Kohler 5205002 Oil Filter, Supertech ST3614 Oil Filter, Supertech MP3614 Oil Filter Comparison
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2022
- Oil Filter Inspection.
Are these three oil filters the Same?
Would you use them? Let's open them up and see what's inside!
Kohler 5205002 oil filter: www.propartsdirect.net/kohler...
Supertech St and MP 3614: www.walmart.com/ip/SuperTech-...
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I've used Fram # 3614 on my JD since it was new. It's a 2015
I have been using the supertech oil filters on lawn mowers for years. Loved the video
Thank You!
How nice of Ashton to send it to You! Another great review, Pete! 👍
Yes it was,
Thanks Ella!
@@WhipCityWrencher 👍😊
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 know /see👨🔧good job !! WCW
Thanks for all you do
You are so welcome.
Thanks You👍
I would love to see more small engine oil filter comparisons. Get Stens and wiz into the lineup with the OEM filters.
Because of your videos I finally got the proof of quality i needed to buy an MP3614 filter for my little Ford Fiesta. I had been using Wix, but have not been as happy with their new design or Motorcraft since they changed manufactures. I really wish Supertech made the FL1A equivalent filter in the MP series, but so far only the ST8 is showing. Many more are stopping production of the FL1A filter and moving to the shorter alternative filter. I guess they all work since they are 3/4" 16 thread outlets with identical gaskets.
Thank You!
The FL1A also fits my Ford Explorer.
The oil filters that I like to use are the Fram Boss and Fram Titanium.
They are expensive but very well-made oil filters.
What's nice are the Supertechs ST3614 are usually stocked on the shelf at Walmart for under $4.
They’re the same as the kohler. Now the st has a dome bypass instead of the combo valve
Very good review Pete! Nice of Ashton. The Supertech oil filter looks decent/good. TFS Merri :)
Thanks, Merri!
nice sharing!!
Nice job Whip! I rebuilt the engine on the Craftsman about 2 years ago. Honed cylinder, new piston rings, etc. It’s been a fantastic engine. Last I checked compression was still right around 147PSI. Tons of torque from this little 17HP. It always gets early oil changes because I baby it. I’ve since switched to Fram Ultra XG3614 and ST Full Syn 4-Cycle 10W-30.
That's a great reading for a stock non performance type engine.
Thanks, Ashton!
looks like a Nice lawn tractor!
and Thanks for the oil filter!👍
When Champion first introduced that ADBV/bypass valve combo I saw a diagram of how it works published somewhere. It may have been on BITOG.
Thanks, Gary,
If you find that diagram let me know, I would like to see how it is explained.👍
Great job Pete
Thank You!
All three are champ labs. The ST and kohler are identical minus the bypass style. They’ve updated the newest ST to a traditional bypass valve
The Kohler OPE filter older style Champ Labs ecore with a nitrile "combo valve", (bypass and adbv in one) and polyester endcaps. Looks like ST3614 identical internals to Kohler, but for significantly less cost. MP3614 has a 'real' separate poppet type dome bypass and silicone adbv, metal endcaps. And, it's still much less expensive than the Kohler. Here MP3614 the clear winner, likely worth extra $2.50. Fyi, automotive (3614) application always less expensive than the OPE application. Some OPE are shorter than Kohler 02, so need to confirm space for longer 3614. Motorcraft 910S also a good inexpensive option for OPE. ST3614=Kohler 02, for much less $$$. MP3614 FTW. Thanks for vid. 👍
Best video yet! I love finding a cheaper alternative as long as it's Made in USA, which the ST filters are. The MP is definitely the way to go and it would also work on my B&S and Kawasaki engines because I've used Kohler filters on those engines before.
Thank You!
"The MP is definitely the way to go..." EXACTLY!👍 Another wise WCW viewer who gets it. No need for cheapo combo valve and felt caps when real metal spring dome bypass, superior silicone adbv and metal end caps available. Another check mark for MP, FTW.
