The OBJECTIVE Pokemon Games Tier List
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- Ranking all the mainline Pokemon games (except gen 1 and 2 because I'm not a boomer). Spoilers, USUM and BDSP are on the F tier!
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0:00 Intro
1:49 Ruby and Sapphire
2:38 FireRed and LeafGreen
3:38 Emerald
4:37 Diamond and Pearl
5:47 Platinum
6:30 HeartGold and SoulSilver
7:33 Black and White
8:17 Black 2 and White 2
9:15 X and Y
10:06 OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
11:17 Sun and Moon
12:23 UltraSun and UltraMoon
13:25 Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee
14:29 Sword and Shield
15:35 BrilliantDiamond and ShiningPearl
16:30 Legends Arceus
17:40 Scarlet and Violet
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Correction, HGSS came out in 2009, not 2008. Also, cry about your (insert favorite Pokemon game) being on (insert tier).
If you want to see more in-depth opinons, here's past Reviews:
Platinum - czcams.com/video/AC85rdUXdYk/video.html
Black and White - czcams.com/video/MRMpi6SWv48/video.html
Black 2 and White 2 - czcams.com/video/EyjolpWx0aw/video.html
X and Y - czcams.com/video/VnT8ajbW-E0/video.html
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire - czcams.com/video/L5SxHkr7sFA/video.html
Sun and Moon - czcams.com/video/sSQifYvd5Mg/video.html
Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon - czcams.com/video/-Cs6ydEls5w/video.html
Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl - czcams.com/video/JRCIr1QmxlU/video.html
Legends Arceus - czcams.com/video/5eETck9Z2Hs/video.html
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet - czcams.com/video/qHNFqFWjZiQ/video.html
0:00 Intro
1:49 Ruby and Sapphire
2:38 FireRed and LeafGreen
3:38 Emerald
4:37 Diamond and Pearl
5:47 Platinum
6:30 HeartGold and SoulSilver
7:33 Black and White
8:17 Black 2 and White 2
9:15 X and Y
10:06 OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
11:17 Sun and Moon
12:23 UltraSun and UltraMoon
13:25 Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee
14:29 Sword and Shield
15:35 BrilliantDiamond and ShiningPearl
16:30 Legends Arceus
17:40 Scarlet and Violet
EmErALd iSnT S TiEr wwwwaaaaaaa 🤣😂
I like your list, it's not a pokemon jerk off, just brutal honesty
POKEMON B/W WAS NOT ON A, AT THE VERY LEAST D:
I'm looking foward to see your future reviews about Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen, Emerald, Diamond/Pearl and Sword/Shield
And HeartGold/SoulSiver
X and Y have so much missed potential
Yep, they could have been masterpieces...
@@jogymogy3691 So could have literally any other bad game on this list. Why does XY always gets a special treatment?
@@c0mpu73rguy I guess the base parts of it are so good, while some like SM and Swsh's linear maps, may be hard to change - I guess the story for SwSh too, but it could be possible to add more context if there was a 3rd game for it.
@@zjzr08 SwSh could have used a 3rd verison.
@@c0mpu73rguy because they are just ok
Emerald to BW2 era was golden age then the 3d nation attacked
The 2d nation was overwhelmed by the amount of handholding and unskipable cutscenes and then shortly after the 2d nation had fallen
The Z version could've brought everything back on track...
i’d say sun and moon marked the beginning of the dark times. ORAS was alright.
@@rod6722 I don’t get why oras couldn’t release in 2015 and Z release in 2014
@@flowersinawasteland It is very interesting that they decided to go the Gen 3 route of New -> Remake-> Third over Gen 4's New -> Third -> Remake...I wonder if GO's success made them think to quickly scrap whatever plans they had for Z to capitalize on the "new Pokemania".
Him: Black & White, B-Tier
Me: Aight imma head out
It's interesting how the 3rd versions can improve so much on the original without really changing much in my opinion. Platinum is ranked 3 tiers above Diamond and Pearl here when they're mostly the same game and that really intrigues me.
Look Diamond & Pearl are honestly not that bad, the main issue is how slow they are. Turning off battle animations mitigates this to a degree, but not enough unfortunately. That being said I'd play Diamond & Pearl over anything that's come out since Sun & Moon any day of the week. I'd personally put them in C tier, but that's because a lot of games Gireum put in C would be in B for me.
@@Lucrei. nah it's awful, the speed is still awful even without battle animations (and pokemon without battle animations is giga boring) the dex is small and unbalanced as fuck, the AI is a complete joke, the pacing is awful, dp are by far the worst pokemon games ever made and some of the worst first party nintendo games of all time
to a degree yeah but in 2023 I agree Platinum is a FAR better game to play than Diamond/Pearl
DP is SO slow it's not funny, Battle Frontier and Distortion World are huge upgrades and there's just zero reason to play DP instead of Platinum (unlike BW2 which is a fantastic game but BW has a better story)
@@galvsparks6295 D/P is the worst of Gens 1-5, but I still enjoy it exponentially more than Gens 6-present. Legends Arceus is the ONLY game since Gen 5 I’ve enjoyed remotely as much as any Gen 1-5 title.
@Galv Sparks Your not wrong. Platinum is an improvement over Diamond & Pearl in many ways and it's the definitive way to play sinnoh if your interested. But it's still nowhere near as good as most people think and it still has the same problems that D&P has. It's still slow, lacklustering or unbalanced dex ( despite being an bit better than D&P ), so many HM requirements, brutal difficulty curve towards the later halve and Sinnoh is just boring to me.
I loved X and Y alot. You wouldn't believe how much time I actually spent customizing Selena look gorgeous and take promo video to perfection. This feature, NEVER comes back to this level of depth ever, EVER.
Well...I sadly played Kalem and you know how much design options he had.....sad
The Gamefreak special. Add cool features (dexnav from oras, customization from xy) and then just take them away for no reason.
