The BEST & WORST Abandoned F1 Tracks
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- There have been 77 Formula 1 tracks in the history of the World Championship - but have you ever wondered what happens to the tracks that get abandoned?
Well here's 8 of them - some you'll know well, some maybe not so much. And we're gonna rank them from best to worst whilst we're at it.
Let me know your thoughts on the tracks included - do you agree with my tier list?
Are there any other tracks you'd like to see included on this list?
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@4:56. If you just let the clip play a little longer you’d see James Hunt punching Dave Morgan to the ground after the last corner shunt
OMD - I literally wanted to include that bit - that was craaazy!!! I couldn't believe it when I was watching the footage. James Hunt being Hunt even in the junior formulae. Gonna pin your comment mate so everyone see it 🙌🏼
I want Istanbul, Malaysia and Hockenheim back!!😭😭😭
Same dude 😭
Sad Hanoi noises
@Soccerunder60 😓
The *old* Hockenheim is what I’d like (would certainly take some doing though! 😅)
And Istanbul!
Vietnamese here, ill give you update on the track, basically the government have taken down everything, to my knowledge there is no racing there anymore, all that is left is a ghost grand stand at the finish line and a ghost pit lane
Hong Kong City Circuit should be added into F1 calendar.
Fun fact?: Helmut Marko lost his eye in charade after a rock went through his visor into his eye.
😯😯
Actually it was a spring from when car in front of him😊
@@ryangaming321 you're confusing Marko with Massa
@@andreysab3432 and the fact one happened in France and the other happened in Hungary
That's an interesting fact, but pretty much the opposite of fun.
If Valencia is C tier then Monaco is quintuple Z bottom tier.
Monaco is absolutely garbage.
@@PhonySopran0Garbage for racing, amazing for qualifying. Monaco can be improved for racing however
@@hmdwgf I guess. I just think it’s overvalued for what it is. And things like COTA are hated on for no good reason.
@@PhonySopran0 COTA is hated on because it’s in the big bad US of A. Makes no sense
@@PhonySopran0 it's hated for a good reason. It's awful
As a Bottas suporter since his Williams days I miss Sochi, dude channeled his inner Hakkinen there.
Bro - Williams Bottas was the GOAT - Him and Massa silverstone 2014 (i think) - top tier driving
AVUS and that epic "Wall of Death" as it was called back in the day.
AVUS is like Daytona plus SPECIAL STAGE ROUTE 7.
I'm so glad Vietnam didn't happen. That track PISSED ME OFF in f12020
lol - tell me you're bad at F1 without telling me you're bad... jkjk... ;P
Wish we could get Malaysia , Istanbul, Kyalami , Nurburgring GP layout , Fuji and Hockenheim back
Istanbul ok
The rest nope
@@Ariespradana13mate sepang fuji hockenheim and especially kyalami are incredible i want kyalami back so bad
Valencia was abysmal as a racing track, but it had the great 2012 race. Again showing that a poor track can also sometimes produce something special, the conditions just have to be right.
Oh, and Crystal Palace and Reims are/were great in Grand Prix Legends. The former for F2 or 65 mod stuff, and the latter for the original 67 cars with slipstreaming and speeds up to 330 kph.
I wouldn't mind if the calendar would only consist of Melbourne, Monza, Monaco, Spa, Silverstone, Old hockenheim, Old nurburgring, Magny Cours, Brazil and Suzuka.
Make the historic Monaco Grand Prix event into a Historic Formula One World Championship
You could never have a race at the old 14 mile Nurburgring. Lauda and other drivers didn’t want to race there in ‘76 because there weren’t enough marshals to properly manage it. It’s just really hard to run a GP on a circuit of that length, especially when most of the spectators out in the country got in for free.
