Snubby Revolvers: Obsolete?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- So with all the advancements in small semi-auto pistols, have we reached the point where it's time to bid good bye to our old Snub-nose revolvers? In this midweek update, I'm taking a look at that topic. Check out the video, and then let me know your thoughts!
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Good video; good point! Was it Tom Givens who said something like, "You're gonna run out of time before you run out of ammo." Whoever said it, it's probably true in most cases. OF course, we'd like to be as prepared as possible for those other cases. That's why I pack a .44 Magnum, a snubby .38, six Glock 17's, thirty-seven spare mags, and a grenade launcher on my belt! :-)
Ha, ha! It sounds like you're well prepared Hickock. Thanks for the comment.
Legendary
You ‘da man Hickok
That’s all .... newbie. 😜
Your an Operator that's for sure. On your Operations, do you Operate with other Operators or are you a Ghost Operator? :)
Ammo capacity? Once someone told me, "Revolver, usually only six shots, right? In real life, the odd of you being in a situation where you need more than six shots in one encounter is pretty slim. And if you were an assassin and after six shots your target is not dead yet, well, you'd better start looking for a different line of work."
Learn to shoot a DA revolver well, and the semi-auto pistols get a lot easier. So many younger shooters really have no idea how to manage trigger control and try to buy that skill.
I agree!
You're absolutely correct!
Not in those words but I have been saying that for years. I say you can spend a lot to buy accuracy, or you can practice and it goes with you from gun to gun
It really grinds my gears when internet commandos just proclaim this gun or that caliber is obsolete. For military/LE, yes revolvers are obsolete. But for Joe public where gun laws vary from place to place, and not everyone has the same budget, availability, heck they inherited a relatives old 1970s model 19 and that’s all they can legally own, it beats not having a gun. Sometimes I think we over think scenarios and are planning for things that will probably never happen...while neglecting to prepare for events that are far more likely to happen.
That's more or less the point I was trying to make in the video.
@Travis Thacker The G36 is a great pistol. With a plus one baseplate you have 7+1 and much lighter than a 1911. Carry mine regularly. Also a G43. Here in NY we can't have standard capacity anything.
Highly disagree with LE. Snub nose makes a good backup for contact shots.
@Travis Thacker 0o
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Lots of good comments here. When I first started as a police officer, we carried six shot revolvers. Back then, I habitually carried a five shot snub as a backup gun, readily accessible at all times and that system worked fine. In those quieter, calmer days, the five shot became my off-duty gun. As time went on and things got more dangerous out there, of course we in uniform transitioned to duty guns that held more rounds and were faster to reload. Even then, just to make sure I always had something that was reliable, or perhaps to arm another trained person, I still carried the five shot snub as my backup. At that time, only a few semiautos were sufficiently reliable to trust your life to, and many would only work well with ammunition that wasn't the most effective, hence the snub as backup. I made regular time for frequent practice with anything I was carrying, because I considered skill at arms to be a professional obligation.
Then we got better and better semiautos, that worked with ammunition that was in a constant state of improvement. I still carried the snubbie as backup, but other than perhaps arming someone else (like the wife if the car broke down and I had to walk for some help, or handing it to my brother who was a cop but was always too lazy to carry off-duty), I wondered many times why I bothered with the second gun. Then I took a job where I would be working long night shifts, out on the road doing traffic stops, alone, with my closest backup being 20 miles away. I then put away the J-frame, and began to carry a second semi-auto in the same caliber that accepted the same magazines as my duty gun. I'm not sure it was really necessary, but it made me feel better. I was also in a situation where I was the only officer who actually lived within our jurisdiction, and I drove a take home car. I routinely had to function in a law enforcement capacity while off duty. So this meant that I had to pretty much carry a duty capable firearm even while not on the clock. I also did some off duty executive protection work where a high capacity firearms was required. So I got used to carrying more heavily strapped and just accepted it.
A contract then took me to a foreign country that was fairly dangerous, but was a non-permissive environment for me carrying guns. It was important that whatever I carried not be spotted, ever, and handgun selection was limited. So it was back to a snub revolver because that was what I could get, and hide effectively. Then I retired and moved to a southern state where it never gets cold, and our "uniform" is a pair of shorts and a tee-shirt. I then found that a full-sized or even a so-called "Compact" semiauto was a pain in the ass to carry, and my likelihood of being involved in an armed confrontation was much lower than it had been. This was a realization that took a while to sink in, as I accepted that I was no longer a cop. For a brief time, I went back to the five shot snubbie carried in my pocket, and I was fine with it. I just resolved to mind my own damned business and tried to stay out of trouble. I figured that in anything I'd get involved in, if I fired the gun at all, it would be a couple of shots and that I would then be running away. That's what I told myself at least, and carrying that small revolver put me miles ahead of leaving my larger semiauto at home.
But then I suffered a major disability that meant that making a swift retreat would no longer be an option, one that was visible to onlookers and might make me a very attractive target to criminals. I figured it was reasonable to prepare and equip myself to handle an assault by two bad guys, and that in anything more than that, I was probably going to have to trust to luck. For that reason, I decided to move to carrying a gun that was a bit smaller than a "duty gun", but held a few more shots and was a bit quicker to reload than a snub revolver. I finally found happiness with a very compact single stack 9mm, carried in my cargo shorts pocket, along with a spare magazine on the other side. I did have to go out and practice a bit more with it, because it was a harder to shoot well than a duty sized gun, or even my beloved small revolvers that I already had decades of experience with. Now my last remaining snubs are something that are shot more by students in gun classes I run than they are by me. I don't think they are obsolete by any means, but just not the best choice for me in my unique situation. I've also noted during my classes that many beginners have a much easier time managing a small steel framed .38 revolver than they do a very small, light 9mm, especially if anything goes wrong that requires malfunction clearance.
The point of this long-winded comment is to say that no matter who you are, or what your level of skill and experience is with firearms, your life situation can change, and your needs and handgun selection may have to change with them.
And that is probably the best comment I've seen on proper mind-set and preparation. Thanks Tom!
Thanks for sharing. I wonder, did you settle with the Sig P365 or a SA Hellcat?
@@sais9221 Hi there. If that question was directed at me, the answer is neither, because neither had been introduced when I lost my leg. I already owned a Smith and Wesson Shield, as well as a slightly more compact Kahr P9 Covert. I tried them both on some realistic courses of fire, and found that while the Shield was easier to shoot well under stress, the Kahr, which held one less round was quicker out of the pocket because it was shorter in the grip. But, both were fine, and I did well on my old law enforcement qualification course which goes out to 50 yards. Since the Kahr P9 Covert was a gift from a very special friend who has since passed away, and hasn't been available since 2004, I "retired" it and finally settled on the Shield since I have two of them purchased at less than $300 each. If one gets taken as evidence, I wont cry too much. Also spare mags for the Shield are much cheaper than Kahr mags, so I have a lot of them.