Yea I really enjoyed XY when it first came out. Being the first 3D games and introducing megas made it feel like a special experience at the time
x and y needed dlc or z version i was sad when there was none
The hype generated by Gen 6 was unimaginable back in 2013-2015, especially during the pre-release. I remember getting home from school so excited to see what the next obviously fake mega Evo leak was. In a way, Gen 6 was the golden age of the Pokémon community. That might sound silly now, but back then, Kalos really felt like a new beginning for Pokémon.
I really do think Sword and Shield deserve their own tier. The damage they did to the franchise and every future game can't be talked about enough. And what do we get in return for such sacrifices? The worst main story, worst post game, and no new legends until DLC? The game felt more rushed than Scarlet and Violet with how utterly little there is to do without dlc. (They are practically 3DS games but with even less content than X and Y)
SwSh just shows that GF, Nintendo and TPC introduced Pokemon to new and nostalgic fans that probably didn't play the "golden era" games, which of course it has changed a lot compared to RBY and GSC, that they would look great in comparison - not knowing that their best efforts had been done before yet sold pretty low relatively.
I can't say I disagree tbh. Sw&Sh put me off so much I didn't get S&V, the first ever mainline game I've never gotten.
Tbh I feel like SwSh and SV were 2 sides of the same coin. One had an amazing dex with awesome new Pokémon but a poor story and little freedom, the other had plenty of freedom and an amazing story but super buggy and just a decent dex. Put the positives of both games together and it would’ve been a dream game to me, but for now I just think both are just good
@@drigon100 same here. PLA was good but i don't trust GF any more. Always watching Footage of the game since USUM and sv is the first time i refused to buy a mainline pkmn game.
That's why they are the worst games in the series
Black and white 2 are objectively the best. So glad to see everyone come around to them over the last 5 years.
Isn't BW the ones that got criticism and B2W2 is the ones more praised due to PWT and old Pokemon returning (although I do agree many wanted to move on to 3D Pokemon)?
Agreed!
@@zjzr08 B2W2 Were the least-selling Pokemon games ever, and that was mainly because people wanted 3D Pokemon games, but sadly the 3D games we got were kinda bad.
@YugDaKing I mean it doesn't mean it's disliked, mostly just ignored, mostly because many didn't request for a BW sequel at that time, and I agree they seem more hyped for an upcoming 3D Pokemon game, which to be fair could've been delayed a bit more IMO.
Honestly I would put Platinum over Soulsilver and Black and White 2 if Platinum had the speed of Black and White 2 because I just can't find myself to care abut the gen 5 legendries. idk maybe I need to play Black 1 since I've only played Black 2 to get more of the story and attachment to the legendries or watch the movies that feature gen 5, but I find Plat's legendries to be WAYYYYYYYYYY cooler.
I still think you are too hard on Legends Arceus but I think your top 4 is absolutely spot on. It is super interesting all 4 were the 2nd iteration of a region (Gen 2 remakes, Gen 5 sequels, Gen 3 third version and Gen 4 third version).
Damn I guess technically Crystal is 2nd iteration of Johto but you get my point
nah Legends Arceus is really bad
@@tyrannozilla1 scarlet and violet are worse
@@Determinator21 true more like Shit and Vomit
@@Determinator21 doesnt mean pla isnt bad. sv is just worse lol
At this point, i'm so happy that someone appreciate enough to put B2/W2 and HG/SS at S tier
FR tho
Literally everyone doing that lmao
lol right. @@BulbasaurReyiz
@@BulbasaurReyiz
Yeah man, thats so annoying. I think that hg/ss doesn't deserve it, games like platinum or bw1 are a better experience for me. Also, he puts soooo down scarlet and Violet, for me that games are tier A. Im making a serie of videos that review every Pokémon game, it's impressive how much missinformation are Internet :/
Pd: sorry if my english is bad, im from argentina
@@pistachomacho
I feel like only factor in people's vision on SV is how many performance issues they had lmao (Don't worry I am not a native English speaker too)
I agree with all except for black and white and arceus. I think black and white should be A tier and arceus should be B tier, it’s a lot of fun
Arceus should be trash tier. That game sucked.
Arceus belongs in D tier. It’s insanely unfinished. It’s actually more unfinished than any of the other switch games. It’s fun for a bit but then you never go back unless you want shinies.
@@ShadyRapture i find it was more fun than the other switch games, which is my most important metric. While all other switch Pokémon games would be z tier, (except maybe let’s go they’re fine for new players but kinda boring for old players I don’t hate them) I honestly had fun with arceus even with it’s glaring flaws. Unlike sw/sh and s/v which straight up are bad games
As someone who tried and didn't really stick with any of the other Pokemon games, Arceus was amazing, it wasn't as boring in the capturing process and offered a lot of flexibility and exploration, making it easier and more orderly to find new pokemon without the need to constantly reroll a dice in a bush, although I do get that the game doesn't vary much. But I honestly really did love playing it till the end and I wish similar games with more features come out in the future.
Yeah I disagree with Arceus placement and I put 150+ hours on it and replaying it again and its the best pokemon game on Switch with SV behind it
Honestly I actually appreciate you acknowledging the age factor of Pokemon generations 1 and 2 they really are just too old at this point to compare. There was no set formula. All the gen 2 mons are basically designs the didn't have time or money to put in Gen 1. They were made on already outdated hardware at the time.
The biggest credit people can give gens one and 2 is just creating the base concept of pokemon.
That’s Why Their The Best ! 💪🏽
@@melvondrewhite2674 as someone who started with gen 1 * old people voice* back in the day lol
I have to say they are there own beast from a different era of gaming. However i have a LOT of fond memories of yellow and crystal specifically.
However I do think hgss brw2 are the best modern games.
Nah this is a lame take. Red and Blue are less glitchy than Scarlett and violet
@@ozmond Scarlet & Violet Are KIDS GAMES , This Is An Adult Conversation .. 😂
I also enjoy the spritework of gen 2. Gotta give the artists credit there
I always look at USUM and think “That stuff should’ve been in the main game.” There are a lot of good features which are overshadowed by the fact that it was a cash grab. I really wish they had just made a Sun and moon 2, that would have been great, or terrible, you never know.
