Jubilee's "Plus-Sized" Problem | Fat Shaming and Thin Privilege
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2019
- Jubilee posted a video "Do All Plus-Sized People Think The Same?", and of course, I watched it and these are my thoughts. Enjoy the sack.
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About healthy shaming thing, I am 14 years old and I got healthy and stopped eating crap. I make my meal prep and pack everything into lunch boxes, take with me to school and everybody says that I am weird. I don't care tho, It's their bussiness buying donuts at the school cafeteria c:
Good for you! Don't let anyone stop you from taking care of your own health. Their opinion is irrelevant to science.
Girl you have no idea how proud I am of you for doing that!! It's something I should have done 10 years ago when I was 14. Keep doing it, and don't give a fuck what the others say. You're going to be extremely fit while they gain weight years from now
Take on healthy cooking, it will stay with you for life. Keep your power. 🤗
@NN SS Aww, thanks haha
U guys are the best
I was fat shamed. 9 years later, 100+ pounds lighter, I got over it.
I hope you wouldn't get under it, that would be a scary experience.
@@OmniscientWarrior It was pretty scary looking back at being over 300 lbs. 🙃😁
Damn good job!
You will still probably be fat shamed in places with stricter standards like East Asia tho
@@yucheung5853 I am still fat. I am still fat shamed in a lot places. Especially in parts of Mexico. I still have to work my ass off. I'm old though (53) and the metabolism fights me every step of the way but I my goal is to get below 200 pounds even if it kills me (not literally). I wear US size 10/12. I want to wear US size 6/8. They do not make very many designer clothes in my size. I want to wear designer clothes before I die. I will keep working! Fat shaming saved my life so I don't get mad anymore. I'm still fat. It's the truth.
When she said plus size is obviously sexy I cringed, caring for yourself and getting healthy is sexy not making excuses
Being able to run at at least 5 mph for an hour is sexy. If she can do that, I will accept that she is sexy.
Gabriel’s Fitness Marathon notice how they never apply this to men. It’s always about making the fat women feel better about themselves.
Yeah definitely agree there, although some “plus size “ people can be conventionally attractive e.g ashley graham ( due to her being in proportion and not a fat slob) , it doesn’t matter, what matters is ur health . Lots of these women are in fact less sexy not even due to the way they look but their attitude , being totally lazy and always trying to force men to find them fuckable.
@@thatexcalifornian6124 Funny how that works isn't it?
Honestly, yeah. Having fat in certain places can be sexy. However, health trumps sexiness/attractiveness every time.
Being thin and healthy is cheaper. By a lot. I know, because I used to be 300+. I lost 180 lbs and life is so much easier, cheaper and better.
Completely agree
♥️♥️ I’m so happy for your weight loss! That’s great news! For me, eating healthy is a bit more expensive because it’s like using brand name vs generic (generic brands usually don’t have a healthy version) but I completely understand your point of view. In comparison to eating out vs eating home at healthy yah it’s a lot cheaper ♥️
Being thin isn’t healthy being the right weight for your height is
Everytime im around unhealthy food someone says have one it wont hurt you
Those donut pushers though....
I love donuts. I love breathing more.
Ughhhhhhh... I know. I'm addicted to sugar and I want to say would you say that to me if you had alcohol and I was an alcoholic?
Sounds like my family
It won’t kill me but it could trigger a binge .Stop telling me to eat cake
I was having gut issues and my holistic health doc worked with me and got me off certain foods. For a time, one food group was removing grains to help speed up the process. As a latina, I got criticized for not eating Spanish rice during gatherings. I even had the comment "so you're no longer going to embrace your culture?" At first I would be slightly embarassed... but after a month, I began to state "if embracing my culture is limited to JUST rice, then that's pretty damn sad. I can dance my salsa, wave my flag and rep my people all with a HEALTHY gut!"
VeronicaVeeTV 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Nice!!
Brazilian here. People went crazy when I stopped eating rice and beans with my meat and salad. "What will you eat if not eating rice and beans? Every nutritionist says the Brazilian staple is the beeeest!" The br combo makes me constipated, bloated and with cramps worst than during my period.
@Barry Boppins if by ridiculous, you mean getting saliva and blood tests to track how imbalanced my hormones were, as well as a stool test to see how deficient in vitamins and minerals i was (which resulted in low vitamin D and folic acid levels...) then okay... I guess that's "ridiculous"
But my conventional doc offered me drugs and refused to test anything... stating diet wouldn't help me.
Gut and hormonal health can directly affect the brain, if imbalanced. 😕 Post partum depression mixed with G.A.D fucked me up. And the advice i received, after seeing the results from every test, healed me. I'll keep the integrative advice anyday. Thanks for the comment though 😉
@@FernandaSomenauer hi5 mama... I get the exact same way
Isn't dancing extremely physically demanding? How can a dancer put in those long rehearsal hours and still be fat? Or not get hurt?
FirstFallSnow IKR? I always thought dancers were in great shape 🤔
Physical activity, even rigorous training, cannot outdo the effects of a bad diet. And we don’t know anything about her training hours or intensity, how skilled she really is (as opposed to thinks or claims she is), or her frequency of injuries. Also right now she appears young, but there is a good likelihood that she cannot sustain long term participation in dance without running into health and biomechanical issues.
You can’t outwork a bad diet.