Had they been available at the time I was making my choice, I'm sure I would have been fine with either the P365 once its early teething problems were resolved, or the Hellcat. But having been shot at a few times and reading thousands of police shooting reports, I simply wasn't concerned enough about the difference in capacity between my Shield and those two newer guns to spend $500 plus on a new gun, plus the cost of spare mags, etc.
I shot both the P365 and the Hellcat recently, and they were fine. But I decided not to buy either one and just stick with my Shield. I figured that if I really needed more than the 16 rounds afforded by the Shield and a spare magazine (which is how I roll these days, literally since I spend a lot of time in a wheelchair, lol) I could just carry one more spare mag. They only cost me $20. I hope that helps a bit to explain why I chose what I did.
@@PPISAFETY I carry the original M&P shield 9 as well. I thought about trading it in for the two newer ones for highier capacity but decided to save my money for the snub nose revolver instead. I really like the shield too! Thanks for sharing 👍
@@sais9221 I think you made a great choice. Cheers!
I carry a revolver most of the time. Never felt like I need more. I live in a fairly safe place. Never have had to use a firearm. I feel like 5 or 6 will be enough. You’re right, it’s about your comfort level. I used to carry larger semiautomatic pistols but settled back in my older age to revolvers. They are not obsolete by any means. Thanks for the great content. Especially revolver stuff.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I helped my wife pick out a S&W 38 airweight revolver for her Christmas present. She had been after me for a purse gun. We chose between it and the S&W 380 EZ. In my mind, we made the right choice. Simplicity, in her case, was the deciding factor. Pull, point, and shoot. She wanted something simple to operate if her life was at stake. If that's what a person is comfortable carrying, and they feel safe, then by all means, it's better than carrying something you are reluctant in trusting.
The Primary & Secondary Modcast episode entitled “Snubbies” featuring Darryl Bolke is really worth a listen.
The big takeaways:
- context matters: going to trouble or likely trouble requires different equipment than getting out of trouble
- pocket carry with a shrouded or enclosed hammer snub is faster for most people than any other draw, because the primary grip can be established inconspicuously
- not looking weak or unaware is an effective deterrent
- the benefits of a snub are most pronounced in an entanglement; there isn’t a slide that can be pushed out of battery or a button on the grip that can turn your firearm into a single-shot tool
- the overwhelming majority of shootings, even law enforcement shootings, are more properly characterized as shootings than “gunfights”
- round butt revolvers in general conceal very well due to their shape, despite the issue of cylinder width, as they lack pronounced corners that create a gun-shaped outline
There is the possibility that the cylinder is hindered from turning so it'll be the same as being out of battery.
I'd say two snubbies are a good choice.
To your 3rd point " Not Looking Weak" I once won what I'll call a " No-Shot Shoot out" with a crack head in a Miami Florida ghetto. I'm pretty sure he had at least a 9mm . I had my FIE TITAN .25acp and just the way I handled myself and my gun got him begging out of the confrontation and running off. Confidence works
@@rang123yea5 Usually.
My two favorite, to this day, revolvers I carried off duty and/or as backup to my service weapon during my career as an LEO were #1) a blue steel, 3in, .44 Special Charter Arms "Bulldog" with two spare five round speed loaders in my strong side pants pocket. I loaded that little hand cannon with 250grn, gas checked, LSWCs and a powder charge of Unique you don't want to know about...Let's just say it got a rise out of the muzzle of the Ruger Super Blackhawk I owned at the time while being, oddly enough, very accurate out to 50yrds from BOTH revolvers and #2) three different Taurus M85s (late 80s to late 90s production models) the last of which was of stainless steel and of "hammerless/double action only" design. By the time I started carrying the first M85 I was utilizing it as both an off duty weapon and as backup to my service auto pistol. I carried, on and off duty, two spare speed loaders in my strong side pants pocket or in a double pouch belt slide from Safari. If there was as #3 I would say it was one or the other of two 1970s production Colt's Detective Specials I've owned, and like the Taurus M85s, I kept loaded with 125grn SJHP +P ammo OR 158gr LSWCHPs in +P. Regardless of the make, model, or caliber of snubby I never felt "under gunned" and with either fifteen or eighteen rounds available I felt comfortable with my choices overall and do now in the 21st century.
If you want to throw them away I will be happy to take them off your hands. I can send cost of shipping plus my FFL's license.
Good morning, HR, and I really look forward to this video. In fact, you’ve already inspired me . . . I just inspected, cleaned and lubricated - not that it requires even five minutes - my 2.5 inch barrel SP-101. As for obsolescence, even with a five round capacity of +P’s, I’d wager that snubbies are adequate for near-all, realistic, non-LEO defensive scenarios.
Thanks Roy! That's what I'll be discussing. I hope you enjoy it!
It's my belief that you should carry what you shoot BEST. I've been shooting revolvers for over 40 years, so I'm pretty damn more than Accurate with them, BUT ...there are times I carry semiautos as well. THE WARRIOR MAKES THE WEAPON, THE WEAPON DOESN'T MAKE THE WARRIOR.
My philosophy as well!
I'm also an "old guy" and carried a five shot Taurus 85 in .38 special for a lot of years. I finally got to the point of thinking that I needed to upgrade to something with a higher capacity. I settled on a S&W model 66 combat magnum. I now have six shots of .357 and feel so much more comfortable! This was another great review. Thanks for your time to do this.
Ha, ha! I'm glad you went to a high-capacity option!
Mom and I both carried M1895 Nagant revolvers. Neither of us ever needed the whole cylinder in a situation. I used 5 once, when someone using a stolen dump truck was trying to push down our gates.
My granduncle was in the GA State Patrol for 40yrs, and carried a S&W model 10 till he retired in the 80's. He made it home nightly. On the defensive, you're already 2 steps behind, and often outgunned, if carrying revolver today. All my relatives stressed shot placement over power and quantity. With a low capacity, you need to end things fast.
That is a very, very cool choice. I have always been fascinated with the Nagant and its cylinder mechanism.
Since I started carrying back in 2018, I've only ever carried snubnose revolvers. I started off with a Taurus 85, then switched to a S&W 642, occasionally carried a S&W Model 12, and just a few weeks ago switched to a Taurus 856. I've never felt undergunned with a snubnose. I don't anticipate getting into an encounter where more than 5 rounds of .38 Special (6 rounds for the Model 12 and 856) would be necessary, and I just feel more comfortable with a revolver since I like them so much. The revolver also has specific advantages that suit the way I like to carry. My "safety" is just a heavy double-action trigger pull, I can easily check whether a revolver is loaded or not, and I can reuse carry ammo. With a semi-auto, you have to switch ammo (or at least rounds) around every so often because you can't keep rechambering the same round over and over. With a revolver, this is a non-issue. I do like that, and it came in unexpectedly handy during 2020-2021 when it became all but impossible to obtain more of my preferred carry ammo.
I carry a 32 Seecamp as my all the time pocket gun. That's ok for my area in the north Dallas suburbs. For trips to more concerning areas, I am comfortable taking one of my snubby's.
Hard to beat ol reliable.
Agreed!
