My Most Accurate 9mm Poly/Striker Service Pistol
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Even putting aside the fact the M&P was your duty gun, I'm not surprised it won. It's a great gun.
Spoiler alert!
Happy to see the M&P perform well, one of my favorites.
Damn it, I might have to get one of those Canik pistols. Springfield Armory XDM pistols are very accurate as well.
Edited: My Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 Bullshark has been the most accurate striker fired poly gun I've had, with the best reliability and round count. Wish I never sold it.
I felt the same way about both my Steyr Handguns. They were great to carry and shoot under pressure but that really left me wanting when shooting casually. A new set of standard sights would make it a better target gun, but those trapezoidal sights make it such a nice practical carry.
The M&P did pretty nice. I enjoyed it!
It's not surprising that the Canik, although not included in the actual test, turned in the best group. My TP9SFX is also quite accurate. I am disappointed that a Walther PDP wasn't included as they are fine Service Pistols with excellent triggers. I sometimes manage to put five shots on target at 25 yards with my four inch PDP that can be covered with the palm of my hand and more often shoot groups that I can cover with my full hand. That's standing, using two hands.... and I'm nearly 80 years old.
Good shooting!
The Walther would be in the same ballpark as the Canik. Depending on the day and the ammunition, either could win.
Very interesting competition. I like the way you settled the tie between the optic fitted handguns and how you kept the competition rig seperate from the duty line of pistols. Thank you for taking the time to shoot these for us.
You’re welcome Andy. Thanks for watching!
Looking forward to seeing it be the M&P.
Great video as always. My Rival Dark Side always puts a smile on my face when I take it to the range and it quickly became my favorite pistol. Followed closely by my Sig Romeo FS.
This video brought a few subjects in focus. When viewed side by side with your TISAS vs. Colt 1811 video. The accuracy of the 1911 definitely surpasses the striker fired plastic guns. However from a police duty weapon the striker fired pistol makes more sense. Remember your premature trigger release of the Colt and your finger hitting the slide release on the TISAS. I had a similar problem but more frequent than you with the Colt's trigger when I had a Sig P220 in 45acp in the single action and that was qualifying with no adrenaline rush. It came as no surprise to me that S&W M&P 2.0 won the accuracy test.
👍👍nice job sir, appreciate all the comparison videos. The m&p line has been my favorite for several years.
Thanks Lance! I'm glad you liked it.
Nicely done Sir!! Thanks!!
This was another good video test with excellent production quality. Thanks, that was helpful..
You’re welcome Frank!
Good video Howard. I own several striker fired handguns. Including the P10C, Walther PDP., and others. My P10C is by far my most accurate. In fact. I own two. I didn't care for the factory trigger so I did replace them with HBI Theta triggers (just the trigger, not the spring). I also installed the ($83) Cajun Gun Works Performance Package, the highlight of which is an extended tool steel striker.
Thanks. With a better trigger, the CZ would have certainly shot a better group. All these handguns were in factory configuration. I thought that made a more fair competition. Thanks for watching!
@hrfunk Understood. You may want to try the $65 HBI trigger (shoe) in the P10C since this seems to be your (and my) only issue with the gun.
Looking forward to the next comparison!
Accurate poly/striker service pistol sounds like an oxymoronic term. 🙂
Wow! That was fun, thank you Mr. Funk!
I love these series.
Not sure if you've done the same test with shorter barrel polymers, so I'll have to look back.
If you haven't, that would be interesting.
I've been with watching your channel for several years, and I'm so surprised you don't have more subscribers.
So many people would benefit by watching your experience and expertise.
Be safe friend!🇺🇲👍🇺🇲✌️🇺🇲
Thank you! I want to do a compact handgun version in the future. Stay tuned!
I like the P10F. The trigger has smoothed out over 500 rounds. Though the tritium night sites went dead after 2 years. I switched it out to fiber optics.
I previously owned two sigs with romeo 1 pro red dots. My p320 rxp x compact for me was all over the target. My p320 x5 legion for me shot tighter groups with the iron sights.
I have been waiting for this one, thank you sir!!
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
Thanks
Have you done a video on holsters? I don't have the variety of pistols you have but have some that finding a holster for has been very challenging. The change from system ( holster & pistol) has to not only be costly but also introduce some variables as well.
I’ve produced several videos on holsters and carry methods. If you search my channel you’ll find them.
