Cheating on Zwift | How effective is Weight Doping?
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2019
- Cheating on Zwift is a massive subject especially when it comes to weight doping. I couldn't find any evidence of how effective weight doping is on Zwift, so I decided to have a look in Zwift thanks to my good friend Guus Bouman. KISS Super League was a victim of this the other week with Ian Bibby, Jon Mould and Cofidis being called out for a starter. I share my thoughts on cheating on Zwift, weight doping and other subjects in this video. What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Do you disagree? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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i agree totally. I started my training at 98Kg less than a month ago. I just checked my weight this yesterday and scale says 93Kg. I was completely taken aback at how much i lost. The same works in reverse...especially with long travel times. Water retention is a real thing. A persons weight can fluctuate by 2kg at any given point in the same day.
I agree with half of what you’ve said, Chris. Transatlantic flight, and a few salty American meals from the hotel restaurant can absolutely - 100% - bump up one’s weight 5 to 6 pounds. Ask any medical professional. It’s a fact.
But Cmon Chris!! There is no excuse for a 17.6 pound weight discrepancy of a Pro Rider, however. That’s cheating via weight doping, pure and simple - black and white. Dude...
You can gain 3kg of weight over 6 days if you eat something like 10 extra cheeseburgers a day. But since he is well trained he also burn more calories. And a weight is not hard to manipulate. Stiffer springs in an analog scale for example or adjusting the calibration potentiometer in an digital.
Great work Chris.
I am looking forward to your examination of trainer accuracy, cheers!
Oh yes! Cheers Greg! 😊👍
@@chrispritch: Chris can you test mine, I am sure it is reading 150w too low.
You butchered my name into oblivion.....
😂😂😂😂 sorry man 🙏
NAME HYPE hahahaha
Solid repeats there mate 💪🏼👌🏼😆
Geese, goose?
Goose Boo-man?
Trainers are definitely a big variable in Zwift. On a dumb trainer I had a 300 + FTP. When I switched to a Kickr Snap two months later my FTP went down to 280. With the switch to a 2017 Kickr a year later my FTP went down again to 255 Watts where I sit now. I can even see a wattage difference in ERG mode compared to my Assiomas (which read a little less than the Kickr) Trainers matter! Keep up the great work Chris!
Cheers OYL! we'll be looking in to trainers soon!!
Yes they matter. But someone should be able to get a idea of its own FTP. With 250 Watts someone for sure is not going to be extremely fast on flats but with 300 W one should be relatively comfortable at 35 kmh on a normal road bike (which takes around 250 W of power to get to)
I guess i'm lucky. i got a set of Assiomas and they validated my old fluid trainer's wattage within 3 watts. I use the lower reading, newer meter for races, but i could see the value in changing the data source in training to see how much faster you'd be with a 1% increase. Similarly, I could appreciate the value of lowering your weight by 5 kg or so in training to get a sense of how much faster you'd be if you cycled off a little extra weight. It makes sense, so long as you change back before a race.
Definitely agree Zwift need to get this right, this should be their premier event that really showcases what zwift is about. we should be debating how great each race or rider was in the super league not talking about weight or height doping but because zwift haven’t really gone far enough in demonstrating how they plan to keep it fair we just end up discussing the holes in the system and any anomaly just looks like cheating.
On a slightly different point, zwift as a platform is just not set up to be a spectator sport. Unless you’re at an actual event with the riders in a room on big screens it just doesn’t work from an entertainment point of view. I enjoy the various youtubers streams as I can seem them and how they are interacting in the race. Zwift needs to sort this before it can really make the most of having pros racing on its platform.
I’m new to Zwift and I like it because it mitigates the maddening drudgery of riding indoors. That being said I’ve raced as an amateur for many years and I realize that Zwift apparently considers weight as a key function and my unscientific analysis tells me that climbing is harder for me for instance than in the real world for some reason also shouldn’t a heavier/wider rider have more of advantage descending? I’m positive that at 90kg I’m going to descend faster than a rider at 60kg but the difference if any in Zwift appears negligible but then again it’s just perception I guess either way I still find Zwift very motivating and like everybody says you’re only cheating yourself with weight doping
Pretty clear cut to me. People are generally biased in selecting their weight (ie selected lowest through the day or rounding down) and this was exacerbated on the day as travelling contributed to them retaining water and being particularly heavy. Video weighins should sort this out.
