Why are Road Cyclists Reluctant to Change?
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- čas přidán 20. 04. 2024
- There have been a lot of changes with bicycles and road cyclists always seem reluctant to try the new thing!
Here are a few examples of new technology that road cyclists have been slow to adapt.
What things have you been reluctant about?
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A lot of these upgrades you mention were just a case of buying the new kit and fitting it to your bike. However the upgrade path from rim to disc brakes is a new bike. Something you are going to be reluctant to do if you have a good, top quality frame, wheels and groupset.
Just discovered this channel. I'm 75 years old, raced in Texas 45 years ago, and have been riding mostly every day since then. I like your down-to-earth scripting. I agree with you, but I want to throw in my personal irritation. One of my five bikes is a city bike built up a few years ago on a 1972 Ron Kit time trial frame with early 70s clincher wheels built by myself, Universal Super 68 short drop side-pull brakes, Regina freewheel, Campy derailleurs, Brooks saddle, etc. It has a modern crankset with I think 40-28, which lets me run a Regina 14-24 at age 75. When I first built up this frame as a racing bike in the early '70s, I bought the first edition of Sutherland's and I still have it. Everything you needed to know to build a bike from the ball bearings up. It is a little more than half an inch thick. The bicycle was then, a simple, precision machine, Now it is a very complicated and not-so-precision machine.
Long live rim brakes and mechanical shifting! I specifically bought a 2021 model LOOK because I knew it was the last model with the features I wanted. I will never buy another bike.
Mechanical shifting sucks, rim brakes, maybe
No it's not a resistance to change. You are being unfair, if you spent 6000 euros on a rim brake bike then 1 year later someone tells you that the bike is not good and not fit for purpose I think you would be upset. If there's unlimited funds one can have always the greatest and latest.
problem with new tech is not everyone can afford it . I still use rim brakes and mechanical shifting .all dura ace . and carbon wheels .and probably stick with it .
Also discs are a real PITA when it comes to maintenance... I don't think they are 100% ready for bikes, TBH.
The crash with Vinegaard, Roglic, Evenepol, etc was obviously caused by disc brakes locking the wheel when they tried to avoid Natnael Testafion. Disc brakes were designed for cars, and ABS is recommended, also nothing to align or set the clearance (at least on my Shimano hydraulic), that's a real regression compared to rim technology!
@@DR_1_1 You find disc brakes that bad? I have disc and rim brakes and rim is not without its limitations. Wet braking on carbon rims? Replace your disc rotor or replace your rims? And bust a spoke on a disc wheelset will be less likely be an issue getting you home due to the rotor being fixed to the hub rather than a wobbling rim.
Alignment shouldn't be an issue if the discs aren't warped (of course rim brakes can still rub if the wheel is out of true!), just use a disc clearance tool. If discs are getting warped on a regular basis have a look at something like Hope's floating discs that deal with disc expansion/contraction in a better way.
HTH!
@@phil_d Sorry, but why would I need to replace my brake rims??? I have 25+ years old rims that are still perfectly fine, I just replace the rim pads from time to time, rarely need to true the wheels, and anyway rim brakes offer the possibility to easily correct the alignment and spacing of the pads, in case the wheel would be slightly warped - none of that exists on callipers!
On the other hand my bike with disc brakes (less than 1000 km) has both rotors on the 2 front wheels slightly warped for no reason! I had to use a plier to stop them making noises! both were perfectly true when I bought them, I did the recommended procedure, bedding in (yet another complication that wasn't needed with rim brakes), no crash, no competition, I'm not even 80 kg, bike is less than 10 kg, they are all Shimano rotors, DT-Swiss wheel... I won't buy new rotors every 1-2 months, that's crap!
Sorry but that technology seriously needs some redesign.
@@DR_1_1 im going to switch to disc brakes on my next roa d bike solely because i live in pyrenees and i am a terrible descender, braking way too much than is required. so i overheat the rims. with disc brakes i won't get inner tube exploded due to heat.
@@mateuszzdyb3547 Just don't use 18 grams TPU's maybe, people have used rim brakes since decades without any tube exploding.
change cost a lot. why bother changing if you can go out and ride a bike, maybe marginally slower than you'd do it for extra bucket of money? most of us won't win TdF anyway
Great vid, gotta say i run a pretty old school setup. Steel single speed, rim brakes, flat pedals with straps. I do use 32c tires, with latex tubes though. Rides like a dream.
For me it's the cost that makes me slow to adopt new tech. I have a carbon road bike that's almost 5 years old now. I would love to have some of the newer tech but upgrading is so expensive and some things you can't upgrade to without buying a whole new bike altogether. My bike still rides fine, so all that money spent would really only give marginal gains.
It is not the new stuff we are not happy about, we welcome progress. It is the crazy prize tag we against. Not all new stuff is better, the quick-release is not broken but now it gets shelved for no reason.
Went from steel to alloy four years ago and from v-brake to hydraulic disc four days ago 😅
In the budgetland so many bikes are equipped with "obsolete" tech, but hey, you'll never know that the Panda is a cheap car until you ride a BMW or a Mercedes
True but if all that you can afford is Panda than it's all good, it will take you to your destination within your means....
Based on comments I've read herein, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Coming from canti as I use cx bikes the disc brakes are very welcomed and love it is easy to find wider road tires now.
My main issue so far is that rotors get bend without any shock. That and maintenance which is real PITA compared to rim brakes, almost every time I replace the front wheel (I have 2 sets), the rotor touches the calliper! and there is no way you can make it perfectly true again!