Nice video-especially liked the capacity analogy between Guitar Strings (6) and 88 keys on Pianos.
Revolvers are Definitely NOT Obsolete.
The right Revolver Instructor(s) can teach us tactics that maximize the Defensive Capabilities of this classic personal protection tool.
“It is an elegant weapon from a more civilized time.” - Obi Wan Kenobi
Yep. May the Force be with you!
Shot placement is more important than the capacity of the firearm you may be using for concealed carry.
I still carry my snubby's. I have two 2" Mod 19-4's. I'd rather have 6 rounds of .357 than more of 9mm. No worry about malfunction once the adrenaline dump happens. Literally point and shoot until it goes "click". IF you have an ammo issue...just keep on spinning the wheel to the next. Clear it with one hand by simply pulling the trigger again.
Absolutely!!! It only takes one good torso or head shot from a .357 magnum!! My to favorite carry calibers are .357 magnum & .45 Both are proven man stoppers!! Not a huge fan of 9mm but it’s better than nothing at all.
There are several reasons a da revolver is still viable. One age. Older shooters have carried them for years and are usually proficient with them if they have carried them for years. Power. A properly loaded 38 is a very portable , powerful combination. It throws a relatively heavy slug at medium velocity. Safety. I prefer a da action revolver in a pocket holster to a striker fired pistol. Speed of shots . A pistol can only be fired as fast as the slide recoils and resets the firing mechanism, A da revolver can manually be cycled as fast as you train to recover from recoil and get back on target. Very fast in trained hands. Reliability . Misfire? No tap rack slap, just pull the trigger. Not enough ammo? Feel you need more? Nobody said you can’t carry two.
Ha! That worked for the Lone Ranger! Thanks for the comment Michael.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it
Yep! Every, single one of them. Don’t worry though, you can send them to me for.....disposal.......kinda! Haha
Thanks for the generous offer!
Howdy Mr. Boyer:
Just wondering how the holster business has been going?
@@chrispetersen113
Going well. Not taking orders at present though.
Been called to help out in a local church and, between that, working another full time job, holster have to sit.... ;) Stay tune for the future though.....
@@skipboyer1889 > I was going through my desk the other night and found some of your business cards from last time.
In addition to you, I like to deal with:
•Precision Delta Corporation
•Timney Triggers
•Nighthawk Custom
I have a 9 month wait on my latest order for a 1911...
I like Howard's S&W mdl 66 2.5 " snub nose revolver. Solve the problem of 10 or more rounds carry 2 mdl 66 snubs gives you 12 shots .
Snubbies are perfect close combat weapons..can be also used as a knuckleduster and this is a big advantage in most critical situations without firing any ammo..
I have a 2 1/4 SP101 in 357, but I think a slap from the 6 inch GP100 is a sleeper.
In my first 20 years of carrying concealed, was with a 4" barrel revolver in .357 mag. My next 20 years of concealed carry was with a semi-auto in .380. During all those years, I never felt 100% comfortable with semi-auto. This year I went back to a revolver with a 2" barrel. I feel good about it.
Interesting comment. You’ve been carrying a lot longer than I have, but my history is a sort of “compressed” version of yours.
I only started carrying seven years ago.
My very first carry was an old inherited 1970s vintage Charter Arms Undercover .38 snubbie. But it was very lightweight and had wooden grips, the combination of which made it uncomfortable to practice with. So I soon switched to a Taurus 85 that still had wooden grips but was heavier and had a ported barrel, so it was more pleasant at the range. I carried that for about two years.
Then in 2018 I happened upon the then just released Springfield Armory 911 .380 at a local gun store, and fell in love with it, just had to have it. Overall it was and is a great little gun; tight tolerances made frequent cleaning a must but if properly maintained it was reliable, fun to shoot, and very accurate. That was my exclusive day-to-day EDC for another four years, until I started to notice a little issue. I pocket carry and I’m left handed, so the mag release is facing outside. Once in a while, probably from inadvertently bumping into a car door while getting out or some such, the mag release would be depressed and I would come home to find that the mag was not properly seated. If I were in a real situation with the gun in that state, I’d have had the one in the chamber and that would have been it. It was only once in a while but still disconcerting.
So a little more than a year ago I got another .38 snubbie that I liked better than the Taurus, a current production Charter Arms Undercover (standard weight, not “Lite”) with their proprietary rubber grips. At least for me, Charter Arms really did their ergonomic homework with that gun; it feels “just right” in my hand, and I shoot it very well. That’s what I carry most of the time nowadays.
I still carry my .380 sometimes, when discretion is top priority, particularly if I’m going out of town or in a non-permissive environment. In my DeSantis “Nemesis” pocket holster it slips into my jeans or cargo shorts and becomes practically invisible. But I periodically give it a squeeze to make sure that magazine is where it’s supposed to be. With the snubbie, on the other hand, I just stuff it in its pocket holster and then in my pocket, and no worries; it may only be five shots but it’s five shots I KNOW I have without having to periodically check it, which is nice.
Like you, I too have come to simply feel more comfortable packing a wheel gun.
I love the simplicity of my Colt Detective Special.
I like that a revolver won't leave evidence at my crime scene.
Seriously, seeing all of the wilding mobs in the news attacking a person, I want as many responses in my pocket as possible.
During my 9 year law enforcement career, I thought long and hard about what to use as my backup weapon. I chose the S&W 442 Air weight in 38 spcl, because as you said for the reason of a particular scenario. For me that would close hand to hand where your primary weapon is empty, broke, taken away, or not accessible. In that scenario, it's possible and even probable that the encounter will be up close and personal. In that scenario a small auto is taken out of the fight if you have to jam the weapon into the perp and putting it out of battery. It only take a 1/16th of an inch or so to do this. The revolver will go bang jammed in the ribcage of the perp. Another reason is it can be fired while it's still in your pocket for all 5 shots if need be. 38+p ammo is plenty for this setup too. BTW, both my wife and I are trying your diet.
Thanks Daniel. Best of luck to both of you!
Great video, as usual from you. You speak the truth regarding the reality of citizen self-defense. Most of what passes as advice in the gun industry is based on selling new products... even more so in the CZcams era, which is largely filled with shills and internet commandos.
I believe that the late great Stephen A. Camp also wrote that in both his experience and that of others in LE, you run out of time before you run out of ammo. In my experience, I also agree. The need for large ammunition capacity is limited to specific circumstances.
Y'all remember that CZcams song... " I Like Guns" ? The line " I like guns, I like 'em one 'n all, I like guns, I like 'em big and small" . This came to mind. Sometimes I want a smaller gun, but, there are times I want a bigger gun with me. The snub still has its time and place.
Statically gunfights where it takes more than six rounds to resolve the situation are exceedingly rare.
I'm not being a wiseguy, I'm genuinely asking. Can you point me to a source for those statistics?
@@hrfunk lionquest fitness did a video on it. F.B.I statistics show 3 rounds within 7 yards usually is enough
@@sosuapimp8449 I’m not disputing Greg or his sources, but I will say it is exceedingly difficult to get accurate statistics for defensive encounters.