However, Cofidis guy lowered his weight in Feb from 64 to 62, then weighed in at 70 a month later, he absolutely knew what he was doing. No professional in the middle of training is putting on that weight.
Miller's video has been removed??
The weight doping thing doesn't bother me, personally I try to keep my weight accurate. If there are weight cheaters in any of the races I enter, who cares? I still get a bloody good work out. At the end of the day It's just a video game. Love the videos by the way, great sense of humor :-D
Great video. When I go on holiday I don't go toilet for about 5 days get proper backed up and probably weigh about 6kg heaver.
there is also scale calibration. i have tested a 45 pound weight plate on 4 different scales and none agreed.
cheating happens in all sports the only thing we can do is mitigate it. i agree about the powerups in game, they shouldnt be available in races unless everyone gets the same powerups.
Is there an ideal weight with a static height where you break even for a combined effort that incorporates flats, descents, climbing, etc into one course?
I was expecting this video soo much earlier than this but thank you cause I’ve been waiting.
Edit: Watching you count your fingers is hilarious 😂😂😂
Definitely compare different trainers next, love this great videos 👍
Cheers Matt!!
Hey, nice video. as always ;-) I agree with Shane however when he says, part of a pro's job, is to make sure his weight is right, because he's getting paid for it or making a career out of it. And stepping on a scale is actually a pretty easy part of the job. Personally my weight differs a lot (!), but I couldn't gain 2 kg just by one or two meals. Anyways, I ride on Zwift for training to keep fit over the winter and socializing. For me there isn't even a point in cheating there. Would be just self-betrayal. Zwift is great for hobby riders and fun races. But I think professional road bike e-sports just isn't there yet to be taken too serously. yet.
Chris L. How the world has changed.
Really looking forward to the trainer / power meter comparisons!
I have an elite direto that gives me higher power (300 watts vs 282 watts from my crank arm power meter) both are calibrated.
@59kg (58.1 - 59.75kg range, while we are on the subject) and 1.68m the difference in power is pretty big (especially) for a climb. I would only use the crank arm power for races.
Not sure which of them is correct, the direto is supposed to be very accurate but is higher.., the crank arm power meter is only left side.
The % difference seems to be bigger at lower wattage.
The question still stands... Am i right to use the crank arm power meter or Is my right leg really stronger and am I cheating myself by using the lower indicating power meter.
I have also noticed that I put out more power on average when the trainer difficulty is lower or even 0% (I remember seeing a table with wattage vs speed for the direto and I was able to get outside of the area on a 0% difficulty setting)
Keep up the good work Chris!
Hi Niels............ Completely agree re 0% diff setting. It still takes me a similar amount of watts to get up a hill, but at the top my legs feel fresher and am able to push on. With 0% diff you don't feel uphill gradient changes but you still fly down the downhills.........so 0% does not equal a flat road. I've heard of riders changing to 0% diff for races only !!!
Weight changes. If I sleep poorly or am dehdrated, I can fluctuate by 1 or 2 kg.
The racing thing is a tricky issue. Races in Zwift are an amazing motivator for me to do a hard workout (high TSS / IF) instead of intervals.
But before we can take it seriously as a sport, it needs a governing body to write and enforce the rules, covering:
- trainer calibration
- weigh-ins
- legitimacy of races across other e-platforms
etc.
I don’t think Zwift want to do this as it’s in conflict with their business goals of getting as many paying subs as they can.
I’m not going to lose much sleep about this. It’s fun marketing but there are the classics to watch for real racing! 👍
Want to ask why my magene trainer is more heavier to get exact watt than my real bike?
besides the weight. what about the power meters. how accurate are they. can you manipulate it easily? you can calibrate some of them yourself.