Interesting comparison.👍 Perhaps because the first centerfire I ever shot was a K-38 made in 1952, and my first autos were Browning P-35 and a 1911, I’m a bit of a trigger snob. I’ve had Glocks and we have Springfield XD/M and 1st gen XD/S, but I favor the 1911. You’ve shown that polymer striker fired guns can be accurate - and reminded me of a time at a public range when because it was Ladies Night, my wife got a free rental if she bought the ammo. We tried a full size M&P .45 and both really enjoyed it. Smith built a winning series there.
I think so too. I’ve been a fan of the M&P pistols for years.
At the end of your series, you should do a video using pistols with either Target sights, or dot sights, with small MOA dot. Difference should be dramatic, in my opinion.
A few months back I bought a Steyr M9 A2. It is a great pistol, but the sights do take some getting used to.
I actually like those sights. They just don't lend themselves to this type of shooting.
I throughly enjoyed this video! More please!
Another good addition to your series. I hear in the background the geese are coming back my way!
The people have spoken, and the people demand more Funk!
My 4 inch M&P 9MM is a great weapon also , i am curious how the Sig 320 Legion would compare in your test thanks HR
amazing how that S&W M&P does so well.... Garand Thumb froze it and muddy'd it and it prevailed there too... $600 plastic EDC pistol..
I'm liking that IWI Masada! Very good quality and price point! Great video HR! You feed us well!
Thanks Dan! I like the Masada too. For the price, it's a great handgun.
At a rental range in PA, I tried out their M17 in 9 mm. I was very happy with the ease that I could form a sight picture and make accurate paper target groups. A wide front sight that only has to be kept level and in the middle of the rear sight, instead of a narrow front sight post. They really took their time to design these sights well. They made it easy, for me, anyway. I wonder if they kept the same sights on the M18? // WOW! That Canik was amazing. 9/16". Nice group!!!
Yes. The same sights are on the M18
@@hrfunk Thank you!
Very entertaining Video! Was happy to see the M&P 2.0 win, but was disappointed to see the Steyr M9A1 lose.
I have the Steyr L9A1 and probably need to get out and shoot it more, but I like it.
Not surprised at the accuracy of your Canik Rival, as I have a basic service Canik TP9V1 which is also very very
accurate with any 9mm Ammunition.
I recently purchased a M&P 2.0 compact 40 cal and it's my go to EDC. In my experience it's accuracy and ability to tame 40 S&W to 9mm levels of recoil is unsurpassed, and possibly unmatched.
Once again. I enjoy how detailed oriented you are in your video's. This helps out alot. I thank you for that. Yes sir 😎🤘🇺🇲 Smith&Wesson M&P 🇺🇲🤘😎. I got my M&P 2.0 metal right here by my side. Love this pistol. It will shoot off a flys d××k at 7 yards. Now after watching your videos for awhile. Im going to do the ' tac driver ' test with my M&P 2.0 metal at my local indoor gun range.
Have fun, and let me know how it goes!
I would like to see you review the Springfield XDM or XDM Elite 9MM 4.5" OR 5.0 " Full size. I gave up all my Handguns to my Son I kept the XDM .45 Tactical 5.0 " XDM 9 MM 4.5" and the Springfield Hell Cat Micro compact 9mm Taurus TX .22 Ruger LCPII .22LR. I know they are all tack drivers. The S&W M&P 10mm was hard to give up. I might pick up a Springfield XDM Elite in 10mm XS Bigdot Sight will improve the Styer pistol. Outstanding review. That Darkside pistol is accurate nice tight group.
Thanks Rick!
Great video! My Glock 22 Gen 3 and my Glock Gen 4 seem to be my top striker fire/polymer-framed pistols. However, my S&W 915, 6946, and my Ruger P345 outshoot them a bit with their dbl action triggers.
That's because you don't have an M&P.
Ah, the P345…my first pistol
You're right about the P10c trigger. Hope mine gets better.
I’m sorry to tell you that mine has not.
Great video. I have always shot and owned glocks but I am considering the smith and wesson m&p 2.0 in 40.
If you decide to get one, be sure to let me know what you think of it. I prefer the ergo's of the M&P to those of the Glock, but it would be interesting to get the perspective of a long time Glock shooter.
