Hamina-class missile boat | The protector of the Finnish coasts
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- One of the most capable fast attack crafts of the world, we are investigating the Hamina-class. #hamina #missileboat #finnishnavy
What was the Finnish Navy's missile boat work before the-Hamina-class?
What are the features that make this vessel superior to many of its counterparts in the world?
What are the details of the Hamina-class modernization?
What is the importance of missile boats for the Finnish Navy?
00:00 Introduction
01:13 Historical background
02:39 History of missile boat programme of the Finnish Navy
04:12 Hamina-class programme
04:57 Design
05:57 General characteristics
07:03 Electronics and sensors
08:25 Armament
10:56 Analysis
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These are very capable small surface combatants. Other than having to downsize the main gun from 57 mm to 40 mm, they are quite well armed given their small size. I assume the use of aluminum and composite materials is what has served to keep the displacement so low, because otherwise these vessels look like small corvettes to my eyes, rather than "missile boats". Well done, Finland!
Greetings from Sweden my allied friend. Together we defeat the invaders!
This is a superiour information package. I even dare to say as a Finn, that this is all in all the best production out there on the Hamina class - added value is delivered with a solid introduction on Finnish Navy heritage. Well done!
Shit; It is saving pukin millions. Just put it all out there. I'm SURE you are going to scare a PHSYCHOPATH into sanity 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good explanation, but it requires one detail - the addition of pictures of the Archipelago Sea and other Finnish coastal sea routes. They are an unique enviroment for naval hide-and-seek, with roughly 50% more islands than the entire Canadian northern seacoast condensed into a vastly smaller area. Give it a google to understand better, everyone - or better yet, take a sailing vacation there, it is quite beautiful.
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yeah same as the swedish coast lots of tiny islands on the baltic coast also lots of places for submarines and ships to hide
@@nzxt1234 Some submarines might even decide to run aground in those waters.
Anyone remember 1981? It was funny... 😁
@@frigginFin Yeah that was funny XD well you know how easy it it is to" missnavigate " and get stuck nere a swedish naval base ;). and diesel sub that gives out radiation humm.
Well put... That would have made the vid a bit more impactful. It is good in general, though...
Cheers!
It was a honour service my country in Navy one of those.
I love how well-rounded your video's are: history, politics, geography, competitors, specs, upgrades, purpose and vulnerabilities al rolled into one structured story. Keep up the good work!
Well said
Yeah Pukin loves it too.
@@David-dl3vj Care to explain?
I love the Cammo Patterns and how it fits perfectly with the rocky/hilly coast-line.
Sounds like a good boat to defend small countries in a limited budget. Very versital but not a large expensive boat to operate. Could make a good export product. Excellent video on the background politics, geography, etc.
It is small for a purpose, it can move in river systems too.
@@duhni4551 It is needlesly big for a missile boat, but since it has to deal with AA and anti-submarine duties as well as to contribute to minelaying I guess that is what you get. Not exactly every river out there would be traversable by this boat.
@@herptek It can move in pretty damn low waters, it has 1,7m draft. Given it is bit longish but not that wide, it can move more than easily in most of the main rivers here and in Russian rivers in the regions it would have to patrol in case of war (and everything would go as planned) =D
@@duhni4551 Well, the scale of operations just escalated quickly. As much as like to entertain some revisionist claims over Russia, the first priority of our missile boats my not be some special defensive mission in the large river systems of our "near abroad".
Don't get me wrong, naturally Finland needs fleets on the Ladoga and the Onega once Karelia is liberated, if not for practical military necessity then at least as a matter of prestige. We have to assert our dominance!
In our last war we actually had a minisubmarine specially designed so that it could be taken apart and transported from the Baltic Sea into Lake Ladoga to operate there but this was never to be. I have to appreciate the foresight of it, however.
In all seriousness any of our own river systems are dammed for energy production and the rest are not traversable by something like warships going out of the few main spesifically built channels meant to allow vessels to transit between bodies of water. I'm not sure how big a boat would fit those, however.