Can't work out if you did this as a straight rebuff to Shane's video but interesting piece. I've worked on my ftp for over a year & just made it into B Cat w/kg. Tried a couple of races now and finish down amongst the C Cat rides but that's fair enough, not gonna play with my height & weight as it defeats the effort of trying to be the best I can be. Enjoying your posts
Cheers Darren... Ye its a tough one mate like you say you've just gotta grin and bear it....and enjoy it as much as you can!!
A little... I just thought we needed a little balance before everyone took it out of hand and accused these guys of doing something they hadn't... Or at least giving another point of view that might get people thinking
Another great video however, most of us ride in the peloton (at least for most of the race) ... does weight or height doping affect this type of riding? Is this possible to sim? Keep up the good work!
Wynn great Question..... I'm really not to sure about how we'd go on in testing in a group... however I think it will affect it down to the fact in the draft you save around 30% of watts.
I LOVED this video!!!! Pretty damn AWESOME!!!
Hi Chris, I’m only just in D group and have done a race trying to keep up with 2.1 watts and then having someone in the same group banging out 4.5 wats they are only cheating themselves.
At 195cm and 93kg I just did AdZ in 60:15 🙃 I can't wait for the next attempt 😊
Maybe some kind of tech device, such as a spindle mass sensor on a Kickr unit and for the front, a spindle mass unit on a Kickr Climb. The readings would be continual throughout the race and not just one reading, so those hopping on the bike with one foot on the ground to offset weight wouldn't work. Any deviations through the race would get you DQ'd.
The other day my weight fluctuated 3.5 pounds over the course of the day so that I was definitely heavier at night but back down to where it was the next morning. I don't think it is feasible to police average riders like myself but for those racing in promoted leagues perhaps weight should be taken at some point shortly before the race and adjusted in game accordingly? Everyone's weight fluctuates every day so I don't know the solution is. Should we take everyone's weight at night when we are all heavier? I just measured my height and came up with 183.365cm (down from 188cm that I thought I was) and put in 183cm on zwift but felt bad and raised it to 184cm without shoes. Should I have measured my height with the shoes and cleats on? Either way, this whole topic is a deep rabbit hole. At some point you have to either accept that it is possible on some level to enjoy eRacing for what it can be on the one hand, or be one of those who thinks all of these unknowns makes the whole endeavor a complete waste of time as nothing can be trusted. We shouldn't forget that regardless of a kilo here or there, there's some serious wattage being thrown down and real people suffering for our entertainment.
Well said AARon. I for one bloody love racing it gives me the buzz that training simply doesn't! One day they'll find the right solution... Or at least they'll have to try as more and more money comes in to it! If I get beat by a guy who is a kg or so below his weight I have no issue I've been know to race a Kilo under if I've not weighed my self for a week or two and I've spent at least three months racing at a weight 8kg heavier on Zwift!
Great ideas
I agree power ups detract from the real experience , let alone racing.
Now my avg weight is around 72.2kg but trought a day I can easily get from 69.5-74.9 based how I eat or drink due to my 2 training's a day. So weight changes are not big deal I think
What bikes do they ride in the Kiss league? That is a big question.
Depends if your team is sponsored by a frame manufacturer in the game!
the way i would weight dope is by increasing my weight so my w/kg goes down so i drop down to lower category so i can be more competitive raw watts wise. (racing against watt monsters suck!)
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You should call these videos, "The How to cheat in Zwift" , series. I saw a guy at the zwift cafe tonight riding 5 cm shorter and 5 kgs lighter than he really is. And he put the trainer at 25%. People were pissed but then again, he paid his money. I had never seen people cheat with their height until after you did that height doping video. Funny until we wins something!!!
There’s a Zwift cafe where you live? Now that’s cool!
im sure it wouldnt be much to add a smart scale input to the top level races half an hour before the race.
You should do a race with a gaggle of geese
2kg is a normal daily fluctuation - in fact can even change that much during a [long] ride. Consistent 2kg+ at a live event may indicate that the scales are over-reading (I know I'm being kind). 8kg over though . . . err no! (although possible someone else set up his account and guessed his weight - or something stupid like that). Would be really good to get statement from Colfidis on this as they were also guilty of not even properly racing some of the events - i.e. what exactly were they getting out of it (I'm guessing Zwift paid them though).