The girl in this is Amanda lacount , she’s actually an amazing working dancer , you should look her up
I was a dancer for a long time (about 20 years) and it's excruciating to be overweight or obese and dance for more than a few hours. It's especially painful on knees and ankles. I've had serious injuries because I haven't been in good shape and continued to perform certain styles anyway. Anyone who insists that fat people can dance despite being morbidly obese is delusional.
I remember when I was overweight at 264lbs none of my friends said anything when I ate fast food or other junk. But now that I lost weight and am 145lbs my friends feel like they have to say something if I eat a small piece of candy or something else they deem to be a bad food. Even tho most of my friends aren't in the best shape and overweight themselves. Or else they try and pressure me into eating unhealthy when they want to go out or say some slick comment like "what are you gonna eat, a salad?" Like wtf....yes I'm gonna eat a salad cause I'm never trying to get anywhere near 264lbs ever again. 🤦🏽♀️
Stay strong! Proud for you!
Congratulations, and yes don't let the others bring you down
Stay strong ♥️♥️
Exactly! Same here! Also, why are ppl pretending that salads are the worst thing ever? It's not like I'm chowing down on dry leaves of lettuce. I usually make a salad with lettuce, tomatoes and variations of other veggies like bell peppers, baby carrots, mushrooms, cauliflower, broccoli, celery and/or cucumber, and then I add a protein, usually canned tuna, and I put a dressing on it: a light vinaigrette. So I got a meal that's super healthy, filling ('cause of the protein) and very low in calories. And it's also delicious. Salads are the best^^
Roxy Woodward
Oh man, i loooove a chick peas salad with kale, lettuce, peppers, tomatoes, onion, leek, garlic and some dry roasted sunflower seeds with an olive oil vinaigrette souce. Can’t get enough of it. 😁
I’m a promotional model and I’ve had middle aged women come up to me at work and say “you skinny girls disgust me” and “we used to be skinny like you” as they’re eating funnel cakes and pizza. I wanna clap back so bad but don’t wanna get in trouble 😂
MeganKohlerFitness you win skinny girls!
They are just jealous.
Clap back. I tell people like that you just hating that I can have a slice of pizza and not gain 10lbs in “water weight”. Cause you know how when fat people gain weight they say it’s water weight or that they’re “swollen”😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The best revenge is a life well lived.
I’m middle aged. When I was a teen, I was a size 12. Now I’m much lighter and fitter and a size 0. Go figure. When you are older, they tell you you look like a child, too young to have kids (I have 5), or just the typical “eat a burger”.
“People are so.. so soft”
..fat joke? 🐳
..how dare you 😂🤣
One time when I was at work I walked into the break room with a salad and an older coworker was eating chips and she said, “look at your health” and I was just thinking why you gotta be passive aggressive about my salad
You did well to hold your tongue, I've bitten back on more than one occasion to comments such as these.
It's usually 'cause looking at someone eating healthy makes is confrontational. Like, it reminds them that it's what they should actually be doing. So in order to avoid the cognative dissonance, they pretend like THEY are the ones that are better than the healthy ppl.
That's why I actually don't mind the passive agressive comments or the 'fit-shaming'. To me, it's just a reminder that I'm doing something awesome, that a lot of ppl aren't able to do^^
It’s a sad state in our society when eating veggies and Whole Foods is seen as weird or out of the norm , mean while fast food, processed sugary garbage is seen as just eating a normal diet. My husband , and I both quit drinking, and now both eat a low carb Whole Foods diet, I have no shame in telling others all the benefits I’ve experienced from this change, or turning down shit foods that I honestly have no interest in putting into my body. I feel like once I entered into my 30s (I’m 33 now) I honestly took on the view that I had less Shits to give , and avoid negative ass people that try to bring you down to their level of misery.
Alas, that is the burden of free speech. Every word of "wisdom" often comes in a sentence of foolishness. Best thing to do is to just not give such a damn about what others think or say about you. It can be hard for a beginner, but if you give even a slight shit about reasonably harmless comments like that, then you're not too far off from being like these folks who are nonstop "butthurt." You act like she told you to go screw your mother or something. It's not "passive aggressive," it's a typical boomer sentence because most of them stop caring by the time their death date rolls around.
As a person concerned with my health it’s frustrating when I go out with friends and plan exactly what I’m going to eat (if I even eat out in the first place) so I meet my calories and macros, but if a friend orders a dessert to share or something they’re always like “just have some. It’s not a big deal. Eat a little. It’s okay.” But it’s not. As someone who has a major sweet tooth I have to limit myself to very specific desserts with low sugar and only on the rare occasion or I’ll trigger a binge.
It’s frustrating but they don’t understand so I just say no and move on.
I have this problem as well, with carbs just in general, and will binge eat if I even get a taste of them. When you have an addiction to certain foods it's much harder to moderate yourself than it is to completely cut it out.
Same 💛
THIS
Same. But also when i know I'll eat out, I prep accordingly before (i.e. i dont eat breakfast if im going out for lunch) and then some friends judge me because i eat the SAME THING as them. "How can u eat those i thought u were counting calories" or that one friend who i helped get on her weight loss journey "well *I* wouldnt eat *that* but... okay you do you i guess". Omg god.
A lot of people seem to order desserts to share etc, to try and reduce their own guilt about having something they KNOW isn't good for themselves, 'Well, it's fine to get that as I'll be sharing it'
I have only been slightly overweight, and you know what? people criticized me for being short. for having thick glasses, for getting good grades (you study too much)
once I learned that they will always be dissatisfied, I am having much more fun.