You do not need bigger ships than corvettes in the Baltic archipelago. Small deadly fast and nimble wins over big and clumsy all day. And that does not mention you can get more corvettes for the same cash over frigates or bigger classes.
There are more island in the Finnish territorial waters than in any other territorial water area in the world, so there is very little space to maneuvre large vessels aggressively, especially outside well-known maritime lines because the waters are also very shallow. The large number of small islands also means radar detection of surface targets is very difficult, so big and powerful radars are of little use. Nimbleness, rather, is the key.
S Korea's coastline is also similarly fronted by many small islands too I think
@@lzh4950 Yes South Korea has about 3800 islands on the coasts as Finland has about 50000 islands on the coastal areas.
@@sauliviitanen3392 When Åland is counted in the archipelago is quite extensive.
This is Brown waters, Thinking when USS Ronald Reagan with its fleet turning at Suomenlahti: Blue Waters. Today White waters.
She goes fastern than 30 knots :D
I haven't serve on that missileboat, but i serve in rauma-class.
And they say same. Well i have been helm of Rauma when it goes fastern than 40.
So this newer desing are slower? Ok.
Thise are very very fast ships, they can hide on the island of Finland and use those shallow waterways as escape routes or shoot out their missiles.
They are sneaky ships :)
Perfect for Finnish shores.
Few of them can bring down you aircraft carrier, they are that deadly.
Cool to see something from my home country on this channel, thanks for making this! I'm sure this has been requested, but it would be cool to see a video on the CV90 from you, since I served as a commander on one of those in the Finnish Defence Forces. Great channel overall, thank you!
I appreciate this channel with honest straight forward info about military equipment and explanations where they fit into the military or navy or airforce scenario. As for the Hamina class missile boat this is very well designed for the purpose it had to fulfill. Bravo.
I've actually been reading about this ship recently so it's awesome to see this video.
Finland is bringing out 4 new ships with similar concept. This time it is Frigate sized Corvette with Destroyers weaponry =D It would be Pohjanmaa Class. Interesting concept, i have to say.
@@duhni4551 It will basically be a shrunk-down Arleigh Burke class destroyer. Pretty harcore!
Just to clarify you. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, in 1990 Finland unilaterally canceled the restrictions the treaty had placed on its military. No one objected so all the military clauses were removed...
Might I add that this was a matter of controversy in Finland, particularly the restrictions on the air force, which were still adhered to until the 2000s.
@@Dimetropteryx yeah but that was voluntary thing. Getting the missiles weren’t an issue since the military restrictions were cancelled.
@@Dimetropteryx Yeah but that's Finnish politics for you, there is always some angry bird. ;)
youre doing great
Canada needs some of these.
That was super informative! I liked how you combined a wide range of information about its capabilities as part of a network, and between the coastal batteries, aircraft, other missile boats and larger ships, I can see these boats being quite a nightmare if used in hunting packs. Again, thanks for a very interesting video. First time here, got a new subscriber here on my first video.
Outstanding briefing! Thank you very much and that is an outstanding vessel. Very capable and armed to the teeth! We will need your expertise in the coming war with The Rus. Together we defend each other. Best Regards and Best Wishes! Subscribed
Wellcome
I was surprised by how versatile this small vessel is in comparison with those in service with it's Scandinavian neighbours. looking forward to a video on the larger corvettes planed in the near future.
They should be out pretty soon already, actually in the coming year. Pohjanmaa Class would be the name.
pound for pound, the most capable surface warship in the world.
An excellent video. One must also add ‘kudos’ to the Finns in bringing ingenuity and common sense to their national defense paradigm.
The best things about Finland are their rally drivers, hockey players and the indestructible vintage Nokia phones.
Perkele
@Norse man Yes exactly. And that is why their rally drivers and hockey players are really something else
It all begins with SISU.
Jokingly asks a humorously dumb tangential question...
(I know the Sisu meant is the Finnish combination of courage, determination, willpower and stoicism/guts etc.)
_"By Sisu, do you mean the Finnish manufactured trucks composited together from Isuzu, Iveco & Scania designs & parts?"_
@Norse man Yes, I know that, it is pretty much what I said and described it as, and why I Did not describe it by one singular English term which would fail in conveying its implied Suomen keili meaning.
