Can’t fool me, Bro. I already know what side of this issue you come down on! I respect you for sticking to your guns (pun intended) too. Let me ask you a couple of questions: In your time as a Marine, did you ever notice anyone that had a hard time shooting a 1911 well? Were there WM’s in the MPs when you were in? When you were a LEO Marksmanship Instructor did you ever suggest someone stop using their department issue “double stack marvel” and go to a 1911? One more and I’ll quit: When you were Chief, what was your primary sidearm and did anyone carry one, mainly, under your watch?
Ha, ha! Keep in mind the question is whether the 1911 is “obsolete”. If the question was: “Is the 1911 right for everyone?” Then the answer would be a resounding “No.”
When you spoke the words “ Is the 1911 obsolete,” I felt a disturbance in the Force as though millions of voices suddenly cried out in horror and astonishment... and then were no more. The Sun moved backwards in the sky and the earth trembled. Other than that, an interesting conversation!😄
I carried a 1911 for years, since it was my first semiauto pistol. It's slim--thus easier to conceal--and has a grip geometry that I don't have to overcome. I now have other handguns, but I'm not a police officer, and I'm not heading to war, so eight rounds of .45 ACP--plus a spare magazine or two--is going to get me through just about anything I'd be able to solve with a handgun.
Seeing as the goal of a civilian is to do what is necessary to disengage, or encourage bad actors to depart your humble abode, lower capacity should not be an issue. Being accurate with every shot is. Cops and military personnel have to stand and fight, our job is to protect our loved ones, and if out in public, clear the area safely. And for home defense, concealability is not really a factor, is it? Nor is having extra magazines handy.
@@timclaus8313 Extra magazines are just in case--in case the rounds already in the pistol aren't enough or in case the magazine currents there fails to function. And not all defensive gun uses take place in one's home.
@@gregcampwriter Certainly was not disagreeing with your comment, just pointing out that packability is not really of prime importance in home defense. If a trusty 1911 is the gun someone can pick up cold and center punch any target at any time, it is the right gun for the job. Concealing is a bit different than ready for use at home.
@@timclaus8313 Well, the counter argument ,at least in the law enforcement agency from which I retired, think multiple assailants even in home invasions. From experience gun fights can get out of hand quickly with lots of bullets fired and extra ammunition could be a benefit even for a civilian.
@@Lee-rq1ek For home defense, as long as you can shoot it well, really doesn't matter how large the gun is. If you are happy with a double stack 10mm, go for it. For carry, everyone has to make the assessment for themselves for size, capacity, concealability on their own body type and preferred clothing. And I would never discourage carry spare mags or stripper clips for revolvers. At times I will carry a pistol or a revolver, like them both. Plus anyone that carries needs to spend as much time in learning threat assessment as time spent on the range. For that matter, the world would be a better place if everyone practiced more situational awareness.
To paraphrase WHO_TEE_WHO, if it can still hurl boulats, it ain't obsolete. My HS2000 also has a grip safety, and it also goes bang when I pull the trigger.
The HS2000 is what the guy who bought the rights to Springfield Armory chose to import and rebrand as the original XD series pistols. He wanted to get into the polymer framed pistol market and chose the HS2000 to do it with and he ordered a bunch of them and put XD all over it. It amazes me how many XD "super fan boys" don't know anything about that.
@@jonathanhudson4623 mine is stamped "IM METAL" (the old manufacturer name) on one side of the slide, and "INTRAC KNOX TN" on the other. Don't know if that predates Springfield, but I can't complain. Different from a Glock.
Addressing the very first question you pose in the video: obsolescence only comes when the purpose the tool was designed for no longer exists. One might think that in this age of angle grinders and Dremel tools, hand files would be obsolete... but I have a whole drawer full of them and use them almost daily for work too quick and simple to bother setting up those "modern" tools. Likewise, using a brace and bit to drill holes might also be thought obsolete with today's profusion of cordless power drills, but I have TWO braces and a full set of bits for drilling larger holes or drilling slower and with greater care to avoid splintering on the exit side than those power tools are capable. Thus, I propose that technically, NO defensive firearm is ever truly obsolete. Do I (or you) actually NEED anything else? Col. Jeff Cooper summed it up best: "Beware the man with only one gun. He probably knows how to shoot it."
@@carolyngeorge244 Part of my judgement is based upon 22 years in law enforcement, 28 years military service (four of which were as a Hospital Corpsman assigned to the 1st and 3rd Marine Divisions and 3rd Marine Air Wing.) and countless hours in E.R.'s in Los Angeles hospitals either taking shooting victims/suspects in for treatment or accompanying other officers/detectives on these investigations. The rest is based upon good reasoning skills bolstered by this experience. I hope this clarifies my stand.
Yeah but you don't trust your life to a woodworking tool, you should choose a weapon that gives you every possible advantage, 1911s are cool and many are works of art and peices of history but its ok to enjoy them for just that and leave the life and death moments to something more effective
Great discussion. I carry a modern striker-fired pistol, but any weapon is just as effective as it was the day it left the factory. Full disclosure: my backup or light clothing pocket carry is an FN Herstal Browning 1908 Vest Pocket. John Moses Browning was a genius. Even after we transition to phasers or whatever, his designs will still be in widespread use.
After reviewing 44 1911s in my 22-part Great Affordable 1911 Series, each gun having unique characteristics, I can answer the caption question with a resounding NO, NEVER! But I'll wait for the premiere for the Chief's thoughts.
I see 3 drawbacks to the 1911. Cost, weight and magazine capacity. Cost-wise, you will pay at least $800 for a quality 1911. Start adding an aluminum frame, a rail and some better sights, and you can easily spend $1500+. As far as weight goes, an aluminum frame compact 1911 comes in at around 25oz unloaded. Might find a few with polymer frames but they aren't common. Compared to a Glock, Sig P365, Hellcat or other popular carry pistols, that weight is significant. But not difficult to manage by any means. Get the right holster and its nearly unnoticeable. Then there is magazine capacity. If you can't handle a self defense situation with 7-8 rounds then you need to work on marksmanship. I own 5 Colt 1911s of varying barrel lengths and have fired thousands of rounds thru them. The only issue I've run into with any of them are double feeds with the factory Colt magazines. This is an issue easily fixed by WC or CM mags. And 2 had an overly stiff thumb safety that required a trip back to Colt to fix. So I have no idea where this myth of 1911s being unreliable comes from. Nearly every issue I've ever heard of is traced back to magazines or the extractor. I've yet to find another handgun that feels more comfortable in my hands, or shoots easier or more accurately with a large caliber round. And the .45 ACP round is arguably one of, if not the best self defense rounds out there. So for me, a somewhat more expensive heavier gun with a smaller magazine capacity is a worthwhile trade off compared to the other available options. Shoot what you are good and comfortable with, whether it's a Glock, revolver or a 1911.
@@brianthreet5600 1911s cover a pretty broad range in price. My RIA Gov't model 38 Super was $450, never has misfires, and the only failure to feed was a round not loaded properly at the top of the magazine, something that can happen to any magazine fed weapon, handgun or rifle. It will eat anything, factory or handload, and is pretty darn accurate at 30+ yards. Even with tritium sights and some very nice Altamont rosewood grip panels, I still have about $575 in it.
Your everyday driver might be a Honda Civic; but you probably have a classic muscle car in the garage. Which one do you love? Yeah, that's what I thought!
Another fine video on the great 1911. Here on the farm on my pistol range, when family and friends come to shoot, I set up a table and lay out my 1911’s and they lay out their modern plastic guns and everyone picks up my 1911’s , shoots them usually very well and the first thing they say is they love it. Second thing they ask how much it costs, and the third thing they ask if they can buy it off me as their new plastic guns sit on the table. Long live the 1911.
I have to admire your well thought out and organized presentations. Good presentations require a lot f hard work. I suspect that there are a great many “obsolete men” out there.
Down here in Texas, you might be surprised at how many 1911s you see in Law Enforcement holsters (young and old officers). I believe this goes back to the Texas Rangers in the early 20th century that found favor with it and many still carry it today. Culturally, it trickles down to Sheriff deputies, Houston Police and small town police. Even in departments where more contemporary handguns are mandated (HPD), a lot of older officers are grandfathered in and still choose the 1911. There is a reason it still rivals modern pistols and just about ever major and minor gun manufacturer makes it and/or different versions and modifications of it. It’s just that good, even though it’s different.
A few cops in Orlando FL area use 1911s. 👮🏻♂️ I spoke to a officer who said SWAT and any sworn officer who can qualify with a SAO 1911 can use one on duty. Orlando PD has used SIG P226Rs, P229Rs for 12 years or so. Orange County sheriffs use Glocks; gen 4, 5 17, 21, 22, 23, 43, 19 models.
Obsolete? Not until butter smooth\short 3lb trigger pulls and the perfect grip\pointing angle becomes obsolete. And with a compact aluminum 2011, "low cap" and "heavy weight" are no longer legit complaints
I was particularly taken by the discussion of the "natural point" feature of the 1911 and the Hi=Power. True in both cases. They just lines the sights up so easily.
Thanks for the thoughtful video. As someone who lives in a state that restricts magazine capacity to 10 rounds, a 9mm 1911 gives up nothing in terms of capacity to more modern pistols that lack its outstanding ergonomics and trigger - making the 1911 an even more appealing choice.