@@hrfunk. Will do
FWIW, you may not want to rest the magazine/mag well on the bags. You are creating both a pivot point and potentially vertical movement from the mag spring. I usually rest the area under the barrel (forward of the trigger guard) on the bags in a nice deep "V" or even your wrists only.
I like the series you do it is informative and fun to watch keep up the good work Marine
Thanks Michael. Semper Fi!
I find with my Steyr M9A1 that the sights are a little too complex. You have a front sight that is a triangle in a triangle, but with the rear you're trying to line it up inside a trapezoid and the white marks on the side are parallelograms.
I with they would have blunted the front sight a little so it matched up a bit more.
I find to be good accuracy with it it helps to set the white triangle on top of the flat of the rear sight, but it's easy to be inconsistent.
I really like these sights for fast, relatively close-range defensive work. Slow-fire precision shooting, on the otehr hand, is not what they were meant for (and it shows).
Howard, THANKS, I greatly enjoyed this video! Please keep these comparative branch accuracy assessments coming.
Now, fwiw, I want to offer a PERSONAL comment. Some years ago, I was able to get a TERRIFIC deal (from Bud’s) on an M&P 1.0 4.25 inch barrel 9mm “police model” (also available to retired military). This M&P has fine night sights, was delivered with three 17 round magazines, and (I am told) has an improved “police” barrel and trigger. It has become my Summer EDC (and often my Winter EDC, as well, although I usually prefer .45 ACP in the colder months, due to heavy clothing).
I’m 76, my eyes have deteriorated, and I don’t shoot with the frequency I did decades ago, BUT this Smith is - for me - one excellent autoloader (and, generally, I am not enamored with polymer frame / striker fired weapons). The ergonomic (with the medium grip-insert installed) are simply superb for my hands . . . and the sight / trigger are rather good. Occasionally, it’s a “tack driver,” however, it’s always darn accurate and flawlessly reliable / durable (zero failures with thousands of rounds fired).
So, with this “trip down memory lane” completed, I was most pleased that your M&P 2.0 performed so well!
Finally - and not to “bomb Pearl Harbor” - I’m one of the many folks for whom Glock ergonomics, sights, triggers and accuracy just don’t work (I own two and have shot dozens). I emphasize that the foregoing opinion represents only one guy’s experiences. But, I was pleased to see the M&P’s stellar accuracy.
Thanks Roy! I really didn't know what to expect going into this one. As I mentioned in the video, there was such a variety of sights, triggers, and ergos, I didn't have a guess for which combination (in my hands) would yield the greatest level of precision. I think truthfully, there isn't a great deal of difference in the mechanical accuracy of these handguns. Had they been placed in a machine rest, I suspect the groups would have been comparable. When fired by a human being, however, all those factors come into play (as you noted with your M&P). I found this contest to be particularly fun and informative.
It is entirely possible that my familiarity with the M&P helped it's performance. Then again, I've always favored it for its ergos, sights, trigger, etc. In the end, nothing about these tests can be considered remotely scientific, and another shooter might have completely different results. In the end, I just hope everyone watching these videos enjoys them as much as I enjoy making them. Thanks for the comment and take care.
@@hrfunk
I agree entirely, Howard. Millions love Glocks, we’re nit among them, and it’s the SYSTEM (shooter, firearm, ammunition, and subsystems like triggers and sights, etc.) that combine to create success. There are NO “one size fits all” solutions., which is what is great about freedom and capitalism.
Good morning HR. I was rooting for the Masada. Your positive review influenced my purchase of one, my first plastic gun. I think that the results showed that this class of guns is pretty consistent. On another day the order could turn out differently. Not a big change in performance between them. Go with the one that feels good to you and it will do it's job.
I think you're right on the money, John. By the way, I hope you like that Masada. I really like mine. It's a great handgun.
@@hrfunk Like it enough that I now have it's little brother the Masada Slim.
@@johnherr3579 I keep thinking about getting one of those. I don't really need it, but....
@@hrfunk To want is often greater than need. Sounds like a quote from someone famous.😀
Excellent. I'm biased toward the CZ winning but this will be great.
This was very good, hrfunk. That Canik is crazy accurate.
The P-10 deserves a consistent trigger pull, it has a great reset. The factory shoe seems the problem -- I put an Overwatch Precision shoe in mine and it fixed the strange safety tab behavior in the factory shoe. No reduction in pull weight, just a slightly shorter pre-travel/takeup and more consistent operation.
