Onewheel Charging Explained
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I realize that this is a very long video talking about plugging in your Onewheel. However, after years of seeing the same questions come up on Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, etc., it seemed worthwhile to attempt to give a bit more information on the general goings on when it comes to charging your board, whether it's a Onewheel XR, Onewheel Pint or Pint X, or even the Onewheel GT.
00:00 - Introduction
01:00 - Different Chargers
01:35 - Quick Rundown of the Video & Context
03:34 - How To Plug In A Onewheel
04:20 - The Pop Spark
04:49 - Other Ways To Plug In A Onewheel
05:55 - What Happens When You Plug In Your Board
08:44 - BMSs, ESCs, and Capacitors
10:33 - Why Doesn't A Charge Spark At The Outlet? It Does.
14:43 - The Float Life Ad Spot
16:53 - Charging Speeds, Rates, and Battery Capacity
18:03 - What Do You Do When The Charge Light Is Green?
18:16 - Balance Charging? Cell Balancing?
18:47 - Leaving The Battery Full?
19:16 - More Detail On Full Charge & Battery Percentages
20:12 - Constant Current & Constant Voltage
21:15 - Why You Shouldn't Unplug At The Green Light
22:22 - Voltage Ranges
23:21 - Cell Balance
25:56 - Leaving A Onewheel On The Charger
27:29 - Storage Voltage & Long Term Charging
30:10 - Conclusion & Leaving A Board Fully Charged - Věda a technologie
Nicely done! Thank you for taking the time to do this video.
Much appreciated sir! Thank you for taking the time to explain stuff to me.
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I understood at least half of these words! Thanks Mario!
Thank you!
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Lol woaaah-ly fack bud!
I know this is a year late question but can you charge a onewheel standing up? It's takes up less space lol
@derekchurch3538 Yes.
Always appreciate the mix of technical and "layman's" information you provide, sir. Great video!
I appreciate this video so much. The battery on my pint does seem like the capacity has shrank to the point that my range has reduced considerably and after watching this video I am one of those people who would unplug it once the light was green. I also usually charge my one wheel to the 100% mark and keep it there even through winter of like 3 months of not using my board. I'm glad to know that I can do something about it by balancing the cells and have learned a great deal about how to properly care for a battery. Thanks!
Video was so much easier to watch just listening to you speak and not being washed out by background music. Thanx Mario! 👌😎
Thank you for summarizing with high quality content these very discussed topics!
Great info, Mario. I really enjoy all the info you provide us OWers. You vids are always top notch.
Nice video - I was getting conflicting advice on charging - it's nice to hear a detailed explanation. this was a big help - Thanks!
Wow Mario! Thank you, that was a lot of work and info you put out in this one! Excellent. 👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾
We continue to learn so much from you Mario. This is a very helpful video. Thank you sir🙏
Really useful thanks. Brand new rider and you've answered a lot of questions I had in my head. Nice job thanks dude
I love the OneWheel community so dang much and you are one of the reasons why!
At least for the Pint, if you leave the board and app on when you start charging, you can monitor the voltage and temperatures. The battery temperature increases as it charges. When the light on the charger turns green, the temperature starts to drop, and the regen amps start to level out. This starts to happen around the ~97% battery mark. So when your charger is green, you're not really there.
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Very informative, as always. Thanks for sharing your expertise with the rest of us electronically-challenged OWers.
Good job putting out accurate and correct information. It’s refreshing!
“A ggggggtttt- nope, I’m not that important”🤣🤣 I’m crying
Holy cow that last bit about not using the product to the ends of its abilities made me so happy! The brain power alone those “should I complete a charge, oh no I discharged it too far” thoughts occupy could power the board back to full!
itching for more esk8 content! Love the channel
I'm picking up an XR today, thanks for schooling me on the battery management.
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Its great to see another video Mario. I haven't riden my XR in about 3 weeks and its fully charged. Im going to ride it tomorrow so its not just sitting at 100%
Thanks for the encouragement to ride...
Also while speaking of encouragement stop procrastinating over editing... I once heard someone recommend a CBD product that might help with that.
Yes, its helpful, Mario. For so many. This is not what i do for work. This is what you do, with passion. Thank you. We need advisement, and i trust yours.
Great video. I design battery packs and power electronics for living and you explained it very well without being too technical and run people off. I have a Pint X and I'm DIYing my own fast charger.