Great video and to still be having a discussion about a 1911 110 years later proves the relevancy of one of the greatest design ever produced and copied and still be carried by so many
A very interesting video. I felt the same way when I was still carrying a .38 Special revolver as my EDC. I've sold out since then, but my gun buddies were always pressuring me to switch to something more modern. I always fell back on the general point that, with regard to citizen-involved-shootings at least, in the last 100 or so years, humanity hasn't become more crab-like. People do not seem to be developing exoskeletons, and body armor is not THAT common among criminals, at least not yet. Therefore, the .45 ACP and .38 Special are every bit as effective now as they were back then. None of my gun buddies ever volunteered to allow me to test just how "ineffective" those calibers really are by stepping in front of the muzzle. As for the 1911 platform, an Amish buggy is still several standard deviations more effective and desirable than walking, especially during winter. As for revolvers, how can a design which almost never fails to function under most circumstances ever truly be obsolete? No one gun design is ever going to appeal to all of our human-alas-all-too-human temperaments equally. Another point I always make is that; The gun you prefer, for whatever reason, is the one you're gonna carry, and is the one you're gonna have on hand if / when you really need it. At least as long as there are people who prefer the 1911, it's not obsolete. Old fashioned, does not mean ineffective.
The Mauser and the m1 garand are proven, but time marches on and people learn how to make better guns. I'm sure people will get loosey goosey with Glocks in 30 years just like people get with the 1911 when some new gun tries to replace the Glock.
For me personally a 1911 is most useful for a hunting application, specifically chambered in 10mm. An application where it's low capacity is largely a non-issue but its superior accuracy is. Other then plinking I do not have much additional use for them. But if someone chooses to carry one for ccw and home defense purposes I won't laugh at them. So long as they put in the training and practice. To each thier own.
I have a 38 Super, GI model, with tritium sights for home defense use. Out of a desk or night stand drawer, doesn't matter how big the gun is, just how accurate and if the sights are good in low light levels. Plus I never have issues lining up 1911 sights in any condition. It is the pistol I am most accurate with, regardless of model, brand, or if it even mine.
Until a new pistol can match the 1911's trigger, the 1911 will not be obsolete. There are other guns that are more practical to carry, for example, but the 1911 remains the standard.
Wow what an excellent presentation! Thank you! It Was extremely enjoyable ,and I learned a lot ! What always gets me is we're so quickTo try to toss out something that's been around for such a long time and still works just as well as it did the day they turned it out. I think there is a lesson to learn from there.
One of my first carry guns when I was an LEO was a Colt Series 70 45ACP. Carried in a Bianchi forward rake/thumb snap holster. Had a gunsmith enlarge the ejection port, polish the feed ramp, and bevel the mag well. No, the 1911 is NOT obsolete. Nor is the 7mm Mauser, the 270Win. or 30-06, nor the 375H&H. Most of this new stuff is just made to sell so the gun makers can stay in business. Properly cared for, a good gun will last a lifetime +. On a 1911 I like the rounded hammer, and an arched mainspring housing. Had a Gold Cup with the flat housing/grip, but never cared for that. Just didn't feel right. I still use a thumbs down grip for my pistols & revolvers. Don't like the "modern" thumbs forward feel on the handgun. I do like a sort of modified "Weaver" stance, though. PS: You need a new battery in your clock or plug it in (ha,ha).
Old men cannot afford to get beat upon. We do not heal up like we are 20 years old. Besides being tough means continuing on daily with the general aches and pains of age.
Just received my CMP M1911A1 Field Grade last week. Has a 1943 Colt SN frame, Rand slide. It shot well last weekend at the range, and I still love these old pistols. My first handgun experience was in 1986 in Army OBC with one of these beater 1911’s. Nostalgic to own one now.
@@hrfunk I didn’t apply first go round because the guns were not the best quality and there’s no guarantee what you get. But after the panic buying during covid prices on good m1911a1s were ridiculous. So, I figured it was worth the headache. I really just wanted one to have in my collection. I spent all of my range time qualifying on the M9 when I was in the Army and Air Guard, But I always had nostalgia for that 1911. I never cared much for the Beretta.
To me it will never be obsolete. Is still functions pretty much the same as semi auto handguns today. If the 1911 is what you choose and it works for you, then go with it.
I used to carry a Colt 1911 YEARS ago. I was living in NC at the time, and at the time open carry was the only option. I carried it every day, everywhere. I will ALWAYS regret letting it go. I didn't resume carrying for several years, and NC had "finally" passed a concealed carry law. By that time there were many "new options" available, but I loved the 1911 model... while wanting those options. That's why I chose FNX 45 Tactical. It has the exact same grip angle AND feel of a 1991 (although larger), it's DA/SA, but can be carried "cocked & locked" like a 1911, BUT you don't need to because it IS DA/SA. Unlike the 1911, the slide can be racked while the safety is engaged. It's built from the ground up to be completely ambidextrous. It has a 1911 picatinny rail, but also is already cut out for the optic I added. It has a 15 round magazine, which FAR EXCEEDS any 1911. It also comes with a 5.3 inch threaded barrel and suppressor height night sights.
I've been to lots of training. I've carried all types of handguns, on duty and off. I conceal carry, and I would say I will reach for my 1911 as much as a Glock 19. Both are highly capable handguns.
Funny as I am watching this, carrying my Colt 1911 Engraved .38 Super, not remotely obsolete and the handgun by which all others are judged. Combat or personal defense today, it's still the one I would select, if I knew I'd be involved in a fight and could only have a handgun. Oh the bobtail grip 1911s feels and points better than even your standard 1911, maybe the most natural pointing auto loader I have ever used. Nice overview and review, good looking guns as well. My 1911's said hello to your pistols.
It seems that the single action platform has a lot going for it. Look at the other so called obsolete platforms out there. The double/single action CZ 75 series, The Beretta M9 and so on. In my opinion they're more appealing than the Glocks. Feel better in the hand, and don't have that mushy Glock trigger.
This is the most natural presentation I have seen you deliver. I would love to sit in on your lecture about 1911's, a subject that you are very familiar and comfortable.
Before you toss it, I'd give the weapon a nice home...with other friends of the same type to keep it company, looks like your. 38 Super one if my personal favorite defensive cartridges, should be a good one, looking forward to Wednesday.
I don’t believe that any of John Browning’s best designs will ever be truly obsolete. 1911’s just feel good in the hand. Nothing you can do to a Glock to make that happen. I also really like .38 Super and feel that it’s superior to .357 Sig because it ca handle 147 grain bullets. I don’t think the Sig’s short neck will allow that. If 19 hot .38 Supers aren’t enough firepower, you’re in a world of hurt.
In reference to your comment on the feel and how a Glock can't ever be made to feel like that. I concur 100%. Springfield XDs aren't too bad but still aren't 1911.
@@pcad2610 I had a Browning Hi-Power that felt pretty good with the plastic grip panels removed and a thin Hogue wraparound installed. I’m just not a big fan of the cartridge.
@@876mpr I'm not a huge fan of 9mm either but the ammo has improved significantly. I prefer pocket carry and can JUST do it with my Kimber ultra in 45. Sometimes though, there is a need for less weight and bulk so I resort to the Ruger. I had an XD mod 2 in 40 that likes the feel of but it was just too bulky for my preferred carry method. My daughter has that one now for her apartment
Just the excellent discussion of the topic as we have become accustomed to expect from you! A lot to think about and I learned a lot. Obsolete or not, that is for each of us to decide? A man with a 1911 is still well well armed. It would be foolish to laugh at him!
It’s 2021 and I still carry my Springfield 1911. Yes I own a few glocks and smith & Wesson 357’s as well. For me the 1911 is a one hitter quitter and a simple accurate format that was done right the 1st time in the 5 inch version. Other manufacturers have designed firearms right the 1st time as well. I have 2 1911’s and they both feed & eject everything I feed them, as in the military I use quality magazines, quality ammunition, stay away from unnecessary modifications and just clean it, use 16Lb chrome silicone standard strength recoil springs and use xtra power magazine springs if I can find them that’s it. The profile allows conceal carry in a powerful caliber.
No one's saying 45 is obsolete were saying a single action steel framed gun that you can't take apart with out tools is obsolete no one is arguing the luger or p38 are valid modern firearms
Thanks for your military service. Good video and descriptions. I've enjoyed collecting, customizing, and shooting pistols for many years, including 1911 .45ACP and 10mm pistols. New designs, technologies, and materials have created "better" pistols than 1911's in some ways. Polymer frames have made pistols lighter and easier to carry, but decreased stability and accuracy for some who are not young and strong, and don't train much. Steel frame pistols are heavier, but more stable and accurate. Polymer frame, striker-fired pistols became popular because of their lighter weight, simplicity of operation with no external safety, and reliability. The problem I've had with 1911 pistols is FTF - failure to feed reliably. My non-1911 Sig Sauer, Glock, Beretta, HK, Springfield, and Tanfoglio pistols don't have FTF problems. My gunsmith improved my 1911 pistols with new parts, springs, and custom work. 1911 pistols can be finicky unless you make these improvements. Also, learn what brands and types of ammo feed smoothly in each of your 1911 pistols. Having an occasional FTF problem at the range is not a problem, but having a FTF problem when using your 1911 pistol in self-defense is a big problem. I don't carry a 1911 pistol anymore. I carry one of my striker-fired pistols for reliability and capacity.
Your opening statements about the Amish reminded me of this old Groaner; Q. What goes clip clop clip clop clip clop ..bang! clip clop clip clop ? A. An Amish drive by shooting. ( shared with no disrespect for the fine Amish people.) p.s. -An excellent presentation Sir !
I was in a Marine Detachment as a Supply Man (3043)/Armorer on the USS Independence, we still had Korean War era 782 gear and this was between 1979-1982. That’s almost 50 years later. My first order was to bring the detachment up to date. Our whole TOE was a shambles. My first job was to square it away before deployment, which I did. My point is, there is no doubt there’s still 1911s out there in small units that don’t have a dedicated supply man that knows what they’re doing. Great channel! I like your perspective.