It's inevitable and people need to understand this. Nobody escapes it, your favourite celeb even has to deal with same as the queen and the president. LOL
Its like putting a group of anorexic people in a room and asking them the same dumb questions......same results
Elizma Ras it’s like this fat acceptance community forgets being obese and anorexic are both horrible ends of the same damn spectrum of health, and instead they choose to see anyone skinny/smaller than them as an enemy even though they both can be extremely unhealthy...
I used to get butthurt over "thin privilege" but then I realized that thin privilege is literally just life, and fat people (ie me lol) need to either get in shape or deal with the consequences of being fat. Obesity is a more recent construct caused by an abundance of unhealthy foods, and if we stop eating those unhealthy foods, stop patronizing places that serve those foods, and make better choices, problem solved.
Luna K yassss❤️
You're right about the over abundance of unhealthy food and how cheap it is! 100 years ago, early 1900s, an obese person was not very common at all. We had mainly whole foods, and lots of activities.
I feel like the Fat Acceptance Movement is the equivalent to the ProAna community. I can empathize - in the sense that, we are all human, and we all need a sense of community & connection.
In both communities, I think they are not ready to change/recover.
Fat Acceptance people are not ready to face their food addiction, reduce calories, eat healthier, and lose weight;
ProAna people are not ready to face their food addiction, increase intake, eat fear foods, and gain weight.
I’ve been on ProAna websites, and it seems the difference is: ProAna people know they have eating disorders, but they recognize they’re not ready to change... while Fat Acceptance people are in complete denial.
I don’t have a solution, I’m just sayin’ 🤷🏻♀️
Best comment. So true. It's very similar but on different ends of the spectrum.
That is exactly what this is - recovering bulimic/anorexic
Wow I’d never thought of it like that, but you’re right. Finding support in those who are as sick of you is an odd validation.
I feel like proAna people think that the only way too look pretty is to not eat
But fat people don’t care about beauty or have an extremely warped perspective of what pretty is generally
That's right. Both are toxic movements
ah yeah blaming thin privilege for not getting dancing gigs, or maybe like ALOT of dancers they overestimate their ability and arent as good as they think they are
She is pretty good, she was in other videos before. But I mean... She's underaged first of all
Her skills are amazing
I went to school with her until she moved from FoCo to a performing arts school in Denver. She has been dancing forever. She is actually a great dancer. But her brother and sister both have crappy attitudes, so I'm sure she does too.
Everyone exaggerates a dancer's skills. Stop that bull***!
The Asian girl in the video kind of annoyed me the most. We get it, Korea does have some really thin beauty ideals and Koreans especially older Koreans will straight up tell you that you are fat but she was excuse after excuse after excuse. The whole work out 8 hours a day, I could tell if she was being hyperbolic or serious. All you had to do was eat less and more healthy. That's it. That weight will come off. She was killing herself for nothing
@UHD Gaming PC you can still lose weight with a hormone imbalance, stop making excuses for what she intentionally did to spite her family
@UHD Gaming PC it sound like you are talking about a body shape or composition. Also what model friend are you talking about? Most people are normal they just over eat. You may carry your weight different from the next person but it's not going to make you 300lbs.
@UHD Gaming PC its overabundance of food, you can see it with every country that gets to a state of overabundance that the population getting fatter relatively quickly. people can claim genetics and all that BS all they want but the simple fact is the overwhelming majority have ate themselves that way but also the majority dont even know they've done it and dont blame food when it is the food
@UHD Gaming PC Yeah, I heard that too XD
UHD Gaming PC Good for you! 😁
“You don’t have to be attracted to big women; some people are attracted to obese people, but the masses aren’t...but the masses are obese.”
Really enjoyed this point, I think it sums up the whole video well
I think what he said right there partly explains the pedophilia epidemic. No on is attracted to big people but people are getting bigger, so they go after kids because they are smaller. Anyone else make that connection?
Alicia B idk, seems like a stretch to me. I think the reason it's more prevalent now is because they feel emboldened by all the sjw movements and try to act as if their "attractions" are a human right
What??!! NO.
That setting discouraged independent thought. For the dancer woman; a lot of things in the art of dance are about lines and shapes. The same moves don’t look as dramatic in a fat body. Sometimes dancers are too thin so the dancing looks good even if they look sickly. So that’s it’s own issue
It would be unsafe if carnival rides supported 400# people. It’d be very hard to balance if there was a large discrepancy between the smallest and largest person on the ride
Anna LA this is so true and i honestly never took into account the carnival ride theory
I had the same thought, about the setting.
I call bs on the dancer sh*t. You obviously haven't seen alot of good overweight dancers.
@@Calipicker Your opinion, things still look different on different bodies. Wheelchair ballet is beautiful, but you have to acknowledge that it looks different to ballet done by other people. The difference in the appearance of dance on different bodies doesn't change the dance itself, however the movement won't be the same due to the difference. Support who you support, don't try to force your views on others.
just finished watching Michelle McDaniels latest video and in that exact moment a new video from Papa Swolio is up. perfect timing for some balls deep 🙌🏻
haha same here
I'm queer and I thought the same thing... Why are there only gay men? Straight men are often already so repressed internally it would of been nice seeing a straight fat man's views on this and what he goes through.
Idk, but my guess would be the fat gays demand other gay men to be attracted to them and feel oppressed, because the ideal body shape to gay men is the fit muscle man.