Ranking a track with Zero on track overtakes a C is an insane take. That should be banished to an F- tier
C was my bottom tier 😅
But I agree 😂
And Valencia Street Circuit had bringed a iconic F1 Race in its last year, that amazing Race in 2012, the Fernando Alonso masterclass, a podium with 10 Championships (Alonso, Raikkonen and Michael Schumacher), Hamilton vs Maldonado...
Because of 2012
Charade might not be used in F1 anymore but it is still being driven and maintained and a really cool track to drive with a classic car.
A small section of it.
Fun fact: Russian GP was supposed to be moved from Sochi to Igora Drive in St. Petersburg in 2023 but due to the obvious reasons that didn't happen.
this saddens me, could have been a great race. I hate politics....
@@donovanyoung1220 Also unpopular opinion: I love Sochi Autodrom. This is a good track. I enjoy driving on it in my modded Assetto Corsa.
@@szybkiwojtas7895 on sims it's enjoyable, trashing the car around those medium speed corners and nail them perfectly is kinda fun. The problem is that when racing in reality (in any class of cars) the construction of the corners, their sequence and the tightness of some sections basically make for a single lane around the middle part of the track, and every attempt of attacking the car in front makes you waste a lot of time and momentum. Add to it the huge dimensions of the F1 cars of this era and the fact that the previous generation was horrible in dirty air and the racing was a snoozefest. Could have been rather interesting with the cars of today about handling in dirty air, but the sheer size of the cars could have remained a very limiting factor...
And because such a street circuit isnt that attractive 😂
I went to Valencia in 2008. When we got to our numbered grandstand, lots of fans couldn't find their seats. They just weren't there. Apparently when the grandstand was erected and after the seats were bolted into place and numbered, someone realised there wasn't a gangway in the middle. They removed a swathe of seats but didn't re-number the remaining ones. The unlucky fans were told that the stewards knew about this and directed them to another grandstand where they would find seats. After about half-an-hour they all trooped back as there were no other seats so they sat on the steps where their seats would have been. Understandably the stewards weren't happy for health & safety reasons but the fans stayed put and we had to negotiate our way round them.
Later, I walked miles to the merchandise area but was told only those fans with seats opposite the pits had access. As you can imagine the stall holders were furious. It was sorted by race day but by then I CBA to go back.
I never went again.
Reims-Gueux (three straights) : nothing interesting 😑
AVUS (two straights) : look at this bad boy 😍 looks so difficult 😮💨
AVUS domination could bore fans 🗣️🗣️💥💥
Dallas was also the track that Martin Brundle nearly tore his left foot off at just 8 races into his career.
Crazy - that didn't come up in my research - maybe I'll have to do a Top 5 worst injuries video or something in the future...
At the French Grand Prix of 1972 those volcanic rocks littering the track affected the race. First, Helmut Marko (the director of Red Bull today) had one of them fly into his face which blinded him in one eye and then later on Chris Amon, who was leading the race by some distance, got a puncture after running over a rock and ended up third....costing him a well deserved maiden win.
The track seems to have a crazy history - everyone should do some more research on it tbh. Some crazy things happened
Yes, and that handed victory to Jackie Stewart, who just got back after weeks of having mono
I have been waiting for this vid from some time now from other creators!!! U actually are underrated and amazing
Haha thanks dude. Sorry it’s been so long since the last upload 😭
It's a real shame that F1 never got to race in Hanoi, would have been interesting to see how it raced.
1000%
the reims track is very cool, cause it's very fast paced, imagine the overtaking speed, we could get near to 400kmh
At the time, before downforce and sticky tires, the three wide turns were interesting to navigate and on the straights drafting battles.
BTW you were showing only the final version that didn't go into the village and used more of the main road.
that clip of norris going off at sochi will forever scar my memory.
7:42 as a Texan, I can confirm that it’s regularly in the 90s-100s in the summer. But hey, it’s still cold, even in March!
🥵
@@jakemorganGP eh, we’re used to it.
Very nice edit while the info is a banger 😂 did you do all that by yourself?