Obsolete?! Perhaps in someone’s view, but not in mine. As a kid I was exposed to long guns from around 7 or 8 years old but not handguns. The first handgun I was exposed to was the M1911A1 in Uncle Sammys Army. I fell in love with it and nothing was ever able to replace it. Many handguns later down the road it is still the pinnacle to compare all others to. Sure technology, time, and even perhaps mission has evolved and changed not just in the Military but as an LOE. But there was a time when we were taught that the first round down range was the one that counted, not multiple follow through spray and pray. Young guns of course it’s obsolete! They don’t like single action, thumb safety, and even grip safety but they all served a purpose. I digress as everyone has already beat the proverbial dead horse in the head, however if I had one go to gun I had to pick it would be the M1911 over them all! Do I carry one, no, why because not east to conceal and carry unless shoulder harnesses. The M1911 will be like the energizer bunny in that it takes a licking but keeps on ticking when other will have failed and or have issue! Good video HR! And as always God Bless you my friend.
Owned, carried and shot a 1911, for over forty plus years. Not obsolete to anyone, except maybe the under fifty crowd, that I affectionately call the "Polymer" generation. The 1911, is still being used and carried, by the Texas Rangers, who want to carry one. Served tithe Texas Rangers well for decades.
I absolutely love my 1911’s. My first handgun was a Colt MkIV Series 70 in 45 ACP. I own a few 1911’s and I trust my life with them. Thank you for such a great and informative video!!
I am an older person and I prefer no safety on my pistols. My military handguns were .38 revolvers but I wished we had the 1911's at the time. With that said, if I were to have to choose, I prefer a grip/tang safety over a thumb safety. Also, I am not a Glock fan or even a polymer fan, but those Glock's are insanely reliable, especially considering how I remember being taught that autoloaders in general could jam from even a dust ball being in the pistol, lol. Of course, many early autoloaders did jam quite easily but these Glocks and a few other similar pistols just seem to run forever. If I was younger and just staring out with firearms today, I might have no interest in 1911's and prefer the modern pistols and their higher capacity and lighter weight. Fortunately, I'm (almost) old and appreciate the great 1911 and it's phenomenal history. Thanks for the video, well done.
Well experienced, reflected on, and said. Bottom line - 1911 pistols have FTF (failure to feed) problems unless a gunsmith has installed special parts and done custom work on them, and they hold only 7-10 rounds. Modern striker-fired pistols are reliable and hold 9-30 rounds, depending on the mag size.
@@webviking You're right, there are a lot of advantages to modern pistols. Other than collectors and a handful of others, we may see the 1911 become an afterthought within this generation.
Great insight HR. Perhaps a better term other than ebsolete, would be dated. Having two examples myself, one full size and one officer's, I enjoy working both over at the range. If the pistol is enjoyable to shoot and run through it's paces it's never obsolete. You've proven that with your many videos using firearms with roots much deeper than the 1911 platorm which can still be tasked for defensive or hunting purposes. Is it dated, compared to newer designs, of course. Still serving viably, after 110 years in many places around the world.
perhaps the 1911 should come with the mantra "requires a responsible owner who understands the importance of acquiring a satisfactory skill set through training and practice" ... although that's a lot to get on the side of the box! 😂
I carried a 1911 for most of my 37+ years in law enforcement and never had any issues. I still like my revolvers too because that is what. We carried when I started. Even though I recently sold four of my 1911's, I still have a few in the stable. God video Mr. funk. Thank you.
Great video, HR, and kudos on your Glock humor. I absolutely agree with your overall conclusion re the 1911A1 platform. In fact, I’d use the term “obsolescent” instead of “obsolete,” since (according to Webster’s) obsolete’s primary definition is: “no longer in use or no longer useful,” which clearly is false. Like you, I believe the probability of requiring more than even five rounds in a civilian defensive encoder is minuscule. As LtCol Jeff Cooper (perhaps modern defensive shooting’s primary guru and the founder of GunSite) said: “And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce's answer was, "Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot." While it is clear that modern projectile deigns have (given velocities that are not too fast (over-expansion) and not too slow (inadequate expansion) ideally allow the major handgun calibers to expand to near-0.7 of an inch and to penetrate beyond the FBI’s 12 inch minimum, I still like the idea of a .45 bullet in the event expansion doesn’t occur (or, especially, if one is in a venue where hollow points are illegals). Well, with all this said, I am absolutely NOT suggesting that .45 ACP is only viable round or that the 1911A1 platform is currently ideal autoloader design. However, neither are these two major subsystems even slightly “obsolete.” They’ve done their jobs VERY well for over a century, and that alone proves our point.
The modern 2011 pistols solve the weight and capacity issues of the 1911 design. I just wish they were more affordable. If Rock Island would make a 2011 with a polymer grip frame they would sell quickly.
Used 1911 as a carry weapon on a later assignment (worked with an ARVN Intelligence Sargeant, besides other duties as a Team Leader), in a village near Danang which had VC sympathizers. Also, used it for my off duty transactions at night in business settings as the only G.I. selling diamonds in a dark store surrounded by some guys in a very risky area of Saigon later on. My initial tour was as a 20 mm gunner on the rivers near Cambodia. I carry the .45 1911 out in the BLM lands sometimes. But I have a 220 Sig Sauer .45 in the master bedroom which I like for its performance and operational feel. I am not an expert firearms person, so your videos are very informative and enjoyable to watch. Thanks for the hard work.
1911 Obsolete never, I think It`s slim, good looking and tough the only reason people talk of obsolete on something is the eternal search for something that looks different. The only way to improve on a 1911 is to improve the quality of the materials used in it. Just my opinion. Also as said if you can pack a full size pistol witch this one does hide easily you got room for an extra mag or two.
Funny you mentioned the double stack versions , I have a couple older models that most people forget about ( Kimber polymer custom and Wilson combat Kz45 ) just slightly bigger in the grip Hr . Depending upon magazines 10-14 round count of 45 acp . Reliable and accurate as any 1911 should be , both pistols where custom built guns one at a time on a single gunsmiths bench . K
@@hrfunk Probably very, for a lower cost option Rock Island makes a double stack railed or non railed version in 9mm, 10mm and I think 45. They run 700-900
I carry a Commander size 1911 in 9mm with a 10rd mag. 1911s i believe can be just as reliable as a polymer handgun if you take care of it. I have never felt under powered with my 1911. I fell confident with shot placement and after all it is the Heros handgun
Obsolete? No way, but as you say, you need to train on this platform to be effective on the draw. I use my Walther/Colt 1911-22 Rail Gun to train cheaply as it is the same size and weight as the Government Model. I am a Glock guy (horrors!) because they have shot well for me for over 30 years, but I do appreciate the old classics too.
If correct I believe a famous Texas Ranger always kept his grip safety taped or leather tied down around grip. Love the 1911 , Ruger CMD was my 1st , have 3 now😁
There are photos of the old time Texas Rangers carrying 1911's with a leather thong around the grip safety...they soaked the thong in water & then tied it & as it dried, it shrank & deactivated the grip safety, exactly as we would use a zip tie today...some even carried their 1911 on half cock...man, those were some salty ole boys ! ! !
The only design element I see that would be considered obsolete would be the magazine capacity. Several years ago Kimber sold a pistol with a polymer double stack mag. with a14 round capacity. It didn't sell well, but I still have mine and really like it. I don't remember if the mags were proprietary or not but I've had no problems with them. At the time the Kimber was around $600, a great price when standard models were a lot more. If i remember correctly the frames were made in Israel by Bul. Thanks for the excellent video, keep up the good work.
This is why I roll my eyes at people who say revolvers are obsolete. They shoot bullets, they're not obsolete. Shoot I can nail a head shot at 60 yards with my Single Action Army and I carry that for SD as well as a .38 Snubby. Definitely don't feel under gunned with either on hand.
God help me If I am relegated to a 58 Navy Colt for self defense! Better than nothing though I Pray the Huge Cloud of smoke shall laughingly expose or conceal my position! although it is the hits that count! Good luck!
@@renegade2556 A 58 Navy isn't a Colt Single Action Army, however, so no smoke to obscure yourself with, not that it would be needed, the Single Action Army is plenty accurate enough to nail a human head at 60 yards.
@@rojack79er They are both Black powder rounds and despite your denial of the voluminous smoke produced at the report and the possible result : my experience at loading and firing and hitting a human(head) sized target at any range with my 58 Navy Colt makes your (head sized Target) a bit bigger than mine and quite an easier target to hit! It is always your personal skill and familiarity with loading and firing your weapon and your own experience rather than the weapon itself! Don't think you are Rambo because you sport a fearsome new weapon! The old 58 Navy Colt is just as lethal in the right hands!
@@renegade2556 the modern day Colt Single Action Army doesn't use black powder rounds. It uses smokeless powder, like everything else we have, and to add to it it's an actual Colt 1873 45 Long Colt. Not some random 58 black powder pistol. Also I've been handling guns ever since I was ten years old, not that mine or your experience really matters all that much but hey thanks for showing how big your ego must be if you think that me correcting you on my own gun means I have a big head.
Mr. hrfunk , my wife keeps asking me why I can’t stop sobbing, I don’t want to tell her what I’m looking at , she’ll take away my iPad. With all due respect, have you lost your mind? Your nice wife needs to give you a stern talking to. We need to talk.
@Paul Renner Tell your wife not to get on you too hard. HR is just funnin’. We’ve been here before, where he started to say questionable things about The idol that JMB made. He’s gonna nail down that part when he says: “the 1911 ain’t for everyone but I still worship at that altar!” Lol
HR like you I carried a 1911 while I was in the US Navy and I loved it, so much I always shot expert. To this day I have two Combat Commanders in 45 ACP & Colt Super 38 Auto. Which I bought back in the late 1980’s. Thank you for bringing our old friend out.