Don’t see how SM2 would be any different
USUM should have been DLC to be honest, it ironically would have felt a lot less cash grabby and most of the meaningful changes to the game don't show up until you're close to the end. Attempting to play through those games actually pissed me off so much that I didn't come back to the main series until Legend Arceus came out.
USUM couldve been so good if they had just fixed the problems SM had but they didnt do shit
@@fabiocetrulo4462what problems didn't they fix?
They didn't fix the cutscenes/tutorial, but they fixed the extremely barren overall pool of Pokemon Sun and Moon had, as well as the S.O.S. system. Honestly the games did not have many more issues than that. These games are honestly really overhated and y'all are using the same exact logic official critics used to make Emerald the most poorly received main series game among official critics until SV.
Been playing Platinum for the first time on emulator for the past 2 months and it the THE BEST way to experience Sinnoh. I am in LOVE with all the little and major improvements and changes that were made. It even made Gallade, a Pokémon I have always liked, but never had an emotional attachment to, my 2nd favorite Pokémon of all time (1st is Monferno). I was so disappointed that he's only available post-game in DP, so Platinum alone made me love him so much.
Wow, you liked a 2nd stage starter, that's pretty rare, except for cases like Dewott and Braxien.
Platinum is the way for Sinnoh, no doubt.
In a way, it kind of makes me happy that the first time I got to experience Sinnoh, I got the definitive edition. Still sucks that the remakes dropped the ball so hard.
Infernape the best
@@zjzr08 frogadier is kinda cool too
I’m very thankful to have grown up during the DS era. FireRed was my first, skipped Emerald and Diamond/Pearl as a kid (got FireRed a few years after release), and then got Platinum, still my favorite. And I agree that XY had so much promise and creativity that Z should’ve followed up on
also yeah it’s frustrating that Scarlet Violet had so much promise but we’re so rushed. The core game is so well done but needed at least a few more months in the oven so it could at least run decently.
why is legs go ranked so low tho, and I agree with you platinum is one of the best games but i love Heartgold and soulsliver only a tiny bit more. Such good games 👍
Pokémon diamond/pearl on an M3 was my introduction to Pokémon games and it became an obsession for me. Loved abusing cheats to get legendaries😂😂. My cousin's bought me Platinum and that game was just epic then Soul silver happened and to this day it's still the best Pokémon game experience I have had, I played Pokémon white and I loved that too. My experience with the games is tied to playing them with siblings, cousins and friends so yeah the DS era of Pokémon was where I started and to me was the best😊. I really enjoyed XY but skipped Sun and moon. Sword/Shield was cool but I missed megas a lot 🤣. S/V and legends A have been lit imo 🔥
Yes Black White 2 is the peak game
Putting Platinum in A tier and Heartgold/Soulsilver in S tier is definitely interesting. I've seen a lot of ppl do the complete opposite.
they're still just one tier apart, so the complete opposite is just twisting which style of game you think are perfect/very good
Yeah, personally I would've had Platinum in S and HGSS in A. Personally I'm not the biggest Johto fan
I have yet to finish HGSS and I did really like Platinum...both had different styles (one had Underground and Battle zone, the other has Kanto and Pokeathlon) so I could see differing opinions on it
It boils down to personal preference at that point but most can agree that both are top tier
I’d switch them around. I love HGSS for a lot of reasons, but the fact that they didn’t fix the level curve makes it a pain to playtrough.
It’s impossible to add Pokémon to your party late into the game because they’re amazingly under level and there’s virtually no good area to grind.
Dude, no way D/P are fails... I agree Platinum is much better as you said, but I really loved playing Diamond back in the day. Might be controversial, but I actually kind of hate B/W despite some cool improvements. Loved X and Y, and yeah I agree on HG/SS, absolute legends.
I played through Pokemon Blue last year and it was a joy to play, much more enjoyable than some more recent entries have been. But to each their own I suppose.
Gen 1 did have much less handholding and more exploration but it can be quite an acquired taste now IMO.
Said by the guy with a Soviet pfp
@@nonameyet9535 if you look closer, it is actually just a stupid meme
Pokemon red/blue is cool to revisit for old school nostalgia, but the game mechanics are so busted when it comes to movesets and manipulating the rng 😄.
@@_Paul_N this may come as a shock to you but every video game ever made is "busted" and can be glitched into oblivion. or you can play video games normally as intended and have a great time.
The online features in X and Y were amazing if you were into being social. Competitive was the strongest in the series by far. Voice chat, guys. Without needing a cell phone...
Love to see the Emerald superiority. I respect that you put it in A despite it being your favorite. Emerald is also my favorite.
Putting Arceus in D and HGSS in S is absolutely insane to me but I respect how matter of fact-ly you present your arguments. I think I agree with just about everything else; Arceus was the first game I had fun playing since BW2 but to each their own
I get it. There is some fun in the mechanics. However, I started playing it recently for the first time and it just felt too needlessly grindy to fill out each Pokemon's Pokedex entries and the empty world caused things to get boring really fast. I took a break from it to play Xenoblade Chronicles 3 instead. Can't say I made the wrong choice, either. The game is way better in pretty much every way.
@@orga7777 I agree with you
It got boring just after playing for 5 minutes
@@orga7777 I actually have the opposite opinion, I loved Arceus, whilst finding other Pokemon games kinda boring. I do agree though that it should have more content, but in general I really did like the game, being the only Pokemon game that I've completed. It's kinda sad that the violet and scarlet were nothing like Arceus, I would have gotten them if they were.
Either way I get that people like the game one way and some the other.
@@orga7777 I'm still struggling a bit with the battle system. The Strong Style pisses me off because the difference in power is so small that not only do you have to squint to notice it but it often seems like a detriment instead of an advantage. The Agile Style's cool though because there's a noticeable advantage to using it. I always prefer speed over brute strength.
