor - as you demonstrate in this video - being impossible to do on your own. I think there was probably even a social element to armor that was inherently more difficult to put on yourself. As a wealth / status statement.
Seeing you manipulate your body and armor was amazing.
I have wondered abt that solo knight wandering if he could maintain his armor and put it on without help.
It pretty much proved some of the points I made abt knights and training.
They had to be flexible, agile, and strong. Similar to today's US Marines or elite forces.
Wonderful video thank you.
The way you narrate the otherwise silent demonstration does remind me of the safety presentation before each flight in an airplane. :D
Very impressive, mate!
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Nicely done. Even if awkward it was fun and satisfying to see you demonstrate the capability while also challenging some entrenched thinking.
Perhaps with the assumption of help being readily available the armourers of the day deemed it unnecessary to emphasize self-reliance.
Such armour (as seen by me, a layman noob), is 'pretty' - even simpler designs, yet clearly highly functional while focusing on the status of the wearer.
But I can't help think that if you weren't concerned with appearance (straps pulled forward instead or a deliberate lack of symmetry in the plates) you could dress yourself easily and quickly - if that was the paramount goal of a redesign.
My only trouble with the thought is that trial of donning or doffing armour is such a small consideration compared to focusing on 'while worn' ergonomics and requirements that they never thought it was worth it.
Maybe the notion of wandering implausibly wealthy warriors who have no need of followers or companions is more reasonable in a fantasy medieval European setting, like clam-shelled ronin.
Next video,
Metatron in melee combat against himself.
Love your videos!, would love to see some videos about iberic history.
Pd: i would look like duck putting myself an armour
Very good work Raph, Maybe in those situations the knight might opt to put his beautiful front opening brig on instead ;) . If time is pressing it's a good idea to have something like that.
One must be very flexible and be in good physical condition to pull this process off. A great video to get guys like me out and exercising so we fit into our armor a lot better 👌😀👍
Your demonstration style reminds me of a flight attendant going through the preflight safety beiefing.
When my squire eats our last potato... *choke squire* "shhh shhh sleep now... Dammit now what about my armor!"
I put full plate on without help regularly. The main trick is pre-assembling as much as possible. Padded chausses pointed to arming cote. Arms tied to Cote. Pauldrons tied to cuirass straps. Placard and cuirass buckled. Maille sleeves on the cote (and not snagging!). I put on padded chausses first, arms in the cote. Now my arm harness is dangling. It should be at this point. Lace the cote. Add sabatons, greaves, and cuisses. If you use a gorget/mantle/standard now is when to add it. Same with a maille skirt, but if you point the skirt, point it when you add the maille sleeves. Now strap the arms on. Put on the cuirass assembly next. Buckle/pin the side and buckle pauldron straps. At this point add the tabbard or surcote if you use one and all that are left are gaunts and helm. Done. The only think I can't do myself is buckle the safety strap that connects the back of my helm to my back plate. (Not necessary unless fighting in IMCF/ACS events). In fact... I'll be arming up like this around 3pm today.
Idk if this was your intention but these videos are so relaxing for some reason.
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It reminds me of the myth that you can barely move in armour, which has been utterly debunked. It really shows that practicality came first when designing a suit of armour, then the question is how much protection could be added without sacrificing practicality.
Yeah, it's honestly baffling how long it took for people to question that enough to get it tested. If the armor was that terrible, anyone not on a horse would be useless in a fight and people on a horse would be pikes set for a charge away from being useless in a fight.
It's similar with weapon weights. For years, people assumed those weapons weighed a lot more than they do and were generally very cumbersome. The reason for both is that non-functional display pieces were used for reference. Of course something no one was meant to wear or use in combat's going to weigh more, because no one's going to take the time to shave-down the excess weight.
It would probably be more likely to run into this scenario if you're on campaign and the enemy ambushes your camp. You may not go through the effort of putting on a full suit, but the breastplate and leg armor would be prudent. It's less a matter of "all your squires are dead," more so "shit, I need to hurry and everyone's probably busy fighting or trying to get armed themselves."
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Skyrim: Open your backpack, select amongst your 60 different pieces of armour, click the chosen pieces and they are equipped in an instant.
Great video.
I guess technically speaking, drinking from a bowl using your tongue like a cat is not impossible to do, but drinking from a cup is still so much easier and faster.
*edit:* Don't get me wrong, this is not an attempt to dismiss anything you said or did in this video.
so to recap, in theorie you can, however it takes so long you wil not only miss the battle, you'll miss the whole war :P
I can put on my set in full all by myself without much of an issue.
I just piece half of it together beforehand and worm my way into the upper body.