"If I had a pound for everytime somebody mentioned the word "wait." Well then, just stop weight and height doping and you won't be too fast for anyone Chris...
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Guus 👍👍👍
You love zwift don't you...... awesome video
I'm 92kg and averaging 250 watts over a 2h race and I get dropped in D grade lmao
Put everyone on the same bikes and wheels too
But keeping powerups was one of the founding principles of KISS, as it was a reaction to other leagues mandating against the use of powerups and which bikes you could use. At least, that's how I remember it.
You're right Daren.... But I think it's now come to the point, especially in the super league where power ups get issued once per lap to everyone and scrubbed if they aren't used and the same power ups are given to everyone... Or scrapped.
@@chrispritch I've said similar. either give all riders one of each power-up, to use once each whenever they want. Or keep it random but wipe them in the final kilometre. That way keeps the randomisation, but means it's not all about who has one in the last 300m.
I understand but while hard I try to remember it is a game not life.
p.s. Is he using an ANT+ transmitter to do these "efforts" rather than actually doing them?? (i.e. an actual way of cheating!)
I have a friend that on the road he has never put out more than 130 watts, even on a short ride of less than 10 miles his power numbers are between 100 and 120 watts. On group rides on the road he is instantly dropped, yet on zwift he is able to put out well over 200 watts for 90 mins. It just makes me laugh as whenever he dares to venture out on the road even on an easy ride he is dropped straight away.
Having seen this first hand now when I see people posting big power numbers on zwift I take it with a pinch of salt.. it means nothing until you can produce it on the road..
That sounds pretty low as I can do 110 watts using my arms (not on a real bike).
Perhaps it's his gear ratio
My thought is train Tall and Heavy to trick myself come raceday.
The suspenseful ending!!!!
I agree that 2 or 3 kg weight fluctuation isn't actually that much. I typically fluctuate by this up to 4 kg throughout the day (especially if traveling).
I see Shane's rant as more another tick against Cofidis not taking the Zwift esports arena seriously.
It doesnt take long to adjust your weight so weekly weigh ins should be doable, I accept still not perfect but close enough - height doping is just wrong. To be honest I think the biggest issue is trainers, dumb ones, power calibration. The future surely if it is to be serious will be smart trainer accuracy.
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HYPE! How does it feel to be a celebrity? (Even though non-dutch people will never say your name right...) :P
Lord Di Lego feels great man, i cringe everytime.....
It’s a simple cheat; remembering trigonometry weight can have a massive effect on speed on climbs.
But these people are cheating themselves really
3kg difference is possible within 24 hours due to food intake and water retention.
Chris.....not sure that Cofidis being an 'old school team' around since 1999 has got much to do with anything. I started racing in 1968, so was 'old school' long before Cofidis even started. I race on Zwift & am fully aware of the issues around weight doping, so I cannot understand why a professional cycling team entering a professional league would have an excuse of ignorance.
Playing a game is by any means not serious especially simulating cycling xD. I think that alot of cyclist just promised themself too much and thought that its something more than piece of code (quite low quality though) and invest in equipment. Now its rant that serious cyclists dont treat playing a game seriously and bam...
Put a power dril direct on the power Simulator tacx for cheating too!
I wish I could put 5kgs of muscle on in the gym in 1 month 😂
If he hasn't given his zwift weight "a second thought", then it backs up Shane's point. It shoes no respect for those building this.
I feel you, good point Mr Pitt. putting on 3/4kg is doable... Let's just say he weighed 89.9kg right... He's going to enter his weight at 89kg like 99.9% of zwifters would. That's 1kg right there... Now let's say he puts on 5kg of muscle from the phase of training he's in... That's 6kg then add the 2kg increase everyone else seemed to have had due to time of day weigh in and the other factors we spoke about...thats 8... Now im not saying one way or another what the deal is... But there is a possibility that there's another explanation for it so before he's thrown under the bus lets at least try and find out how/why it happened... That's all! 👍
@@chrispritch you could say his had a shoe thrown at him. Oops with the typo laugh.
But your video highlights an issue. Do you know if the riders are all using similar spec in game bikes? Or are some just hitting the race with the default zwift stuff???