I very much enjoy these "similar firearm comparisons", but could you consider a comparison between the various class winners?
SA revolver vs DA revolver vs
Striker fired vs
Hammer fired vs
1911 (of course)?
I think this would be interesting.
As always, thank you for making me a little smarter.
I’m considering something like that. Stay tuned.
I have a S&W 1.0 40cal I picked up for 275 at a gun show. It's Police trade in and is basic but it still shoots great.
You got a good deal on a great handgun!
@@hrfunk I got it after I saw your reviews on them.
👍 really enjoy this series.
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
Once again i really enjoy this series!
Thanks Anthony. I’m glad you do!
Wow, that Canik is spot on!!!!!!
Chief, would like your thoughts on the VP9…very forgiving and very accurate, at least to a hopeless knuckle dragger like myself
I’ve seen them, but I’ve never shot one. If I do, you’ll see a review here.
The apex trigger kit in an m&p will absolutely make that pistol rival a canik.
Definitely a great series
Thanks!
love your channel keep up the good work. semper fi
Thanks Mike, will do. Semper Fi!
I own or have owned a lot of poly striker fired 9mm handguns over the years. The only popular ones I haven’t owned is the hk vp9 and canik series, although I shot those a couple of times. By far and away my Walther ppq m2 5” is the most accurate I’ve shot. 1-2” groups at 25 yards for a production pistol is crazy for a price of under $600. Do yourself a favor and grab a Walther q5 match while you can and see what I’m talking about.
I narrowed my arsenal to smith mp. And Glock. And of course 1911. Everything else has been not what I can use. Great vid!!
Thank you!
Mentioned before but please send the cz back for evaluation . the trigger is very good on the p10 series you might be represented the cz in a bad way by not fixing the trigger
I thought for sure one of the optics pistols would win I demand a rematch. I'm new to optics and my old eyes love them. For me it gives me the ability to get on target very quickly.
Speed of acquisition and accuracy at distance are the two biggest (claimed) advantages of pistol optics. I think I’m still trying to decide if I agree with those claims.
Handguns are very hard to shoot well, it depends more on what works for you than mechanical advantage of the "gun". Some hands may be to big for a good fit and grip, some may be to small. That is why I tell everyone to test shoot one when they can before they buy. That is very simplified, but that is all we need for now.
I think that's a good recommendation. Thanks for watching!
Canik for the win. If my life depends on what I carry that would be hard to not go in the holster. Thanks
I would have liked to see how a SA XDM compared. I am sure you noticed the longer you took to Aim, the further from your grouping.
Watch for an XD “type” pistol coming soon.
I have yet to see a good review on the Steyr. All in all your rankings are what I expected except for the Sig. I would of expected Sig to rank higher. No surprise on Rival Dark Side I owned a polymer and now a Rival S. Thank you for the rankings. I have seen enough of your videos to appreciate your firearm knowledge, including history, and know you can shoot!
Thank you!
Mr. Funk how about sig p226/sig p229/ Bertta 92/ s&w 59 and s&w39 I still like older service hand guns all come in 9mm the 1970 and 1980 s . I am your age and this is what we had back in the old days . Thank you. Robert Drudy
Stay tuned. I'll be working on something like that shortly.
I've never owned a CZ. I've shot a lot of them as one of the guys that got me into shooting had a lot of them.
I have three. This is the only poly/striker model I own from them. I like the metal frame pistols much better.
Thank You, Sir, for the video.
Since you used full sized 9mm, why not use 147gr 9mm cartridges?
In 9mm I always gravitate toward the 124 grain loads.
Oh, heck...
It'd better be the newer M&Ps, since I just ordered one (SKU 13567) yesterday : )
First new 9mm in THIRTY YEARS! Hard to beat at $500 after rebate (plus tax, tag, and title) for an optic-ready unit (SEVEN plates included?!?) w/tall sights. Big plus for me was that about the only way to tell it from my full-size M&P .22 is to look at the wrong end... same safety, uses the same holsters, etc. : )
Did you get the new flat trigger?