I think a lot of it is that fat acceptance people have tried equating it to other social justice movements and a lot of straight men don’t feel represented or served by social justice movements. To be clear, I support most social justice issues: trans and gay rights and representation, anti-racism, pro-woman. But a lot of straight men, especially straight white guys, are pretty anti-“sjw” and I think a lot of it is these fringe movements, fat acceptance, etc. co-opting the language of legitimate social issues serves to make them all look less serious and therefore easy to dismiss. Fat men usually have their own kind of fat logic. It’s generally not organized, but it is present. Like “it’s all muscle!” Or “I played football in high school” or “most men get heavier when they get older” or equating any kind of body consciousness to being effeminate or gay.
Cuz I mean the appearance pressure isnt much on guys and so they arent pressured to act out as fat acceptance or like die to have a better body if theyre in the normalish range a little plus minus dont matter so I guess they wouldnt care enough to do something like this.
@@maryamkidwai2543 appearance pressure isnt much on guys? I have to respectfully disagree with that. Just one example is that the men in movies are incredibly cut and are very "manly" i know there are fat guys, but only the guys in the hero or manly role are muscular and manly. Men naturally put themselves in the badass hero stoic role and the men in those roles are always muscular and such. The fat representation in moves is and such does exist but its never a role than men fantasize about being in.
straights aren't "repressed internally"...they are legally oppressed and victimized.
Down 65lbs and I ran for the entire video on the tredmill! Thanks for all you do, laying down the truth!
Nice. I hope you ran for a bit longer as well as this wasn't quite up to the recommended mn for cardio benefits.
I actually will pop in an anime series DVD and go for at least 3 episodes. Get to watch my shows and get in better shape, who says you need more time. This is part of why people are slowly starting to have cardio equipment in their living rooms (although for me, I put that stuff in my gaming room).
OmniscientWarrior 15 min is a great time for running..and even 5 min would be better than nothing which is what a lot of people do..
Cyndi great job on your weightloss girl!!!💛💛
congrats. i have always had trouble running bc of my lungs but since I've lost weight it's been easier
"Oh look Moni is eating her oats again" *everybody laughts*
"Girl, do you really enjoys those or you just force yourself to eat them to look like that "*pointing at my body while rolling her eyes*
"Oh come on, just eat the donuts, its easier" *pfff-ing at me*
"You are probably starving yourself and your boyfriend with this healthy eating"
"You go to the gym?!?!? After work??!! Girl, you are crazy! Clearly we dont get you tired enough at work"
Etc.,etc., etc.
Moni Pavlova that’s wild, everyone around me is pretty supportive with my healthy eating and even says it inspires them. Obviously those people are just insecure and jealous
Irritating! Like its your body, why do people need to involve themselves with comments. Just do your own thing!
Cayla Cross I work mostly with women older than me (think 35-40 yo) and i guess they gave up on themselves and that is why they are trying to show me that its not worth working on myself either.
I try not to bother with their comments. Like you said, its my body, i will feed it with whatever i want. But my point was that not only plus-sized people get comments on what they eat or do. Some "thin privileged" girls like me also have to deal with these kinds of stuff.
Wow, I’m sure you’re a lot LESS tired than they are. I’m trying to lose weight and I think I have sleep apnea. I’m somewhere between 5’7” or 5’8”. I think my weight is in the 230s based on using a scale at the emergency room when my husband went there almost two months ago. At that time I was 237 lbs but I may have lost a little. The guess about sleep apnea is based on what my husband said about me when I’m sleeping and the fact I often think about sleep all the time and don’t get enough sleep. It’s not an official diagnosis.
Ohmy that is terrible😶
Dang it! Sizes are getting bigger? I was so happy when a medium shirt fit me... Time to workout harder to get down to a small!
or just wait 5 years then people will become so fat they'll make a medium, small :D
A good example of this would be get the measurements of a size 2 dress in America then the size 2 dress from the UK. A long time ago American dress companies realized that many women weren't buying their dresses all because when the woman saw the dress size (because sadly women don't measure by size, but by a scale) and were upset by it. So they increased the size of the dress and lowered the number (shifted the scale) and suddenly they felt better and bought more dresses because they were a size 0 or whatever again. US and UK dress sizes used to be the exact same.
Same! I was happy cause I was a size 2...I gained weight and guess what? I'm still size 2 .-.
It makes no fucking sense!
LOL. I thought the same thing. I lost 70 lbs and in a Medium shirt.
tomanator333 I ordered a medium in athletic shorts and got them and they’re HUGE! Extra small is what fit.
I'm still waiting for "fit" privilege to kick in. I can't find clothes that fit properly because mediums are too tight and larges are too large. I actually have to get custom tailored dress shirts because nothing fits for my fit body type. Thin/fit privileges, I don't see anyone catering to my body type.. yet it seems businesses are catering to obese people.
It will never become a thing due to the difference between the people. Thin and fit people know what it takes to stay healthy, the discipline and self sacrifice. These social "privileges" and expectations don't matter to them because they understand the world should not cater to them and people disagree on everything. Meanwhile fat and unhealthy people like to blame everything but themselves for their unhealthiness, and that mentality spills over into everything else. If they realized their weight was their fault, how could they blame social standards for not catering to them. But they don't
Meanwhile half of social standards do cater to them lol
@@liamstanley6719 I completely agree. The way fat people seem to describe it, it seems like because of my body type I get outrageous benefits that are other than health related.
@@liamstanley6719 very true. Like papa swolio said, clothes sizes are getting larger. Small fits like a medium, medium like a large, large like an extra large, and so on
I agree! I’m 5-4 which means I should be in Petite sizes but Petite is a body type (think narrow shoulders, short waisted, short inseam/stride in pants, etc) and I don’t have that. However, Missy clothes start at about 5-6 or so therefore, I’m too short. I have to get most things altered (sleeves, etc)...
