Kohler Filters: Watch This BEFORE You Buy a Kohler Oil Filter At a Big Box Store!
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Some time ago Bob the Oil Guy did a cut open review of several oil filters. The one thing that was discovered with the Fram was the fact they were using CARDBOARD end caps. I do not know if is still the material used, but, it proved that Fram will cut any corner it can in the construction of their filters and I have NEVER even considered or bought the Fram pieces of shit - EVER....
I have two Kohler engines and have always used Fram PH3614 filters for 30 years and never had a problem with the filter or the engine.
Thank you for this resource & knowledge! I have a leftover (new) Fram TG3614 which was going to be used on a car that is now dead. Will plan to repurpose to my XT1 LT50 this spring!!!
Something that is important to keep in mind, if you cut open a variety of oil filters you quickly find out that the size of the outside can doesn't tell you anything about the size of the filter inside it. Personally I use aftermarket filters anytime I can, most of them are at least as good as the OEM filters. Kohler, Briggs & Stratton, John Deere, etc, DO NOT make their own filters, they buy them from a manufacturer who puts their name on them.
I just did this today. Was searching for alternative to the Kohler filter and found the STP S3614 in a cross reference online. Bought it and 2 qts of 5W-30 STP Full Synthetic for my Kohler 7000 series 22hp. I went 5W instead of 10W because it turns over very slow in cold and thinner oil at startup made it a bit easier after the oil change. Still a 30W at operating temp. Seems to run great and the filter fits perfectly. I paid under $5 for mine and the full oil change was just under $20 with full synethetic oil.
Definitely the best video I've seen all week thank you so much you're going to save me so much money every year
I been using the ST3614. It’s Walmart brand. No issues in 5 years.
We just experienced this and installed the shorter one not realizing it and what a mess when it blew off. Phram 7575 works on the XT1 and was crossed referenced at O’Reillys for under $5.00.
FYI STP regular filters and Walmart's "Super Tech" oil filters are the exact same filter. They are called E-Core filters. You can also use Motorcraft filters which translate to the FL910s.
works on my 27HP kohler -- Oil changes and oil flow -- something I believe in. Over the years everything I have STILL RUNS and does not SMOKE! :)
Agreed. The length of a small engine's life is directly tied to fresh oil. If you don't change the oil regularly, you'll be changing the engine regularly hahaha .
Wix 51348 fits my kohler 17.5 and my B & S 16.5 v-twin. $8.99 at O'reillys. Also 1348 NAPA Gold. It is a large capacity filter.
the best way to check if those filters are the same quality would be to cut them open...see what the internals are really made of. I only use Wix anymore...
Just bought a new Bad Boy with a KT740 Kohler 25hp. It came with that medium filter on the motor from the factory.
Good video I like the way you think. I just purchased a mower with the 22hp and I am going to cross reference to see if I can standardize my filter inventory
Thank you sir and good luck!
Just wanted to say thanks I did this on my kohler 7000 24 hp going to try it on another mower I have saved me lota
Good video. Any brand of 3614 equivalent will work. Lots of choice out there. And I doubt that Kohler makes their own filters. Most companies just rebrand from an actual filter manufacturer.
Great info. The local Tractor Supply has both medium and large Kohler filters and they are both between $9 & $10, same price (wierd). But it's great to know that you can buy a regular automobile filter cheaper. Most likely the automobile filter will be a much better product. I have a Cub 54in tractor with a 26hp Kohler and aTroy-Bilt ZTR with a 25hp Kohler and just spent $20 on filters alone. Thank you so much, you just saved me about $10-$15 dollars on my next oil changes. And thanks to justin knuebel for a great conversion chart. It's great to have choices.
I found a cross reference site once, and the automotive filters had nearly the same specs as small engine filters. The components, and functionality were identical.
THEY AREN'T 9.00 & 10.00 at local tractor supply any more, THEY ARE NOW 17.99 at tractor supply,
I couldn't buy them, 24.00 for amsoil oil and 17.99 for oil filter would push a oil change on my LAWNMOWER to around 45.00 not including air filter or gas filter, THAT'S CRAZY
along with 13.00 to fill it up with high performance gas 😃😃
I Use ST3600 or PH3600. It is much longer and has more surface area/filter media. The length/height also allows the oil a better opportunity to cool. Also the 3600 is a very common filter, so easy to find.
Thanks was just looking for a bigger filter cross and you win....Thanks!!
Replace the PH with an XG and you have a filter worth using.
An oil filter is the last place you want to go cheep on.
This is what I was looking for. Thanks!