Contact shots are more likely than a running gun battle with multiple assailants. Fear the Snubby!
I certainly do!
Completely agree. Not having to woory about contact issues or limp wristing goes a long way in close encounters of the scuffling kind. 99% of the time 6 shots of .38 or .32 should be fine. Heck even 8 or 9 rimfire rounds will be pretty discouraging to a bad guy.
Ultimate though I suspect is one of each. Start with your wheelie and if it turns into a Rambo movie pull out the bottom feeder. :D
In ww2 and ww1, our boys carried 7 shot 1911 pistols. They still kicked ass. Year 2020, some marines still carry 1911s.
Also, can confirm. Had a friend that was being followed. He held up his Taurus 85 to show the attackers he was armed and the would be attackers turned around and went the other way.
Yep, that happens more than most people would believe because many such incidents are not reported.
@@hrfunk Had a contractor friend in the Miami area...had three bad guys come at him in broad daylight, swung his 45 up, and they turned around. You are right I think this happens quite often. Does not fit the politics of the media.
@@hrfunk And why would such incidents be reported, considering most places have pretty strong anti-brandishing laws?
I was not suggesting they should be, I was simply acknowledging that they are not.
One of the bad guys: “You’ve only got six rounds in that thing!”
Good guy: “Yeah, and how many of them do you want?”
Another good one hr.
With all the emphasis these days on high capacity semi autos as duty weapons, shooting ability does not seem to have improved in the user.
Often the only difference we note is that more ammunition is expended before we have someone standing there with an empty gun.
Back when we were issued revolvers, they placed more emphasis on getting business done with those 6 shots. And I don't remember a lot of fights where more than six were used when the proper response would have been to take a shotgun or rifle.
Yep, never take a pistol if a rifle/shotgun is available!
I think the snubby is perfect for personal carry. Always chambered with a heavy trigger-pull, the revolver is safer than a semi-auto while also being more effective in a stressful situation (all you have to think about is aiming and pulling the trigger).
Revolvers aren't inherently safer.
The specific gun and how it is carried has more to do with if a gun accidentally discharges than if it is a revolver or semi auto.
Kinda like how having a safety doesn't make a gun automatically safer, a heavier trigger pull does not automatically make a gun safer.
@@J.B.90 Right, because of the reasons I mentioned some semi-autos are just as safe (i.e. DA/SA types). And if you've got one in the chamber it's just like a revolver. So, you are correct; revolvers aren't "inherently safer."
By your logic though (as sound as it is), you could say that a sports car is just as safe as an underpowered SUV. However, there is a reason why insurance companies charge higher premiums for the sports car. You could drive the sports car just as slow and safe as the SUV. But just like people are more apt to drive the sports car faster and more wrecklessly, they are also more apt to be more fumbling under duress on the more complex manual of arms on the semi-auto handgun, and more apt to have an AD on an SA striker-fired gun.
Therefore, I agree: It's not "inherently," nor is it "automatically" safer. But the revolver is more apt to be safer.
@Richard Greene No, they aren't. They're just different. Some are safer, some are less safe.
The car analogy doesn't work in your favor, because you said how somone uses the car determines safety. Same think with guns, the user is the ultimate safety mechanism.
When firing a weapon, the only reason you would "fumble" is generally because you are unfamiliar with it, or have not kept it in good condition.
I have shot both revolvers and semiautomatic handguns. I am not a fan boy of either type. Both have merit.
Don't let your preferences blind you to the facts.
A revolver can be overly complex and hard to handle, and a semiautomatic can be simple and easy.
Key is to know your firearm.
If you are familiar and comfortable with a revolver, then use it. If someone is familiar and comfortable with a semiautomatic, a quality firearm is just as safe and reliable as a revolver.
@@J.B.90 Why do insurance companies charge higher premiums for sports cars than underpowered SUVs?
@@richardgreene6810 Because the people who gravitate towards sports cars are statistically more reckless.
It is about the type of people who drive the vehicles, not how safe the vehicle is.
MOST modern sports cars are perfectly safe when driven safely. SOME older SUVs can be unsafe wether they are driven safely or not.
It all comes down to the specific vehicle for safety. Not the insurance cost.
In the same way, most properly built semiautomatic guns are perfectly safe and reliable when used and maintained correctly.
(Also sports cars are more expensive, therefore premiums are higher to cover cost of repair or replacement.)
I carry a 642 J frame as a backup gun for my Shield. Love the 642!
You had me at "Point and Shoot" - Stubby Revolvers hands down !
Ww1, ww2, Korean War, Vietnam...... these vets carried a 7 shot 1911. They still kicked ass.
Yep
In my opinion, snubbies will never be obsolete, yet I'd also agree there can be times when an 18shot semi auto could be pretty handy too.
I’ll never give up my J & K frame snubbys or Colt Detective Specials. They’re the last guns I’d part with.
I'm right there with you Sonny.
Thanks again my friend for another “educational” & worthy video. Will try to keep my comments short this time (I can be a “blabbermouth”!!!). I think about my best “like” about revolvers is, unlike semi-autos, they are not really “AMMO-SENSITIVE”! Feed them ANYTHING & they should fire OK. Also, as I have bad arthritis, no slide to rack - a round fails to fire, pull the trigger again to fire the next fresh round! Yes, lack of ammo capacity bothers me, but “what the heck”! A high capacity .22lr or magnum might help my “confidence”! Love ya my friend. Also, Very very sorry about the big election results (so far - Wednesday, November 4th)!!! The “American people” are NOT what they used to be (I’m 81). The real “old time Americans” used to stand for what our country was “designed to be”!!!
Yes they did. I miss the country I grew up in.
While I have been largely more favorable towards carrying hi capacity 9mm and .45 Semi-Auto Pistols, there's nothing at all wrong with carrying a snubby five or six shot revolver.
Some people with hand strength issues cannot load magazines or rack the Slide of a Semi-Auto Pistol.
I have two Snubby .38 Special Revolvers in my collection set in case that ever becomes an issue for me or any relatives.
Wise planning.
Great video. The only time I've ever had to present my firearm, the mere sight of the .38 revolver in my hand was enough to remind an entire gang of young tough guys that they were late for a previous engagement elsewhere. On my hip at the moment, is a Smith and Wesson 442. Tomorrow, I plan to go to a rough part of Indy, and I'll be wearing my Rock Island Armory m 206, or possibly my Taurus 856 Ultralite. By the way, if you ever get tired of those wheel guns, we could meet at the Indiana/Ohio line. ; ). And yes officer, I do have a license to carry.
I carry a Taurus 856UL. I can not imagine any realistic scenario where I would need more than the six rounds it holds. I don't frequent the rougher areas of town, and I always try to be aware of my surroundings.
Good advice. Normally I carry a five shot snub and I don't begrudge anyone carrying high capacity, but I also carry what is suitable for the area of the country I live (low crime/suburban/rural) and the lifestyle I lead (avoid trouble).