Yeah dude. Takes so long 😅. My full time occupation is editing videos
excellent video as usual, i hope you start getting more of the views you deserve soon bro
Ahh thanks bro. Appreciate the support. I’m really trying to find a way to make this take off. The best way is just for everyone to tell a friend about the channel.
Got big plans, but ultimately it’s about creating the right community first and foremost. Let’s see how the next 12 months goes 🙌🏼
I want Brands Hatch back 😢
Will never ever happen. Impossible.
@@samuelgarrod8327 unfortunately 🥲. But in EuroNascar or other championships they still race there.
tbh 2011 and 12 at valencia were both good races especially 2012. DRS actually improved that track alot
Yeah idk - still not convinced - Miami has had one good race, doesn't mean it's a good track
Good list and a good video. You definitely have to do more circuits/track videos. If you are up to it you should make your own in Assetto Corsa. I am more of a new-track type of person. I want to see new ones and then they return old ones per se. De Charade is cool though. Pretty crazy how they had almost zero safety back then.
Defo gonna do a part 2. Will probs be in a month or so tho. I have another video in the works about team orders after that disaster in Hungary
@@jakemorganGP Sounds good. I look forward to whatever videos you have coming up.
As an Indiana native, PLEASE BRING THE INDY GP BACK
My personal favorite is mugello. Fast, smooth corners topped of with good overtake zones, qualifying is cool too
When I think of the sochi circuit, I always think of the f2 accident where someone got buried under the barrier
That driver was Luca Ghiotto, in "collaboration"with Jack Aitken
I think Avus would have been S tier if it had more corners. That wall of death is awesome, but it only needed one giant straight, not two.
I'd like Adelaide back. Bookend the season with two Aussie bangers.
Dutch privateer Carel Godin de Beaufort actually went over the top of the AVUS banking during the Grand Prix of Berlin sportscar race on August 1st, 1959 as part of the support events of the German GP that was held there the next day. He tumbled down and somehow kept his Porsche in good enough condition to drive, rejoining the track at the end of the corner before being disqualified because the official felt his car was a bit too damaged from the drop. However, in the very same race at the very same spot Jean Behra lost his life.
Reims, full straight, little turn, fast car and no very hard turn
Bad track
Avus
If you Tyre, wheel, hand, anything fail, you die, responsible for a lot of death people = S tier
Sports is just a modern version of gladiator events in Roman times - fans live for danger idk what to say lol
Personally, I would put Valencia A tier. Yes, like you said, the racing wasn't very good, 2012 race aside, but it did have genuinely imaginative and nice touches. The reusing of the Americas Cup facilities to form the paddock and a former Fish Market building being used as the pit building and podium location, plus the fact that near the swing Bridge, it had miles and miles of beautiful sandy beaches
"You wouldn't want to go over the banking"...French driver Jean Behra did in 1959 with fatal results.
😅
Behra went over the banking, was thrown out of the car (because drivers didn’t wear seatbelts back then) and hit a flagpole head first, destroying his paper-mache crash hat and causing instantly fatal head injuries. And he had just been fired from Ferrari because he punched the team manager Tavoni in the face during an argument in a restaurant.
Valencia is one of my favorite tracks, it is very fun to drive on the sims and the nostalgia aspect from the early 2010s and late 2000s really adds to it. Also being abandoned and “lost” sort of, just really adds to the specialty of it.
12:13 still hurts😢😭
🫠
Lando coul de a 2-time GP winner by now.😭😭😭
@Geomatikaktus 3-time imo
@@jakemorganGP ?
Would love to see a race back at Kyalami sometime soon
Checkout my video '3 tracks we need back in F1' - I discuss Kyalami in that video
Cool video!
Glad you enjoyed it
there is igora drive autodrom in Saint Petersburg ??? it should be hosted races starting from 2023, but we all know what happened
Idk why but I loved Paul Richard circuit
Interesting to have Indianapolis in the thumbnail but not in the list? And it should come back, as the grounds for the track have been updated and it's central US location and of course, racing history, make it an ideal spot for the sport. The only reason I imagine it hasn't returned is that Roger Penske owns both the track and IndyCar series, and probably doesn't want competition at the track for now.