@@MrBJPitt that's why I stand by my comment about the weight... Some run standard Zwift carbon because they don't know any different... I heard they all had to be on the same bike and no tron but if your team had a frame manufacturer in the game you could use that...
@@chrispritch yeah that is a massive issue if true.
Shane millers video has been removed. Interesting 🤔
but my weight usually drops by 70 lbs naturally before the last sprint.
All that water being sweat out. lol
One day I will achieve the power to weight ratio I claim to have on zwift 😅
Although the 'constant wattage' comparisons are informative, it's not clear that they should be expected to translate to similar differences in actual elapsed-time.
When the gaps generated by weight or height changes are less than a couple of seconds over an entire course, in-race conditions are likely to swamp the results of a constant wattage test.
After all, if you don't get the climb transitions right (especially the transition to downhill), you can end up spinning... and lose the draught.
_Draughting_ is the most important factor in pretty much all bike races; if Guus Bouman hit that 472W average _without_ draughting, then he would have been slower over the course than if he generated the same average wattage _with_ draughting (because any time you're in the draught, you're going faster for a given wattage - or putting out less wattage to maintain a given speed).
I understand that weight- and height-doping certainly works, but it probably won't have as large an overall effect as it appears to have in isolation - but given that races are won or lost by tenths of seconds, even the slightest difference does matter.
At present, the only thing that is truly 'nailed down' is the in-game kit the rider's using: you can't fake which frame and wheels you use.
Filmed weigh-ins and height measurements are a solid idea for "leagues", since almost all participants will have the infrastructure to stream their weigh-in (and "height-in").
(PS screw CZcams's Yank-tarded spell-checker... [getting protected from] the movement of air is a *draught* you 'loids; a *draft* is a _preliminary version_ of something).
PPS I have read (but I haven't checked) that a cadence > 110 through a PU checkpoint *guarantees* an aero power-up. I'm testing that claim over the next week or so (assuming Zwift doesn't clamp down on it if it becomes public knowledge... *which it just did* ).
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I keep saying we should test the PU theory out!! You're right on all the points... I however don't have enough intelligence to be able to test in a real race situation...
Wait, why don't they just have the athletes weight just before the race, like in boxing???
Should have just asked COFIDIS instead of taking the time and trouble to make an Video... KSL has lost almost any respect it had.
Now you tell me!! 😂
What do you want to ask REAL team racing in REAL life about playing a game? Do you want to tell me that you can treat this serious? This is JUST A GAME FFS. Get over it.
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo Jan you're right mate it is still only a game... but have you seen the money involved!?
@@chrispritch Yes... More money... More people will all is needed to abuse system to win. That`s how its works.
Question... You`ve found wallet and there is 100 dollars and owner address. What you do? Now you`ve found a suitcase with million dollars... what you consider to do now?
That`s the human nature and athlete to some extent are addicted to win or feel like the winner :).
Whole bike industry for non professionals feeds us with that feeling (look like a pro cycle bike which pros does etc.). Yet now everyone are surprised that in the game cheats existed and used :).
Really like your content. This seems like a bit of obfuscation to me though. If it walks like a duck and squawks like a duck...it’s usually a duck. They were weight doping.
had to google that James...
You have to be a sad individual to cheat on Zwift. Definitely get rid of power-ups.
There’s alot of cheater in the game
why are people cheating in a bike game? it blows my mind :D
to ride with girl friends who is very slower than me
I don't even see how someone would feel go about winning if they are cheating. Cycling has been known for cheating for ever. Just be honest. What's wrong with that
If you’re cheating on Zwift you really need to get a life
I'm not bothered by the odd kg. The 8kg is huge. I mean how far out are his weighing scales in his bathroom?
Did they weigh the riders naked? Did the riders weigh themselves naked at home? There's a lot of deviations in the method.
Ok. We let this go? The pro riders from now on have to take responsibility themselves. If they want to race on Zwift, then they have to get it right.
I'll let it go if you let it go.... :)
@@chrispritch it's the first time anything like this has been done. As always, there are teething problems. The main thing is that everyone learns from it and puts in the right measures so it prevents it happening again.