I change up my carry option depending on where I'm going and what I'm doing. When I'm out in the sticks, I might have a big-bore single action revolver on me. Downtown in a large city, probably something that holds a few more rounds of ammo. Thanks for the comment.
I carry a snubby quite often. Its comfortable especially in South Florida heat in the summer. I'm usually out in rural areas for work but I live in the city. I may stop at a gas station or a store on the way to work and or home. If I encounter someone maybe a mugger or a deranged homeless guy. I dont wake up in the morning saying well better load up on extra mags in case I am accosted by a company sized element supported by a heavy weapons platoon. In any case I am going to avoid trouble and make a hasty retreat when able 99% of the time. As a combat wounded veteran I have had my fill of gunfights, I carry as a last resort.
I live in a very violent city outside the US. For the last 9 years I regularly carry a 7-shot snubby well fed with 38 spl 158 grains +P hollow points. It has gotten me out of trouble more than once (most recently last week, even). Its reliability is priceless. Knowing it won't jam when SHTF gives me true peace of mind.
Some may say it's not enough to fend against a zombie army or 30+ Spetznaz operatives.
My answer always is: if I expect to face that kind of confrontation, why on Earth will I go to such place?
Knowing how to choose your fights and your fighting grounds is half way to winning your battles.
But more than one car jacker or wanna-be muggers have learned a lesson or two on the value of my snub nose revolver.
Snub noses are great. They have done their job for decades. If you practice and become proficient with them, they will prove to be a great tool for personal defense.
Well said. Thanks for the comment!
Great video especially coming from someone with experience, circumstances are the dictator of everything and knowing how to use what you have makes all the difference. Besides after yesterday how many rounds you have in a magazine could be in jeopardy unfortunately. Thanks again
Unfortunately, you might be right.
My $.02 worth: The biggest problem with modern "high capacity" pistols (ie. 10 rds. +) is the dangerous tendency of the people carrying them to become too reliant on pumping lead downrange, and paying far too little attention to actually learning how to hit their target. Now, police officers are, at the very least, professionally trained, and held to a measurable standard of marksmanship. And yet, we still see incidents like the NYPD shooting a couple of years ago, where innocent bystanders were killed (and the suspect wounded, IIRC) in a fusillade of gunfire by two officers. A couple of years prior to that, in the city I used to live in, an officer engaged a suspect who jumped from his car following a short pursuit and attempted to flee; the officer stated he thought he saw a weapon in the suspect's hand (none was ever found), and he opened fire. The officer fired 28 rounds from his Glock 20 (a full mag dump, reloaded, and popped off over half another) without ever hitting the suspect. Oh, and his backstop? A housing project. It was a miracle nobody was hit... the buildings downrange were riddled. And that's "trained, qualified" shooters. How do you think the "average" civilian CCW holder is going to measure up?
One big advantage of a revolver is that you KNOW... and it's a constant thought in your mind when you get into a situation... that you only have 5 or 6 rounds, and that your reload is going to take, by today's standards, a LONG time. This tends to cause people to concentrate more on shot placement, because the "security blanket" of almost unlimited ammunition isn't there.
And as for the effectiveness of the shots fired, we can discuss the improved ballistics of modern auto-pistol cartridges all day long, but the reality is that the odds of anyone being able to stay in the fight after being center-punched with a decent .357 hollowpoint, even from a snubby, are pretty damn long.
And THAT pretty well sums up the pro-revolver argument from 30+ years ago when US police agencies first started switching to semi-auto pistols.
The way I look at it " it's still a gun "
Great video, I have tons of semi autos, but I've been carrying my revolver since 1990 every day, I train with it every other weekend, it works best for me 🙂
I am reminded of a time where we setup an indoor “gallery” PPC competition at a local range. I was explaining the course of fire: 12 rounds, 14 seconds, at 7 yards with a mandatory reload, 18 rounds, 6 standing, 6 kneeling, 6 sitting in 75 seconds at 25 yards with two mandatory reloads.
I’ll never forget the looks I got when I went to the line to demonstrate the course with my M586-2, 6” barrel. The guffaws were almost deafening even with ear protection on. I had my assistant call the line and finished up in 12 seconds, 120 points, 10x. Needless to say, that was not the first time I had done that and, I had been taught by a very good teacher.
Punching holes in paper is one thing, defensive shooting is another. Since all of the gangbangers around here have AK Or AR pistols with 30 round magazines, I felt the 18 rounds I could comfortably carry for the Ole’ girl put me at a disadvantage that I didn’t feel comfortable with. Now, I have a reliable semi-auto pistol, striker fired, no safety, in an Always Faithful Holster of one kind or another with a double magazine pouch along for the ride as well. Depending on caliber and magazine capacity, that can be more than one box of ammo or nearly so. 45ACP gets kind of heavy with my B21 and 40 rounds. If I carry my 9mm B17, with Glock 19X 19 round magazines, I can easily carry 58 rounds......I’ll just say this: I do not have to wonder if I am under gunned.....ever. ;)
I might start calling you "Tackleberry". Just kidding, but there's another movie reference for you to look up.
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Who could forget the cinematic masterpiece that is Police Academy?
You still have to watch Small Soldiers, double time.
An off duty police officer took on two attackers in Garland Texas with a Glock in 45GAP. The attackers had full body armor and ar15 or AK 47. He killed both and only fired 16 rounds. Shot placement is critical and courage is very underrated in defense of life. I know, I was a Firefighter for 33 years and also a Vietnam Vet.
Why do you expect to get into gunfights with over-armed gang-bangers?
Good straightforward discussion of an important topic especially mind set and proficiency. Thanks Mr. hrfunk!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Snubs have a huge advantage with contact shots as well, all guns have their advantages not on either side. But something I love about snubs is when a fight goes to the ground which they almost always do, I can shoot that snub pressed into his body wrapped up in my shirt down in the mud with the most awkward grip possible and I still have 4 more to deal with you and your “homie” or whatever. A huge advantage and I incorporate snub drawing and firing from different methods of carry into my grappling arts with my out of gym sparring partner and he does the same.
That sounds like great training!
If you need more capacity, carry 2 revolvers
Or 1 Glock.
New York ReLoad: drawing the second gun is faster than reloading the first one.
Yep.
I often carry a Ruger SP101, 3" bbl, in the 357 flavor. I'm totally comfortable with it.
And I think it's more than adequate to solve most any problem that requires its use. Thanks for watching!
Revolver will never be obsolete I have the undercover 38 charter awesome gun if you're good enough shot you don't need a high capacity clip one shot one kill
Excellent points; logic presentation. My personal favorite carry handgun is my Ruger SP101 despite the fact it sits in my gun safe next to one of my HK VP9s. I like the simplicity of a properly maintained revolver. In the end though it’s really about your assessment of the threat you may be faced with. This is truly a precision guesswork scenario. If I were in the public safety business, and I knew I could be pressed into service quickly, I’d probably default to something higher capacity.
Good video.