I've fixies, back pedal brakes, rim brakes, hydraulic rim brakes, canti, V's, mini-V's mechanical disc brakes, cable-actuated hydraulic disc brakes, full hydraulic disc brakes etc etc. I've had all tyres and Road Tubeless over 14 years and besides tubulars, all inner tube types, including the TPU with chips on them. Does technology really, absolutely matter? Each of my bikes can still be a joy to ride, and gets you from A-B. It's just the todays manufacturers trying to force 'progress' to the public for the sake of their profits and ROI for their R&D, not for anything else.
I ride with straps........handy not to have to use cycling shoes....😁
If it is not simple, ordinary person will not ride it.
My disc brake bike, each time i take wheel off it take me half hour to realign the brakes
Before even watching the video I'd say we hate the change because you can spend thousands on a bike that has the "latest tech", for a year or two down the line it be considered old and can't find spares as easily.
Road tubeless is a bridge too far
Interesting, though I would say that better does not mean everything else is rubbish. I use rim brakes, they're carbon fibre and were made for me (125g for the pair - beat that, oh no you can't can you..). They stop brilliantly, they stop in the wet brilliantly. I also use tubulars (Conti Competition, 19mm pumped to a healthy 120psi), which I shall use to my dying days, because they everything I could ask for. We are repeatedly told [by people armed with a dangerously small amount of scientific rigor] that fat tyres barely pumped up is faster. My set up is ideally comfortable and by comfortable I don't mean Granny doling out sweets and kissing it better, I mean a sharp eyed companion pacing me by pointing out the condition of the road. This give me the confidence to go as fast as I wish. Remember unless you're a professional racer faster is not an answer to anything.
“The industry will actually FORCE IT UPON US…that’s just how the industry works”….Really? How’s that going for them? I think a lot of people just enjoying riding a bike and aren’t trying to LARP the TDF. Many of us like being able to maintain our own bikes and prefer something more reasonable to work with in terms of cost, durability, and everyday functionality.
The problem is you really don't need much to go fast on road. A light deep wheel, a proper stiff frame is all that matters to me. All these features are already well developed ages ago at reasonable prices to boot. Now, they're telling you need 2mm more tires, hidden wiring etc. at 4 times the price for some unnecessary cosmetics overhaul. I find that absurd. Now MTB tech on the other hand....
For me personally its not so much about reluctance but cost. I know electronic shifting and disc brakes are better. However, electronic shifting is really expensive and I have 3 road bikes with rimbrakes, meaning I have 3 sets of wheels for rimbrakes as well, this would mean I need to invest into a new frame and new wheels to change to disc brakes and if I upgrade parts, I cant shift the old parts down to my winter bike or city bike.
Cost and ease of maintenance are part and parcel of performance, not just outright performance on the road. In that sense, I don’t think disc brakes are clearly better than rim for the road.
I have always bought into new technologies. I just wanted to try the stuff for my self. So yes I have disc brakes and Di2. But I still have a love for the vintage because it worked so well and needs to be remembered. So I recently contracted a custom steel frame builder to make me a frame and fork that is rim brake, mechanical gearing, and uses non-aero aluminum rims with 25mm tires. No carbon on this bike. It won't be used for racing, only club rides to show off it's beauty and remind me of my first bike that I loved riding for 22 years.
I spy a jar of Vegemite on the shelf behind you!! How do you ever acquire a taste for that.....sh....I mean stuff??!! Anyhow....at 73, my custom built 1979 Trek w/Columbus tubing is still as fast as my 2010 carbon road bike and 2009 MTB!! I really can't afford to do any upgrade or purchase anything newer!! So, I'll just be happy with what I've got!! Very happy I haven't fallen victim to and e-bike!!!! Slainte!!
Vegemite is delicious … we may be bit weird in Australia 🤪
DISC FOR DIRT RIM FOR ROAD ALSO MY CABLE STI s still work for me l m going to spend 2k on electronics any time soon !! l also run tubes and all you high tech pushers can get stuffed l have better things to spend my money on than trendy garbage trying to keep up with the Jones :) Same for vehicles !!
dude doesn't look as old as downshifts
Maybe it’s the light 🤷🏻♂️
Why change, there is no need braking power is the same the feeling not. The investment is always steep jou always need to chage the frame in the last weejears
rather have steel. i seriously doubt anyone will be riding one of today's carbon bikes in 2050. by contrast, steel frames from 70s and 80s can still be viable. this forced change is about making money for the industry
Yes. That’s the real reason people are resistant to change. Maximum outlay of money for minimum marginal benefit.
Where's the mullet gone? 😮
I’m not reluctant to change when it comes to the mullet. It’s becoming too common 😝
yeah nah as long as there are bikes with rim brakes ill ride rim
im not gonna switch to a system that has problems with bleeding, rubbing, warping and over heating, not to mention the weight and price penalty you pay for a supposedly "superior" system
Stupid racing rules. Imagine the bikes we’d have now if there weren’t the limitations placed on them. Amazing drive trains, perfect brakes, super comfy frame geometries.
Yeah true, I started in 82 on a Hanimex bar end shifters. In 87 I went to keywin pedals on the track, can’t use them on the track they said, then look pedals in 88, then time pedals in 89, same negative comments, then the full styrofoam helmets - they look silly was the comments. Bought a giant tcr in 99 - they will never take off to radical was the comments. Went up to 24” tyres - are you sure they won’t slow you down were the comments. It’s the classic 3 stages of truth if anyone wants to look that up if you don’t know it.
I am now for 3 years into cycling. Bascially bought last year a frame, because I couldnt get a new Rim brake bike. maintenance is way easier, I rarely ride in the wet, just flats where I ride and one big factor I have to right from time to time through heavy traffic. You will panic break in Traffic, its just way safer with rim breaks. I would agree, if you ride on terrian, where you break frequently disc are properly better.