Not convenient of a way, but if you don't have anyone to help, it's a viable strategy.
Love This Video. But can you do a video for mix-matching armors. What is Realistic, what is plausible, what is pure fiction, and so on.
I would prefer to design a plate armor set specifically for quick solo equipping. I have some good ideas but have yet to test anything.
Hey, I haven't seen very much about the Teutonic Knight Order(The Brothers of the German House Of Saint Mary) and the armor and weapons they used.
This is an interesting topic due to the polarizing commercialization of the equipment seen in recreations.
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A question (myself knowing very little about armour historically or otherwise),
Would it be too anachronistic to attach the buckles & straps around the other way (ie buckles at the front where it’s easier to reach them). Is there a reason the buckles are at the back?
That is precisely why it's a bad idea to place the buckles facing outwards: it is easy to access them. I'm sure there were other reasons, but one of them is that combat in full plate armour often ended up as grappling matches with daggers involved, and the combatants would cut the leather straps to get beneath the armour. In this scenario, it would be far easier to open up the straps if the buckles faced outwards.
Many if not most men at arms/knights would've served as pages & squires earlier in life, so would be intimately trained already how to put armour on another at the very least. Probably (Boys will be boys) tried putting it on yourself too, when nobody was looking. Breast plate-plackart & helmet are the most essential.
Thought I'd always read that you start with the feet & legs, then presumably cuirass, plackart, tassets, arms, spaulders, bevoir/gorget, helmet, lastly, gauntlets. Reaching down for leg armour & sabatons would be harder with breastplate & plackart/faulds already fitted.
A mail shirt first, or at least voiders attached to your arming jacket to cover the gaps between the plate.Then of course most of the time there'd usually be someone else about or at least other knights/men at arms & you'd help each other.
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One of the ways we get round the arms problem is you attach the pauldrons/arms onto the Gambeson first then put the gambeson on (this only works with a gambeson you don't pull on but instead tie closed).
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But Metatron, you're the highest angel in Biblical history. Surely having godly powers helps remove this armor
I can only imagine how stupid I'd feel if I went "oh no a fight and I can't put on this armour I've been lugging around with me" 😒
I prefer my brigandine cuirass with plated vambraces and mitten gauntlets anyway, I've always been curious whether the full fluted globular breastplate and fold are actually more protective 🤔
They would both protect from cuts and thrusts about equally, but the dome shape of plated armor absorbs more blunt force then brigandine. Shad has done several tests on that.
good job on video
I really like his videos.
Great video :)
I've got a full brig set with low profile splint arms and pauldrons, I keep my pauldrons and arms attached to my gambeson and just put it on like a coat, then tighten all my straps. Then I can just put my brig on like a vest since its a center strap closure. Only thing I can't do myself is my visor strap.
I think it would have happened. I don't own knight armour but for my hoplite gear, I put it 9n by myself quite often. If n9 body is around to help, I don't see why they wouldn't. Great vid
I can. It is tricky and basically like Metatron. The hardest parts are the upper arm harness. What I did for the arms, is attaching them to the arming points while it is on a mannequin. This is for the spaulders and all the lower arm harness. I do not have pauldrons. Then I can put the arming jacket on with the arm harness attached similar to a coat. Then I put on the mail skirt, cuirass. It is certainly easier with another person. But by myself I can do it in about 10 minutes from sabatons on up.
A great film . I can put on my armour myself in multiple combinations . I think it's better that way with covid about
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In the scenario you described, the cost of trying to put on armor is that you may have to engage in combat stuck in with a half open brestplate.
Imagine it's 80'F-90'F out and the sun is up, but it feels like over 120'+ F inside the armor. You've been wearing the armor and exerting yourself for a while, but are now suffering from heat stroke, feel dizzy, and fumble clumsily with the straps. If you're not able to take it off or don't have anyone to help you take it off, then it sounds more like a booby trap with a timer from the horror movie Saw at that point.
Thank so much for showing this!
Do you happen to have lorica squamata as well? If so, could you show us how one might put that on unassisted?
lorica squamata goes on a lot like pullover with no stretch. Getting it off is not dignified but not difficult.
The fact that some gothic armors had a long strap that buckles in the front, rather than short straps that buckle on the side, for the cuirass tells me that they at the very least they considered the scenario of putting on their own armor.
What a NOVICE attempt at putting armor on by yourself.
Henry of Skalitz can remove & put on whole sets of armor within SECONDS...
Gotta work on your time, Metatron 😤😤😤😤
I love your new intro ahahahaha
The buckles on the shoulder and side also could be placed on the forward part to make it easier, although they may interfere a little with movement that way. Don't know what kind of complications that may create.