I'm a veteran 🎗, 4yr 1990s era. I wore a 1911a1 for 12mo. USFK. Was it well made? Durable? No. Was the .45acp a potent round for defense or military use? Yes but newer designs like the S&W 4506 or the Glock 21, Ruger P90 had a bigger hold on 🇺🇸 buyers. 1000s bought 1911s because of JMB & the legend of the design.
@@DavidLLambertmobile Spent time in the Army and Army reserve as both an MP and a marine engineer. In both jobs, I carried a 1911 and sent 1000s of rounds down range. Can't remember any failure to feed issues, never had a misfire, and the rare miss was on me. The M9 on the other hand, always found the mag release to be a bit awkward, causing slow reloads when qualifying. The 1911 was faster to reload, and if you wacked the mag in hard enough, it cycled into battery without additional actions, lol....
When I was younger I asked my dad " What's so great about a 45" ? He was a tank Commander with the 12th Armoured Division. He looked at me and said " It makes a bigger hole"! He cast bullets in the kitchen 262grains . You can always tell a Norwegian but you cant tell him much. Great video as always
From my perspective - which ever weapon you will actually carry, and shoot well, is the best weapon for you. Someone can tell you "The best gun ever is XYZ", and they could be right, but if it's a gun your not comfortable with, can't fire comfortably, or accurately - whether it's technically the best is irrelevant. For me, I tend to like proven weapons, with history behind it. I like the 1911 because it's an iconic weapon, and has a cool factor to it that I enjoy. I like the history behind it. There are lots of cool handguns, but for me, the 1911 will always have a special place to me. I remember being a little kid, and seeing the 1911 in movies, thinking it was so cool. I still feel that, so to me, whether or not someone says it's obsolete really doesn't matter to me. I hope whatever you shoot, makes you happy, for me, the 1911 is that gun.
When my agency adopted the Glock I was more than glad to have it. I’d run out of ammo in a 1974 gunfight w/armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special and had a real appreciation for its enhanced ammo capacity. In retirement a J Frame, or LCP, is more than adequate for my needs. My only experience w/a 1911 dates back to Viet Nam in 1966, but haven’t handled one since.
They worked then and they still work today. Both my granddad and my dad carried them in the Marines and they both came home. They must have worked. As always, Semper Fidelis HR and great video
I was trained on the 1911 in the USMC. I am one that the gun was made for. To this day I find it fits my hand right and I shoot it well, like the old Gunny is behind me waiting to jump in my backside with both feet if I screw up. It is definitely a thumb down proposition for best operation and safety with the primary hand. I carry one because I have one and I love it. I also carry an extra mag. Also, folks that think a 45ACP cartridge is a wimp, just study momentum, heavy bullets, and some ballistics data.
His Holliness, John Moses Browning, was an amazing gunsmith. The 1911, 1935 Hi Power and M-2 Browning Machine Gun are just a few of the incredible feats of engineering that emerged from His unyielding intellect. And it all began with a young man who built a small bicycle repair shop and had a design for a gun that old man Winchester didn't like. He ended up in Belgium working with Fabric Nationial (F.N.- as in the makers of the P-90). Browning's history is full of amazing stories and his tools helped us to fight wars for over 100 years. That's quite a legacy!
Such a nice show,I was brought up around 1911's and 50 years later I still have one within easy reach at all times, mine is very accurate and reliable,yes I have other pistols and I like all of them I simply prefer my 1911
There will never be a trigger on a more modern firearm, especially a striker fired gun, that matches the single action 1911. I have an Auto Ordnance 1911A1 WWII reproduction that has a superb trigger compared to all the other semi-autos I have. It is only bested by the single action on my S&W 629 Classic, which I use for hunting. Another point to consider, in talking about self-defense, is that almost all those situations are resolved in less than 8 rounds.
I have been in LE 12 years. I started with a revolver, and then went to a CZ75 and finally a 1911. I just traded the 1911 for a Sig P-210 Target. So I guess the 1911 is obsolete.........
I agree with you 60%. Obsolete for today's Military and Police - probably. Obsolete to many civilian's defending their homes, lives and businesses - I don't think I'd use the word obsolete. While the 1911 is big and heavy - it also helps tame the recoil of the 45acp which most will agree is a good round for SD/HD. While the 1911 will only hold 8+1 in most configurations and not really high capacity in today's respect, 9 rounds of 45 acp will almost always get the job done. While I do not carry one any more because of its size and weight, I would not hesitate to use one in a HD situation. Again, I do agree that as far as Military and LEOs are concerned = yes it's not the best platform anymore.
I carried the 1911 while I was in the Army and own one. I used to own a Ruger 9mm with a 15 shot mag, It was a good gun but it was too bulky for me. I like the 1911 because it isn't bulky and it fits well in my hand. also, I train with it offhand, both left and right, and hit the target with no problems. I don't worry about magazine capacity because according to the FBI most shootings are at around three yards and three rounds in about three seconds. So the seven to eight rounds are plenty for your typical gunfight. and if you need more rounds you can still reload within a second.
My definition of obsolete: can’t find a hassle free way to obtain ammo (needle guns), outright dangerous/unpredictable design (nambu pistol) and can’t find factory new replacement parts or aftermarket parts accessories and must have gunsmith make parts. IMO of course.
I know an MP in the Army who served in Iraq in the mid 2000's. His job was to travel from the FOB into Bagdad pick up prisoners and escort them back to the FOB. About a mile when his convoy would leave the base the enemy would open up on the convoy. They would get shot at all the way into the city, and all the way back. His sidearm of choice was the 1911 .45 acp and he used it all the time on those convoys. He wore out the first one, and purchased one when he came back on leave and returned with it for use. He had permission to do so. He wore that one out as well. The 1911 brought him home in 2009. He is safe and sound.
Before forming the lynch-mob, watch the video on Wednesday morning!
Can’t fool me, Bro. I already know what side of this issue you come down on!
I respect you for sticking to your guns (pun intended) too. Let me ask you a couple of questions:
In your time as a Marine, did you ever notice anyone that had a hard time shooting a 1911 well? Were there WM’s in the MPs when you were in? When you were a LEO Marksmanship Instructor did you ever suggest someone stop using their department issue “double stack marvel” and go to a 1911? One more and I’ll quit: When you were Chief, what was your primary sidearm and did anyone carry one, mainly, under your watch?
Ha, ha! Keep in mind the question is whether the 1911 is “obsolete”. If the question was: “Is the 1911 right for everyone?” Then the answer would be a resounding “No.”
@@hrfunk Right, not obsolete just relegated to nostalgia….
@@hrfunk , so, in the video, make sure you tell us who by using one would be benefited most…..
I just sharpened my pitch fork though.
When you spoke the words “ Is the 1911 obsolete,” I felt a disturbance in the Force as though millions of voices suddenly cried out in horror and astonishment... and then were no more. The Sun moved backwards in the sky and the earth trembled. Other than that, an interesting conversation!😄
The 1911 is an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
@@hrfunk 😂😂😂
Nothing elegant about the frozen trenches or the jungle mud.
@@hrfunk I'd still run one. Yeah, there's better options. But I love the way they feel to shoot.
And the sun came up in the morning 🌄👌...
Long live the 1911!👍
Good video!
Ahhh the legend himself 🤩
Thanks Hickok.
Hey Hickok45 👋
What's up Hickock?How is John doing?
I carried a 1911 for years, since it was my first semiauto pistol. It's slim--thus easier to conceal--and has a grip geometry that I don't have to overcome. I now have other handguns, but I'm not a police officer, and I'm not heading to war, so eight rounds of .45 ACP--plus a spare magazine or two--is going to get me through just about anything I'd be able to solve with a handgun.
Seeing as the goal of a civilian is to do what is necessary to disengage, or encourage bad actors to depart your humble abode, lower capacity should not be an issue. Being accurate with every shot is. Cops and military personnel have to stand and fight, our job is to protect our loved ones, and if out in public, clear the area safely. And for home defense, concealability is not really a factor, is it? Nor is having extra magazines handy.
@@timclaus8313 Extra magazines are just in case--in case the rounds already in the pistol aren't enough or in case the magazine currents there fails to function.
And not all defensive gun uses take place in one's home.
@@gregcampwriter Certainly was not disagreeing with your comment, just pointing out that packability is not really of prime importance in home defense. If a trusty 1911 is the gun someone can pick up cold and center punch any target at any time, it is the right gun for the job. Concealing is a bit different than ready for use at home.
@@timclaus8313 Well, the counter argument ,at least in the law enforcement agency from which I retired, think multiple assailants even in home invasions. From experience gun fights can get out of hand quickly with lots of bullets fired and extra ammunition could be a benefit even for a civilian.
@@Lee-rq1ek For home defense, as long as you can shoot it well, really doesn't matter how large the gun is. If you are happy with a double stack 10mm, go for it. For carry, everyone has to make the assessment for themselves for size, capacity, concealability on their own body type and preferred clothing. And I would never discourage carry spare mags or stripper clips for revolvers.
At times I will carry a pistol or a revolver, like them both. Plus anyone that carries needs to spend as much time in learning threat assessment as time spent on the range. For that matter, the world would be a better place if everyone practiced more situational awareness.
To paraphrase WHO_TEE_WHO, if it can still hurl boulats, it ain't obsolete. My HS2000 also has a grip safety, and it also goes bang when I pull the trigger.
The HS2000 is what the guy who bought the rights to Springfield Armory chose to import and rebrand as the original XD series pistols. He wanted to get into the polymer framed pistol market and chose the HS2000 to do it with and he ordered a bunch of them and put XD all over it. It amazes me how many XD "super fan boys" don't know anything about that.