I literally needed this video yesterday because my CBXR is having issues like as you are explaining in this video. Now i have a better understanding of my battery and i feel confident on what to do. Thanks Mario
What is CBXR versus the XR? I know what an XR is from FM's catalog, but I never saw a CBXR designation. Thank you.
@@TheAnimeist Its a 30 mile range battery for the XR board itself. Its an internal battery.
One of A Kind STYLE at explaining things, more like a one in 100,000 a lot of great teachers are in existence (I will not name) but have the ability transfer knowledge just like you!
Thank you! Amazing explanation and education right there. I've had my XR since one month before you (Oct 2018) and I've never taken it off the charger for any reason other than to ride it. So for four years (and 3500 miles) it's been charging. As you said - he less you worry about it the better. And I worry about it none. Although the safety factor you mention may need to come into play more with me. And my board gives me the same range that it did when I got it. I can't perceive any difference. And I've worried about it for not one second over those 4 years. That to me is worth the chance that I may have to replace it some day. But four years in and still perfect. I think the no worry route is best. Well except for the safety.
My battery died today at 36% and I had to uber home lol. Thanks to this vid, I know why and how to prevent it in the future.
Great video good to learn about the battery charging procedures. For the XR. Thanks Mario🚀🤙🏻🇺🇸🚁🚁🚁🚁
Great video, very useful indeed.
I charge my GT to 75% when I get back from a ride and then leave it on 75% during days when I don't need it. The morning of a ride day I plug it in and let the light go green. I can ride it down to about 3-4% before it kicks me off.
Wow..I watched the 33.33mins.. well explained and knowledgeable.. thanks for the video..
Super useful info! Thanks for making this video!
Thanks for this Mario! Clarified some mysteries for me.
Insta-subscribed. Thanks for the thorough and clear content!
Thanks! I was wondering about the ins and outs of the OW Battery. You take care as well.
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The information is so concise and clear.
Thank you! I appreciate that.
@@TheBoardGarage I have a question.
For extended periods of storage, you say to keep the battery about 40% to 60%, is this an absolute?
Or does storing it as close to 40% to 60% also acceptable ? Such as storing at 70% to 80% ?
@@azndemonlord54 It's probably fine for shorter periods, but if you're talking about months, then you'd be better served by discharging the battery further.
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This video was soooo helpful!!! Thank you!
Thank you for clarifying that. I still will plug into board/bike first and wall second every time.
Thanks, that’s all I’ll ever need to know about batteries/charging!
fantastic video
Wow! Amazingly informative. Thank you!
Looking forward to more of your content. I’m in the automotive world and want to know more about this content. I need more info. Love my Onewheel.
Thanks! I feel like I've done a lot of research into batteries and charging, and I still learned from your video. Also appreciate your philosophy on the 80/20 rule. Personally I try to follow that when I can, especially if I know I'm not using my device for a few days. But it's also not productive to stress out over what is essentially a consumable part. Do you happen to know what part we need to buy if we've worn out that cable that goes into the XR's charging brick?
Unfortunately I don't know what it's called. I've found it on Amazon by searching for 2 prong AC power cord.
I’ve found it as figure 8 cable, but idk what the correct name is
I like your technical knowledge of the one wheels. Plus your riding skills are great without being an X games pilot Talking down condescendingly to the average schmuck like myself.
You have the exact same voice as the Unsolved Mysteries guy. I was expecting a Onewheel mystery.
Love the detail and technical information you can only get from a Mario Contino video.
Omg!!! Best explanation EVER!
THank you!
My pint exhibit the same behavior that will throw a red light at 30%…. Now I know why….. thanks for the explanation!!
Super helpful stuff!
Put my mind at ease. Thanks.
Fantastic video! This helped put some of my charging anxieties at ease. One thing I'm still unsure about is this scenario I'm about to explain. So let's say I'm going riding with friends and they all have fully charged batteries but my battery is at let's say 40%. Can I charge my battery up 100% from 40% or is it better to drain my battery to 10% or less and then charge it up to 100%? Basically is it bad to charge a battery up to 100% from 70%, 50%, or 30% (random percentage examples)?
Thank u. Very useful, well explained
Very informative, thank you!!
My solution to the "pop" arcing problem was to put a cheap in-line AC switch between the wall outlet and the plug leading to the charger. That moves the arc from expensive components to essentially a disposable component. My charging protocol is to plug the charger into my unpowered board, then flip the in-line AC switch. The charger and switch are left plugged into the wall outlet all the time.