Seeing as the ST looks identical to the Kohler I'm going with that. I put maybe 30 hours a year on my tractor and change the oil every 2 years. Thanks for saving me some cash!
Hi Mike,
You're Welcome and Thanks for Sharing👍
Kohler 7000 series 22hp is what I have and just did oil change today
Thank you
You're Welcome!
Interesting! I run this filter on my son's '13 Ford Focus Duratech and typically go with the Supertech MP version which clearly based on your tear down is the better filter. However, this last change I went with the lower end (white) Supertech filter and do note that it actually has a black ADBV on it! So not the same as the one you show so for ~$3 less it's not actually that bad of a filter for a basic 5K oil change.
One thing I'd like to mention is some of the ST versions have metal end caps whereas the Mp versions all have metal end caps. Thanks for Sharing!👍
Great job!! It's sure good to have alternatives for that Kohler filter!! On my two Kohlers and one B&S, I use the Motorcraft FL-910-S. $4 at WalBangerz, readily available and decent build. I like the MP 3614...I'd go with it out of these three.
@@01mustang05 I didn't realize that about the Motorcraft. I guess I love living dangerously! And at one time I thought the MP was made in the US by Champion Labs. But, that may be internet rumors. If the motors shell due to an oil filter, then they weren't worth keeping, I guess. Either way, I won't lose sleep over it.
@@jefweb5043 Absolutely nothing wrong with the 910S, even 'if' some supposed microscopic media view show some nebulous unconfirmed info, it isn't a reliable indicator of media efficiency. 910S an excellent value OPE option with silicone adbv and real thread end mechanical bypass. If you like it keep using it. And great call on MP3614, clear winner here. Construction FAR superior to other two. 👍 And all the filters in vid are made by Champ Labs, so you are right again. Batting 1000.
Thank You Jeff!
I think I'd use the cheapest one. Oh yeah that's what I do. As long as it's not fram. Thank you for doing the exposition
Owning a lawn tractor with a Kohler engine, I have always used the OEM filter when changing the oil and it always cost more than $10. Thanks to Whip, I now know that there is nothing special about the filters other than they cost twice what the same filter with a different color and sticker costs.
Thanks, Jeff!👍
Yep, while I like all Whip's filter dissections, this one provides an eye opener for folks using OPE filters. The equivalent automotive application at least as good, but often better OEM, and for much less cost.
I opened one of these recently. After about 100 hours it was very clean (as expected) but the anti drain back/bypass valve appeared fairly stiff and warped (kinda) I doubt that it was working very effectively as an anti drain back valve. As Pete has recently opened a new Kohler Yellow filter they are made by a different manufacturer these days.
I've been wondering what those 3614's look like inside since it cross references from the Mopar MO-409. I wonder what the Supertech version of the MO-090 looks like.
I think a WIX or Supertech MP would be a good alternative to the Kohler filter.
Looks like the ST and the Kohler 5205002 are pretty much the same filter. If choosing between the 3, would take the MP for the metal end caps, silicone anti-drainback valve and a bit better overall construction. Ride a Cub Cadet LT46 with a Kohler 7000 Series engine. My personal choice would be the Purolator One 10241for the Cub Cadet.
I always use a Motorcraft on my Husky ride on... Briggs & Stratton.
@@01mustang05 Just double-checked... its a Briggs 24 horse Intek V-Twin. Filter is a Motorcraft FL-400s.
I hear you Some... but this machine has 830hrs on her now so... I can't complain. An old timer gave me the Motorcraft tip many years ago.
Whether the 910S or longer 400S if space permits both of them excellent as OPE oil filters. MC use superior silicone adbvs, real thread end bypass. The old timer knows his stuff about MC filters for lawn mowers. Great value filters. 👍
@@faxmen09 Hey Fax... when old timers speak? I listen, lol.