One thing you gotta give sun and moon is they got rid of the need for HM slaves.
It pisses me off so much that BDSP z could’ve been the Goated Pokémon games if they just followed the freaking script of the improved third version Platinum 🤦♂️
it was a complete cash grab
I feel so so lucky that pokemon heartgold was my first pokemon game. Definitely my favorite and objectively a national treasure.
I started playing it an hour ago and so far it’s even fun, I’ve already been in multiple battles
HeartGold sounds good.
I played Pearl first, and never touched the series again.
I hate that my mom sold that game on a garage sale for 5 euros without asking me 😭
It sucks ass
Bro HGSS would be even better if u tried the previous generations
crystal deserves to be in this. crystal is better than most of the games on the list.
Yes, and he was really beautiful and amazing at the time. The best GBC opus and it looks still fine nowadays i believe
I can understand why PLA is D-tier playing again The cutscenes are a problem I guess Pokemon fans were just itching for something new.
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I still find it funny that the bar is so low that legends arceus is really the best thing gamefreak have made since ORAS
I have an emotional attachment to Sun and moon because it was the first Pokémon game I played. I do think that the cutscenes are a nightmare to go through (oh god replaying the game is so slow), but I don’t remember the cutscenes being long at all as a kid. I think it’s a good first Pokémon game even if it’s very handholdy.
It justs yells identity crisis to me that i have difficulty acknowledging it as a real Pokemon game. I was released in a period of time where Yokai Watch imposed a real threat to the monopoly of Pokemon, so they decided to "revamp" the formula in the laziest way possible, so you have no gyms at all, z-moves (which always felt super weird to me), more cutscenes, and ultrabeasts, that are literally pokemon with uncanny designs (again, to compete with Yokai Watch).
@@gabsprado121212 i mean i personally think the pokemon designs are great. but i do really wish the games were fleshed out a bit more and that usum were direct sequels like b2w2 instead of.. whatever happened.
The cutscenes were apart of the game. It wanted you to focus on the story and take your time with it instead of rushing though. I think the beginning tutorial is way too much, but the criticism it receives for cutscenes is unjustified.
@@GumCow i agree. without the cutscenes, the story and characters wouldn't be as fleshed out as they are. it's mostly just the first island that's a drag to get through, but the rest is fine. i think most people just try to play through the game as fast as possible without taking the time and just enjoying what it has to offer, and it results in them hating the game. SM is different the most of the other games; it has a laid-back vacation-like setting that the game leans into. i think most people just weren't used to that.
@@gabsprado121212The z-moves were definitely a little weird, but they were actually very cool
Hi Gireum ! I know a French Yotuber as Sakharu. He writes documentaries about histories, contexts, biographies on the video games, Pokémon too. I talk him about you in a video about the next of his channel when proposed to find a foreign partener to translate his documentaries (about me). I even talk about to Arkausey in his video defending gen 5 : « L’hypocrisie envers la 5e génération ». There is also Esquive la Boule de feu who know you and mentionned your video about Platinum and how it saved Sinnoh. I hope you will enjoy there contents and objective critiques. Thank you 😊
Tout d'abord, je ne parle pas français mais j'utilise Google Translate pour vous répondre. Pour être clair, dites-vous que ce CZcamsr "Sakharu" cherchait quelqu'un pour traduire ses vidéos et que c'était à ce moment-là que vous avez mentionné Gireum Red ? Je ne sais pas comment quelqu'un ici peut regarder ses vidéos sans comprendre le français (j'ai vérifié et il n'y a pas de sous-titres en anglais). Soit dit en passant, je pense qu'une meilleure traduction à utiliser est le mot « video essay » au lieu de « documentary ». Mieux encore, il est probablement préférable de l'appeler simplement une vidéo.
Yes, it's when Sakharu said that he doesn't have an excellent english pronounciation I talked him about Gireum Red. But I don't have yet anwers from him.❌
Esquive la Boule de feu used Gireum's clips in his analyse video on Pokémon Platinum.🎞🎥
As for Arkausey (who defended gen5), he said the intro of Gireum's video essay about B2W2 was a masterpiece.👍
I searched the definition of "essay" on Linguee and I fond "dissertation", I think "video essay" is a good choice too. I am not English but I understand a little, so 'scuse me if I don't use the right terms (lol)
😅.
I love the old games despite the fact that they’re outclassed by modern games. The world, the sprites, the graphics, it’s all iconic. I mean, for the time it came out it was so unique. When I was a kid I couldn’t even imagine a world before Pokémon existed. I feel like the whole franchise really had a big impact and influence on art in general. With regard to gen 1 and gen 2 games, it’s fun to play retro games. It’s like playing the old dragon quest games over the new ones. Even if the Pokémon remakes suck, I still am glad they do the remakes instead of only making lame, uninspired new regions and increasingly awful designs.
Crystal sprites still looks so warm and charming. It is still the best Pokemon game for me growing UP with gen 2
Based. I'd put ORAS on A tier, because of flying, and the secret base feature, and the fan service of having mirage island(s) & going to space, and legendary hunting had never been better. It made use of all notable areas of the game.
ORAS is S tier imo. This is how remakes should be done.
This game had me in a chokehold when I was a kid. I remember how awesome it was to get primal groundon too. Too bad I lost the game
The improvements are really showing. I can’t wait for this channel to blow up
There’s absolutely no way you ranked Arceus BELOW scarlet and violet 💀💀💀💀
Arceus was not a complete game
as soon as he said old games can't be ranked you can tell he's not a real fan.
Bros mad because of a opnion 💀
Honestly I wished they just took 2 or 3 years maybe more to actually properly make a very good pokemon game like fr. Sure the formula is overused and the same mostly but you can atleast make the overall quality of the game good. But they fail on both spectrums
Wish someone else made the games from the bottom up.