Please don't read me as being angry
I lived in Finland for 2 years, working in a fabrications factory;
..mä olen idotti Englantilainen, puhun paska Suomeksi keili vai kireja, assun Suomissa 2005 - 2007 Nürmijärvellä.
I used to buy NOKIA phones only, but now Chinese and Indian made phones dominate our market.
Pls remember that those told speeds and weapon system ranges are just there about. Trust me that those go way over 30knots. Quite propably you can add over 50km range on those missiles also. I served at Rauma class and point with those are purely to be stealthy platforms to hide behind island and shoot any closing ship. Mostly those are operated without ship using any other sensor but passive ones. Target info comes from somewhere else. Those are covered with camo nets and they have springlers to make their heat signature very low. As its impossible to shoot back through island from sea you have to have very low flying aircraft to sink those sneaky boats and they have aa just for that. Those missiles also have enough range to basicly cover whole finnish gulf, plus they wont ever work alone. Nice video.
Good thing you are telling these information to potential enemy..
@@pekonimestari Eiköhän sotilastiedustelulla ole näistä jonkinlainen kuva idässäkin ettei heidän tarvi YT videoiden kommenttikenttiä ja randomien kommentteja käydä tiedustelemassa.
Nice video and great boat the Hamina …
Hi
I was on Rauma class where it goes way more than 40 knots. So i don't think this Hamina class is goes any less.
They are really fast :D
Listen Smith Mudbitch (I took the liberty to translate your name), we're living in the year 2000 already, 40 knots is nothing. Anglers ride their small boats at 60 knots+ easily... Norwegians cruise their larger vessels at well over 50 knots (exact speed is classified)
Where the armies of many countries often exaggerate the performance and quantity of their military equipment, Finland has traditionally done the opposite, so in that light, these probably really reach 35-40 knots.
Your video was really well put together and informative. Nice work. I've susbcribed to your channel.
What the LCS should've been. Isn't that simple? It's modern iteration of the old coastal battleship, often used by countries like Sweden or Finland.
The US uses its navy to project power, not defend its coast. These don’t have the endurance for our World Police role.
@@CorePathway heard they're retiring the LCS. What happened? Aren't those supposed to have blue and green water capability?
@@Joshua_N-A The rank and file of the Navy (The actual sailors who operate the ships) don't like them, the sailors actually refer to the LCS (both classes) as Little Crappy Ships. and even the Navy admitted that they're unsurvivable in a real war against a capable enemy...
@@Scorpio.1989 wasn't both designed to counter missile carrying fast attack crafts?
@@Joshua_N-A No, they were designed to clear mines, escort landing craft near shore, and operate in rivers if needed...
Wise and logical aprouch to build a navy.....considering geografy, money, efficientie, quality...all👍🙂🍀
Thankk you from Cr🌞atia for Patria apc and 2 Helsinki class missile boats.
Sounds like a great boat to use by the Philippine Navy
My Country (Australia) would be wise to model some of its fleet on this boat, for the same reasons.
Regards,
Geoff. Reeks
Love aussie people...still can't understand why the blunder of buy the french submarines.
I think Poland would be wise to get 6 such boats , that would make our waters safer .
(BTW is funny , but those fast missle boats have bigger fire power that ww2 destroyers , I think they should be called pocket destroyers)
Respect and support to our Australian brothers from india..but Australia has a very long coastline to defend against a possible Chinese amphibious invasion...
So these missile boats would be woefully inadequate in terms of range and capabilities....but yes a scaled up version of this marvel will go a long way
@@cesaravegah3787 We has a Prime Minister who is a socialist. So, he was incompetent. The Russians have already hacked the design and we have not even started building the submarines. Australia has been lead very badly for too many years. Our Muslim neighbor Indonesia has stated that is will build nuclear weapons using its five nuclear reactors. Australia is in danger of loosing its country.
Regards,
Geoff. Reeks
@@mayanktripathi8726 Thanks.
