GM Truck Engine CARNAGE!!
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2022
- The 2014 GMC Sierra Crank No-Start that we diagnosed last month is back on the road after an engine swap!
Let's see how mad the CARNAGE was, and discuss the ROOT CAUSE of the failure.
Enjoy!
Ivan - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Keep it stock, don't break the block.
Agreed. Keep it stock and don't beat on it.
Or the bank
Years ago there was a poor guy at an intersection in a pick up with his hood up and I stopped to see if he needed help. He told me it wouldn't start and he just needed a boost. I turned on his headlamps and they were super bright, then I took a quick look underneath the truck and there was oil and parts of a connecting rod on the ground. "A boost ain't gonna fix this." He was mad I wouldn't boost it even after I tried to show him the "not supposed to be on the outside" part of his engine.
Some people. Beyond help.😀
So how many RPMs did you get it up to? Customer - “All of them”
When a 4 Stroke wants to be a 2 Stroke Avoid the Temptation
Holy crap!! The older LS engine's lower ends could take 1,300-1,400 boosted HP before con-rods bent, so it looks like the newer generation of engines aren't as stout. Can't say I'm surprised there. The GM cheapout continues! That said, you can't go changing ANYTHING that affects power output once you've had a dyno tune. All that affects fuel mixture, big time. I wonder if the piston failed first from detonation? The hole in the block tells me the rod catastrophically failed. Either weaker rods, or maybe lack of oiling due to the super high RPM he was at - he could've cavitated the oil pump. We may never know! Great vid, Ivan! Catastrophic failures are always fun to look at when you don't own them, LOL! 😁👍😎
I hope your family in Russia are safe Ivan. I hope any Ukrainian friends are safe also.
Well there we go, apart from thrashing it, the owner did more work on the vehicle after the dyno tune. I hope the owner has more respect for the vehicle now. Thanks for the update Ivan.
Ivan, thanks so much for the follow up on this truck! Always good when we get a chance to find out what happened.
A window to the insides of your wallet.. ouch.. Thanks Ivan for taking us along for the engine post mortem.. Cheers!
That gives a new-old-new meaning to the concept of "fractured rod".
This is GM's dod cylinder deactivation system working as should. Cylinders are permanently deactivated!!
More like deleted
@@chadvalliere8697 Yep - the GM cylinder delete option. 🤣
If you lost two rods with whole pistons, replace the broken sensor, fix the leaks and large holes, and now you have a V-6.
thats a plan for the guys at Garage54!
Ivan, thanks for the update. That's a really nice truck. I hope the used engine the owner supplied lasts a long time. Otherwise, I suspect we'll be seeing another video from PH. Thanks for Sharing!
My 5.7 litre Chevrolet LS1 V8 engine in my Holden VY SS Commodore had more power after I picked it up after a registration inspection in December 2019.
I had replaced the headers with 1 5/8" primary Diameter Genie tri y headers,2 × 200 cell per inch 2.5 inch catalytic converters & a twin 2.5 inch high flow cat back exhaust system.
They secretly snuck it on the car dyno without me knowing,it was a girl who I went to school with who drove it to the dyno tuner.
It put out 235 flywheel kilowatts from the Holden factory but it had custom made headers & a twin 2.25" exhaust system & it made about as much power as the 6 litre (L76) powered Holden VZ series 2 & VE series 1 SS Commodores did in 2005-2006 (276 flywheel kilowatts). With the standard 5.7 litre LS1 V8 engine.
Now it makes about 300 kilowatts at the flywheel,I had it up to 200 km/h (120 mph) & it started pulling past that Speed as well,it g it there pretty quick as well.
Back in 2002 when it was made Holdens special vehicles division also did similar exhaust & tuning mods albeit performed a MAFless tune to remove the restriction from the inlet manifold to get a 285 flywheel kilowatt power output,the compression ratio was also reduced from 10:1 to 9.98:1 in the Holden VY SS Commodore Clubsport R8 back then.
It was tuned to run on 95 octane premium unleaded fuel & mine is tuned to run on 94 octane E10 unleaded fuel.
In the 6 litre L76 V8 powered cars a larger diameter Corvette MAF sensor was used instead of having a MAFless tune done !
Ivan, thanks for the conclusion of that blown engine lol. At least we know the end game is. Glad the customer is taking care of it well. That is a carnage!! Wow. Damn
I realize inspection holes are useful, but engines generally aren't too happy with them.