I’m ready to protest “fit privilege “. Where shall we have our meetings?
Edited to say sizes are getting bigger. I’m a modern 4 bottom and a 10 top (thank you Boob Fairy for that bit of shopping problems) however, in vintage clothing, I’m a 12-14. Massive amounts of vanity sizing here.
I’ve dealt with the “bringing my own food” thing countless times. What it taught me is how to deal with people and negativity. And you know what? I’ve become a more successful person in other areas of my life because I’ve learned to deal with people. So win-win?
Mind sharing some advice?
Sorry for the late reply
Literally need some advice please
I've recently begun wearing Small clothes as well. It was quite a shock: I'm phisically quite imposing, I got fitter, but I have never been small and still am not. What a world we live in.
I found getting a good idea of your size is to try on a piece of vintage clothing. Or jodhpurs. Horse riding clothes seem to me to be very close to true sizing, maybe because the majority of riders serious enough to buy proper riding clothes are in a healthier weight range.
As a small person, I've noticed this too. A lot of clothes smallest size is small, so I'll generally get that, but I have shirts that go down to my knees, shirts that fit correctly, and even shirts that billow out like bat wings because they're too wide. I'm 4'11" and all I want is to not special order my shirts too.
Some Airlines are offering bigger seats as ”economy plus” or ”premium economy”. I always use them because they are like half priced business seats.
ossme we do, too! Those long flights call for it. ♥️
Which airlines offer these seats? Never heard of this ever
I believe united does. When my husband and I fly to Oregon we fly United and they have an upgrade economy class. As long as it’s not one of the small planes.
En En Delta has had Comfort Economy sections for years now.
their own fat acceptance has now backwards lmao
Ugh. You can't argue with these people, Papa Swolio. They're not disagreeing with you because they claim you're wrong, they're disagreeing with you because you claim that there IS a right and wrong. They don't believe in objective truth or facts. All they care about is feelings and experience. "Everyone creates their own reality" "What's wrong for you is right for me" etc. etc. You can't argue with someone that rejects the idea that there's an objective truth to be argued. Feelings, feelings, feelings, that's all that matters.
Hope that wasn't reading too much into it. Love your videos.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
I work with someone who always offers around sweets, cakes, etc. She'll get to me and say "Oh, I shouldn't even offer this to you since you're doing that 'low-carb' thing. Do you want one though? Surely one won't hurt anything, I don't know how you can live without nice things".
Come on. You know you shouldn't offer to me but you'll try to sabotage me anyway because you eat junk every day while complaining about not losing weight. It's damned annoying.
It’s really fucking sad that she thinks junk food is the only nice thing she lives with, wow.
I have the same thing at my job. Now they just go oh well we know you don't want any. Or make other comments. I'm just like ok whatever.
Sheri Wilson ughhh don’t let her get to you. Toxic people will always try to pull you down into their misery.
I would describe privilege as (something along the lines of) "People assigning unearned positive attributes to you."
In my early 20s I was in fantastic shape, I've been up and down over the last 20 years and have had lots of exposure to how people treated me at different weights. I can say that being fit does have an associated privilege with it. With that said I think most of the fat activists probably over estimate how large these privileges are.
"Skinny people get more privileges" sksksksk these are advantages
Fat people have the same advantages to loss weight.
You heard of internalised oppression swolio? Where the group who is oppressed begins to use the same tactics against themselves as those who oppressed them (in their minds) in the first place. Fat acceptance activists referring to themselves as infinifat is a fitting example.
Also as for criticism on a regular basis, I have water or order pretty nutritiously (takes a while to scour menu for good option) when I go out and get ridiculous amounts of criticism for that. Ordering tap water at a restaurant or asking what ingredients are used in the recipe is always met with disapproving tuts from others at table. Like if you don't have an allergy or intolerance and have the audacity to ask what is inside something I'm about to put in my fucking mouth then I'm too picky? "Treat yourself! For once!" Keep eating your shit and I'll keep eating mine.
I watched the full video and that guy in the back was trying to convince people to feel as strongly as he did about every topic. And at one point one of the people looked around to see what others were voting before they voted.
Yes 👏👏👏👏👏👏
*exhales in disappointment* is a big mood😂
What I hated about this show is how none of them talked about health, it was all aesthetics.
SoulScr3am If you listen to a person long enough you will learn what’s really important to them.
love your channel
You are so right about all sizes and fitness levels being criticized. I am now morbidly obese due to a tumor in my neck and get criticized by random strangers about my weight. Back in high school and college, I was a tri-season athlete whom really enjoyed lifting weights. I was very fit and muscular. I was made fun of by my peers whom called me the Russian or German, implying that I took steroids. But I was a rugby player and knew that my height and amount of muscle made me a force to be reckoned with on the pitch. People are going to criticize because they can, it does not matter your height, weight, age or anything. Fuck 'em, drive on.
Thank u!! I just found your Channel and it’s absolutely amazing!!! You change my mind set!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Great video. I've also noticed through my life that people will answer differently based on how the question is worded.
I only enjoy those Jubilee videos where they have people of opposing views. Like their climate change believers vs nonbelievers one. Allows for better contrast and easy exposure of foolish but popular ideas through discourse. I'd love to see a fat acceptance vs anti fat acceptance one.
sarah i pretty sure they actually did a middle ground video on that!