Thanks for the info... 👍🏽🍻
Have used 3614 filters on my riding mowers for at least 15 years, never a problem, and are cheaper than the mower filters that the engine calls for
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for Sharing!👍
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I think that the MP oil filter has 110 sq-inches of filtering [2.05x54] making it the filter that I would choose.
I use Supertech synthetic oil in my ride-on mower and after a full season, the old oil looks exactly like the new oil fresh from the container.
Nope in the video the MP is 1.58x54 making it 85.32 sq inches just as he states, so it definitely has the smallest filtering surface capacity of the three. Now as far as I'm concerned, I want filtering first out of an oil filter, so I'd probably go with the ST before the MP for my Kohler 24hp engine, especially since it's identical to the manufacturer's recommended Kohler filter and a lot cheaper
wow thanks for the trouble. where did you find that filter can opener? handy for checking for particals in the pleats
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I bought the white one. I hope it doesn't DESTROY my engine
had pretty good luck with super tech oil filters & oils 350k miles on a 4 banger run about shop car thats used 7 days a week (420mi)
Thanks for Sharing!👍
WHICH filter
I like the MP. just a better filter for the price !
Good call!
I'd like to see the regular Kohler filter and the Kohler Pro (the one that offers 300hrs in between changes) to see the differences between the two. Just an idea if you're looking for content ideas.
Thanks, I put it on my to-do list.
Sounds like a great idea. 👍 Since the oil it's marketed with is made by Amsoil, I'd be interested to see if it's essentially the same filter as the Amsoil EA15K51 which fits Kohler 7000 series engines.
All the MP supertech filters I've checked recently have a rubber ADV. And I went to 3 Walmart and all the same.
Guess they are also having the same problems as the Fram oil filters. Hope that straightens out soon.
Thanks for Sharing!
@@WhipCityWrencher Agree. Hope FB gets those blue silicone adbvs back in the MP series.
Interesting to see the Kohler how it looks compared to super tech and yes they are all made by champion. So about the only difference would be the OEM might have been made to their specs. And this day and age with the advancements and small engine technology to becoming more and more obvious to use good filtration and lubricants. I've been highly surprised about the Walmart line. When it comes to those filters, I seem to be fairly decently made. Champion make so many other name brands. They seem to have a pretty good idea as to how they are made. Since they have to be the largest filter producer ...
Looks like the only OEM difference is the yellow paintjob & the sticker ....it's basically a SuperTech that's yellow
@@daewooparts Agreed! ST= Kohler for much less cost.
Looks like you pay extra for the Kohler name...
OPE applications filters always more expensive than equivalent automotive application.
As with most things
I would use the Super Tech filter on my 09 Chevy Impala but it is a lot shorter than say an AC Delco filter.
What size ACDelco does your Chevy take?
@@WhipCityWrencher PF61
I NEVER by those small engine OE filters. They're very expensive and 'standard' quality. I've found that the Kawa, Briggs (and Kohler too) take the same filter. I forget the number but I upgraded from the small 'pancake' style. 3 years ago I used a Wix XP once and since use either the Purolator One or Boss. I have a 27hp Briggs on my ZT and use Mobil 1 15-50w and change every season (20-30 hours on the Hobbs). I like the tapping plate on the Purolator better.
Kohler, Series 7000 in my Husqvarna...............I use Royal Purple filters and 10w30 RP HPS oil...........The Boss is a good filter, just use a high ZINC engine oil
@@michaelbutler9528 I've been using the M1 15-50 since it was new. Since these are air cooled engines it's really important to use a good synthetic oil. The oil is a coolant too. I'm not sure they would really benefit from a 'zinc' oil but it wouldn't hurt. I have a mech. oil pressure gauge and cyl head temp gauge on mine. The OP is usually 45psi on cold start and settles down to 40 hot. The head temp stays right around 340 unless the fan air intake gets plugged, then I've had it go up to 350.
They are all well made and look like they fell off the same assembly line. I’d say with pretty much everything being equal go for the price.