As did I. Navy trained FT.
Thank you for this. Doing my best to be a good battery powered device owner. Some things I'm still unsure of. Say I run my onewheel down under 20% but I don't see myself riding for a few days. Should I partially recharge to +/-40%? Or is it better to fully charge and ride it down to safe storage levels? On that same note, if I rode from 100% to 70% one day and have a short ride in mind for the next day, should I recharge then ride or just roll from 70% even if it's likely to run down below 20%? Thanks!
Great information 👏🏽👍🏼
Great video! How does the GT compare? I remember seeing a video someone made explaining that cell balancing does not occur on the GT. I'd love to hear from you about this.
Such an awesome video.
21:54 - How long should one ideally leave the board plugged in after the charge light turns green? (each time they charge the board) or, what do you usually do? I imagine the time varies, but just so I have a rough idea of what we're talkin' about here. I don't know if you mean an extra hour, or far longer (without it just living on the charger).
28:40 - It seems we would have to know the BMS threshold to have a more accurate answer (I am hearing about these things for the first time lol), but yea a general guide would be cool.
I liked the point at the end there with using only the middle part of the battery (percent-reading wise). How it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to just concede a chunk of the battery's ability now, in order to make sure you one day aren't maybe forced to concede a chunk of the battery.
I'm curious about your thoughts on fast-charging. The ideal practice is apparently to use a slower charger, and then only use a fast charger when ya need to (group rides or whatever). The heat alone also seems to be a bit of a concern there.
What does it mean when I have a cell out of balance and the other cells come down but the low call stays the same? I'm talking about when it's on the charger. The app still says it's full, green light on, and the total voltage data says it's nearly full, but if you add up the cell voltages they don't equal fully charged, quite a less in fact.
Wonder if using a surge protector with a switch always plugged in then just switch on when plugged into the wheel
Great video about charging. Thank you. Is there a way to revive a onewheel battery if it wasnt charged for 1.5 years and now it doesnt get charged? I revived a 12v battery before by connecting a healthy battery to the dead one, so the charging device could see the batteries, do you know if there is a way to revive the onewheel without sending to the shop? by the way the dead onewheel i am talking about was purchased second hand and I would like to fix it for my kid. thank you
Hi Mario - I own a one wheel Pint. I haven't charged it in a couple months and now the light on the board isn't turning on when I plug it in. Is the battery dead? The charger block stays red
What about battery temperature? On the Onewheel app.
Why did my charge cable to the BMS burn out with the ultra charger if it’s advertised to be able to leave on charger over night but reaches temps as high as 130* F
Hi Mario, I’m hoping you can give me some insight/advice anyway to discharge my one wheel to storage level - other than riding it off? Here's my fix I'm in, I've been riding this fall and put a full charge in my XR +, I put a full charge in and now I've got snow and ice - not sure when the roads will clear enough to ride my charge down. How can discharge to a storage voltage? Thank you for any advice you could give me.
We have a onewheel thay wasnt used for many months and wouldnt charge. We took it apart and tested the battery and now the pack reads shorted (0 ohm) between battery terminals. No signs of heat or melting on the pack from the dead short, but is it possible to bring it back to life? What component may have shorted?
19:26 what about the option for limit to 90% charging on GT ? Is it good? Does this mode balance the batteries as well leaving GT plugged?
so i understand green light on the charger shows when the charing slows down to lvl charge the board, however the 100% charge app showing , is that a reliable way of knowing my board is full? or should i just do my maths as to required time span of charging and the % i started charging it at for full efficient charge times ???
Exactly the kind of info I was looking for since recently buying my first onehweel. One question tho - how often should I balance the cells? Let's say I ride every day. Should I leave it plugged in every night? Once a week? Thanks again, super informative video.
If your board is new, I'd say it's a decent idea to leave it on the charger an hour or so after it's turned green when you charge it. I've also read that folks have good results from just leaving it on the charger for several hours as a balance charge once a month.
Good info
I don't trust the cell on the left at 22:33. Great video Mario!