Like I say, I'm can understand a kg or two but 8kg? Seriously? I know it can be done but I would think it's just a setup error. "Zwift needs to know my weight? Erm, I think it's about 75kg when I raced last summer, I'll just shove that in for now."
Oh shite, I put on 8kg in the off season.
I know, I totally get that there's going to be teething problems... but not in what is touted to be the "professional esports league" I know zwift never made zwift for racing and if it wasn't for the community there would be no racing on zwift but there is and if Zwift are picking up the mantle to become the leader in this arena there's been enough racing and teething problems in the community races to make sure the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed that this shouldn't happen in the league. I really want it to succeed... the concept, idea and the potential is huge.
@@chrispritch 1st time with purely pro riders though. Racing has to be stricter once money starts flowing.
Everything needs standardizing. Bike selection, weigh ins, power ups, wheels, height measurements, smart trainers etc.
I don't have the answers but it needs to be made fairer. Your videos have shown that the system can be utilised in your favour if you wish to do so.
Doesn't have to be like that for us idiots in cat B. Or for amateur racing. But the professionals need to be more...erm.....professional! Especially if money and sponsorship is involved.
How can this ever be Zwifts fault? Does Zwift punch in the riders weight? No. What do you expect Zwift to do? This is 24 minutes of not applicable excuses.
No they don't but they get the riders to send in video evidence of their weight and cross check it... so they may not type the numbers but they know what the riders weigh... I expect zwift to have in place a fool proof system in place before announcing to the world they are the leading light in esports, and I know it's all brand new and it's the first time this has happened but racing on zwift has been happening for years now and they teamed up with the best event organizer on the platform so any of these "teething" issues should have been resolved by now.
Listen Jens I want this to succeed I want it to be fair, equal and fun for the riders, spectators and the platforms hosting events. I thought it was highly unfair to call out riders for "cheating" in the same tone people would talk about a TDF rider testing positive. I've seen the start list for tonights KSL and if Zwift thought a rider was cheating on the platform in such a big race do you think they should let them compete?
I doubt a gaming platform will bother with it, if the $$$ are there they don't care. There's mechanics in every online game that just make it a lopsided battle, the chance factor is part of the gaming structure. Power ups should be uniformed accross the partaking cyclists in our idea of a fair race, they're not interested in a fair race the power ups are testiment to that.
Why not game the system they'll never change without a push, gain the result you're after by everyone putting in the smallest size and the lightest weight, that is within every players ability and negates the game mechanics and devs completely, it's the only way Zwift will actually change something, if the community take control they get worried.
Nah 81kgs does it be built like a quarterback reb beatty
Great video,but we can't blame riders?who to blame then?zwift? Why?they've put out a game assuming a clean participation from everyone regarding height and weight.now cause people out there lying first of all themselves,we should blame zwift for that?they need to find a solution for this for sure if they go into e-sports deeper,which they have already,but it's us riders who lie,cheat and trick the system,which came out with intention racing clean and enjoy a fair suffering.call me dillusional,but can't blame e zwift for this not for a second
Yeah, I like this channel, but I don't agree with this video. Using excuses like "they may not know that weight is important" is just BS.
Also it brings up another topic. What bikes do the riders use? Do some have access to only the first level stuff? Or does zwift make sure everyone is setup using equal in game equipment???
@@MrBJPitt Mr Pitt I'm chasing you round everywhere in this comments section!! It might be BS I honestly don't know but don't forget there's still a lot of people in the cycling world who don't even know Zwift let alone know your weight and height will affect what is essentially a computer game...
@@MrBJPitt and I appreciate your comments and feedback 👍
@@chrispritch haha, yeah thanks for replying 👍 your content is on point, and a bit of discussion around it is a good thing. Looking forward to what you bring out next. Hopefully trainer road is bringing you the results you want in the next training block. If you want to continue the series of "structured training", try Xert next. It's a bit generic in terms of it doesn't provide motivation like sufferfest videos. But it's doesn't have a generic training structure either. It's dynamically updating the suggested workouts. It does have a steep learning curve though, which is a downside.
Why not throw them "under the bus"? They are handpicked for christs sake to be the pinnacle of Zwift Racing! They demolish the little of online racing credibility that was left.