Great 👍👍👍👍
The MP may be a Champ XL filter. They are 99% at 20 microns, metal end caps, silicon ADBV, etc
Hi Krispin,
but they're rated for 99% at particles greater than 30 microns.
@@WhipCityWrencher The regular champ are yes, I believe the XL is rated at 20microns at 99%
Gm whip 🖐
Any chance you know of a longer/larger filter that fits?
ST3600 if you have the room
Nylon cage and felt end caps worry me
Id get the MP filter for several reasons... Metal end caps, silicone ADBV, pressure relief valve, more pleats and stretched out longer. I honestly also felt under the microscope showed better filter media more consistent looking. Plus it was middle priced Kohler inferior cost more and it was only a few bucks more than the most inexpensive filter.
For me it's a no brainer 🧠 MP is the best filter here.
Nice review 👍
Spot on, drum. MP, FTW! 👍
Thanks Drum!
MP costs nearly 2x the ST
I'm confused as to why some of the ST-10k mile filters have metal endcaps and some don't, I saw a previous video with a "blue" ST-10k mile filter that had metal endcaps but the "white" ST-10k filter in this video has non-metal end caps.
Hi Deion,
I don't know why that is either, but if you get the MP Supertechs they all have metal endcaps with a silicone anti-drain back valve.
Ya and i noticed the st ones have drain back valves usually but not on this one how strange and usually doesnt have all those extra holes either like this one does
Kohler makes great toilets 🚽 no wonder why it has the Champ lab /supertech roll of TP 🧻 as the filter element 😉
Best comment today .
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Just changed my oil today, Chevy Silverado 2018 3500. Using the fram ultra synthetic. Thought of you when I shit canned it. Would you be interested? If so next one I will send
Yes, I would. Let me know next time you do your filter change.
@@WhipCityWrencher You got it. Going to be a good few months. At that point I will contact you send a link or address
8:51 Well, what kind of bypass is it?🤦🏻♂️
@@01mustang05 But... in this video I have seen only *inlet* holes and no any bypass valve.
@@Andrew__Smith The nitrile adbv also acts as a cheap bypass (combo)valve too. Why the extra central set of holes on base plate. Don't sweat the design details. It's totally a cost saving measure instead of using a real poppet dome bypass like the MP has. Much as nitrile adbv reliable for shorter interval, and since bypass combined, same goes for it. The MP gets it right with superior separate metal spring bypass.
8 - 11 psi bypass
All made by same company one with metal end caps and more media.. But, you have to pay double for Kohler name
To be fair, all OPE filters cost more than the automotive equivalent.
I will never use an oil filter with cloth or cardboard end caps... it's a huge deal breaker for me
Why ?
@Nathan Smith that cardboard comes apart and gets into the passages and or clogs up the pickup screen...seen it many times
My 2018, Husquvarna, Kohler Series 7000 engine...........RP filter, with RP 10w30 HPS oil.......To expensive to use crap oil filters and engine oil
Actually SuperTech engine oil is pretty good oil & is made by Warren oil ,PF tested it & it passed with flying colors
@@daewooparts Yep. Lab tests don't lie. Only 3 oils better (marginally better) but at a way higher price and one was more than double..
@@GT-mn3bx Real lab tests, certs and approvals (API, ILSAC and Dexos), don't lie. PF oil testing is not that, it's pseudo-science "testing" masquerading as true science (certs, approvals) oil testing. Super Tech is fine oil with current API, ILSAC and Dexos certs and approvals.
@@faxmen09 He gets Blackstone reports on the oils before and after all the tests including the overheated oil.
@@GT-mn3bx Kindly take note, I wrote "PF oil testing..." specifically. NOT, sent out Blackstone Labs VOA/UOA analysis results. Two completely different and separate things. PF oil testing procedures are pseudo-science. That, as opposed to true API, ILSAC and Dexos analysis Certs and Approvals. Fact. Outside Blackstone VOA/UOA Labs analysis fits with the latter, not the former.