Pokémon needs a few years hiatus and come back with a bang running on the newest Nintendo hardware.
@@turntprophet7960 Definitely. The problem is that Nintendo is treating the Pokémon franchise the way EA treats their sports titles. They want GF to pump out garbage every year rather than take a longer dev cycle and make an actually good/finished game
I’m happy you said Pokémon Z could’ve been S Tier if it was made, because it’s so true.
Moon and white 2 are my favorites. Your ranking is very accurate for the very newest games. And um the quality of them recently that’s why I been taking a long break from Pokémon until they get things together again
I mostly agree with this except that I’d probably put Scarlet and Violet on B tier because I do like some of the mechanics they added to the game. And I think it’s a sign of where Pokémon 3d designs and animation are going.
Love your unfiltered opinions, great list bro lmao
I've never played any of the Gen IV or V games on DS but want to. I'm now torn between Platinum and Black & White 2 (haven't played the 1st one btw). If you had to chose to play one of those for the 1st time which would you play?
Play Platinum. It's a better overall take on the series and is more consistent than BW2. Although the games from Emerald to BW2 are all very good entry points. If you're going to play any of them though, play them on an emulator and use speed up--it makes the games a lot more fun to get through.
Gireum I'm wondering with all the lore they have how would you feel about a pokemon ledgends Johto?
Currently doing hgss national dex and it's very fun
Trying to 100% as well by getting the black trainer card
Hgss is a masterpiece
I mostly agree with your rankings. However, I did not play Sun/Moon, but I did play the Ultra games and I loved them (I understand your criticisms of those titles though). I also loved Let's Go but my Kanto nostalgia bias is strong because I grew up watching the Indigo League anime, and playing a whole Pokémon game with my favorite Pokémon as my starter (Eevee) was a dream come true for me.
yeah he's too hard on USUM, however it IS a huge cashgrab if you played Sun/Moon. however if you didn't play SM playing USUM is a MUCH better experience and becomes a legit solid game.
For the most part, the problems with Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon REALLY just boil down to being an upper version. Not even a lazy one. USUM did a lot to differentiate itself from its predecessor unlike most upper versions, and they fixed every flaw but the tutorial/cutscenes. Literally nothing else is an issue here. Emerald is the 2nd most poorly received mainline game among official critics (behind SV) for the exact same reason USUM gets hate nowadays.
Im currently playing through pokemon ultra sun, its the first time i have ever played a main line game and honestly, im really enjoying it
@@charliez077 makes me wish USUM could always be judged in a vacuum because it's always tainted by the fact that its the definitive SM game that came out a year after SM. Its the first game i completed the pokedex in and have almost every event mon they released during that time, and theres so many little sidequests, just little interactions that get you items that swsh barely has and scvi outright removes makes it a lot more loved game imo. Ive never played SM and even i can agree the story was better from a storytelling point, but USUM's overall higher difficulty and the story in terms of its climax more than makes up for its flaws over SM.
Diamond and Pearl deserve S tier for the underground mining which was unique only to them and Ruby Sapphire and Emerald are the best games ever. Only games that let you dive underwater.
You seem to have a very specific reasoning for what gives stuff S tier rankings lmao. I could argue that X and Y deserve S tier for having roller skates, Black and White deserve S tier for the dress up minigame, Black and White 2 deserve S tier for the cinema thing.
Hey man - great tier list. What PC model do you use and what model and specs / setup would you recommend for someone getting into streaming Pokemon?
Just a 3ds with a capture card installed would already do.
Get a Cray-1 I'd recommend
I treat BW and B2W2 as a one whole package of a game. BW or B2W2 cannot exist without the other. BW felt incomplete but thanks to B2W2, the Unova story became complete (well, except for the Original Dragon, of which they haven't revealed to us yet).
Looking forward to the 3rd iteration of Gen 5 (Legends: Kyurem or Pokemon Grey Version). I really want to see what the Original Dragon looks like.
I played B2W2 and haven't BW yet and I think it's still great - it helps I already knew about the story of BW by watching gameplay about it.
theyre making a 3rd iteration of gen 5?
We need another World Tournament and everybody in it should have a Mega Evolution. Cynthia's Mega Garchomp should be used in Undella Town where she's relaxing but still ready to clobber anybody who enters her villa. Mega Lucario should be in the World Tournament to show that she truly isn't holding back whilst facing the best of the best.
And if they have to include Leon, give him Mega Charizard X for one game and Mega Charizard Y for the other. Fuck Gigantamax. I've always hated that mechanic and Charizard already had enough special treatment. I've never liked Leon either but he's a Champion so he should be there.
Also, include every Elite 4 member, except maybe the Unova ones due to the World Tournament being in that region. Not having the Elite 4 in the original games was a missed opportunity.
I hope you'll like the next legends games I personally liked legends arceus because it felt really unique and didn't steal or took mechanics from past pokemon mainline games which made it stood on its own and not saying everyone should like it and more power to you if you regard it as a "tech demo"
I don't know if they ever will make a Legends game but if they do I really hope it is Pokemon Legends Johto
@@rockfan243 that would be cool and wouldn't mind if the other gen games get the same legends treatment as well 😭❤🙏
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 oh after the horror that was Pokemon brilliant diamond and Shining Pearl I would absolutely accept them skipping a Gen 5 remake entirely and instead making Pokemon Legends Kyurem with the original dragon
@@rockfan243 if ILCA or another blatantly inexperienced 3rd party developper is making 5th Gen remakes they are doomed. BW2 are near-masterpieces and it would be insulting if we got another BDSP instead of a good Platinum remake.
@@charliez077 100% agree I no doubt believe ILCA was chosen because they are just a CHEAP 3rd party app developer who already had a contract with gamefreak and the Pokemon company.
I would be extremely disappointed if they did that route again for Gen 5 but at least there would be you one good side to it. Unlike Diamond and Pearl bass games were so legitimately bad I didn't even consider buying Platinum, BW and B2W2 would actually be fun.