@@jonathanhudson4623 mine is stamped "IM METAL" (the old manufacturer name) on one side of the slide, and "INTRAC KNOX TN" on the other. Don't know if that predates Springfield, but I can't complain. Different from a Glock.
Addressing the very first question you pose in the video: obsolescence only comes when the purpose the tool was designed for no longer exists. One might think that in this age of angle grinders and Dremel tools, hand files would be obsolete... but I have a whole drawer full of them and use them almost daily for work too quick and simple to bother setting up those "modern" tools. Likewise, using a brace and bit to drill holes might also be thought obsolete with today's profusion of cordless power drills, but I have TWO braces and a full set of bits for drilling larger holes or drilling slower and with greater care to avoid splintering on the exit side than those power tools are capable. Thus, I propose that technically, NO defensive firearm is ever truly obsolete.
Do I (or you) actually NEED anything else? Col. Jeff Cooper summed it up best: "Beware the man with only one gun. He probably knows how to shoot it."
@Dale Kidd is right on the money.
@@robertrenstrom4668 how do you know that
@@carolyngeorge244 Part of my judgement is based upon 22 years in law enforcement, 28 years military service (four of which were as a Hospital Corpsman assigned to the 1st and 3rd Marine Divisions and 3rd Marine Air Wing.) and countless hours in E.R.'s in Los Angeles hospitals either taking shooting victims/suspects in for treatment or accompanying other officers/detectives on these investigations. The rest is based upon good reasoning skills bolstered by this experience. I hope this clarifies my stand.
@@robertrenstrom4668 hmmmmm interesting
Yeah but you don't trust your life to a woodworking tool, you should choose a weapon that gives you every possible advantage, 1911s are cool and many are works of art and peices of history but its ok to enjoy them for just that and leave the life and death moments to something more effective
Great discussion. I carry a modern striker-fired pistol, but any weapon is just as effective as it was the day it left the factory. Full disclosure: my backup or light clothing pocket carry is an FN Herstal Browning 1908 Vest Pocket. John Moses Browning was a genius. Even after we transition to phasers or whatever, his designs will still be in widespread use.
After reviewing 44 1911s in my 22-part Great Affordable 1911 Series, each gun having unique characteristics, I can answer the caption question with a resounding NO, NEVER! But I'll wait for the premiere for the Chief's thoughts.
I see 3 drawbacks to the 1911. Cost, weight and magazine capacity. Cost-wise, you will pay at least $800 for a quality 1911. Start adding an aluminum frame, a rail and some better sights, and you can easily spend $1500+.
As far as weight goes, an aluminum frame compact 1911 comes in at around 25oz unloaded. Might find a few with polymer frames but they aren't common. Compared to a Glock, Sig P365, Hellcat or other popular carry pistols, that weight is significant. But not difficult to manage by any means. Get the right holster and its nearly unnoticeable.
Then there is magazine capacity. If you can't handle a self defense situation with 7-8 rounds then you need to work on marksmanship.
I own 5 Colt 1911s of varying barrel lengths and have fired thousands of rounds thru them. The only issue I've run into with any of them are double feeds with the factory Colt magazines. This is an issue easily fixed by WC or CM mags. And 2 had an overly stiff thumb safety that required a trip back to Colt to fix. So I have no idea where this myth of 1911s being unreliable comes from. Nearly every issue I've ever heard of is traced back to magazines or the extractor.
I've yet to find another handgun that feels more comfortable in my hands, or shoots easier or more accurately with a large caliber round. And the .45 ACP round is arguably one of, if not the best self defense rounds out there. So for me, a somewhat more expensive heavier gun with a smaller magazine capacity is a worthwhile trade off compared to the other available options. Shoot what you are good and comfortable with, whether it's a Glock, revolver or a 1911.
@@brianthreet5600 1911s cover a pretty broad range in price. My RIA Gov't model 38 Super was $450, never has misfires, and the only failure to feed was a round not loaded properly at the top of the magazine, something that can happen to any magazine fed weapon, handgun or rifle. It will eat anything, factory or handload, and is pretty darn accurate at 30+ yards. Even with tritium sights and some very nice Altamont rosewood grip panels, I still have about $575 in it.
The trigger is so smooth that accuracy is much better than the striker fired weapons, in my experience.
In most cases I would agree with you.
Your everyday driver might be a Honda Civic; but you probably have a classic muscle car in the garage. Which one do you love? Yeah, that's what I thought!
Yep, I drive my Jeep everyday, but my 1980 Corvette is something special (and I carry a 1911 when I drive it!).
Great analogy.
@@hrfunk Now that, I can respect!
Another fine video on the great 1911. Here on the farm on my pistol range, when family and friends come to shoot, I set up a table and lay out my 1911’s and they lay out their modern plastic guns and everyone picks up my 1911’s , shoots them usually very well and the first thing they say is they love it. Second thing they ask how much it costs, and the third thing they ask if they can buy it off me as their new plastic guns sit on the table. Long live the 1911.
I have to admire your well thought out and organized presentations. Good presentations require a lot f hard work. I suspect that there are a great many “obsolete men” out there.
Thank you!
I’m from Ohio too !I’m 22 and my ccw is a 1911 because of this man and his videos
Thank you!
Down here in Texas, you might be surprised at how many 1911s you see in Law Enforcement holsters (young and old officers). I believe this goes back to the Texas Rangers in the early 20th century that found favor with it and many still carry it today. Culturally, it trickles down to Sheriff deputies, Houston Police and small town police.
Even in departments where more contemporary handguns are mandated (HPD), a lot of older officers are grandfathered in and still choose the 1911.
There is a reason it still rivals modern pistols and just about ever major and minor gun manufacturer makes it and/or different versions and modifications of it. It’s just that good, even though it’s different.
A few cops in Orlando FL area use 1911s. 👮🏻♂️ I spoke to a officer who said SWAT and any sworn officer who can qualify with a SAO 1911 can use one on duty. Orlando PD has used SIG P226Rs, P229Rs for 12 years or so. Orange County sheriffs use Glocks; gen 4, 5 17, 21, 22, 23, 43, 19 models.
The Geneva County AL Sheriff's Department has multiple officers that carry the 1911, although more modern pistols are available.
If I ever had to choose my last 2 firearms, the Colt 1911A1 would be one and the Colt 1873 SAA would be the other. Love them to pieces.
Probably replace the 1873 with a Blackhawk or SBH, but yeah, good choices.
Obsolete? Not until butter smooth\short 3lb trigger pulls and the perfect grip\pointing angle becomes obsolete. And with a compact aluminum 2011, "low cap" and "heavy weight" are no longer legit complaints
I was particularly taken by the discussion of the "natural point" feature of the 1911 and the Hi=Power. True in both cases. They just lines the sights up so easily.
And you can get an RIA 1911 Ultra in 10mm with a 15 rd capacity. If 15 rounds of 10mm is not enough, you are deep in the schnitzel.....
Thanks for the thoughtful video. As someone who lives in a state that restricts magazine capacity to 10 rounds, a 9mm 1911 gives up nothing in terms of capacity to more modern pistols that lack its outstanding ergonomics and trigger - making the 1911 an even more appealing choice.
Great video and to still be having a discussion about a 1911 110 years later proves the relevancy of one of the greatest design ever produced and copied and still be carried by so many
A very interesting video. I felt the same way when I was still carrying a .38 Special revolver as my EDC. I've sold out since then, but my gun buddies were always pressuring me to switch to something more modern. I always fell back on the general point that, with regard to citizen-involved-shootings at least, in the last 100 or so years, humanity hasn't become more crab-like. People do not seem to be developing exoskeletons, and body armor is not THAT common among criminals, at least not yet. Therefore, the .45 ACP and .38 Special are every bit as effective now as they were back then. None of my gun buddies ever volunteered to allow me to test just how "ineffective" those calibers really are by stepping in front of the muzzle. As for the 1911 platform, an Amish buggy is still several standard deviations more effective and desirable than walking, especially during winter. As for revolvers, how can a design which almost never fails to function under most circumstances ever truly be obsolete? No one gun design is ever going to appeal to all of our human-alas-all-too-human temperaments equally. Another point I always make is that; The gun you prefer, for whatever reason, is the one you're gonna carry, and is the one you're gonna have on hand if / when you really need it. At least as long as there are people who prefer the 1911, it's not obsolete. Old fashioned, does not mean ineffective.
I agree. Thanks for watching!
1911 is combat proven over multiple wars. It works. Want high cap? Get a double stack version and call it a day...
Absolutely, I carry a Paraordnace p14
@@arlieaustin448 I have one also .soft shooter . Everyone that sees it wants to buy it. Just bought extra mags . Sold my Kimber and the colt is next.
The Mauser and the m1 garand are proven, but time marches on and people learn how to make better guns. I'm sure people will get loosey goosey with Glocks in 30 years just like people get with the 1911 when some new gun tries to replace the Glock.
@@8166PC1 Glocks are utilitarian. 1911 pistols are special.
Where can you find a 1911 double stack???
Just shot a USPSA match with my 1911. 170 rounds, in the sand, no malfunctions. I'd trust my life to mine. Thanks for the video.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
For me personally a 1911 is most useful for a hunting application, specifically chambered in 10mm. An application where it's low capacity is largely a non-issue but its superior accuracy is. Other then plinking I do not have much additional use for them.
But if someone chooses to carry one for ccw and home defense purposes I won't laugh at them. So long as they put in the training and practice. To each thier own.
I have a 38 Super, GI model, with tritium sights for home defense use. Out of a desk or night stand drawer, doesn't matter how big the gun is, just how accurate and if the sights are good in low light levels. Plus I never have issues lining up 1911 sights in any condition. It is the pistol I am most accurate with, regardless of model, brand, or if it even mine.