I carry a five-shot .38 snubbie most of the time and usually (but not always, depending on attire) a five-round speed-loader. I’m not Dirty Harry and don’t pretend to be, but given my level of proficiency and my lifestyle (very safe and boring) I am confident that I am well-armed for any scenario I might face in day-to-day life.
The market agrees; companies are still making .38 snubbies and people are still buying them, so they must not be obsolete. They’ve been making bad guys good for many decades and probably will continue to do so for many more.
The biggest thought on an argument that an auto is always better, or that the revolver is obsolete is usually based solely on the argument that any semi auto pistol will be 100% reliable, which I guarantee across the board is not the case. As far as big pistols go in moderate calibers like a full size 9mm pistol VS a 4" revolver.....well yeah the auto has the advantage as it's size and moderate cartridge will be reliable.
But a pocket pistol, forget about it. The snub nose revolver is hands down better for a pocket gun, not only does it retain it's reliability that the pocket semi auto does not, but the ammunition capacity is getting down there to negligible.
I 100% agree on comfort. While I am not the type to go totally unarmed, I probably would leave my gun in my car if all I had was a huge handgun, with the stupid thought that I could run back to it to get my gun if I needed it. Yeah dumb thought, but I could see myself doing that way due to my health. Better to have a good pocket revolver all the time. A man's got to know his limitations!
I think I've heard that last line somewhere before! Thanks for the comment Sam.
Good video. Thanks for posting.
I like both revolving and reciprocating pistols. Either can have a mechanical malfunction. In the Eighties, I finished a duty shift, then arrived at home, to discover the mainspring, inside my duty S&W Model 58 revolver, was in two pieces, rattling-about inside the grip frame. I had been an occasional user of second guns. This taught me to be a regular user of second guns.
During my October 1990 “qual,” the front sight, on my duty Colt Stainless Commander, broke loose and disappeared. I finished the qual, with no total misses of the 8-ring, out to 25 yards. I then finished the rest of my duty shift, with that pistol. I had a second gun, a snubby revolver, with me, and a shotgun, but I knew I could hit with that 1911, in spite of the missing front sight. So, two broken parts, in/on serious-use handguns, that had been thoroughly vetted, during times that mattered. One auto, one revolver.
A snubby has a short sight radius, but, it is better than shooting a gun with no front sight. Another inch of barrel helps the sight picture, and is still a semi-snub. Two revolvers means ten to twelve shots. I could go on, but this is a comment section, not my booklet.
Let’s all be safe and well!
Thanks for the great comment!
EXCALIBUR: My front pocket full of .44 Special emergency extinguishers. 😎
Excellent analogy of the revolver vs pistol. Both are still good reliable platforms and can be used with efficiency to save your proverbial bacon, if you do the required practice and are efficient with the weapon. The simplicity of the revolver is a very big attractor to some, including the new shooter, but even us OLD DUDES still like the revolver and are comfortable with it or a pistol, each has a place in a concealed carry or home defense scenario. I think today the five shot .38 Special and various .380's seem to be the favored platforms for concealed carry in my own informal survey. I find retired military and law enforcement seem to carry more powerful weapons, even if they may own the smaller caliber firearms. What they may be use to and what they are confident with I am sure that is a key here.
I agree. Thanks for the comment Sergeant Major!
As a sith, I absolutely love this video. The gun industry drives sales by scaring people into thinking that what they have is not good enough, even though in the vast majority of situations any reliable firearm will do the trick. I can't think of any gun that is so bad that spenidng $500 on a new gun gets you more than buying $500 worth of ammo and practicing, practicing, practicing with what you have.
A lot of people believe it’s possible to “buy victory” in a gunfight. If they buy just the right firearm, and load it with just the right ammo, and adorn it with just the right accessories, and carry it in just the right manner, they will be invincible. Oh, and they never have to train or practice with all that gear.
Let me take the 9mm versus 45ACP one step further and claim that the 22LR is ideal. I'm sorry to say but Kip Klingman killed 4 people with a 22. Two at close range and two some distance away. But give me a 22LR snubby with a 10 shot cylinder.
Seems to me that the highway patrol when i was younger did very well with there 357s..basket weave holsters rig...😍..thank you.
I think I would be happy to see a real leather basketweave rig again. They just looked good!
Interesting video. What is generally recognized, is that an encounter for gunfight is usually resolved in 3 shots or less fired. Ballistics testing on a 32 Caliber round vs 38 caliber round, penetration for both is about the same, but the 32 Caliber might not be as deadly when it comes to stopping power. The real question comes into view when you are faced with using a gun for protection. Is it a crowd of people such as a riot or is it one person. If it's a crowd, it's kind of like shooting flies you can't get them all and if you shoot one of them, you'll probably face a lot of legal problems. If you live in America, we are getting more and more unstable and violent. What's obsolete is respect, dignity and moral values. There are no easy answers. I carry a gun. Any gun is effective, but pray you don't have to use it. Thanks for your video.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
So many good points here. There are many good LEO stories I have heard over the years. One I like was regarding Dr Thomas Naguchi, County Coroner for LA County. He did a study regarding the LAPD and LA County Sheriffs dept deadly shootings over a number of years. At that time the LAPD carried S&W model 15s in .38 Special using a 150 GR LRN and the LA County Deputies carried Ruger Security 6 .357 Magnums loaded with a full house 110 GR JHP ... Over the many years of the study the difference between shots fired before the perp stopped what he was doing were so close, I believe the average was 1.6 verses 1.9 but the point was the study actually favored the solid lead bullet of the .38 Spec vs the lighter HP of the .357 ... Lesson learned? Well a solid bullet tends to penetrate deeper and retain more weight after hitting bone. The JHPs even thought moving with almost double the speed tended to break up and not reach the vitals as effectively. What does that have to do with anything? Well if the 110 GR JHPs had been loaded into the .38s and the 150 LRN into the .357 Mags we would probably seen the opposite result. This study had folks thinking one caliber was better than the other when actually the bullet design probably had way more to do with the situation. The fact of the greater velocity of the .357 made the not so great bullet effective enough but at the cost of more noise, flash & recoil when that was all unwanted by any Officer in a shooting situation. So many people believe a hollow point is the only way to go but many officers carrying snubs back east opted to carry full wadcutters (aka dum dum bullets in the 30s & 40s) due to their putting bad guys down quickly even though they were moving at a very slow 755 FPS. The very low recoil, noise & flash is also a real bonus when having to fire your weapon indoors or in a tight ally. Many plainclothesmen carried J frame S&W 5 shot or Colt Detective Special 6 shot snubs for decades with good results. Another LEO legend is San Diego PD was issuing Winchester Silvertip 9mm 115 GR JHP ammo and discovered that it was taking more shots to stop bad guys then their old .38 Specials. The Department switched to 147 GR JHPs and the number of shots fired went back to normal. Another was an Officer (not sure the Department) was involved in a hand to hand struggle with a burglar he caught in the act who went crazy attacking the officer with an ice pick. The Officer shot the perp 13 times with his 9mm using Federal 115 GR JHP ammo but the perp never slowed down and managed to stab the Officer several times. A CHP motorcycle Patrolman saw what was happening and drove up, pulled his Colt Combat Commander .45 and dumped the perp with one well placed shot. I always thought this story sounded a little bizarre, I have a feeling the perp was already dead but did not know it and the .45 was the icing on the cake. The Coroner was able to determine that this fellow was literally full of PCP angel dust and probably didn't feel a thing. I 100% agree that it is the training that is most important. If the only training you get is once or twice a year as some Departments do then the officer is getting robbed. I personally believe you really need to fire at least 50 rounds a week and really start mastering your firearm at around the 500 shot mark. Weekly practice even if you have to pay for it out of your own pocket is a small price to pay and always train with what you will be carrying on duty. Same holster, magazines/speedloaders, ammo etc... Just my .2¢ worth ... Thanks for another good vid & God bless
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk My pleasure and if you have any vids or books where you touch on any of these old LEO legends I would love to read or hear them.