@@kaylzzzza oh nice! Gotta check it out ty
@@kaylzzzza okay I watched and was a bit dissapointed. The fitness side didn't get to speak that much.
@@spacewinter yeah I know. Just because you are loud doesn't mean that you are right
Sir, not to be rude but your moustache is uneven and that stresses me out.
Finally decided to watch one of your videos, I really enjoyed watching. I am super impressed with how you navigate this mine field, it’s so easy to just go with the crowd and cater to people’s emotions which is so useless when we’re talking about health crisis. As someone who was once obese, and who is now fit and working out everyday; I have actually heard more criticism since my weightloss. When I was fat, a lot of my “friends” would tell me I am big and beautiful, full figured beauty, I would look weird if I lost weight. When I lost weight people always questioned me and told me to go eat a burger, I’m wasting away etc. everybody’s experience is different just goes to show.
Great work man, thanks for sharing your perspective.
I got fit shamed this weekend. I clapped back by letting my relatives know that if they feel insecure they could join me in my next workout and meal prep session. Shit got real.
I'm so glad you covered this. I watched that video yesterday and was sad hearing them speak. They sound like they are confused with what they want and just gave up on trying to be healthy. It sucks.
I am obsessed with these videos! Keeps me motivated 💪🏼
This dropped THE MINUTE after I watched this. Wow this was some perfect timing. You look wonderful today Papa Swolio
5:50 AMAZING POINT! great video Thor
I'm always told I'm training too much, I get up too early, i need to live a little and eat more treats. You get shamed no matter what you do 🤷🏼♀️
I completely agree with you. I recently gained a lot of weight after gastric sleeve a couple years ago and I partly blame the fat acceptance thing. Also my weakness! I’m so glad I discovered your channel. I recently did another cooking vid on my channel and seeing the weight gain was painful. But also making me see I don’t want to accept fat! Thank you for what you do! 😀😀💙
I've been a fan of ObeseToBeast and Michelle McDaniel for awhile. Had heard of you, even when Michelle joined you on your podcast I just couldn't get into it but I must have been clicking the wrong videos. The more I explore, the more I REALLY like some of your content. Love this one! Keep at it!
Awesome! I was hoping to hear your review of that video!!
Thank you for your dedication. Love waking up to your videos 🙌🏼
One of my previous jobs I took a homemade salad in for my break and someone says something like 'why are you eating that you don't need to diet'. Annoys me, I want to eat a bit healthier and people loose their shit thinking I want to loose weight 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
And even if you were doing it to lose weight why would it be any of their business lol 🙄
I just really appreciate how you say what you do 🙇🏻♀️✨ thank you
I dont know if I have already said, but thanks for all you do. People like you have been the motivation for me since I was morbidly obese in highschool. I'm now at a healthy weight and so thankful youtube shown me such great influencers over the years. I couldn't have got here without them. Keep doing what you do, and you'll motivate more to change like I have.
Papa Swolioooooo. The word fat describes what it is. I use to take things like this to heart, you just can't. The problem is people giving the word power and letting it mess with them.
Christmas eve and I'm cooking and doing an hour of weights my arms are shaking and I cant hold a wooden spoon any more...I'll eat then go and spin for an hour! Love watch swol on my break
I'm from Brazil 🇧🇷 and here we have that big big big body culture, being fit and healthy and look beautiful and "toned" is pretty normal. Those people of Fat Acceptance Movement are very discriminate here, it's just not normal, I can easily say that. Send all these crazy's women's here and we fixed then hahahahahaha
The same goes for Eastern Europe & Russia women there take care of themselves so well that no fat chick can stand the competition, so you gotta be in shape.
I agree with the sizes getting bigger. I'm a 120 lb women trying to find scrub sizes in XS, which I have never been, because the "small" sizes are getting to be a medium.
They should start charging by the pound when buying a plane ticket.
Great video, great insight!!!
Not long ago I was asked "what is wrong with you?" when I stated I don't eat cake, ice cream etc. I'm past the point of eating to be "polite" now, I don't do shared lunches at work, if I go on a training course, even though food is provided, I'll take my own food anyway. As you say dash, water off a ducks back to me, people can think and say what they like about what I eat, not "joining in" when they have shared garbage, because only putting the best stuff into my body beats the opinions of those who are satisfied with eating poison.
I love your content but when you start talking about balls I either fast forward or end the video lmaooo
You are so on point!!!!
can you keep up with chris brown tho :( if you're dancing like whitney thore you're not a high level dancer
A Tribe Called Quest for real tho, i'm a dancer myself and i've gotten in trouble for saying the exact same thing to some girl who always complains about not being in the center because she's fat, when in reality she's just bad and can't keep up with simple choreo, she gets winded within the first 5 minutes, how the hell does she expects to be in the center or be a backup dancer?
@@Wakandashitisthis they wanna talk about equality and fairness but then want to be handed the good stuff on a silver platter. People like you work hard for their dance moves but because they're big and marginalized (ironic lmao) they deserve the spot instead smh
@@Wakandashitisthis It's more than that, pal. In dance? Often times, a partner has to lift and it isn't fair to ask that partner to lift somebody who is fat. Can you imagine the damage that would be done if a partner did have to lift somebody who was over 250 pounds? The spine damage would be a nightmare.
Sit n Spin yeah that's some scary shit.
Have you seen her dance?? She gets it pretty good which makes me wonder... If shes getting that much cardio on a regular basis, wtf is she eating to keep her at that size?? I can't imagine!!