@@El_Camionero Yep... the one with the skeletonized lever in it, instead of the previous hinged trigger. Won't be here for a couple more days, then we'll see if I like it : )
They had the identical 10mm in stock (same trigger and safety) as well as the Competitor (maybe my dream 9?), and I couldn't tell any difference between the trigger on the 10 and the Competitor, so hopefully mine feels the same. I'm no fan of striker-fired (even the M&P .22 has an enclosed hammer), but the biggest advantage over my 5926 will be the lighter pull on the first shot... though I CAN cock the bobbed hammer on the 5926 using my shooting hand only, even WITH my arthritis (all four fingers have to grip BELOW the trigger guard, which is probably a good idea anyway! : )
I think all of those handguns are capable of sub-MOA groups like the m&p with the right ammunition. I've shot full size P320s, compact and subcompact glocks/m&p's out to 100yds on A-zone targets with great success once you find the right load.
I've never tried Canik or CZ handguns but your results are very surprising!
Very well done review, thumbs up and subscribed. Could you do the same accuracy test but with 1911s or revolvers?
Thanks for the sub Chris, and welcome aboard! This is the third installment of this series. If you look back through my videos for the last couple of weeks, you will find the other two. They both feature semi auto's and revolvers. The second one also has 1911's.
A little surprised at the overall grouping from these pistols. I expected better. The M&P group was closer to what I thought would be average with a couple of others closer to the Canik. My M&P 1.0 has an aftermarket trigger and shoots like the Canik. The best I have is the one excluded by test design parameters, 1911. Glad you didn't embarrass Glock by throwing one into the fray. Thanks for the comparisons.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Zeroed a brand new m&p9 full size with and rmr @ 25 yards a couple weeks ago and measured 1" group with 124 grain HST. It was Benched.
That one sounds like a keeper. Good shooting!
Need to add HK in there ,how much do you think the fact that you probably have more shooting time with the Smith was a factor
It’s hard to say. I shoot a lot of handguns, and I don’t shoot the M&P all that much these days.
Thanks for the video. Very interesting. Love to see how a Glock 19/17 and Walther PDP would have compare. But these may not be in your collection.
Sorry, I don't have either one of those at this time. If I acquire, one or the other in the future, you will see them then.
I've been toying with the idea of adding a light to my Canik Mete and taking it along for the dog's evening constitutional in stead of my Glock 20. After seeing this video, I need to get that light mounted ASAP.
That pistol continues to impress me every time I shoot it, Colonel!
@@hrfunk By comparison, I still have trouble using the sights on my Steyr. Maybe it's because I'm shooting from a bench. Regarding your Sig M18, isn't the front sight drift adjustable?
Yes, it is. That occurred to me when I was cleaning it after completing this video. I got that one wrong!
I’m surprised that you did not include the H&K VP9. This is the most accurate handgun I own. (Or is it my Canik TP9SFX?)
I don't own any H&K handguns. I'll see if I can get one in to review in the future.
Well that was an interesting Campero
At first I was expecting a Beretta or Girsan, because apparently I didn't read the title of the video correctly 🤣🤣🤣
Ok so one thing I have noticed but confirmed it absolutely in this video is your breath control. I have seen very few people that breathe in... hold it until they shoot... then breathe out and still have consistent or accurate groupings. Most people Breathe in... exhale and make a pause somewhere half way to the bottom of the breathe to squeeze the trigger. It was most noticeable when you were firing the M&P. I think another part of it might be how you have to contort your body to get into that position... arched back in a sitting position puts pressure on your diaphragm which affects your breathing... plus that arched back forces your neck into an unnatural position.
With that said, being an owner of an M&P 45 2.0, i figured of those pistol choices, the M&P would be your best shooter.
Thanks my breathing technique is some combination of precision rifle shooting and martial arts training. I honestly don’t know which one is the bigger influence.
I'd love to see a follow up with the Sig M18 vs the M&P 2.0 with the Sig firing better ammo.
The ammo was using is pretty good. For evidence of that just take a look at the group from the. Canik. There may, however, the ammunition the Sig likes better. If I get some NATO spec ammo, maybe I'll try it with that.
@@hrfunk Yeah, the SIG likes 124gr but I have shot plenty of 115gr out of it as well.
Howard, what to you attribute the difference in accuracy to? Is the trigger the driving factor? When you added in the Canik at the end, it got me thinking that, because I know the Caniks have very light clean triggers. And would the Canik trigger be appropriate for a carry/duty pistol from a safety standpoint (not wanting too light a trigger on a defensive gun)?