I switched over to WIX 51394 on my 21 hp Kawasaki, 5.00 on eBay. Wix quality. The Kawasaki filter was over 12 dollars at home depot.
Guess who isn't buying a kohler filter now. I have a Troy Bilt Bronco with a k5400 series 19hp and it has this filter but the larger size from factory and I have been going nuts for an hour looking for one. When I could have gone to autozone and back and changed the oil in that time.
I don't know about these particular filters but when you switch to a different filter you have to make sure that the pressure spring inside the filters the same cuz there's like 9 pounds 7 lb and that'll make a big difference if you put a filter with the wrong pressure will not let it flow
I take it you're talking about the bypass valve which shouldn't be an issue unless you don't change the filter often enough and let it get clogged and/or you're not using the proper winter weight oil for cold temp operation.
Good, useful information.
I would also recommend cross-referencing to WIX filters. They actually make the filters for numerous labels as well as their own brand. I just found out that WIX is sold at O'Reilly's Auto Parts. I will only use WIX or Purolator.
Wix and Purolator are made by Mann Hummel. They’re the best you can get.
WIX filter at oreillys is $25.00.
I discovered my 1996 Miata uses same filter as my 17.5 Kohler.
Thanks for the info I knew there was a better alternative to those over priced filters.
The mower companies are like HD. Want your $$$$$.
Now I just need to know about spark plug
I put a biger k&n oil filter on my Kohler coand ch22 alot longer than a Kohler one
Not a big fan of manufacture filters: If you want high quality filter and willing to spend a little more (I mean you spent $3,000 on a mower, why not invest in descent maintenance). I use a Amsoil oil Filter for the Very Same Engine (Part # Ea 15 K 53 or EA15K53). 10x the filter as these two mentioned above. Also run 10W30 Amsoil small engine in it. $15.45 for nonmember $11.50 for members for the oil filter). Sometimes you get what you pay for (and sometimes you don't with these manufacturer filters). All the Best. Thanks for the video!
You saved the day. Thanks!
The thread and gasket size also cross over to a fram/stp/Supertech 3600 or a wix/microguard/napa 51516 or 1516.
Good info. Thanks Matt!
And that is even longer correct?
On my 24hp you can swap to the larger air filter if you buy a new $15 cover off amazon
Thank You Great video
Thanks ! NOTICE: I was told by the dealer where I bought my XT2 Enduro Cub Cadet yard tractor, 26 horse, Twin....I must use the Kohler brand while the tractor is under warranty to be in compliance.
Jim Dep wasn't told that when we bought our ltx 1040 but the wix cost bout the same
How will they ever know? Just put the Kohler filter on before you have it serviced ;) 😂
My 13 hp Kohler Command took the same filter as a Chrysler 318 v8.
thanks for the info
If you want a filter with excellent history try wix and purelator sorry bad speller these filters will hand down make a difference I’ve been using them almost my entire career as a industrial mech I hope this helps
Kohler usually uses the same manufacturer as stp. Champ labs.
Purolator
My kohler courage 19 hp engine had from new the oil filter # 12 050 02 on it, when i ordered the same number filter via online source I got it the small size that was much smaller in H the dia was the same, obviously they must have stopped producing the larger one. I even ordered after market that claimed they were the larger. “Not” every filter I purchased or found with the number on my original factory equipped filter were wrong.
I Will give the S 3614 a look from autozone btw now $5.99 but still cheaper. 1/2 the price.
I looked at cross reference charts and I did not find the S3614 matching a kohler engine anyplace. Thanks
I totally agree I use fram oil filters on all my mowers and save a ton of money and never had an engine failure with over 5000 hours.
bI've seen two videos on youtube where the top of a Fram oil filter was cut open to reveal the contents. Fram was the worst! It had rust on the inside, etc. If i knew how to link the video, I would because i really want you to see how much of a difference that is hidden from the outside.
@@melissao5673 I haven't had a failure ever so I trust those Fram oil filters
@@melissao5673 To link video simply go to "share" underneath video -click then copy and paste
I agree. Everyone is knocking the Fram filters but I have used hundreds of them with zero problems. Change regularly and you will not have a problem and you will save plenty.
@@Greg-wn2ppagreed + who doesn't like the textured grip on the top?
*ENGLAND* I cross referenced a US branded filter, to find an alternative filter (OEM Kohler 12 050 01) i can put on my Kohler Courage 19hp sv590 here in England. A came up with a Crosland L10180PS filter which is used on a 2004 Mazda 3 2.0 Petrol. The thread is the same at 3/4 inch, and the diameter of the rubber seal is about 1-2mm larger which hasn't created any issues, the filter itself has a slightly larger volume, which isn't an issue for me but could be if you had a much smaller engine with this filter type. So far i'm very happy as this filter only cost me £3.90 from Halfords as i got it price matched with Euro Car Parts. Let me know if this is of any help.