Regards,
Geoff. Reeks
Philippines, consider this!
They’re getting Austal Offshore patrol vessels.
Finland doesn't sell warstuff to shady countries.
@@SergeyPRKL Who desides who is shady. There is a country that has killed about 30 million people after 1945 how many of them are children. And this country has been in war 93% when it was founded.
Thank you for sharing, I am sure to do further reading of this ship, it looks like a good all rounder for Defence , lacks range and endurance though.
For a neutral nation who forces are self-defencive in nature, that is predominantly a coastal vessel, where long range extended deployment endurance is not needed for 95% of envisaged service usage by the Finnish Navy
Amazing vid
10:36
"In 2018, the restriction for the use of the torpedo was lifted"
The Paris peace treaty restrictions on weaponry apart from nuclear weapons were nullified in 1991.
Seriously. Am I the only one who knows this? This comes up all the fucking time!
Yeah, technically Finland could start to build submarines aswell but havent decided on doing that for political reasons.
The guy recording the ship at the start of the video must be the guy who always spots big foot and tries getting a recording of him.
Very nice. Surprised there are not more of these around the world.
They are designed for Finnish waters, there aren't similar needs in many places. I guess Asia has few areas where these things would shine.
Because there is not many waters that demands such focus on littoral capacity. Those ships are perfectly designed for their intended operational areas..
This ship has terrific firepower for its size
The Australian Navy and WA shipbuilder, Austal would benefit greatly by teaming up with Finland and Finnish shipbuilder, Aker Yards Oy.
Fun fact.
From the radar of a Hamina-class boat, you can also see the port of Tallinn and part of the coastal traffic in the northern part of Estonia from the port of Helsinki.
m.czcams.com/video/2ZtFntmvmGs/video.html
...such a clever propulsion !
Very impressive ship! This is a great example of what the US Squids need as part of our navy. But the Admirals, (insert sarcasm here) who of course are smarter than the rest of the world, don't see it that way. Great job Finland 🇫🇮!
well your squids are sailing around the planet - you dont have a need for tiny missileboats.
european countries do not have the same world-police projecting powah ambitions.
But finns are known to have participated in operation atalanta (anti-piracy in front of somalia etc)
Which cant have been easy for ships designed for coastal-defense in cool climatezones. Probably having no aircon , must have been tough on
people used to work in arctic conditions. They lack endurance (fuel/supplies) for such a long distance sail...
I was in the navy, and i can tell you on a normal northern european day - the engine room is a friggin sauna already
now go to africa, and you will be fried in there.... aircons usually not great
I am guessing the american fleet has a much better endurance - and every ship the usn comissiones - must be able to keep up with the rest i.e. a carrier strike group.
The Australian navy and WA shipbuilder, Austal would benefit greatly from teaming up with Finland's Aker Yards Oy.
Très bien.
The Canadian navy can learn alot from the Finns.
A larger gun means more effective range means more time to engage multiple incoming targets.
Cool little ship.
Nice
that boat would be a good fit for my Country: Denmark we have more then 100 islands, and have a small feet, Air force and army
Do the Norwegian Skjold Class. A great modern corvette!
Thanks for your interest. We add the Skjold-class to our list. We will prepare a video as soon as possible.
@@WeaponDetective Yes, please!
can you please do a video on the Skjold-class? it looks really interesting to me
Thanks for your interest. It is already on our list. We will make a video about the Skjold-class as soon as possible.
Hamina hamina hamina hamina hamina
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Really good show but you have to tell us the cost of the ships
Finland should design a tank made entirely out of Nokia phones.
The only competition would be a Danish tank made entirely out of Lego blocks.
Seriously, Nokia and Lego are indestructible. Probably way better than the stupid DU armour on the US M1 Abrams.
Imagine if Nokia made tanks and used 3310 technology in them
Dang... These suckers are armed to the TEETH! With supersonic, 200 km- range anti-ship missles, torpedos (and active sonar!), 57(or 40)mm gun, anti-air missiles, depth charges, sea mines, and a half-dozen .50 cal (12.7 mm, to be fair) machine guns...