That's the important thing about having a human being conduct the test. All the various features of these handguns interact with different shooters in different ways. If another shooter fired, the same handguns with the same ammunition, they might get different results. For me, the sights, trigger, and ergos of the M&P all combine so as to allow me to shoot it more accurately than the other contestants. Obviously, when I switch to the.Canik, its own characteristics allow me to improve over and above what I was able to do with the M&P. Thanks for watching!
Interesting results
I figured the M&P would be at the top. They really are great guns.
I'm not surprised the M&P won this; of all the duty handguns presented, it's the one you have the most experience with. You've shot them more, carried them as your duty weapon for years, and are the most comfortable with them. Oh, and it's a great handgun too; mine has been nothing but fantastic to shoot. I'm glad ot was my last handgun purchase before the "handgun transfer freeze" took effect here in Canada.
I'm glad too. At least you got something that should lkast for a long time.
My old M&P 9mm 2.0 (7&8 rnd mags) shoots very well! Also has the integrated Crimson Trace Laser. It is my most often carried EDC cordless hole puncher!
I know it's after the fact, but would love to see you put the Walther PDP 5" barrel through the test. Maybe later?
Maybe. If I get one you’ll see it!
As a reviewer I think it is worthwhile to develop skill in benchrest shooting so you can compare the accuracy of an individual handgun. Duty pistols and defensive pistols don't normally require a high degree of accuracy but if you want to shoot targets for bragging rights, you want to hunt small game, or you need to make a long defensive shot then accuracy can be important. I don't have much respect for reviewers who shoot a handgun at 5 yards at a large steel target and pronounce it to be accurate, you could do the same thing with a 300 year old flintlock.
If you have any doubts about your ability with the sights or trigger, or the consistency of your rest, it is valid to shoot 5 or more shots and discount one or two fliers. The Canik group vindicates your ability as a shooter.
With open sights I recommend using targets with a dark colored square aiming point because it will relate better to the handgun sights, maybe 2" square or so at 15 yards. This will help with sight alignment.
I think if you were to shoot a regular Canik tp9 sf, you would’ve gotten the same outcome. It’s that crisp and very short trigger pull.
I spent hours filming a similar 3 way battle at 25, 50, and 15 yards the other day (scheduling of the ranges made me go out of order) w/ some Rare/Obscure ones that hopefully is interesting once I edit. If his Canik isn't included, and some have RDS, the ones with RDS and a half way good trigger should win. Is "Practical Accuracy" a thing, what you can get standing offhand?
The thing I notice with the optics when it comes to precision shooting, is the greater movement that your shooting eye perceives. By comparison, iron sights "look" steadier and you can focus on breaking a good shot.
My M&P 2.0 Pro Series 5in is literally the most accurate 9mm I've ever shot. Followed by my 2.0 4.25in then my SIG Nitron, and my Canik TP9SF... Last up is my Springfield xd9.
Accuracy is an interesting concept. Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value. In shooting, that is the center of the target (or whatever we are shooting at). Precision refers to how close measurements of the same item are to each other. Again, in shooting, we call this "groups"/"groupings". *ALL quality firearms are designed to be relatively accurate and precise.* HOWEVER, there are many other variables that affect accuracy and precision - some controllable and some not so much. Obviously, ammunition, sights/sighting system, environmental conditions and user intervention all play a part.
Having said all that, it does seem that certain firearms affect ones shooting accuracy better than others. For me, my stock $479 S&W M&P9 2.0 shoots amazingly accurate for me. I notice that I have to concentrate much less when shooting a competition/qualification with my M&P versus my SIG or other firearms. In contrast, I shoot my SIG much faster (great trigger), but I have to definitely confirm my sites when shooting precise targets (head shots, between no shoots, etc.)
Correct assessment. I have a couple m&p9s, both used and are the pistols im most precise with 👌🏼
@@762x69 This distinction (and correlation) between precision and accuracy gets covered well at Appleseed shoots. But in common language, people frequently say "accurate" when a marksman / precision shooter would say "precise." The audience understands precision as "accuracy," in most cases, I think.
It's best displayed, IMO, on a pistol that needs a sights adjustment. The rounds pattern well on target (for POI), but they are not at the POA. Precise, but not accurate. A non-shooter would not like hearing "that's a precise pistol!" and would say, "none of them hit the place you were aiming." He's not entirely wrong, is he?