Thanks for the tip
A 3600 is taller than a 3614, a ford v8 80's filter is that, but larger diameter
My son has a 37 horse, Briggs & Stratton, vanguard engine, and I was wondering what cross references from the 842921 oil filter to something else I have a bunch of color that I bought from Jay Thomas when I had a different mower with a Kohler on it
Dam i wish i seen this yesterday..Ill be switching from now on
Supertech (Walmart in stock) as ST 3614 for under $4. Same exact size, same thread. Peer in through the threaded hole on the ST 3614 vs the 52-050-012 and you'll notice the exact same metal grid pattern holding back the same looking paper media. (ST 3614 is the knock off to Fram 3614 BTW). Enjoy and keep posting tip$ my friends...we're all in this together.
Thanks for this info!!!..was wondering if the T in ST3614 made a difference lol. First time changing my lawn mower oil n filter. I'm gonna get their SAE 10W-30 5qt oil as well.
Thank you for sharing, we have a Cub Cadet ZT1 LT46 Model #13APA1CT056 with the Kohler 7000 Series KT-725 engine and the label lists the oil filter KH-12-050-01-S: I need to find a correct alternative brand to save money.
What I am going with is the 3614...3600 also seems to be referred to on Bob Is The Oil Guy...3614 is more widely available and less expensive...suits my needs
I use Bosch Premium filters. Twice the price as the STP, but it's only $8. Still less than the crappy OEM Kohler. Worth the investment once a season for a better-performing filter. JMO
Been using a Motorcraft FL910s in my Courage 19 for 3 years
Yep. And those are the same motorcraft filters that are called for on my wife's 2016 2.0 ecoboost fusion. So I use that motorcraft filter on my Toro Timecutter 24.5HP v twin zero turn Toro motor. Great filter. I was using the blue STP filter S3614 before I realized that the motorcraft FL-910s I use for the Fusion is exact match up as the blue STP filter.
Anyone had any thread issues of the filters not matching? I used the S3512 when it was new as one of the filters I bought had the wrong threads.
How do you like your lawnmower?
Different brands at different prices usually made at the same factory since the producers don't have their own factory just for filters. The local small machines repair shop charges 40!! dollars for an oil filter to my Husqvarna LT151 here in Norway.
Motor craft fl-400s works as well, but only on tractors most zero turns I’ve seen don’t have enough clearance.
Motorcraft fl910S is what i use on my Cub cadet rzt 7000 series 24 hp
@@danielpadgett2831where do you get it? Was just at Wal-Mart and they didn't have the FL910s but they had the 400s
I was going to go all oem though I did use an aftermarket filter last time. Does anyone happen to know the interchange for the fuel filter. The interchange site that has a lot of cross reference for oil filters didn’t have much on the fuel filter. Car quest and some other brand. Koehler 24 050 13 s1 is what my club cadet is suppose to take
@TRIAL N' ERROR can you or somebody PLEASE tell me, do these filters work on the Kohler 5400 series engine?? I cant find the original filter ANYWHERE!
Nice video. I used to work for AutoZone for a number of years and it was very common for people to come in and buy a cheaper car filter for the lawn mower. They can also cross reference part number to your Kohler or John Deere filter to an equivalent STP or Wix or whatever filter. It's not a big deal, those filters take a lot less abuse in a mower for 100 hours than a car for 5 or 6 thousand miles.
Couldn't agree more!
Wix is far better choice than Fram too
I wonder if is wise to use the Kohler until at least the warranty expires?
I use the Royal Purple oil filter, 10-2835, it is 1/2 larger than a 5205002S, and a lot better than the OEM oil filter..........
Michael Butler when it comes to small engines,,, bigger is not better. The more oil in your filter means less oil in your engine which cud b catastrophic.Dont trust these weekend mechanics.
I have a Cub Cadet 20HP, and use a S3614 or equivalent. I got the Carquest $5 filter, R84358. Apparently this size fits 50-60 cars and trucks: everything from the Yugo, Geo Metro, to the brand new Bronco!
Fram equivalents: PH8172 for the short version. PH7575 for the long version.
I pray god, FRAM doesn't make the STP filter. LOL Cross reference for WIX. Liked and subscribed. BTW, what's the measured height on that model STP?
Wal-mart SuperTech 3614 works fine, it's $3.00.