For littoral work, compare to the LCS (BS) ships that the IS is retiring as soon as they are built... (Yeah, I know the LCS are still being built in order to maintain shipbuilding capacity and skills in the U.S, but it's a bit of a joke when one could get five or (many?) more of these for each one of them!
What an interesting design, that checks all the boxes for a modern littoral combat ship, like, say an... LCS?
(Well, IF one disregards this ship's endurance issues- no big for Finland in the Baltic, but a 900 knot range is probably not gonna cut it for a global navy.)
Well even if the LCS is the little crappy ship at least the Constellation-class looks pretty promising. But if Finnish boats are interesting to you you might want to check out the new Pohjanmaa-class of corvettes that he Finnish navy is building currently. Those are, I think, what the LCS should have been
Take a minute and look at the coastal waters and archipelago of Finland on Google Maps. It makes perfect sense why the boat is small and nimble. Also whats not shown on the map is all the millions of rocks hidden just beneath the surface. Large vessels would be basically useless for defense.
Come on Sweden. Buy this. We lack numbers. Our stealth corvettes are not enough.
And then maybe Finland would buy the Gripen, which would be such a great purchase for both countries. The synergy we could have would be immense.
We could make it very very costly for Russia to operate in the Baltic then, and secure the Finish supply lines.
Visby class corvettes are way more advanced and also the stealthiest ship ever
@@conlari178 With none anti air capability. That´s shame.
@@conlari178 Stealthiest yes, but lacks
firepower and censors against Hamina class.
@@ghansu I would say the Haminas are beautiful and perfect ships for Finland. I might also sa you likely underestimate what Visby is, and its capacity, even if they have taken a long time to make fully operational (and still has some planned additions coming)...
2:13 "...no offensive weapons, such as..." ... "... mines ..."
Mines? How are mines offensive? They're probably the most clearly defensive weapons that exist....
(yes, I know they *can* be deployed offensively)
We love the audience like you, who are of the same mind as us. You answered your question as we would exactly answer. 😊
They can be used in blockades. I cant think of any other reason
Using sea mines to block your shipping lanes so that your neighbour's navy can't easily come and liberate you is clearly offensive
Why does this seem more versatile than a type 45...?
Well, because it is? Hey, don't worry, it's got finnish Wärtsilä diesels too, so not all is bad ;)
Some have always said, Dynamite sometimes comes in small packages. I like it, I think they would make great bass boats. Drop a bomb in the water, watch all the bass float.
You guys must have massive Bass there =D
@@duhni4551I'm in AZ and no, our Bass are average size, but when I lived in TX, they were much larger. Everything in TX is bigger.
Thanks for sharing this excellent video. Please make a video about Turkish Kılıç-class
Thanks for your interest. We added the Kilic-class to our list. We will prepare a video as soon as possible.
@@WeaponDetective Thanks
ah yes, the vomit centrifuge. It's fast, sexy, and deadly. And also a really wild ride for any unfortunate sailor inside it when going top speed up and down the waves.
I think that the Norwegian Skjold class will likely be more effective in combat due to a more advanced missile. If the Hamina was equipped with Naval Strike Missile it would be a toss up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skjold-class_corvette
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile
They go fast fastern than 30 knokts :D
I know cos i was on the pedal.
The Hamina Littoral ship is GOOD for the Philippine Navy, alongside with the Shaldag Mk. IV from Israel
Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina Hamina
This how I imagine an Asheville class gunboat would look if it was designed today.
Congratulations Finland.
Watching this after having watched the Swedish R-142 Missile boat, and I feel it would be an opportunity wasted for Weapon Detective, to do an "on paper" comparison of the Hamina, R-142, Visby, Sehested P547 and the Skjold Corvette. Ship roles and characteristics, weapons, speeds, propulsion and so on.
For those who dont understand why we built smaller boats. We dont even want you to know😅
1939 winter war with Russia, First Soviet-Finnish war
1941 - 44 Continuation War, Second Soviet-Finnish war
The enemy of Finland was Russia in the past and will be in the future.