It was explained to me in a way I can understand it.
A snub nosed 38 is a gun to get you out of a situation.
It's a get off me so I can get away to safety gun.
Perfect for an everyday citizen, that isn't rushing into danger.
But if danger comes at you, it will allow you to get away.
And a dao is about as simple as a gun can get.
I normally carry an HK P30 with 14rds of.40 but have no problem carrying my 5 shot S&W 360 from time to time.
I carry the S&W 642 in .38 Spl. all the time with a couple of extra speedloaders. This revolver is so light that I will not leave it at home when I am out and about. However, if I am going into a city where crime is much higher, I will carry my autoloader and just deal with the inconvenience, but I rarely go to the city anyway. For some reason at the age of 62, I struggle to keep my pants up with any weight on my belt and I end up flagging myself by constantly pulling up my pants and adjusting the holster. I have tried so many holsters that I have a very large box of them now. I have several shoulder holsters which work well, but the summers are so hot where I live that wearing a vest to cover the holsters makes me sweat too much. That is why the little 642 is a great compromise for me. Great video.
Thanks Doug!
Relatively new to the videos, and late for this discussion, lol. Great channel with good content!
I'm a revolver guy, learned to shoot back in Nixon's first term with my Uncle's Ruger security six .38 special, with I believe a five inch barrel(it's been a minute, lol). The first handgun I purchased was a security six. Today, I have two handguns, a Ruger GP-100 7-shot .357/.38 with a 2-inch barrel and a P-320 compact in 9mm. Couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn with the 320 using "the proper semi-auto grip". Finally got tired of trying and almost traded it back in for a 5-inch revolver. Then I started using the same grip I used on the Ruger with the 320 and Bingo. I qualified for my concealed carry with the 320.
Long story short, it's about comfort with the gun in your hand, not the gun itself, in my opinion and limited experience.
It’s important for the shooter to be able to manage and eventually master the handgun. That requires training and effort. It sounds like you did what you needed to do with the 320. Take care and thanks for watching!
I used a snubby revolver as a main or backup gun for years and it is the pocket pistol par excelleance. It can be fired in a pocket if needed and will work in a pocket with no problem. I have a kimber 6 shot 3 inch dao revolver.
Love my S and W Model 66, 2 3/4 inch. Don't have an M and P. However, whoever runs out of ammo first loses ! Good video.
Thanks Zona!
I carry my S&W 642 air weight everyday everywhere in a pocket holster and never feel lacking. It’s a very light and extremely reliable 5 shot .38+p revolver and with no hammer spur to snag it’s fast to draw . I CCW my Glock 26 in appendix Alien Gear shape shift holster on many days however the air weight is always on me no matter what . Love my revolvers!!
Great video 😁✌️🇺🇸
Thank you!
I practice my shot so i prefer them over polymer semi autos. I dont need 30 round mag. 6 and a couple in my pocket is enough for me.
Even if you prefer a semi-auto, it’s not bad to practice with a DAO snubbie. It’s harder to shoot accurately, so it will make you a better shooter in general, and with its lower capacity you’ll tend to make each round count more. When every round you fire in a real situation is going to stop somewhere, with your name on it, you’ll want to shoot fewer rounds more accurately even if you’ve got plenty of them.
I agree.
Good to see you again.... Sorry Camp Perry was cancelled this year. I was looking forward to seeing you again.
Yeah, I know. I was bummed too. Hopefully next year!
My EDC rotates between a S&W 442 (5 rounds of .38 Special +P) or a Taurus titanium snubbie (7 rounds of the same 38 +P). I have in the past carried a 5" 1911 in 45acp, a 6" Python, a Mauser HSc in 380acp and just prior to the 2 snubbies I currently carry, a 3" S&W L frame CS1. I try to live my life in such a manner as to avoid violent encounters, and for the most part that has worked out well. I have been forced on 4 occasions to draw a handgun on another human being. Twice in the line of duty while a member of the U.S. Army and twice to defend my home. In each encounter I was able to resolve the situation to my satisfaction without firing a shot. Undoubtedly this colors my perspective on how much ammo I need on board at any given time, I do carry speed loaders for which ever snubbie I am carrying at any given time. Current social conditions have started me rethinking my EDC. I have in my collection a S&W SD9VE and an M&P 40 S&W, but I recently purchased a Canik TP9DA, and once I have enough range time to feel confident in it I will probably make that my EDC. The TP9DA offers one feature that neither of my Smith autos have, the ability to be decocked and be fired in double action. Having held people at gunpoint with a cooked 1911A1 I am very conscious of the possibility of an unintended discharge of a single action pistol OR the possibility of a false charge of an unintended discharge of same. Yes I have other SA/DA autos, S&W models 39 and 439 and Beretta Model 92. The first two don't offer enough increase in capacity over my snubbies and the Beretta just isn't my favorite carry piece. I would never tell someone else what gun they should carry or keep by their bed or how many rounds were enough. As Mr Funk pointed out the very vast majority of the time a concealed firearm only provides peace of mind. But in any of those hopefully rare occasions when that concealed firearm is the only thing standing between a law abiding citizen and a criminal intent on doing harm, I want that citizen to have at hand whatever tool he or she feels is the right one for them.
Well said. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for your post. I'm carrying a 6 round snubnose revolver with 2, 6 round speed strips. So far I've never had to use one. That said, if needed I have some high capacity semiauto pistols.
HR, Great video as always!
Thank you!
For a private citizen a firearm is best used to get you away from a bad situation if it can't be avoided altogether. Law enforcement officers are better trained than most private citizens.
I like to remember Clint Smith's quote " Each bullet fired has a lawyer attached to it" either criminally or in a Civil suite.
Thanks for the video, and your insights to keep us out of serious trouble!
False about the training, any citizen with even a few full days of training are as good or better trained than your average cop
I can’t begin to remember the number of hours I spent in firearms related training during my law enforcement career, so I’m not sure what you’re basing that statement on.
I carry a snubby 38 special everyday everywhere. Work its my backup at work and everyday its on me. Its comfortable and easily concealed so its not a pain to bring everywhere.
Thanks for the comment!
@@hrfunk sorry about the bad grammar and sentence structure. The coffee had not yet been consumed. Thanks.