But I have no doubt they would ruin it because they would have no idea how to incorporate the fairy-type while keeping the game balanced and on top of that instead of just adding modern quality-of-life features they would definitely make the game way too easy and black and white and black 2 White 2 or actually some of the hardest base Pokemon games to play and they would completely baby fly it because "Waaaaaah kids these days and there damn phones are to distracted to dedicate time to our games. Let's make them piss baby easy like modern app games instead of making fun entertaining quality experience packed with details....nope simple cash grabs only from now on" ~gamefreak
"if you ignore the two massive problems thay effect the whole game, its very hard to find problems with heartgold and soulsilver" ok man
What I love about Diamond and Pearl was that back in gen 2 I got a Murkrow toy before the game, so I was expecting to have one on my team, however it was impossible to get a Murkrow in Johto. So in Diamond and Pearl Murkrow appears very early in the game, and it even got an evolution, so I was very happy and I still have great memories of that Game.
My opinion, before watching:
S-Tier: Platinum, HGSS, BW2
A- Tier: USUM, Emerald, Legends Arceus
B-Tier: DP, BW, GSC, RBY, ORAS
C-Tier: RS, XY, SM, FRLG
D-Tier: LGPLGE, SV, BDSP
Masuda Tier: Sword and Shield
My favorite will always be pearl ❤, the nostalgia it gives me is wonderfull
I play pokemon since DP and I completly agree 100% with this tier list. Great video once again.
Red/Blue/Yellow are easy S tiers. We wouldnt even have the rest without them. Give them the respect they deserve
That does not make the quality of the games themselves better lmao. This list is not about giving stuff cliche nostalgia points.
10:30 ORAS is so good. Also the delta episode was cool and it also dropped the alt timeline for the lore lovers
Zinnia is the best character in pokemon after N
Probably the best pokemon tier list I've seen. Although I'd put firered and leafgreen at B or even A tier. They're the best remakes as well imo
HGSS was ranked in S tier. That alone invalidates this list
@@PMar797 HGSS are the best Pokemon games ever made. With the way game freak is going it looks like no games are ever gonna top it
@@davefrance4355 the core Pokemon experience in HGSS is among the worst. Bad level curve, weak Pokemon distribution, choppy pacing, the Johto region is a linear slog with no significant rewards for exploring optional areas, the plot just comes and goes out of nowhere, and the overall main quest is short
BW2, Platinum, Emerald, BW, SM and FRLG are examples of better Pokemon games. Heck you even said the latter are the best remakes so pick a lane
@@PMar797 While FR/LG are the best from a remake standpoint, the sheer amount of content in HG/SS is what makes it the best pokemon game overall. That means more pokemon to catch, more to explore, more trainers to beat, and an overall longer and richer journey compared to other games. I disagree with the level curve point. Honestly I'd much rather have a bad level curve than mowing through teams easily like in all the newer games. I see a bad level curve as more challenging, and the makes it more fun for me personally compared to the easy handholding in the newer games. I disagree with the weak distribution point as well. The cool thing about a game with two regions means your team can change as well throughout your journey as you catch more pokemon instead of staying with the same team of 6 for the whole game. While a good plot is cool, it isn't really a crucial element for a good fun pokemon game in my eyes at least. Who says the johto portion of the game is the main quest? There's all of kanto and if you factor that in it's the longest pokemon game.
@@davefrance4355 what content? A downgraded version of a region most people have seen before? A copied over battle frontier? The worst safari zone that further adds to the bad level curve and pacing issues? If you want content, look to BW2. Pokemon World Tournament, Black Tower/White Treehollow, Battle Subway, Pokestar Studios, medals, difficulty levels... That's unique quality content that's still Pokemon at its core. Not to mention that Unova alone is bigger than Kanto and Johto combined
Damage controlling the bad level curve, that's hilarious. You can have a decent level curve while still being challenging; look at Emerald. If anything, the bad curve makes most of HGSS's trainers easy, namely when you're fighting level 20-25 rocket grunts after beating the 7th gym leader with a level 34 ace (weaker than the 6th leader's ace btw)
Adding new Pokemon after the 4th/5th gyms in these games is difficult and flat out impossible in Kanto unless you commit to grinding. I caught a level 20 Misdreavus before Jasmine, and couldn't use it in that fight because it (and other wild Pokemon at the time) were 10 levels weaker than her *weakest* Pokemon. Not to mention that Houndour is only found in Kanto at level 20ish (too lazy to double check but it's low) when you should have a level 50 team. You can't swap Pokemon in and out easily, and team building is restricted in this game, don't lie about it
I agree a good plot isn't crucial to a good game, but the plot in this game is stupid and poorly executed. That at least deserves to be called out on
If beating Red is what ends the main quest, then what's there to do in the postgame? A few Easter eggs and legendaries? No additional plotline like FRLG's Sevii Islands, Platinum's team Galactic post mortem, or ORAS's Delta episode? Again, the length and amount of content in these games is overblown because somehow 2 regions means more. When those two regions are small and hollow, that doesn't mean shit. Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and even Kalos are better, more diverse and interesting than Johto and Kanto combined
Good tier list I don't have to say much else. I would do probably the same thing with Platinum depending on my mood too. Cause it's my favourite pokemon game. And with B2/W2 I'm almost there actually I have to still do the pokewood stuff.
How’s it going hey bro uno your shii I’m coming to u because ink u won’t lead me wrong … I owned let’s go pikachu I thought it was decent the visuals was the high point .. I purchased shield but couldn’t get into it because of the boringness .. which installment should I buy next plz let me know I’m itching to try my hand at sumn but I want it to b worth my money .. im leaning towards arceus
Why are you typing like a ret*rd.
To think that I have only played these versions (in order): Emerald, Platinum, HeartGold and White 2 , and that they are all high tier, just shows what a person I am: I am someone who researches games before I play them. I dunno if that is a bad thing😂
I’m in same boat.