That missile boat sounds like it will be great in patrolling rivers and areas of the ocean where they can protect ground and sea forces in case of an attack on the nation.
Hamina is not best at open ocean buy better in coastal areas what it was desinged for
did know anything about our ships! but Finnish defense strategy would be more or less hide and seek, and our coast have lots of small islands so maneuver big ships around coast would be problematic, so once enemy founds it, it has limited route.
I have a question: this ship's design is centered around that massive 57mm mount. It is just plain huge; esp. for such a small caliber gun. My question is this: for the same space (and possibly the same - or near - weight) couldn't you maybe fit the Oto Melara 76mm Strales gun. With the new guided ammunition, it would be much more effective than the dinky 57mm.
Main gun in modern ship is purely for anti missile or anti air roles. 76mm would weight way too much and would be totally useless in our waters.
Too heavy, like the video mentioned the 57m was changed to the 40mm because of the weight.
Way to heavy, and actually the 57mkIII with 3P munition brings more effect on target than the 76mm (and as said they still replaced also the 57 with a 40mm because of weight issues, they however used a 3P enabled 40mm version)
Is that an Bofors 57 on first ship?
Thank you. Navy man say...
First thing that came to mind when this starded playing: "I wish this video would finnish already".
They should build more hamina class
Bofors 57mm Gun and SAAB RBS15 missiles 👍🏻
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I need to buy some hamina's plz how much coast's
Hamina Hamina Hamina
Ah, so this is the class McHale and Binghamton were always talking about - it was usually misspelled Humina Humina.
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hamina hamina hamina hamina
Can it turn into a submarine to perform underwater special operation like Russian cruisers do?
If you can find it first
What would Admiral Kanarese say about this .
how about the super vita class that greece owns?
they have a video for Super-Vita class:
czcams.com/video/T1Is-3J_NEk/video.html
How much cost
Cuánto sale un barco hamamina de Finlandia y si se puede exporta para mexico
That looks like a frigate missing the back half.
I think we bought this recently 🇦🇱🇫🇮
Should focus on the features
should be re-classified as guided missile fast attack crafts instead of missile boats which is an old WW2 era (1935 - 1996) classification given to small surface combatants having a fully loaded displacement of no more than 650 ton . . .
in the post 2020-21 pandemic era the Finnish Navy could do with a fleet of five brand new Sigma class 5,633 ton (6,905 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission frigate powered by cutting edge iSMARTFuelCell® HYBRId™ marine propulsion system . . . by the way the 8-cell circular VLS in the Hamina class missile craft needs to be replaced with a proper 8-cell A60 SYLVER VLS system . . .
Hmmm, sorry to say. But a ×5500ton ship would not survive 5 minutes in the Baltic littoral areas. Both Sweden and Finland have consequently moved away from bigger ships for fighting missions (they have bigger support wessels). Even if coming generations might be somewhat larger a 5000+ wessel is just a target....
Thank god it’s literally a combat vessel unlike those fake „littoral“ ships
Yeah. The US threw over 1B USD down that rat hole. :)
This sounds like a littoral combat ship. We should have bought some of these instead of building the Independence and Freedom class ships. It seems that the U.S. cannot retire them fast enough.
USA are doing missions on other continents. Hamina isn't made for open sea. It's only for coastal waters
Affirmative :(
Simo Hayeha at sea...
Hominahominahominahomina
- Squidwart.
Looking ahead 12 months. I bet now they're thinking 'we didn't buy/make enough'.
We have new boats about ready to come in to service, manufacturing began few years ago. We have newer been foolish enough to ignore the needs of our military. Check out our Pohjanmaa Class for example.
@@duhni4551 And more power to you.👍👍
Yea but they only have a couple from the sounds of it but it definitely doesn’t have the same capability of a destroyer they are a good ship tho a cool one too but definitely won’t last long against a Russian surface vessel
You seen the Finnish archipelago? There's no way for a destroyer to operate there. And taking account how the ruskies are doing in Ukraine, I wouldn't put much faith in their navy...
@@kk-gr3ly yes with a month of hindsight I see that