"online racing credibility"
You can`t be serious. Online racing in the game is just what it is... Online racing in the game. You want serious racing? Go out and race simple as that. If you prefer to play a game... Accept that it`s just a game and not every one will trat this as serious as you. Thanks.
I Hate cheaters!! 😡
every pro cyclist knows about how weight affects them ..its what they live daily ,,they are always travelling ,,, so to say they put on 3 kilo + because they went on a plane is crap ,,,sorry
Gary.... I'm not saying the plane was the only factor... Just A factor in a bigger picture.
True that Gary.. it's obviously weight doping. No excuse
That's right Gary..........6 out of 8 riders had the wrong weight.All are Pro's and as a result all watch their weight extremely closely.
I'm an amateur Zwift user, I have FTP of around 350w. But I'm also weighing over 120kg. What you gonna do about it? I still have to put the same effort into cycling than someone weighing 80kg. So I change my weight. I don't do races nor do I pretend like I'm superman. I just do it so I can keep up with people.
What am I gonna do about it? Not a god damn thing... 😂
That’s because you fat lose some weight then
Such nonsense. You should just lose weight or simply accept that you are not able to maintain the same pace
. I bet those 80kg guys are saying they weight 69 "just to keep up with people". Do you see where this is going?
I'm 118 kg right now and that's what my zwift is set at. Yea, usually among the very slowest up any hill. But who cares? I'm in it for the fun. Probably will only change the weight in 5kg increments...in other words, when I reach 113 I will switch it in zwift. So I guess you could say I am penalizing myself. Wonder what the heaviest person is for Alpe'd Zwift..?
You should probably race. Weight is a massive _advantage_ with the current cat system.
If you climb at the top of your cat w/kg limit you'll climbing at the same rate as the middle weights but you'll be putting out loads more power than them on the flat and they won't keep up.
A middle weight that has the same power as you will be DQ'd bumped to next cat up because their w/kg as so much higher.
That's why 70-75 Kg riders never win Cat C races. There's stats on ZwiftInsider to back that up too. If they do they get DQ'd and bumped and get to be crappy Cat B riders.
Your weight is a give if you like Zwift racing.
You dont talk about drill makita doping😅
First rule of drill makita doping club....
Don't talk about drill makita club
Chris, I find your efforts and perspective disturbing. Are you trying to hurt Zwifting?
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They should eliminate height and weight mechanics in Zwift except when your on solo mode, but in a race they need to defaulted to an average.
That way it’s based on fitness and tactics and not by variances in the accuracy of height and weight provided by unscrupulous over competitive riders.
Who cares ! it's a game with many veriations and thus all is not equel. so it matters not. Any one who takes zwift siriously needs some armstrong elicsier. and admit to cheeting. If you want to improve your fitness, cycle more on a heavy bike.
Hi dude. It's a shame the elite have taken over zwift, I'd pike to know how many pro cyclists vs casuals are paying the subscriptions, can zwift survive without one? I'd love to know. No. Powerups shouldn't be taken out. That's the point of the whole 'game'. These things will slowly alienate, I'm assuming, the vast majority of users who deal with zwift as an addition to training. Maybe you elites could say... I dont know, Go and race outside? I'm not against you dude, I'm not, but like every thing else, when elitists sections of the market get involved you tend to suck all the life out of it and make it inaccessible to the people who got it there in the first place. I want nothing more than zwift to succeed but not at the cost of knowing that some prominent promoters with other interests start making decisions. The point I'm trying to make is it's a game, it needs to be treated as such. I dont think I'd be rushing to give that call of duty winner captain in the army. As for the cheating esports has things like this in every game, the pros make sure of it to give them their edge. Cycling...well. how many outside variables after weight and height do u want to list not to mention a connection issue.
Zwift doping 😂😂😂 come on people come back to earth, in the real world, remember ? Who the f cares about numbers and results in a virtual game ?? It’s meant to be a training device to make your fitness or road/mtb level improve. That’s all.
you say that.... and I agree, however with the uci committing to a world championships on the platform and $120,000,000 invested in to the esports side of the platform people certainly feel something more then just training