Until a new pistol can match the 1911's trigger, the 1911 will not be obsolete. There are other guns that are more practical to carry, for example, but the 1911 remains the standard.
Bless you, thank you for your service and long live the 1911!
"Forgive me for having a Glock in the same room with my 1911's" LOL!!
Wow what an excellent presentation! Thank you! It Was extremely enjoyable ,and I learned a lot ! What always gets me is we're so quickTo try to toss out something that's been around for such a long time and still works just as well as it did the day they turned it out. I think there is a lesson to learn from there.
I agree. Thanks for watching Mike!
One of my first carry guns when I was an LEO was a Colt Series 70 45ACP. Carried in a Bianchi forward rake/thumb snap holster. Had a gunsmith enlarge the ejection port, polish the feed ramp, and bevel the mag well.
No, the 1911 is NOT obsolete. Nor is the 7mm Mauser, the 270Win. or 30-06, nor the 375H&H. Most of this new stuff is just made to sell so the gun makers can stay in business. Properly cared for, a good gun will last a lifetime +.
On a 1911 I like the rounded hammer, and an arched mainspring housing. Had a Gold Cup with the flat housing/grip, but never cared for that. Just didn't feel right.
I still use a thumbs down grip for my pistols & revolvers. Don't like the "modern" thumbs forward feel on the handgun. I do like a sort of modified "Weaver" stance, though.
PS: You need a new battery in your clock or plug it in (ha,ha).
Ha! I actually took the battery out of the clock. I thought the constant tic, tock, tic, tock was distracting.
@@hrfunk Yes, the passing of time can be distracting.
Never mess with an old man with an old gun…..he’ll just shoot you
True!😎 I am reminded of the Robert Thomas story;
Report: 93-year-old man who allegedly shot apartment manager over leaky apartment
Beware of the man with 1 gun, he probably knows how to use it real well(even more so if the person is old and so is their gun) 😉
Old men cannot afford to get beat upon. We do not heal up like we are 20 years old. Besides being tough means continuing on daily with the general aches and pains of age.
Just received my CMP M1911A1 Field Grade last week. Has a 1943 Colt SN frame, Rand slide. It shot well last weekend at the range, and I still love these old pistols. My first handgun experience was in 1986 in Army OBC with one of these beater 1911’s. Nostalgic to own one now.
I would love to have one of those CMP pistols. I wish the process to get one was less of a hassle.
@@hrfunk I didn’t apply first go round because the guns were not the best quality and there’s no guarantee what you get. But after the panic buying during covid prices on good m1911a1s were ridiculous. So, I figured it was worth the headache. I really just wanted one to have in my collection. I spent all of my range time qualifying on the M9 when I was in the Army and Air Guard, But I always had nostalgia for that 1911. I never cared much for the Beretta.
To me it will never be obsolete. Is still functions pretty much the same as semi auto handguns today. If the 1911 is what you choose and it works for you, then go with it.
If nothing else, the 1911 has one of the best frame safeties ever designed. Very easy to swipe off without shifting one's grip around.
I used to carry a Colt 1911 YEARS ago. I was living in NC at the time, and at the time open carry was the only option.
I carried it every day, everywhere. I will ALWAYS regret letting it go.
I didn't resume carrying for several years, and NC had "finally" passed a concealed carry law.
By that time there were many "new options" available, but I loved the 1911 model... while wanting those options.
That's why I chose FNX 45 Tactical.
It has the exact same grip angle AND feel of a 1991 (although larger), it's DA/SA, but can be carried "cocked & locked" like a 1911, BUT you don't need to because it IS DA/SA. Unlike the 1911, the slide can be racked while the safety is engaged.
It's built from the ground up to be completely ambidextrous. It has a 1911 picatinny rail, but also is already cut out for the optic I added.
It has a 15 round magazine, which FAR EXCEEDS any 1911.
It also comes with a 5.3 inch threaded barrel and suppressor height night sights.
I've been to lots of training. I've carried all types of handguns, on duty and off. I conceal carry, and I would say I will reach for my 1911 as much as a Glock 19. Both are highly capable handguns.
Personally I love the 1911. I've never been able to own one yet but I love shooting them and it's what I shoot better than any other pistol.
Funny as I am watching this, carrying my Colt 1911 Engraved .38 Super, not remotely obsolete and the handgun by which all others are judged. Combat or personal defense today, it's still the one I would select, if I knew I'd be involved in a fight and could only have a handgun. Oh the bobtail grip 1911s feels and points better than even your standard 1911, maybe the most natural pointing auto loader I have ever used. Nice overview and review, good looking guns as well. My 1911's said hello to your pistols.
Mine say hello back. Thanks for watching Sergeant Major!
A 1911 in the hand just feels right. What more is there to say.
What did you Spill Top?Hah!.380 is nice .45 is better says I, But the Lieutenant is still looking for the keys to the jeep!
It seems that the single action platform has a lot going for it. Look at the other so called obsolete platforms out there. The double/single action CZ 75 series, The Beretta M9 and so on. In my opinion they're more appealing than the Glocks. Feel better in the hand, and don't have that mushy Glock trigger.
Hey how are you doing ?
How can it be obsolete if it can still fulfill its basic design function (eg protecting the life of its end user effectively)?
To me, obsolete means you load it up and it no longer goes boom. If it still goes boom, it’s not obsolete.
This is the most natural presentation I have seen you deliver. I would love to sit in on your lecture about 1911's, a subject that you are very familiar and comfortable.
Thanks Bradley. Most of my lecturing these days shows up here on YT. Thanks for watching!
Before you toss it, I'd give the weapon a nice home...with other friends of the same type to keep it company, looks like your. 38 Super one if my personal favorite defensive cartridges, should be a good one, looking forward to Wednesday.
Hope you like it!
I hope everyone recognized the glock comment as humor. Would love to believe the viewers of this channel are above trolling.
The Glock is so simple even a three year old cave kid could shoot it 😁
I hate Glocks... but I’m not stupid... Never leave home without one
Thanks! But don’t worry about the regular viewers. They will get the joke.
I don’t believe that any of John Browning’s best designs will ever be truly obsolete.
1911’s just feel good in the hand. Nothing you can do to a Glock to make that happen.
I also really like .38 Super and feel that it’s superior to .357 Sig because it ca handle 147 grain bullets. I don’t think the Sig’s short neck will allow that. If 19 hot .38 Supers aren’t enough firepower, you’re in a world of hurt.
I agree!
In reference to your comment on the feel and how a Glock can't ever be made to feel like that. I concur 100%. Springfield XDs aren't too bad but still aren't 1911.
@@pcad2610 I had a Browning Hi-Power that felt pretty good with the plastic grip panels removed and a thin Hogue wraparound installed. I’m just not a big fan of the cartridge.
@@876mpr I'm not a huge fan of 9mm either but the ammo has improved significantly. I prefer pocket carry and can JUST do it with my Kimber ultra in 45. Sometimes though, there is a need for less weight and bulk so I resort to the Ruger. I had an XD mod 2 in 40 that likes the feel of but it was just too bulky for my preferred carry method. My daughter has that one now for her apartment
I loved my 1911 in .38 Super. A good match!
Just the excellent discussion of the topic as we have become accustomed to expect from you! A lot to think about and I learned a lot. Obsolete or not, that is for each of us to decide? A man with a 1911 is still well well armed. It would be foolish to laugh at him!
It would indeed. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.
It’s 2021 and I still carry my Springfield 1911. Yes I own a few glocks and smith & Wesson 357’s as well. For me the 1911 is a one hitter quitter and a simple accurate format that was done right the 1st time in the 5 inch version. Other manufacturers have designed firearms right the 1st time as well.
I have 2 1911’s and they both feed & eject everything I feed them, as in the military I use quality magazines, quality ammunition, stay away from unnecessary modifications and just clean it, use 16Lb chrome silicone standard strength recoil springs and use xtra power magazine springs if I can find them that’s it. The profile allows conceal carry in a powerful caliber.
FYI, the 9mm Luger actually pre-dates the 230 Gr 45 ACP round. It may be old, but it’s still good!
No one's saying 45 is obsolete were saying a single action steel framed gun that you can't take apart with out tools is obsolete no one is arguing the luger or p38 are valid modern firearms
Just as an FYI, mil-spec 1911’s can be disassembled (field stripped) without tools.
@@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget The Po8 Luger lust wasn't as durable a the 1911.
It's tough to be first.
Thanks for your military service. Good video and descriptions. I've enjoyed collecting, customizing, and shooting pistols for many years, including 1911 .45ACP and 10mm pistols. New designs, technologies, and materials have created "better" pistols than 1911's in some ways. Polymer frames have made pistols lighter and easier to carry, but decreased stability and accuracy for some who are not young and strong, and don't train much. Steel frame pistols are heavier, but more stable and accurate. Polymer frame, striker-fired pistols became popular because of their lighter weight, simplicity of operation with no external safety, and reliability. The problem I've had with 1911 pistols is FTF - failure to feed reliably. My non-1911 Sig Sauer, Glock, Beretta, HK, Springfield, and Tanfoglio pistols don't have FTF problems. My gunsmith improved my 1911 pistols with new parts, springs, and custom work. 1911 pistols can be finicky unless you make these improvements. Also, learn what brands and types of ammo feed smoothly in each of your 1911 pistols. Having an occasional FTF problem at the range is not a problem, but having a FTF problem when using your 1911 pistol in self-defense is a big problem. I don't carry a 1911 pistol anymore. I carry one of my striker-fired pistols for reliability and capacity.
Your opening statements about the Amish reminded me of this old Groaner; Q. What goes clip clop clip clop clip clop ..bang! clip clop clip clop ? A. An Amish drive by shooting. ( shared with no disrespect for the fine Amish people.) p.s. -An excellent presentation Sir !