#SackSunday
Thank you for the way you break down why you think and feel the way you do.
#FactsOverFeelings
I'm so glad I found you ❤ you are good for my mind and heart.
People hate me because I’m buff. But I do have compassion for everyone if you want to improve. Consistent gym over years. Works.
Definitely feel that about people judging you for eating healthy! Whenever I talk about diet with my family they always make fun of me for eating carrots or liking celery as a snack and will pressure me to eat desserts! When those bad foods like unhealthy snacks and desserts are already tempting it definitely makes it even harder to stay healthy
I make my own food, too. It’s just chicken, rice, and vegetable. 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ It’s not that deep and yet I get criticized.
I’m 16 years old and have been struggling with my weight since I was a child, due to being surrounded by unhealthy relatives and obese parents. After getting my shit together FINALLY, I’ve lost 50 lbs, went from a size XL to Med, lost 8 inches around my waist and ultimately feel great. But with the topic of skinny shaming, I recall specifically how often my father-who’s over 400lbs-will berate me for not eating out when we go out as a family, or make a big deal out of bullshit. It’s all about having a strong resolve and calling people out on their BS excuses.
Your calmness is freaking me out
I DIDNT KNOW I COULD EMBODY MY TRAMA THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE NOW THANK YOU SO MUCH
My family say things to me and my daughters all the time especially coming from a black family that don't really understand the concept of eating healthy and working out. And random people I don't know especially in the grocery store. Love you videos keep up the good work.
I agree with so many of your points
I remember I started to bring my own lunch to school because I had special meal plan and they fed us crap at the cafeteria. I started to eat inside classrooms because I got weird looks outside and my anxiety just got worse. After some time I also stopped that. I haven't eaten anything at school for 3 years now :/
Suck because some days end at 5pm
f*** them! bring your food! dont f*** up your stomach coz of some a**holes!
fuck what they say you gotta do what you gotta do for your health
You shouldn't care what people think about you, eat, you are really gonna messed up your stomach. 😓
You could use the anxiety to do intermittent fasting. After you are done with the school day you can fit in all your calories for the day.
I'm sorry you feel this way. Please start taking food to school again. You need the sustenance during the day. My son brought his lunch until he graduated from high school. I knew the school lunch food was the bottom of the agricultural barrel and fed him myself, though he was allowed to have pizza on Fridays. Thankfully, other students brought lunch, mostly due to religious dietary restrictions such as needing kosher or halal foods, so no one felt out of place. In the town I live in now, I see that the school lunch choices are so much better than what was available 30 years ago, but I would still want my child to bring his lunch most of the time. Be strong and bring your own food.
I've been waiting for this 😂
Good stuff man,
#SWOLENORMOUSQUAAAAD 🔥
Literally lol’d at the intro hahahaha 😂
LET’S GET DEEEEEEEEEEEP 👊
You didn’t make me uncomfortable when you chucked your water in the end! 😱 how dare you, Papa?! You really dissapointed me 💔
I am actually very thankful that in my country bringing your own food with you everywhere is the standard. Like we whip out our Tupperware in the lunchtime and our sandwiches when we travel xD I actually feel judged if i eat junk food. Even when ppl buy their foods, they usually order something that actually has nutritional value. I never see ppl munch on, for example, Burger King during lunchtime at work, or pizza and stuff like that. Maybe pizza if there's a special occasion because it can be shared.
The last part 😂 I’m dead 😂😂😂
I really can't get over your intros 😂 I feel traumatised and can't finish my brussel sprouts
You made alot of good points, as always. I just can't stop thinking when I was watching, how do you get your Beard so Straight? Lol do you use a Heated Beard Brush? ... appreciate you dude, your on point. Keep'em comming.
SNL Chris Farley Patrick Swayze Chippendales audition priceless
I have to say this is an incredibly well-spoken video. Honesty, no bullshit, without being an ass.
I was an mma fighter under 125lbs, I’m 5’2” and fluctuated between 120-130lbs. When I was on the lower side of 120 I was constantly told I was too thin, or too “cut” or muscular. There’s a huge difference between skinny and healthy as well.
I totally agree with you that everyone gets criticized for various things. I’m very thin and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “ omg eat a cheeseburger “ or “ damn you could hoola hoop through a Cheerio” . It’s annoying but I don’t get all worked up over it.
So happy Papa Swolio takes such good care of his beard. 💛✨👱
i work in a retail store and we go by sizes 0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18 (xs-xxl) and I've had a few customers complain and say "god who in the world even wears a size zero?! how can you be a size 0??" and I usually just ignore it because If you were to reverse what they say and complain about someone wearing a size xxl/18 people would lose their shit. I wear a size 0 too and some people are just really ignorant and dumb.
I fuck with you big poppa swole. I don't sub to everyone but I finally hit that sub button Cuz you, Alan, Michele been keeping it real. I like this content. Was a Lil over weight and getting in shape and getting jacked was the best decision I ever made baby!!!
Your channel has helped me a lot. I've never been overweight but I've always eaten almost only junk food and justified it because I stay 120 pounds. I'm making an effort to eat better now for my health.
I just watch Michelle McDaniels video and I found your afterwards, good surprise aha. I agree with some points but wanted to give some perspective about what you said as a someone certified in psychology !