The rodents love them tho
I was going the same thing! New self-installing inspection holes, genius! Also, this is why you don't tune to the ragged edge.
that was more like a window lol
Love it ! Although I feel bad for that fellow, but we sometimes have to learn the hard way. I had the exact same issue on my 84 GMC. Sadly I blew it up by going into a river that was to deep, after I swapped the engine my friends nicknamed it the Dolphin, which was well deserved. (school of hard knox) We all learned something the hard way right ?
You do all of that crap to your vehicle be prepared for the results. Thanks for sharing Ivan 👍
Pretty neat. Thanks Ivan! (PS, it's great when you look directly into the camera.)
I absolutely love "total carnage" engine videos. More please.
Ha, I actually called the rev limit removal. Worth it though!
Knock Knock who is there ? "ROD"
Hey Ivan Great video you no from 16 yrs old i been driving Hondas and Toyotas but now i'm 51 I just bought a Chevy Tahoe 2015 with 89000 miles on it i hope this doesn't happen to my 5.3 liter.
Would love to see more AL content. He sounds like a character
Disable rev limiter, disable traction control, disable common sense. Was the owner 17?? If you want high revs get a rotary. Statistics point out that new Viper owners went a short distance before they had a mishap. Can't fix stupid. Can't see cps outout? Can't find cps!!!
I tuned the hemi engine on my challenger but set the perimeters although higher still at a safe limit.
Nice job! I like the external oil cooler AKA the hole-in-the-block!
Shotly after I got my 06 Nissan Frontier V6, I wanted a tune for it.
Got it, installed it, only used it occasionally, AND it wasn't smog legal ( in California), so I had to remove it when smog testing. THAT GOT OLD EVERY OTHER YEAR, so I removed it a few years ago and it never went back in. Gonna keep it that way!
Want lots of power? Buy a (purpose built) Camero, or Mustang , or Charger with the Hellcat engine!
Thanks Ivan for the engine failure review.
If anyone likes more of this stuff - check out the "I do cars" videos. He tears down blown engines all the time.
Absolutely!
There are some interesting engines tore down!
I agree. I subscribe to his channel.
When this kind of stuff happened, a buddy of mine would start singing that old Dave Clark 5 tune: “All the pieces, bits and pieces…” 😄
Some violence was involved, definitely! Thanks, Ivan.
And tune it just a little, not to pieces. There are 3 stages of tuning. I tuned my opel insignia from 165hp/270 nm to 195/310nm. Lowest tune up. Works great.
Wow, he detonated that LS good. On a dyno, I believe it is under less load than on the road, and you NEVER disable the limiter or this very well may happen....and it did, nice inspection hole in the block. Ladies and gentlemen, the rods have left the building!
Just reading about a shop who replaced a transmission with a dealer supplied unit. They are going through a warranty claim on it now and the dealer wants pictures of the exhaust, data with engine running from the scanner pertaining to egr and fuel pressure. Under hood pictures. No messing around anymore
Good for them. If people want to modify stuff, they can pay for it when it breaks.
A former customer said his truck needed a new engine and I said good luck. Even if it did, it could take months. Jasper and the like are at least three months out.
@@pantherplatform I would go without before i purchased any product from Jasper. Nothing but trouble.
@@JOHNSUE28 They really tanked in quality havent they. I wouldnt trust them
JBW.....yep, I've installed a couple Jasper engines and trans in customer vehs.....they have a I THINK either 12/12 or 3/36 warranty or something along those lines, BBUUTT.... That warranty is only good for one use. Northstar engine in a Cadi I swapped, it was literally only 1 month old, had catastrophic internal failure, bad bearings. After lots of back-n-forth, they finally sent another engine, again,BUT, as soon as the shop signed for it, the warranty ended. Even w theoretically 11 months left, no more warranty. I'd almost rather buy a good used engine, replace any warn parts and install it!
He should have install an A/F sensor to monitor the fuel trims. I bet he probably did have some fun on the snow!
We need an ivan in ny you are awesome and my favorite machanic
Good morning everybody
Good morning Sir !!!
A pricey lesson to learn 😲
I guessed right back in Feb.... Tuned, removed rev limiter, and voila, box-o-parts.
Advanced crank case ventilation.
That right there is a cold air intake and free-flowing exhaust, cleverly combined into a single efficient, compact system.
Not CA Smog compliant.
Rather amazing that thing was able to spin
Well its only a little hole, a bit of tin and some jbweld would fix it :-D
The lesson to be learnt is: If you get a little bit extra performance then be happy.