Ha, ha! Thanks! You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t use that joke at the next party I attend!
I was in a Marine Detachment as a Supply Man (3043)/Armorer on the USS Independence, we still had Korean War era 782 gear and this was between 1979-1982. That’s almost 50 years later. My first order was to bring the detachment up to date. Our whole TOE was a shambles. My first job was to square it away before deployment, which I did. My point is, there is no doubt there’s still 1911s out there in small units that don’t have a dedicated supply man that knows what they’re doing. Great channel! I like your perspective.
Thanks Chris and Semper Fi!
Obsolete?! Perhaps in someone’s view, but not in mine. As a kid I was exposed to long guns from around 7 or 8 years old but not handguns. The first handgun I was exposed to was the M1911A1 in Uncle Sammys Army. I fell in love with it and nothing was ever able to replace it. Many handguns later down the road it is still the pinnacle to compare all others to. Sure technology, time, and even perhaps mission has evolved and changed not just in the Military but as an LOE. But there was a time when we were taught that the first round down range was the one that counted, not multiple follow through spray and pray. Young guns of course it’s obsolete! They don’t like single action, thumb safety, and even grip safety but they all served a purpose. I digress as everyone has already beat the proverbial dead horse in the head, however if I had one go to gun I had to pick it would be the M1911 over them all! Do I carry one, no, why because not east to conceal and carry unless shoulder harnesses. The M1911 will be like the energizer bunny in that it takes a licking but keeps on ticking when other will have failed and or have issue! Good video HR! And as always God Bless you my friend.
Something like over twenty-five companies are still producing the 1911.
Thanks David!
Owned, carried and shot a 1911, for over forty plus years. Not obsolete to anyone, except maybe the under fifty crowd, that I affectionately call the "Polymer" generation. The 1911, is still being used and carried, by the Texas Rangers, who want to carry one. Served tithe Texas Rangers well for decades.
Chief you could throw it my way.I love 1911s.
So do I Art. I hope you liked the video!
@@hrfunk This is a really well done lay down of an exceptional firearm design. Any design that is still combat effective at 110 years old is a winner.
I absolutely love my 1911’s. My first handgun was a Colt MkIV Series 70 in 45 ACP. I own a few 1911’s and I trust my life with them. Thank you for such a great and informative video!!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
I am an older person and I prefer no safety on my pistols. My military handguns were .38 revolvers but I wished we had the 1911's at the time. With that said, if I were to have to choose, I prefer a grip/tang safety over a thumb safety. Also, I am not a Glock fan or even a polymer fan, but those Glock's are insanely reliable, especially considering how I remember being taught that autoloaders in general could jam from even a dust ball being in the pistol, lol. Of course, many early autoloaders did jam quite easily but these Glocks and a few other similar pistols just seem to run forever. If I was younger and just staring out with firearms today, I might have no interest in 1911's and prefer the modern pistols and their higher capacity and lighter weight. Fortunately, I'm (almost) old and appreciate the great 1911 and it's phenomenal history. Thanks for the video, well done.
Thanks for watching!
Well experienced, reflected on, and said. Bottom line - 1911 pistols have FTF (failure to feed) problems unless a gunsmith has installed special parts and done custom work on them, and they hold only 7-10 rounds. Modern striker-fired pistols are reliable and hold 9-30 rounds, depending on the mag size.
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You're right, there are a lot of advantages to modern pistols. Other than collectors and a handful of others, we may see the 1911 become an afterthought within this generation.
Great insight HR. Perhaps a better term other than ebsolete, would be dated. Having two examples myself, one full size and one officer's, I enjoy working both over at the range. If the pistol is enjoyable to shoot and run through it's paces it's never obsolete. You've proven that with your many videos using firearms with roots much deeper than the 1911 platorm which can still be tasked for defensive or hunting purposes. Is it dated, compared to newer designs, of course. Still serving viably, after 110 years in many places around the world.
perhaps the 1911 should come with the mantra "requires a responsible owner who understands the importance of acquiring a satisfactory skill set through training and practice" ... although that's a lot to get on the side of the box! 😂
I like your clear presentations, and I like the sound of that home piano.
Thank you!
I carried a 1911 for most of my 37+ years in law enforcement and never had any issues. I still like my revolvers too because that is what. We carried when I started. Even though I recently sold four of my 1911's, I still have a few in the stable. God video Mr. funk. Thank you.
You’re welcome James. Thanks for watching!
Great video, HR, and kudos on your Glock humor.
I absolutely agree with your overall conclusion re the 1911A1 platform. In fact, I’d use the term “obsolescent” instead of “obsolete,” since (according to Webster’s) obsolete’s primary definition is: “no longer in use or no longer useful,” which clearly is false.
Like you, I believe the probability of requiring more than even five rounds in a civilian defensive encoder is minuscule. As LtCol Jeff Cooper (perhaps modern defensive shooting’s primary guru and the founder of GunSite) said: “And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce's answer was, "Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot."
While it is clear that modern projectile deigns have (given velocities that are not too fast (over-expansion) and not too slow (inadequate expansion) ideally allow the major handgun calibers to expand to near-0.7 of an inch and to penetrate beyond the FBI’s 12 inch minimum, I still like the idea of a .45 bullet in the event expansion doesn’t occur (or, especially, if one is in a venue where hollow points are illegals).
Well, with all this said, I am absolutely NOT suggesting that .45 ACP is only viable round or that the 1911A1 platform is currently ideal autoloader design. However, neither are these two major subsystems even slightly “obsolete.” They’ve done their jobs VERY well for over a century, and that alone proves our point.
I couldn’t agree more Roy. Thanks for the comment.
The modern 2011 pistols solve the weight and capacity issues of the 1911 design. I just wish they were more affordable. If Rock Island would make a 2011 with a polymer grip frame they would sell quickly.
That extra weight comes in handy with the RIA 10mm versions, but man it is hard to find the brass for reloading. The 10mm really launches brass.
She was too beautiful for this world 😞 rest easy, darlin
Used 1911 as a carry weapon on a later assignment (worked with an ARVN Intelligence Sargeant, besides other duties as a Team Leader), in a village near Danang which had VC sympathizers. Also, used it for my off duty transactions at night in business settings as the only G.I. selling diamonds in a dark store surrounded by some guys in a very risky area of Saigon later on. My initial tour was as a 20 mm gunner on the rivers near Cambodia. I carry the .45 1911 out in the BLM lands sometimes. But I have a 220 Sig Sauer .45 in the master bedroom which I like for its performance and operational feel. I am not an expert firearms person, so your videos are very informative and enjoyable to watch. Thanks for the hard work.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I've been hearing that word "Obsolete" most all my life....and they still dig holes with shovels....
1911 Obsolete never, I think It`s slim, good looking and tough the only reason people talk of obsolete on something is the eternal search for something that looks different. The only way to improve on a 1911 is to improve the quality of the materials used in it. Just my opinion. Also as said if you can pack a full size pistol witch this one does hide easily you got room for an extra mag or two.
Funny you mentioned the double stack versions , I have a couple older models that most people forget about ( Kimber polymer custom and Wilson combat Kz45 ) just slightly bigger in the grip Hr . Depending upon magazines 10-14 round count of 45 acp . Reliable and accurate as any 1911 should be , both pistols where custom built guns one at a time on a single gunsmiths bench . K
Do you remember how much they cost? That sounds like an expensive prospect.
@@hrfunk Probably very, for a lower cost option Rock Island makes a double stack railed or non railed version in 9mm, 10mm and I think 45. They run 700-900
I still have my RIA full length 1911 in .38 super. Love it!
I carry a Commander size 1911 in 9mm with a 10rd mag. 1911s i believe can be just as reliable as a polymer handgun if you take care of it. I have never felt under powered with my 1911. I fell confident with shot placement and after all it is the Heros handgun
The 1911 will never be obsolete. It's form and function are timeless.
Obsolete? No way, but as you say, you need to train on this platform to be effective on the draw. I use my Walther/Colt 1911-22 Rail Gun to train cheaply as it is the same size and weight as the Government Model. I am a Glock guy (horrors!) because they have shot well for me for over 30 years, but I do appreciate the old classics too.
If correct I believe a famous Texas Ranger always kept his grip safety taped or leather tied down around grip. Love the 1911 , Ruger CMD was my 1st , have 3 now😁
There are photos of the old time Texas Rangers carrying 1911's with a leather thong around the grip safety...they soaked the thong in water & then tied it & as it dried, it shrank & deactivated the grip safety, exactly as we would use a zip tie today...some even carried their 1911 on half cock...man, those were some salty ole boys ! ! !
The only design element I see that would be considered obsolete would be the magazine capacity. Several years ago Kimber sold a pistol with a polymer double stack mag. with a14 round capacity. It didn't sell well, but I still have mine and really like it. I don't remember if the mags were proprietary or not but I've had no problems with them. At the time the Kimber was around $600, a great price when standard models were a lot more. If i remember correctly the frames were made in Israel by Bul. Thanks for the excellent video, keep up the good work.
You’re welcome. Will do!
In the end , it comes down can you hit with the first of 8 , or the last of 16.
There’s only one reason I keep my 1911s for protection and that’s pride knowing how many lives they have saved and how many battles they helped win
@Donnie Cales.I guess all those planes,ships,tanks military members,allies,taticts and luck didn't mean shit.🖕🇺🇸🇺🇸
On the way to Viet Nam, we familiarized with the 1911. I hit the silhouette 21 out of 25 at 25 yards.
Nice shooting!
Great video sir! I’m still in love with the 1911 platform for shooting 30 years after my service in the Corps. Semper Fi!