Ahh haha. Good point. I’m actually running a thumbnail test right now lol. That was an older thumbnail from the proof-of-concept stage of this video project but I’m just testing out different things. If you check the community tab of my channel you can see the actual thumbnail that I am using 😁.
But I would love for F1 to race at Indy again 😍😍
Another reason for why F1 won’t go back to Indy is because of THAT race in 2005.
Isnt Korea also abandoned? That circuit was amazing imo
Sort of. Stay tuned for part two 😉
You forgot Long Beach from 1976 - 1983. It's a street track! It's still used for Indycar, but F1 raced there once upon a time.
Yeah very true. I tried to focus on tracks that had been completely abandoned but maybe I should do a part two…
Part two would def be worth doing, and if you did I'd nominate Aintree for inclusion.
Not many places that have served dual purpose as both horse and car racing tracks.
Jacarepaguá
Harsh on Riems as you didn't even mention the fact you can still visit the grandstands and pit area today.
11:02 the track almost looks like special stage route X (10)
So you guys really enjoyed this (which is awesome, thank you!)
Like this comment if you want to see a part 2...
And reply with your nominated tracks for it... 😁
Old Brazillian GP (Rio de Janeiro - Jacarepaguá)
Former F1 tracks:
S: Nordschleife, Charade, Pescara, Brands Hatch, Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Rouen, Buenos Aires (#15 variant), Spa (old), Interlagos (old), Montjuic, Adelaide, Osterreichring, Kyalami (old), Mosport Park
A: Reims (1951), Bremgarten, Mont-Tremblant, Boavista, Monsanto, Dijon, Indianapolis, Sebring, Riverside, Paul Ricard (80s), Istanbul, Fuji (70s), Estoril, Mexico City (80s), Hockenheim (old)
B: Reims (1953), Kyalami (90s), Dallas, AVUS, Ain Diab, Detroit, Sepang, Jarama, New Delhi
C: Phoenix, Yeongam, Fuji (2000s), Jerez, Le Mans Bugatti, Anderstorp, Pedralbes, Buenos Aires (#6, #9)
Complete shit: Sochi, Caesars Palace, Valencia
How could you not mention the fact that Valencia had four abysmal races and then one race which was one of the best of all time 😂😂
Lol. I totally get what you mean buttttt… Miami had one good race. Doesn’t make Miami a good track. So that is my perspective on Valencia as well
@@jakemorganGP and I absolutely agree bud! Sochi was the same as that
Tracks like Charade, Rouen and the old Spa track are NOT street circuits, they are public road circuits.
Bro sounds like my legal team 😂 jk. Fair point
If The Circuit de Charade is Bowsers Castle, then AVUS is surely Luigi Circuit from Double Dash
Avus would be a cool thing. I live a few minutes away
There was a street circuit in Cuba as well, it was through Havana and was won by Fangio
Great track. I’ve got a part 2 list but it’s not definitive and if it’s still popular I’ll do a part 3 with fan entries for the videos
I actually went to the valencia streat circuit half of it was a apart of the road (main strait and pits) and other half purpose built which was faded and had a bunch of litter on it
Oh wow that’s so cool man. It would be cool to go see it in-person. Were there loads of people around or was it properly deserted?
@@jakemorganGP well the pits are now like a bike path and the main straight is a road so there was a few people but the purpose build part was completely deserted. But there was considerably less people in that part of the city which the track was located. Its quite a surreal feeling walking around an abandoned F1 track however it was extremely hot.
@@jakemorganGP the part which was built fot the GP is completely deserted. When i was there 2022 i drove on the abandoned part with a bike. Was super fun.