You know you are living on the edge when you fall off once and a while.
I had a Chevy trailblazer with 4.2 that was locked up an I replaced the engine but couldn't spin motor to get torque converter bolts out so I pulled the torque converter with it bolted to the flywheel fun times
Other than the hole on the side, that engine looks really clean.
My guess is that it wasn't ONLY the tune and it possibility being a little on the lean side. If that were the case, he may have overheated the piston, seized the rings and scored the cylinders. Maybe even burned a hole in a piston because of detonation. My guess is he was playing in the snow, spinning well over the limit and probably hit dry pavement shocking the engine and drive train a few times. Do that a few times and then just that one more time of 9000rpms and she gives up the ghost! It is quite evident that this guy was totally oblivious to the fact that his engine was coming apart while he was doing whatever he was doing. It was broke and he was still "Giving her the beans"! Let's see how long it is before he comes back to have you check out his transmission....?
Yes, David. I would place bet the root cause of this carnage is linked directly to the Owners right foot. And the ability to lie also. And upgrading the power incorrectly. It just makes it more difficult for us professionals.
Nice damage!
This is the new GM active fuel management cylinder displacement deletion removal technique
childs play. once had a big cam cummins split the block in half. only thing holding it together was the head bolts. pulled the head off the back of the block flopped like a dead seal on a tipping iceberg
I suggest if you tune your truck you tune it for MPG. Because gas ain't cheap. Thanks Joe.
reminds me of when a guy when I was in high school thru 2 push rods through a valve cover on a his chev 350 :)
Some life lessons come more costly than others...
Why on earth would you remove the rev limiter? It is there for a very good reason
A mistake he won't do again!
It probably was fine until he changed things after the tune, thus changing the fuel mixture.
I'm wondering if there was a hint something was going wrong....
I'd love to send you some carnage pics sometime... I see some good ones from time to time....
Yeah, when he revved it to 10k.
Could I get a link to the previous video so I know what you're talking about?
He had to do something crazy because LS motors can take a lot of HP upgrades. Definitely too lean and too much RPM to do that damage
Too much of something, not enough of something else ! LOL Can’t fix stupid ! LOL
Had the same thing happen I bought a 2004 Silverado with a blown engine. I have no idea how it happened but it had a hole in the exact same place, behind the starter. dissecting the engine it was really clean inside. It broke a connecting rod but no signs of oiling issues. I think it was over revved.
The Gen 3 LS engines had problems with the valley mounted knock sensors detecting sudden damaging detonation on the rear 2 cylinders when the rear steam vents ports were plugged (ie blocked off from the factory). Using a junkyard 2 port vent tube with a brass 1/4" tee and proper 1/4" coolant hose will fix the problem. Probably not a bad idea to do the same on a Gen 4 as well.
I'd place 85% blame on the tuner. It is NOT easy to grenade an N/A LS engine this bad.
I have to agree with you, you can push these engines to well over a 1000HP on stock bottom end. And over revving it would cause valve float long before rod failure. Something not right with the tune for sure.
I have a 2014 Silverado with 135,000 trouble-free miles, I race it in the sand dunes and tow a lot and have not had one problem with the engine.
I'm thinking GM may have cheaped out on these newer generation engines. Wouldn't shock me - it's a trend that's been happening over 20 model years now with every component. Every year they get worse and worse. The older LS lower ends could take 1,300-1,400 HP before the con rods would bend. Even then, they'd BEND, not shatter into 5 pieces. These were junkyard engines, too! Some already had 200k miles on them! Plenty of CZcams vids out there of a few guys doing this.
@@SmittySmithsonite to force us to buy electric vehicles..
@@philllsxga.7737 That wouldn't surprise me one bit!
The owner learned a very expensive lesson. Hopefully, a few people learn from his mistake.
When a "joy" ride turns into disaster. 😰
This was an expensive lesson for this guy.
A very expensive lesson 😅😅
So how do you attach a scope to the piston and connecting rod??? 😃🤣🤣
That's what i call "POSITIVE CRANKCASE VENTILATION"
I never change anything unless it is absolutely necessary. With new vehicle and extended warranty, DO NOT want to void the warranty.
With the price of gas at the moment I think most people will at least drive more sensibly. If the prices keep going up my Sequoia will end up just being a lawn ornament and I will be forced to use my old Celica GT convertible as my daily driver. With 230,000 miles not sure how long it will last and not ideal in winter.
A "tune". Called it.