At 6:50, you talk about pressure fit and healthy people have when they unconsciously show why they are in shape (bringing food, not drinking too much, going to the gym.) sure people sometimes get backclash from this. But they tend to be praised for it too " At least you're taking care of you " " I should be more careful too.. ". Obese and overweight people aren't made fun of or annoyed because people are secretly envious of them. On the opposite, they are made fun of because people, mostly doesn't want to become them. They are viewed as lazy, smelly (classical stereotype among children..), dumb.. Mostly fit people haven't negative stereotypes. Specially at a young age, for teens, mostly being fit and in shape is a GREAT way of being positively valued. On the opposite, teens are so fuckin harsh with obese people. (Maybe because they project a lot of their own fear in them.).. That's why, I think, stigma are more important and more frequent for obese/overweight people.
(I got way more sources, but at least there is two : about fear of getting fat and becoming fat ; www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30221195 and stigma around that people and how we perpetuate this cycle victim-oppressor that deserves the cause of having healthier habits www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/real-healing/201308/i-see-fat-people )
At 9:00 about stigma, you said it all. We need to change the system, how we feed population. I just wanted to add the stigma around employment for fat people just for you to know.. www.cnbc.com/2017/11/03/study-finds-youre-less-likely-to-get-hired-if-youre-overweight.html
Couldn't agree more about the coercive effect of the group aha
At 11:00 about " She shouldn't have eat that much ", easy to say.. Some people cope with fitness and gym, others cope with food. Really depends of the education and role models (and so parents mostly.), and others factors. www.jlgh.org/Past-Issues/Volume-4---Issue-4/Behavioral-and-Psychological-Factors-in-Obesity.aspx About coping mecanism, psychology and development of obesity. And why mostly I don't like what we push feeling aside.. For me it's like saying " Meh psychology doesn't mean anything, body is stronger than the mind, if you want to change, just change. " Human mind isn't that simple, sadly. Willpower sure is a factor in obesity, as others are too and I find it sad that almost nobody on here (on youtube, except sometimes Michelle in fact) seems care about those factors. Saying that obesity is linked to mental health issue doesn't mean those things can't be changed. On the opposite, this means people need help and need to change their mentality. And that's what you said about airplane and overweight people, if you only change the sit you don't take care of the root issue. Same here, if we don't take care of WHY someone is eating himself alive, mostly he will never change.
cmha.bc.ca/documents/body-image-self-esteem-and-mental-health/ Great document of Canadian mental health association about the linked between body image, self esteem and mental health. The parallel with obesity is kinda obvious lol
Take care you Swolenormous !
“The university 65” 😂😂😂😂
Hi! I’m actually one of the people in this video. I respect that it’s an open forum and you’re entitled to your opinions and criticism and that you are going to feel how you feel about fat people so I’m not going to put energy into persuading you otherwise. I do wish, however, that you had gone a step further and looked at the social media pages of the people in the video. You would’ve seen that the young teenage girl talking about dance is actually a professional dancer, Amanda LaCount, who has been on tour with Rihanna, Lizzo, Meghan Trainor, Katie Perry and more and is speaking from a place of experience because this is her career not a hobby or some pipe dream. Her weight isn’t limiting her from pursuing or succeeding at her passion. You also discussed her changing her mind and how it angered you... before we began taping, one of the things producers covered with us is that we are entitled to change our minds. She changed where she was standing because she realized she had nothing holding her back from standing on the strongly agree line. We actually discussed it further and had it not been edited out you would’ve see she wasn’t swayed, she explained that strongly agree had felt like a big commitment until she said everything she felt out loud and realized she didn’t have a reason not to stand on that line. People are entitled to change their minds and it shouldn’t invalidate their opinion, in fact she emphasized it more. It kinda came off like you were looking for a reason to be annoyed.
A little background about the video...We actually were on set for over 2hrs and we covered a slew of topics with each person answering every topic... including a prompt about health, which I spoke a lot about as a woman who’s weight is due to my disability and the medications I take to treat it. If you had seen my social media, you would’ve seen that I’m a disability awareness advocate and I discuss health both mental and physical.
What you don’t get to see is there were plenty of times in the video when we disagreed and had different points of view, but because we as the cast have no control over what is put in the final cut, you didn’t get to see us discuss some of the more in depth questions.
I will say, it’s easy to take a few snippets of an already cropped video (you’re a CZcamsr so you know how editing goes) and use them to help make your point. You discussed three people’s opinions, three opinions do not speak for the majority of our group or of the plus size community. But I get it, you’re working with what the video gave you. I just wanted to clarify a few things. Thanks for watching.
The clothing sizes are absolutely insane! My heaviest weight was 235, I'm 174 now. But I have perfectly fiting clothes ranging from a SIZE 2 to 2x when I was over 200lbs. And currently my workout bottoms are mediums, which makes me feel good, but is also not honest.
I often watch these videos when I’m at the gym.
I must have grown up in a bubble, I've been overweight most of my life and I've never been harrassed about my weight. It makes me wonder if my experience was that unique or if I was harrassed but just didn't see it as an issue.
I've had a comment or two about how much food I was eating, but like you, never any outright harassment. I've even seen people who weighed 400-500 lbs on the train, but no one did/said anything mean to them. Yet online, I've heard horror stories from women saying that men yelled at them from cars as they walked, jeered at them as they passed then on sidewalks, etc. Maybe it's the area I live in, but most people here are so busy working and living their lives that they can't stop everything to just make someone else's life more miserable.
Lucky you. It sucks to be called greedy and hearing comments on how much you eat.
8:55 YES! Someone needs to do a video about that! I've noticed that too! I used to wear a medium now mediums are like tents!