I know ill get crucified for this but SM and SV are both A tier for me. They have by far the best stories in the franchise and that is enough to carry them to me, because that is generally what I tend to value most in games.
I also really don't see what you dislike about having a npc character take on the role of "main character". I agree in that it doesn't hit quite the same as having the character you control drive the story, but given the restriction of having a silent self-insert protagonist it is really the only way to communicate any kind of story.
I agree with SM.
@@xzzoriofr7222 yeah, like the legend of zelda. You don't play zelda but still the game is about her
Thank you for laying it out as it is and putting your personal nostalgia to the side! Looking to get back into pokemon and I wanna do it in the right way. First stop for me I think is Platinum, I played pearl and that's where I kinda fell off but I liked what it was going for. I hope Platinum is as good as it sounds!
Platinum is probably my favorite!! Trying to put nostalgia aside, it just had a great story and great post-game content.
@@RussellKeatsRivas I'm super addicted to it at the moment! The first gym actually proved more challenging than I expected too.
@@RussellKeatsRivas I just wish it came around when Mega Evolutions and Primal Reversions were created. Damn it, I miss those! In a perfect world we'd have Primal Regigigas telling Slow Start to get fucked and a Fire/Flying type Mega Rapidash with Magic Guard.
I’m glad you mentioned emerald because that’s what I think of when I think of Pokémon on my old game boy - I want to play that again and maybe another modern game
Oras truly was amazing. I swear, this was what I was hoping for bdsp 😭😭
Back in the day, when we had attention spans that lasted longer than 3 seconds, we really enjoyed games like pokemon diamond and pearl. Now it seems like everyone just wants to get through games as fast as possible without enjoying the grind and getting pokemon up to level 100, getting 100+ streaks at the battle frontier, etc. and actually « experiencing » the game.
tbh though, it can be really annoying in some games what with the steep levelling curve, grinding levels is mindless and pretty boring. It's ok if it is a bearable amount, but when it's a lot/big curve where you gotta grind a lot, it gets pretty boring because its the same tedious things over and over
there was too many aspects that ruined the pacing of the game, no
GireumRed is the most underrated pokemon youtube channel hands down. Such quality review videos.
I have never played any pokemon games how I can play those? Do I need 3ds or use emulator for those older ones?
You can emulate 3ds too, its very easy, you can use citra.
“BDSP sucks” lol
It is
I feel like most of us can agree that HGSS was the most beautiful game.
I love that D tier is nearly strictly 7-9
Intro made me audibly laugh. Subbed and liked bro 😂
I don't understand why people hate SM USUM so much
They're my favorites
Mine too!
The fact that Scarlett and violet did not have the same Pokemon catching mechanic as Legends Arceus makes me immeasurably disappointed in the Pokemon company and their continued idiotic idea to walk back vast improvements that every fan agrees was great but then they just take it out of a game thinking it will be a FuN sUpRiSe and maybe sometime three generations and Ten Years Later bring back that mechanic everybody loved but do it half-assed and broken *COUGHFOLLOWINGPOKEMCOUGH*
Maybe they didn’t want to make it too easy of obtaining Pokémon.
@@positivea9111 no I think honestly they didn't have time to do it right after making PLA. Heck it couldhave been a completelyseparateteam who made PLANS catchingand battle system.. With Scarlet and violet they tried to copy pla's battles being exactly where you are no void map and cut screen. I've had plenty of times I was riding on Meridon and all of a sudden we stop and the encounter camera pans 15 ft over to a pokemon I was no where near.....I can only imagine the frustration people would have trying to throw precisely at wild pokemon only to have it go right through the pokemon model because the hit box is messed up.
It's seriously like these games were made by 2 different companies. I think PLA is they type of game they WANT to start making but SV are the games they HAVE to make so less care and polish.
@@positivea9111 They could've maybe made them easily catchable when you reached a certain Badge level, or if you maybe did other activities to try and catch it (like laying bait or maybe play music).
Diamond and Pearl in "failed" is the most objective misstake you did
Anyone who says Diamond and Pearl are good are blinded by either the quality of Platinum or nostalgia. There are no redeeming qualities about Diamond and Pearl.
I have a problem with wanting to pickup every item and explore everything in Violet that I get distracted from the story and thus have not beaten anything. Unfortunatly already know how the stories end and can't seem to get myself to play past the 2nd team star area, the 3rd gym and the 3rd titan. I don't understand why but I get bored with searching for trainers to fight, items to collect and having to run back and forth to complete the stories in level order. I think I'm just going to wait awhile for the next update to see if fixing the glitches and how the game runs will help me.
sc/vi feels less like an adventure and more like a checklist imo
Your top 6 are absolutely on point-
HGSS, BW2, Emerald, Platinum, BW and ORAS are the best of the best.
Your missing sword and shield, I'd declare them the 4th best
@@Trevie499 the only ones I haven't played are Sword/Shield and Ultra Sun and Moon (I hated Moon so much)
@@TheElectricSheep Ultra Moon is pretty good they took out a lot of the dialogue they upped the difficulty by a lot they added over 100 past Pokémon to the main game and Ultra moon has the best post game out of all of them will you get to fight the past evil team bosses with their legendaries and after you beat the post game you unlock they're battle themes
@@Trevie499 swsh is mid af at best
@@YuiraKun ? Explain, the game dosent have many problems, its one of there better games and even though it was a little rushed they where great
I modded my 3ds so I get to play about 90% of the list.
I´m curious if B/W2 and HG/SS are really that good as people say. Only one way to find out.
Was my accidental rant deleted?
@@SpecSwamp Excuse me?
You mean a comment of yours?
@@benyzehnder9310 yes, I made a whole explanation about why I think BW is better than BW2, but as soon as I left the video and came back, it was gone. Was it marked as spam or something?