Hockenheim, Malaysia and Sochi. I loved all of them. I wish we could just pick up the Sochi track and move it to another country. I started watching F1 when I was a young kid back in seb domination years so those tracks are nostalgic for me
About Sochi being a Bottas circuit, he did get his first win there in 2017, maybe should've won the year after when he lost out to team orders, but that 2020 race you showed was the one that was pretty much gift-wrapped for him when Hamilton compromised his own race before it even started in a classic "not knowing the rules" moment. It was not the hardest-fought victory, and I remember him getting mocked a little bit for celebrating like it was an Australia 2019-type performance, but I guess he was owed one after what happened in 2018.
That's fair - in a straight fight, I think Bottas would have had Hamilton in 2020 (possibly?) but team orders to hold position probably would have applied and Bottas may never have won in that scenario. But it was definitely a Bottas track iygwim
@@jakemorganGP Looking at the Wikipedia page for that race, I had forgotten that Verstappen split the two Mercedes in qualifying, so I guess that was one hurdle Bottas had to clear during the race. I'll have to go back and watch to see just how easy it was for him in that Mercedes compared to what it's like trying to get past Verstappen in today's F1. **cough** Lando **cough**
The VTB sponsors plastered around the track made it more hillarious as if it was meant to be Bottas' circuit
AVUS with current cars would be a blast.
You should’ve done Igora Drive which was meant to replace Sochi by 2023
@8:43 - "TIRE STOLEN FROM MOVING CAR IN DALLAS"
Headline checks out.
11:56 *SHINGO MOMENTS*
I absolutely loved Valencia
10:09 wtf are you serious rn I’m gonna find you 😂, nah seriously Reims gueux was one off the coolest and beautiful race track back in the days the fast corners of the track make it special and now the remaining part of the track are renovated by an association of fan and if you visit the track one day you can understand why it’s special like the atmosphere is unbelievable one of my favorite race track
I enjoyed your video, and your comments on the circuits. I'd love to see the Charade circuit return. As to Dallas, I lived there and did not even try to go there in July. Whereas I used to go halfway across the continent to Mosport for the grand prix races there. (Sadly, I DID attend Caesar's Palace in its first year, but in my defense I had press passes for that one. Hot as it was, it was October and no where near the debacle Dallas was.)
ahhh that's so cool - do you work in F1/motorsports media then?
I'm sorry but I can't get over how much this guy looks like Enzo Fitipaldi
haha - you're not the first person to say that lol. If this channel takes off, I'm gonna have to meet him some time for a video 😆
@@jakemorganGP I mean it as nothing but a compliment! He's one of my favourite F2 drivers, I hope that happens some day
There’s only one way to do that. Grow the channel/community! Tell a friend who likes F1. Word of mouth is so powerful
@@jakemorganGP oh definitely!
Who? Emmerson Ferrari???
8:30 38 degree Celsius? rookie number I go outside everyday and it’s 45-50
Weirdest sentence I have ever heard in my life was at the end.....what is Stroll fan? Do those exist?
Bahaha - honestly still waiting for them in the comments - so far had more comments like yours than any Stroll fans XD
He had one surprisingly great race on the short Bahrain track, destroyed by strategy.
I am surprised Bremgarten wasn't in there
another fact it was originally planned for Avus to have 2 banked corners but thanks to WW2 it was never finished
Love Valencia due to the thrill I had watching Barrichello win on 2009
"You wouldnt wanna go over that banking, thats for sure" 😭 oh my god, you didnt.
bahaha - I had to 🤣
That comment is a bit over the top 🖖
You should watch best overtake of 2010. It was in Valencia done by Kubica
Valencia wasn't that bad. The 2012 race was awesome and had the best podium ever in F1
For me Valencia is my favorite track, and I think I am the only one who does. As the 2012 Valencian gp was my first ever race I watch
Lando refusing the switch tyres will never be unfunny, till now he still doesnt learn
If avus F1 track was ever in a sim racing game I would be flying
Like I mean flying
bahaha - i think we all would be tbf - those cars were crazy hard to drive back in the day as well
Where is indian gp ?