Need some help by means of replies by those that have used the STP S3614. After removing the original filter, lubricating the gasket with some oil I found the first couple threads went right on (turned easlly (getting the thread started) after that I found it extremely difficult screwing the resy of the oil filter on. Anyone have similar problem. Thanks
Thanks!
NAPA Platinum made by WIX is by far the best filter on the market and far better than STP and is usually $1more than the NAPA Gold! Measure the thread on the bottom of your
original filter. Go to your NAPA store early in the morning and order the Platinum if you must. It will be there the next day. Order a longer filter if you can. You will be effectively doubling the filter element area and using the best quality filter. Also, Kohler's and Kawaski's recommended oil is a synthetic blend. However, synthetic blends can be only 20% synthetic. I use full synthetic Royal Purple with zinc. I own a commercial onion farm with all sorts of tractors, trucks, and machinery. I have owned three Kohler-powered Cub Cadets. I used to do engine jobs, at least once a year with full Mobile One synthetic and NAPA Gold filters. Since I switched to Royal Purple with zinc and NAPA Platinum nothing has broken period. The 750 hr Kohler Courage is now up to 2250hrs. It still burns clean. Use full synthetic grease too. Valvoline is the best as some others will separate while in the cartridge into oil and grease. Since Valvoline, out of hundreds of greaseable bearings, none has died. With regular grease, my bearing pullers were essential tools. Now they are in the bottom drawer of my tool rack. This is a great video. Forgive me for trying to expand on it. I just had to let you folks know. Machinery costs have skyrocketed. This is a way to make them last. Oh, and keep your air and fuel filters clean.
The kohler 7000 series 24 hp will take a Walmart super tech st3614, which is $2.84 and works the same!
You got to love Wally world lol Thanks
That’s what I put on my Briggs. It’s a little bigger. But it works fine. I mean if it’s rated for a car’s engine. It should be fine for your lawn mower. But I have clearance to use in my situation.
I have 1100 hours on a Koehler Command, using nothing but Walmart filters since the first oil change.
Bingo I use that also, Motocraft has a match if you wanna spend an extra dollar and feel smug
@@springfield03sniper hi there, what type of oil do you use. I have a kohler 22hp 7000 series and I use Castrol edge full synthetic
I can buy 3 Toyota filters for the price of 1 for my Tecumseh and it is a little longer
Only thing I would do different is use oil specifically for small engines
Higher zinc content is better for small engine and it isn't THAT much more expensive
Wow! This is wonderful information. Do you know if this filter scenario would be the same for the Kawasaki 850 25 HP engine?
Yes it is though I'm not sure of the part numbers for a Kawi. Hopefully someone knows and will reply. Thanks for watching!
Napa filter number is a 1348. The silver should be around $3.50 and the Napa Gold around $6.00. Great video!
Wix makes Napa
@@danielriley5083 Yes they do
Just a note to Kohler owners. The size of the filter does enter into the price or quality of the filter. Do your research. What matters is the micron size of the paper portion of the filter. Smaller microns does a superior job of filtering out any contaminants that may damage your engine.
I agree to a point. Size matters in terms of surface area for the pleats, most would call that a quality/lifetime feature. Not to mention it equates to lower static pressure for the oil pump.
There is a tradeoff between oil filtration vs oil flow where a filter can theoretically filter particles of sub-micron size, but, the oil FLOW will be reduced considerably = probable engine damage due to insufficient oil flow.... At least through the warranty period it would be wise to use the OEM maintenance parts and then AFTER warranty, use a quality - name brand filter.... I would NOT want to give the engine manufacturer ANY reasons/EXCUSES to deny a claim by using sub-standard parts....
I just did my first oil change and I got the parts at Lowe's I got a Arnold oil filter, same size As factors oil filter for 3 dollars cheaper
I’ve used 3614 but just picked up a 3600, looks like same thread and O-ring size but a little longer.
Must be Metric thread it doesn’t fit
Is correct just larger capacity
Have a 25hp Kohler 7000 series...anyone know of a source for air filters besides Kohler?
3512 is exact S 3512 stp etc is the small one 3614 is medium one 3600 largest PH is Fram S is STP
Lol I rebuild about 4 to 5 commercial kohler engines a year and service about 50+ a year I have never in my life bought a kohler filter, I use the wix that crosses to the 3614 filter. And fyi the 3614 filter is used on many automotive engines up to 4.0l displacement
My 2010 Tacoma uses a 3614 filter.
I have used Fram filters it's whole life, NEVER had a problem! 131k miles on the engine, smooth as butter. Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 5w-30 oil as well.