@@forestchicken3302 I understand, believe me!
I base what I carry on the environment I may be in as you mentioned. (Round count). I usually carry a Ruger LCR 357mag. Or my M&P Shield compact 9. Sometimes catty a FNX 40 S&W. More threat higher round count. Mostly the LCR 357 as it is small and can draw real quick. Home is the Taurus Judge 410/45LC 6.6 inch barrel. Nice having Field Artillery by the easy char! Great points as usual! Thanks!
You're welcome Dan. Thanks for watching!
Great Video ,please keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
I'm former LE and ARMY vet, I've carried a multitude of handguns over my career but now, in a civilian mindset, I lean heavily on a Charter Arms Undercover .38spl +P or my Remington RM380 .380ACP for concealed carry. I love my 1911 but like my 4" revolvers, they're hard to conceal carry on my 5'5" frame. So typically my snubby's conceal much better. In my experience, shot placement is everything and both .38spl +P and .380 have been putting bad guys in the morgue for years so I'm content.
A lot of so-called " tactical training" I am seeing nowadays are guys shooting at 75 yards plus.. focusing on quick magazine changes.. but not really training for a real threat or what's most likely to happen.. which is up close and personal.. training such as.. control of your gun.. using crumpled isosceles position to prevent your gun from being grabbed at close range.. one hand shooting.. non prominent hand shooting... Contact shots.. empty hand combat.. and use of pepper spray.. in up close and personal point blank encounters which are the majority of attacks.. my personal belief is a centennial type j frame 38 special or 357.. is the best gun you can have.. mainly because the likelihood of making a contact shot is much more likely.. with a revolver especially a concealed hammer you don't have to worry about slide clearance. You don't have to worry about slide being pushed back during a contact shot.. you don't have to worry about a blocked ejection port... And you don't have to worry about the revolver jamming during this scuffle... After all this is training for personal self defense not military service.. not shooting 75 yards in the distance... Up close and personal down and dirty scuffle..
I carried Model 10’s with a 5 inch and 2 inch barrels in the late 80’s and until my service switched to 9mm pistols in the mid to late 90’s. Never felt under gunned. In fact, my current home defence guns are a brace of Smith 686s in 357 Mag. I have several 9mm and 40 cal auto pistols but go to the revolvers by choice. I still use 158 gr 38 Spl plus P ammo in it. Old habits I guess? Thanks for the video!
You're welcome. I would say your home is well protected!
Well thought out!
As a lefty who finds the controls on most semi autos to be awkwardly placed at best I think a small six shot 357 Magnum is just a thing to get me to where I can use a long gun and solve my goblin problem. I'm really liking the Kimber one at the moment the trigger is a dream. Loaded was some small fast bullets and away we go.
Yep. A good wheelgun can be a great friend!
I prefer a more powerful round in a revolver vs ammo capacity of a weaker caliber in a auto loader. Also need to remember barrel lengths are measured different in a revolver so you need at least a extra inch of barrel in a auto loader to get the same velocities in a identical round.
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I know that I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it.
1.) Wrap one in armorers paper (anti rust)
2.) Wrap a box of ammo in armorers paper (anti rust)
3.) Put both in a plastic bag
4.) Put in one of those silica gel packs you find in most electronic boxes.
5.) Put plastic bag in your camping gear.
You'll be glad you did.
Why not simply carry the darn thing while you’re camping???? If you need it, there’s no unwrapping the darn thing from multiple layers, and if you truly need it you’ll probably be sorry you wrapped it all up and put it in a bag.
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Because I'm usually carrying something else. Sometimes multiple "something elses".
The revolver would be a backup to my backup, or a primary for someone else.
Here in the south, stuff rusts because of prolonged exposure to moisture. I take the steps (above) because that method works in high humidity environments; even on boats you take salt-water fishing.
I still grab a my little 80's production Charter Off Duty when I have to check out a weird noise in or around the house at night. I have other options available but knowing a revolver can sit loaded for literally years or even decades and still fire reliably gives me a lot of peace of mind. Besides, I grew up shooting mostly a single action revolver, so I feel like I'm overall more instinctively proficient with a revolver, even shooting double action only and omitting thumb cocking, though I have entertained the idea of a new model Blackhawk .357 mag as a home defense option. Sure, revolvers are outdated for military and law enforcement who regularly encounter well motivated and or disturbed individuals or large groups, but for me I stay too busy with work and daily life to worry about leaving my magazine loaded and the spring failing at the worst possible time. To me it's kind of like a lever action, bolt action or shotgun in the civilian world vs a mag fed semi auto in the military world, obviously there are very different requirements to be met.
We where trained with 6 shooters to serve and protect k frame 357 mag. so we had to aim right, now new cops are magazine dumping far to often .Nice video thank you
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Excellent presentation especially for shooters who are not familiar or proficient with a wheel gun. It should also be noted that a well trained shooter can shoot six shots faster with a revolver than with a pistol. The revolver can also be reloaded very fast with moon clips or speed loaders.
So looking forward to this video.
Thanks Steve!
Will never get rid of my Smith model 36 revolver, carry it more than my simi auto.
Thank you for the sensible and mature comments on the subject. We do tend to seek an absolute answer for everything, including the ideal firearm, ammo choice and president candidate. It's like Paul Harrell's statement: "Blanket statements are usually partially wrong."
You’re welcome. I like to say “only a Sith speaks in absolutes.” Thanks for watching!
Very good information and insight
Thanks Bob!
Two things about wheel guns.
They both have to be held back from gun grab Unless your hitting them in the head with it.
close combat should always have a locked strait arm in front or strait arm thrust to back them up.
Two is reloading .
You tend to have to have shell or speed loader perfectly strait for it to enter cylinder .
and many have been killed by their own cover fire and get caught reloading and fumbling bullets.
And its the shell catching on edge of holes in cylinder that causes this.
And its only been a couple years the S&W perfofmance guns have this feature.
But its a bevel on the holes entrance
that is the fix and it can be done with a right sized drill bit in your hand.
I even took mine farther using bigger drill bit beveling into my timing plate between gears
being very careful not to hit gears them selves.
Now I can come on a angle and roll into the cylinder for lickedy split reloads.
And cover fire shouldnt be used you dont know who your going to hit .
But say you have two armed bad boys coming down the hallway to kill you.
A reach around firing two blind shots making them duck and turn their heads
And lightning fast jumping in behind your sights and pumping the other four shots in them.
Is definatly the way to go .
Be relaxed not paranoid be respectful to others follow the golden rule and remember the gun
never comes out unless lifes in Grave danger.
When it comes to the revolver vs automatic pistol debate. My first thought is, why would I go to a revolver when the Law enforcement have went to using the pistol over the revolver, and the military use the auto loader pistol. Then I start thinking about the caliber debate and it just goes on and on. Just buy and use what you feel comfortable with, you shoot it well, and you just like it. Forget about all the debates and what's popular. That's me talking to myself.
That's a good conversation to have with yourself. More people should do it.