There are many of these tracks around 153 he said this are only 8 of them
And all these I think are not used at all
But the Indian gp is used by moto gp
In india for sure
Wish we got the glen instead of LA
As a vietnamese fan i really want to have GP in VN so much, the circuit rn actually being used for public, u pay 10 bucks to get in the track and travel around bout 2/3 of the track. Honestly the corruption was the guy who make F1 to VietNam was taken the money make the circuit and keep it for his own 😂. The track layout was really interesting but i think the time VietNam hold a GP is long haha
I want Sochi becouse in f1 2020 i was playing it often
AVUS does not exist anymore, the excellent youtuber and F1/motorsport engineer has a video where he goes to the forest that now houses the banked turns. The straights are now a highway... So I don't think F1 will return anytime soon
9:17 as a French it hurts my ears 🤣(it's a sound that do not exist outside of France I guess so you have a solid excuse 😁)
Sorry, I was watching this on my TV but out of rage I'm jumping on my phone just to write this lol.
Mf you're the first person EVER to put Sochi above a C (being generous) on a tier list of good tracks. Hands down one of the most BORING tracks I've ever seen.
Banger races in Sochi: 2021
Good races: 2015
Shit races: 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 some of those genuinely having 1 or 2 overtakes all race
What is this revisionism on such a shit track?? How is this an A tier ?!
“REEMS”
REEEEEEMS 📣🗣️🗣️🗿🗿💥💥
On the F1 games I enjoyed racing Sochi… watching it though, good lord it was a bore.
God i wish the Buddh Circuit wasn't created in India. Such a good track wasted over some mismanagement and one of the most dirtiest places in the world.
Im gonna visit the valencia street circuit because i live in valencia
Agree with you, the track in Sochi was not that bad
Drive Reims in a period race car and you'll change your tune. It has great flow.
I may have to do this... been tempted to do some sim videos lately as well tbf...
S tier ❌
AvuS tier 😎
Hell yeah 😎
nice video👏
My appreciation of most of those street tracks : 🤢🤮
Their ONLY advantage is that they are very accessible for the spectators as they are IN a city.
frrr - I made a video on this about street tracks - let me know your thoughts on the points I raised for and against street tracks
great editing for a smaller channel! less face i'd say as viewership drops. but you'll be kicking off for sure!
Bring back Indy but race on the oval.
why did you have to show that one russian Lando clip 😢
Some people just like to watch the world burn 😂
Sorry pal, Crystal Palace never hosted a F1 championship race. Non championship yes, not championship. 1962 British GP was held at Aintree. Great video otherwise 😘
Check motorsportmagazine.com’s records. 1962 Crystal Palace F1 was at Crystal Palace. The various sources I used suggested it was a championship race but that could be wrong. Either way the track was cool and is abandoned so it’s not a massive deal 😄. Cheers bud
1962 British round of the world championships was held on 21st of July at Aintree for the last time before moving between Silverstone and Brands and before last weeks British Gp was the last time British drivers had qualified 1-2-3 it was won by Jim Clark
The Crystal Palace Thophy for F1 cars was a non championship round held on the 11 of June won by Innes Ireland and still holds Sprint events too present day
@@jakemorganGP There has never been an F1 championship race in Crystal Palace
Ok fair enough. Small detail tbf. Thanks for clarifying
What about charterhall Nurburgring and Dijon prionds
I want AVUS circuit return to F1 calendar.
Clearly you are a man of culture
you missed Indian GP.....although moto gp is now being held on it with a gap of 2024
Yeah I did have it on my list when first doing this video but MotoGP uses it so it’s technically not abandoned
@@jakemorganGP yep a good point and also local races are held there and car manufacturers test their cars on this track...... anyone can race on this track with any of their car, you just need to do a registration and pay a hefty entry fee.
…….France has volcanoes?
I was as shocked as you are lmao