Will the STP filter work on a CV15S engine?
God bless it I wished I would have watched this video before I went to HD and dropped 14 bucks on that damn filter.... well I have the numbers written down and won’t do that again!!..... thanks for the information
Anytime buddy. Thanks for watching!
Can you do a video for the Kawasaki engines too. I’ve bought my first filter and I’m already tired of it.
Thank you
I a 17.5 koller
The inside of the filter is what matters,, not the can. Different brands use different filtering materials and numbers of layers.
Agreed. Thanks very much for watching!
Thanks for this video! I've got a Troy Bilt mower with the 22hp Kohler, & I've always bought the genuine oil filter at about $18.00 each. Thanks to this info, l just bought a Car Quest #R85394 for $3.99 + tax!!! 👍😁👍
Wal-Mart supertech st3614 for less then $3.
Matt Beeramid...Thanx for the info, but I know the Car Quest filters are made by Wix (the best name in filters), AND they're reasonably priced, so that's what I'm going to stick with. 👍👍
I always have been told WIX makes many brands of filters and are the best ones. I would love to know who makes the STP brand. OH,, OK,, Champ Labs from comment below! Why SYNTHETIC OIL? My Koehler Command 16hp takes SAE 30 . And yes.. at Auto Zone its the lowest price at 3.99/qt. Why buy 5 qts of oil when the engine like mine only takes 2 qts. ? NAPA filters are made by WIX from what I was told.
Coming up on my 5 hour break in oil change. My question is will a different brand of oil filter void the manufacturing warranty? I couldn't find anything about that in the manuals.
Did the oil filters work out no issues
Napa 21348mp fits All Kohler and Kawasaki and Briggs nuff said
just sayin, the STP S3614 crosses to a Amsoil EA15K51, which is gonna be better than anything walmart or any local parts store carries.
they re the same
I have the kohler 7000 series engine on my tractor it only has 40 hours on it. I have been using the kohler brand 10w30 oil. Can I use another brand such as napa 10w30 or should I stick with the kohler branded? Someone mentioned special additives in the kohler
You absolutely can use any brand of oil. Just stay with the weight recommended and you're good to mow!!
I think there is something special about those Kohler oil filters kohlers name is on them
lol.
Will this work with a Courage SV541 18HP ?
I agree with you but this won’t work on an XT1. I tried and I need the smaller filter.
It depends on which engine size your XT1 has
It depends on what size your XT1 engine is. The single cylinder has a vertical mount for the filter giving more room vs the side mount
You should cut them open for a comparison , on another video they cut open four different filters, the more expensive genuine parts filter was made much better. You can't tell much by just looking at them, you need to cut them open.
Bingo, best answer yet. @@Trialnerror
napa gold 1361 holds 3/8 quart .. $3.50
Is this filter the same as the ST3614?
Would this work on Kohler 7000 26hp?
Also cross reference to a Fram PH3614
There's a big difference in quality of oil filters, and it usually reflects the price. Stay away from cheap oil filters people. Cut them open and see for yourself.
The next time you're in the store where lawn equipment is sold, hold the factory air filters up to the knock off brands like 'Arnold' and you can really see the big difference in quality. Oil filters are no different.
While there are some cheap filters out there really if you using quality oil and changing your oil on a regular basis the chances of a failure even with a cheap filter are slim to none. Now if your using an improper cross yes quality or cheap your increasing your chances. If your attempting to go for extended periods of time you should use an OEM or at least a quality cross!
Can I use this oil on a i1050 cub cadet?
The large Kohler filter is the same part number as the Ford escape
Cool, I have both
And 05 Chrysler Sebring
Hey. Thanks for the video. Does this also apply to the 5400 engine?
yes
I'm not out to save money on an oil filter. You don't change oil often enough to worry about price (unless maybe you own a landscaping service). I want the BEST filter. You can't tell anything from the outside. What matters is the material and surface area of the filtering part inside.
Well, they way I see it is if it's good enough for a $8,000 engine in my car I figure it's good enough for the $400 engine in my mower.
Trial N' ERROR so you going to risk a $400 engine behind a $3 filter if you can afford a $2800-3000 homeowner zero turn you can afford a $12 dollar filter come on ppl get real
O.k. I have a question about the air filter, is there suppose to be a lil oil up in the filter housing?
ok. thank you for your speedy response. thanks for the video
Smaller engine oil filters mount vertically, larger KOHLER engines mount horizontally
I was charged 19.00 for a oil filter at cub cadet factory store. It will be going back
Don't forget to pick up the Cub Cadet jacket, and hat. ;)