Semper Fi Dennis. Thanks for watching!
This is why I roll my eyes at people who say revolvers are obsolete. They shoot bullets, they're not obsolete. Shoot I can nail a head shot at 60 yards with my Single Action Army and I carry that for SD as well as a .38 Snubby. Definitely don't feel under gunned with either on hand.
God help me If I am relegated to a 58 Navy Colt for self defense! Better than nothing though I Pray the Huge Cloud of smoke shall laughingly expose or conceal my position! although it is the hits that count! Good luck!
@@renegade2556 A 58 Navy isn't a Colt Single Action Army, however, so no smoke to obscure yourself with, not that it would be needed, the Single Action Army is plenty accurate enough to nail a human head at 60 yards.
@@rojack79er They are both Black powder rounds and despite your denial of the voluminous smoke produced at the report and the possible result : my experience at loading and firing and hitting a human(head) sized target at any range with my 58 Navy Colt makes your (head sized Target) a bit bigger than mine and quite an easier target to hit! It is always your personal skill and familiarity with loading and firing your weapon and your own experience rather than the weapon itself! Don't think you are Rambo because you sport a fearsome new weapon! The old 58 Navy Colt is just as lethal in the right hands!
@@renegade2556 the modern day Colt Single Action Army doesn't use black powder rounds. It uses smokeless powder, like everything else we have, and to add to it it's an actual Colt 1873 45 Long Colt. Not some random 58 black powder pistol. Also I've been handling guns ever since I was ten years old, not that mine or your experience really matters all that much but hey thanks for showing how big your ego must be if you think that me correcting you on my own gun means I have a big head.
I Would never shoot at a fellow American, and just to be Crystal clear this is only relative to target shooting.
Mr. hrfunk , my wife keeps asking me why I can’t stop sobbing, I don’t want to tell her what I’m looking at , she’ll take away my iPad. With all due respect, have you lost your mind? Your nice wife needs to give you a stern talking to. We need to talk.
Please watch the video before you abandon all hope.
@Paul Renner
Tell your wife not to get on you too hard. HR is just funnin’. We’ve been here before, where he started to say questionable things about The idol that JMB made. He’s gonna nail down that part when he says: “the 1911 ain’t for everyone but I still worship at that altar!” Lol
HR like you I carried a 1911 while I was in the US Navy and I loved it, so much I always shot expert. To this day I have two Combat Commanders in 45 ACP & Colt Super 38 Auto. Which I bought back in the late 1980’s.
Thank you for bringing our old friend out.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
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Thanks for your post. I carried a 1911 in the mid-1960s on duty. I still consider it sufficient for my present needs.
I feel that as a military or law enforcement sidearm the 1911 is obsolete. As a personal civilian sidearm I think it's a fine pistol.
I'm a veteran 🎗, 4yr 1990s era. I wore a 1911a1 for 12mo. USFK. Was it well made? Durable? No. Was the .45acp a potent round for defense or military use? Yes but newer designs like the S&W 4506 or the Glock 21, Ruger P90 had a bigger hold on 🇺🇸 buyers. 1000s bought 1911s because of JMB & the legend of the design.
@@DavidLLambertmobile Spent time in the Army and Army reserve as both an MP and a marine engineer. In both jobs, I carried a 1911 and sent 1000s of rounds down range. Can't remember any failure to feed issues, never had a misfire, and the rare miss was on me. The M9 on the other hand, always found the mag release to be a bit awkward, causing slow reloads when qualifying. The 1911 was faster to reload, and if you wacked the mag in hard enough, it cycled into battery without additional actions, lol....
Key takeaway: Train with your weapon.
If you live in a 10 round state the hi cap advantage is gone. Alloy frames close the gap in weight with the polymers and nothing beats a 1911 trigger.
When I was younger I asked my dad " What's so great about a 45" ? He was a tank Commander with the 12th Armoured Division. He looked at me and said " It makes a bigger hole"! He cast bullets in the kitchen 262grains . You can always tell a Norwegian but you cant tell him much. Great video as always
Thanks Brian!
From my perspective - which ever weapon you will actually carry, and shoot well, is the best weapon for you. Someone can tell you "The best gun ever is XYZ", and they could be right, but if it's a gun your not comfortable with, can't fire comfortably, or accurately - whether it's technically the best is irrelevant. For me, I tend to like proven weapons, with history behind it. I like the 1911 because it's an iconic weapon, and has a cool factor to it that I enjoy. I like the history behind it. There are lots of cool handguns, but for me, the 1911 will always have a special place to me. I remember being a little kid, and seeing the 1911 in movies, thinking it was so cool. I still feel that, so to me, whether or not someone says it's obsolete really doesn't matter to me. I hope whatever you shoot, makes you happy, for me, the 1911 is that gun.
Did you watch the video?
I just noticed your belt, Awesome!!!
Thank you!
Excellent perspective! Obsolescent, but still very useful, like many other older designs.
I sort of resemble that description! Thanks for watching!
Hey how are you doing ?
When my agency adopted the Glock I was more than glad to have it. I’d run out of ammo in a 1974 gunfight w/armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special and had a real appreciation for its enhanced ammo capacity. In retirement a J Frame, or LCP, is more than adequate for my needs. My only experience w/a 1911 dates back to Viet Nam in 1966, but haven’t handled one since.
I would love to have any worn, obsolete 1911. I love the rattle!
They worked then and they still work today. Both my granddad and my dad carried them in the Marines and they both came home. They must have worked. As always, Semper Fidelis HR and great video
Thank you and Semper Fi!
Well done video. The pike and the long bow are obsolete too, but if a bad guy is on the receiving end of one it won't matter much to him.
Ha, ha! Nope!
I was using a 2011 today. 20+1 rounds on tap plus a spare 20 round magazine is nothing to sneeze at.
No, I think not.
obsolete? only when i can no longer find or make ammo for a gun is it considered obsolete.....
I was trained on the 1911 in the USMC. I am one that the gun was made for. To this day I find it fits my hand right and I shoot it well, like the old Gunny is behind me waiting to jump in my backside with both feet if I screw up. It is definitely a thumb down proposition for best operation and safety with the primary hand. I carry one because I have one and I love it. I also carry an extra mag. Also, folks that think a 45ACP cartridge is a wimp, just study momentum, heavy bullets, and some ballistics data.
Thanks for the comment Mike. Semper Fi!
His Holliness, John Moses Browning, was an amazing gunsmith. The 1911, 1935 Hi Power and M-2 Browning Machine Gun are just a few of the incredible feats of engineering that emerged from His unyielding intellect.
And it all began with a young man who built a small bicycle repair shop and had a design for a gun that old man Winchester didn't like. He ended up in Belgium working with Fabric Nationial (F.N.- as in the makers of the P-90). Browning's history is full of amazing stories and his tools helped us to fight wars for over 100 years. That's quite a legacy!
Indeed. Thanks for the comment.
He also designed some very good shotguns.
Such a nice show,I was brought up around 1911's and 50 years later I still have one within easy reach at all times, mine is very accurate and reliable,yes I have other pistols and I like all of them I simply prefer my 1911
I like them too. Thanks for watching!
We should all strive to be "obsolete"! Great video! Oh, my Citadel '11 says hi to your "11s, btw.
There will never be a trigger on a more modern firearm, especially a striker fired gun, that matches the single action 1911. I have an Auto Ordnance 1911A1 WWII reproduction that has a superb trigger compared to all the other semi-autos I have. It is only bested by the single action on my S&W 629 Classic, which I use for hunting.
Another point to consider, in talking about self-defense, is that almost all those situations are resolved in less than 8 rounds.
Love my Dan Wesson Guardian and PM-38 1911's chambered in .38 Super baby!
I have been in LE 12 years. I started with a revolver, and then went to a CZ75 and finally a 1911. I just traded the 1911 for a Sig P-210 Target. So I guess the 1911 is obsolete.........
I agree with you 60%. Obsolete for today's Military and Police - probably. Obsolete to many civilian's defending their homes, lives and businesses - I don't think I'd use the word obsolete. While the 1911 is big and heavy - it also helps tame the recoil of the 45acp which most will agree is a good round for SD/HD. While the 1911 will only hold 8+1 in most configurations and not really high capacity in today's respect, 9 rounds of 45 acp will almost always get the job done. While I do not carry one any more because of its size and weight, I would not hesitate to use one in a HD situation. Again, I do agree that as far as Military and LEOs are concerned = yes it's not the best platform anymore.
I tried to make those same points in the video.
I carried the 1911 while I was in the Army and own one. I used to own a Ruger 9mm with a 15 shot mag, It was a good gun but it was too bulky for me. I like the 1911 because it isn't bulky and it fits well in my hand. also, I train with it offhand, both left and right, and hit the target with no problems. I don't worry about magazine capacity because according to the FBI most shootings are at around three yards and three rounds in about three seconds. So the seven to eight rounds are plenty for your typical gunfight. and if you need more rounds you can still reload within a second.
My definition of obsolete: can’t find a hassle free way to obtain ammo (needle guns), outright dangerous/unpredictable design (nambu pistol) and can’t find factory new replacement parts or aftermarket parts accessories and must have gunsmith make parts. IMO of course.
I know an MP in the Army who served in Iraq in the mid 2000's. His job was to travel from the FOB into Bagdad pick up prisoners and escort them back to the FOB. About a mile when his convoy would leave the base the enemy would open up on the convoy. They would get shot at all the way into the city, and all the way back.
His sidearm of choice was the 1911 .45 acp and he used it all the time on those convoys. He wore out the first one, and purchased one when he came back on leave and returned with it for use. He had permission to do so. He wore that one out as well. The 1911 brought him home in 2009. He is safe and sound.
Good for him!