@@seanoneil277 Well put. Ammunition also plays a huge factor in precision (as well as accuracy). I am reminded of this fact sometimes when shooting range ammo and then switching to premium self defense ammo. At 10-20 yards shooting American Eagle is fine - maybe 2 - 2.5 inch groups without even trying - which is more that acceptable for Alpha or Down Zero hits. But I will switch to some HST ammo and they tighten up significantly, like cut in half or more.
This is even more exaggerated when shooting a PCC (longer barrel AND 3 points of contact). The same IDPA/USPSA stage I can stack shots with my MP5 or MPX. This is why I like a PCC for home defense - well at least an MP5 or MPX.
@@papimaximus95 Thank you. There's a pretty stout difference between the Sig V-Crown 115gr and my typical training rounds at either 115gr or 124gr (Blazer 115gr, Norma both grs, PMP 124gr, S&B 124gr). The V-Crown is much more precise in all 3 of my pistols. It's precise in my PCC but there, it doesn't like to load from the magazine after the first chambering & firing. I haven't looked into why exactly, but the V-Crown nose profile I'm sure is the culprit.
It's the same in .223/5.56 bulk training ammo vs a decent round with one of the Sierra HPBT. You don't have to be accurizing your rifle in any other way but choice of ammunition, and don't even have to handload, to see the differences.
I've tried a dozen different pistols but every one of them had warped barrels. Especially the smaller ones 😃
How could you tell they were warped?
@@hrfunk
Sarcasm
I'm surprised the Sig M18 didn't do as well mine is very accurate but then again that could be just be me
I was surprised too. It might have just not liked that particular ammo.
The assessment of the accuracy of any gun is dependent on the person yanking on the trigger. That they have target that presents a good sight picture. That they shoot off a solid rest, there are very few shooters of the a shooter like Brian Zins. Many guns are more accurate than people give them credit for. But, the other part of the equation is that not all guns like the same ammo. One of my favorite reloads is Hornady 9MM (0.356) 125gr HAP with Alliant Power Pistol. I use it for accuracy potential of a 9MM gun.
I like the HAP bullets too, but I don't see them all that often.
@@hrfunk Yeah Hornady sells them in bulk boxes of 500 or in the cases of 3000?
Another great video! You just seem to shoot Smith&Wessons very well, regardless of caliber.
I think my had has just formed to the shape of their grips. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk you definitely had a lot of experience with the M&P over your career
The canik is basically a Walther clone so I’m not surprised it shoots tight groups like that.
Nice video. How about you use six different ammos all loaded one bullet each in the same order for each gun? I think that would eliminate ammo choice being a factor.
Now that's an intriguing idea.
Again like @bjs301 said...no surprised the S&W won. Very underrated Pistol
Are ransom rests even available for polymer guns? I thought they required grip inserts.
Good question. Now that you mention it, I'm not really sure.
Mr, Funk how about 4 in service revolvers of the 60/70 s s&w 10/15/19 and colt trooper. I think to make it fair shoot 38 sp . And hoslters in police work 1950 s to 2023 Thankyou
I’ll see what I can do.
I share your skepticism of benching pistols. Maybe both bench and standing would shed light in these comparisons.
The only issue I see with that is trying to quantify the results. Maybe I could add the size of both groups together, and look for the smallest combination? I'll have to give that some thought. Thanks for watching Craig.
HR, and any others that might know, do you know if the CZ trigger on your gun is something others have reported as being an issue? I am curious, as I have been looking at perhaps buying one. I do not like the idea of buying a gun with the knowledge that the first order of business should be to replace the trigger. In my opinion, it seems self-defeating.
The trigger on the P10C is as serviceable as any of the others. My issue with that handgun has always involved various reviews wherein the trigger was hyperbolically praised. I expected the P10C to have a trigger more like the one in the Canik that was in the video. What I found was the trigger on this particular P10 (and every other one I've ever tested) is so-so to average. I have also come to understand that many of the P10 aficionados have installed aftermarket triggers in their pistol. If you are looking for a defensive handgun, I think the P10C will serve you well. If you're looking for a competition, pistol, you should either look at something else or expect to replace the trigger.
Need to include the 226 if u wanna go classic or
For sure the PDP walther
This one covers poly/striker pistols.that pretty much excludes the 226.
It's getting kinda serious about what the Turkish companies are producing!
HR, how about most accurate da/sa metal frame test!
Stay tuned!
Don't you think, Experience matters, have you been shooting , M&P's for a Decade plus? You know that trigger better. GOOD VIDEO.