In mid 80s I assisted a young couple in a Dacia north of Toronto. I showed them connecting rod hole in side of block. They were convinced it could be fixed . Felt bad for them. Waste of money on a crappy car.
Used to hot rod them in the old days, and yes blew a couple engines!! This isn’t something new. Thought it was fun then!!!!
That’s a catastrophic engine failure
It’s all good Ivan!!. Just another Chevy
Grab a motor from the junk yard and SEND IT!!… that’s why there’s so many out there.
Yes yes I know some are on back order threw GM, but what can I say? I can’t stop buying them 😂
As the saying goes… you wanna play you gotta pay!
Is there a code for "uncle rodney came for a visit"?
The real thing is not the tune or after market stuff running lean will probably melt pistons the disable of the rev limiter is the culprit ,to pass a rod thrue a bloock is over spin and lack of lubrification,The rods bolts have is own limits.
so you called it right
What sort of scanner is required to change something like a rev limit? Is that on the same level as deactivating the DOD or programming the VIN in a new ECM?
No scanner does it, you need aftermarket tuning software (HPTuners, EFI Live)
@@FunnyMuffler Hey, thanks!!!
Must have been an extremely high output starter to do that much damage ;)...
Ничего себе!
The guy who did the engine swap seems honest and fair. That's alot of labor invoved. God bless
I hate it when that happens...
Why or What caused it to grenade. Low oil revein the crap out of it under load.? Spun bearing owner had MJ on the stereo at100% couldn't hear the rod knock.?
Ivan... Link the original video... I remember it though
a gm tech told my father not to sell his 2013 because it was the last good year and he was replacing newer engines at very low miles
Moral of the story leave the governor alone. Don't know why that had to be said
Always cover your butt lol I always hated the customer that when we put a used engine in they the client any extras like change the rear main seal on valve cover gaskets and they don't want any spark plugs or water pumps or belts and I told hey I don't give you any warranty don't change any of that mostly case the junk yards wont
Lemme guess, it had a cold air intake, was chipped, tuned, and modded.
But but but they're perfectly safe... 🙄
I'm just a mean old 'boomer'...
These ls engines are capable of well over a 1000HP on stock bottom end. Which this kid couldn't have made without a turbo or NOS. Definitely something wrong in the tune,and too high rpm would have caused the valves to float,not break a rod like that. I'm suspecting way too much timing set in the tune.
@@bertvisser6423 I'm sure they are capable of that hp. But for low long?
@@billmalec I personally am helping a drag car with a ls here that is dyno'd at around 950HP to the wheels and he's in his third race season on same engine,hasen't touched it for anything other then oil changed and tweaks. He does about 35 race days a year. This kid only has some small mods,an intake,exhaust and a tune,not even a cam or valve springs(which I would recommend as stock valve springs float little over 6k rpm) so he'd be only pushing maybe 250/280hp to the wheel. With a proper tune it could be his daily driver for many years without exploding.
You cannot change the laws of physics. Scotty, Star-Trek.
Over rev....BOOM!
tune or no tune..BOOM!
Now you know the slang term grenade the engine.🤣🤣🤣
Eliminating the rpm limiter? Some folks just ask for trouble. I hope he can afford the result.
would you believe that in pakistan than can and would repair this engine?
Knock knock who’s there piston 4
Not a fan of "tuning" engines. Did he like the cost of his engine replacement?
Almost 300K on my LQ4 ; purrs like a kitten. Stock.
Can somebody throw a dollar figure on this, engine + new parts (water pump, thermostat etc) plus labor? How much did this kid's "little bit of fun in the snow" cost him?
Used motor plus parts. 3.5k
Knock-Knock-
…Who’s There?
RODNEY!!💥🔩⚙️💸
What people dont realise , especially with gm, a good number of running problems can be solved with a service update , but when they tune them , update will take it right back to original, guess who is getting the blame when dpf light comes on , egr etc.....
The fool will remain "anonymous" 😂🤣😆😉
Was it really past the a little JB Weld and NPR? Drive like an old man/lady, and have your daily last past 30. Buy a tuned car at your own risk. Good vid thank you.
After market inspection hole
People don't realize that racing is expensive, and it's not uncommon to go through engines or have to break them down frequently.
Hey, it was fun until it wasn't anymore.
That hole looks a lot like the one I just had on an Acadia 3.6
It is there so the engine can breath better and it is easier to change the oil!
Words of the day _Catastrophic Failure_
Hopefully With the Price of Fuel that puts a Hamper on any Speed Racer Tendencies but we shall see