You know what, whatever happened, I’m sure there was a good reason behind it. To shorten what I had originally said, BW2 excels in all areas, except for story, cast of characters, and exploration, I think BW is better at handling those 3. The end.
by far the best games, even though my favourite is still emerald
SV would be so much better if they didnt scrap out all the post-game. There is literally nothing except some raids, school battles and random legendary hunting
love how all the games from S - B except for Emerald are for the DS (or 3DS) and therefore all playable on one singular console
I've been watching you for a year... keep it up
A pretty based opinion of the Pokemon franchise.
I really liked how in XY you get to chose a second starter from a different generation midway through the game. Does anyone know what other games if any did a similar thing?
Heartgold soulsilvsr
The lonely 4 games unranked 😢
honestly bro I love sun and moon I like there's a story line with some plot twists along the way, I also loved the starters and just overall have always thought it was a good game I do respect your opinion tho.
I would at least put Pokemon SM in B-tier. I actually did love the stories and the characters. Even "Lillie-eh"
Me too! I loved Lillie in the game
thanks for the subtitles, i can understand english but with subtitles it's much easier
The only thing I would change about this list is putting Black and White in the A tier. But other than that, I completely agree with everything else.
I have to disagree with SM/USUM, if I was to rank it in a vacuum. They are absolutely the best games since BW2 in my eyes. The tutorial island kinda sucks, but the rest was great. Awesome new pokemon, including my two favorites for competitive singles, an amazing region design, the best "evil team" (team Skull, not Aether), and I don't really care that the player isn't really the main character for most of the game. They are also the most "difficult" main series games since gen 5, but that's not saying much since all the other games are piss easy. I'd give it a high B tier. Again, I'd be ranking it in a vacuum. If it was a composite game with SM's story and some of USUM's changes, it's be low A tier
I think the handholding goes beyond the tutorial, which doesn't help with the map design being so linear and not sprawling like in the previous games - I guess if you are fine with the story you may tolerate it, but if you think the story is not interesting then the storyTELLING can be grating.
The region and route designs are atrocious and you can barely walk 5 feet without being put into another cutscene. The trials are a complete joke for the most part mostly being F tier boring mini games and it also had performance issues. It was painful to play personally
X and Y was my favorite for some reason but could have been better. I loved the mega evolutions
I actually completely agree with this list, which I didn't expect to.
I've been playing Pokemon White alongside B2/W2, mainly for dex completion and I agree the polish that went into the sequels is insane. To name a few:
Fully animated opponent trainer sprites
Easy reapply repel
Ability to SEARCH for a pokemon in your PC
Join Avenue and other side content that is designed to make it easier to acquire traditionally hard-to-get items like evolution stones, berries, vitamins etc.
Im so grateful gamefreak gave themselves another year to squeeze every last drop out of that DS platform before the 3DS came along and irreverably diluted the aesthetic of these games.
I agree with basically everything except PLA.
I would placed it in A tier last year but thinking about it theres really no replay value other than Alpha Shiny hunting so I guess B tier would be more fair.
Also I would place Ruby and Saphire in B tier. Other than that, spot on.
I personally thought Sun and Moon were pretty cool, but yeah, objectively good tier list.
Pokémon Sun/Moon at worst is middle C tier 😄. Currently playing through Sun right now and is enjoying it a lot.
Why HGSS above Platinum? Doesn't it avoid all those cons you mentioned with basically as many or maybe even more pros?
Probably the 16 badges and 2 regions. But yeah, I would invert Platinum and HG/SS. Platinum doesn't have the terrible level curve (biggest con of HG/SS), has better wild pokémon distribution (one of its major fixes over Diamond & Pearl too), and its Battle Frontier is original (HG/SS's Battle Frontier was literally copy and pasted from Platinum).
"it's not going to be fair ranking the original games compared to modern Pokémon games"
Correct, it wouldn't be fair to the modern ones at all
OCD people gonna lose their shit when i point out that the gireum logo is on the other side of the thumbnail
XD probably
Wonder why he didn't put the ranking letters to the right hehe.
USUM are underrated. Most of the game is mediocre but the boss fights are generally really fun and challenging. Stuff like the totems, ultra nekrozma, the kahunas, and the elite 4 are all pretty hard fights which is a good change of pace from other recent Pokémon games. The game also has a great selection of Pokémon to use. The postgame story with rainbow rocket is pretty fun aswell.
Not underrated at all. You personally enjoyed it maybe but USUM is objectively garbage compared to the rest of the games in the series
@@notsocooldude7720 How are they objectively garbage?
@@ancientshiv9837 It’s basically SM copy pasted with no significant improvements
@@notsocooldude7720 It adds just as much as any other 3rd version. New postgame story, better pokedex, new ultra beasts, different totem pokemon, new z moves, harder fights, different champion and some changed elite 4 members. It also added mantine surfing and the ultra warp ride. People who say it made no improvements are braindead.
@@ancientshiv9837 Lol not even close. Have you watched gireum’s review of USUM?
HGSS is such a pain to rank.
On one hand, it's content-wise OBESE. The Pokéwalker, the two regions, the events, the Battle Frontier, the F*CKING Pokéathlon.
On the other hand, it's downright annoying to get through. The awful level curve and lack of exp grind methods makes them impossible to enjoy battle-wise. You have to rely on Platinum to build teams.
Seriously, if only HGSS had the Vs Seeker, I would have no problem saying that they are the BEST in the series.
I remember not really liking gen 5 when it came out, but that might be because I kept taking breaks from the game and not playing it all at once. I need to replay them but they are so fing expensive to get now.
i can't play anything pre-gen 4 due to physical/special split.
Ditto, I'm sorta on the same mindset with fairy type now too but thank goodness for rom hacks adding those changes. Polished Crystal and Delta Emerald are good.
As someone who's played at least one game in each Gen I think many long-term fans of the franchise would mostly agree with this tier list. SW/SH and SV are contentious pending on how hardcore a fan one is of Pokemon. Extreme fans might defend anything/everything a franchise does
Haven't played since Silver. Thanks for the list to narrow down what I should actually play.