I feel like part of the problem with OW charging for most people is that they generally don't have a way to see/know exactly how balanced the cells are in their battery. Last weekend, I asked a OW group on Facebook about how I might be able to actually see what each cell is at so that I know just how balanced the battery pack is. The Onewheel app from FM doesn't give such info, and the group on FB directed me to the OWCE app. Problem solved in that regard. While watching this video, my Pint was on the stock charger, and I decided to unplug it and check the apps right after the light turned green. Sure enough, the cells weren't totally balanced (or fully charged by the looks of it), and they were around 4.13 or 4.14 volts each. Having watched this vid as well as checking OWCE, now I know I've been unplugging the OW far too soon. I've always just unplugged it when the light on the charger turned green. Apparently I haven't been getting a solid/balanced charge (pretty much) since I got it a year ago. Thanks so much for the vid.
OWCE App?
@@lionelhernandez34 Onewheel Community Edition, available for iOS and Android. It's a good app to have in addition to the main Onewheel app, primarily for checking on the battery's individual cell voltage levels.
So how long do you charge a pint to balance cells? Also when my pint charger is plugged in it says 100 percent on app then when I take charger out it says 99 percent on app. Is it because pint battery in unbalanced?
Will leaving charger plugged in when board is set to stop charging at %90 still balance the cells, or needs to be at %100?
I would me glad to see this topic on electric skateboards I started with a boosted board V2 & an have not one but two unban batteries. After I sold it got a Evolve GTR & stock haven't had that issue yet
Is there a surge protector you can recommend?
Hey Mario I know you posted this a while ago but I think I’m recent updates the one wheel now stops charging once the board reaches 100% how would I be able to able to balance my cells ? The noise it makes when it charges has stopped so I’m assuming it’s no longer charging.. asking because it seems mt battery is unbalanced.. board turned off and the app told me the board needs to be charged .. even though the battery is at 50%
You mentioned that you don’t notice any battery degradation or range loss after using your XR since 2018. How many miles do you have on your XR?
Can you fix my 4209 controller. I think the spark/ arc fried my controller. When I plug my board it won’t charge anymore. Lmk thanks
Love your videos G, could you do a video about adding a different BMS to the onewheel? I blew up my pints BMS and I don't want another one. I've decided to say fuck it and get a VESC and I want to add an external BMS if you have anything that could be useful for me it would help so much. I'm down with diy so I'm honestly down with anything
its been 10 months now can we have a video of Onewheel charging Explained for Onewheel GT? Is there any difference specifically for GT with NMC battery.
Thank you so much
Awesome content! Keep up the good work! Would love to learn more about fast charging and its potential harm to battery health/longevity. My understanding is that fast charging a CBXR (at say 6A) should not be more harmful than normal charging a stock XR battery (at say 3A). Would be great to get a confirmation from an expert ;).
Its a lot like the 80/20 rule, it really depends on personal use and how long you will use the device, faster charging has more potential to damage the battery but the exact damage is debatable, generally speaking its safe to charge a battery below the rate it discharges.
Using a fast charger frequently is putting more charge cycles on a battery, that's going to cause performance loss regardless of the type of charger used so it's a trade of convience and longevity.
Great Mario thanks
What Hoosier tire is that on the XR?
I left my Onewheel Pint in my car over the winter and I finally brought it back inside. I attempted to plug it in to charge it but the charging light stays green and my board won’t turn on. How can I fix this problem?
Great One!!!!
Wait, did you remove the foot pad sensor?
In a below comment you mentioned that charging from 20% or any other percent would have the appropriate cycle amount. But how often/long should you leave a onewheel battery to fully balance it? I personally do mine every night and leave it all night (approximately 7 hours at a time) but have recently had some issues with all of my cbxr’s (not going to get into that). In terms of stock batteries, I was informed that consistently fast charging from 60% (what many people do on group rides) is inherently bad for the battery. Any input on that?
I have the same issue with my CBXR. It caps at 77 and takes almost 2 days to go to 100. You need to balence the board for longer before a group ride.
Watched the whole thing I guess I missed about how long after the green light turns on does it take to fully balance the cells? Because the conventional wisdom on all the forums is it takes at least 24 to 48 hours to fully balance the cells...
Does the leaving on to balance after green light work the same when using addons like GT40 battery?
Generally yes, your internal battery will behave the same.
Hello my Pint did not come with Charger, so I purchase one it was half more Amper on charger 3. And my one wheel 1.5
I charge it but now it will shot down
STILL excellent info.
What's your explaining is called inrush current. When you plug the power supply into the wall there is a quick spike in current absorption due to charging the circuit. The same thing happens when you plug the power supply into the one wheel there's an inrush current as well. Inrush current happen in all modern switch mode power supplies at some level or another. The XR obviously has some voltage regulation and bulk capacitors that create an inrush spike to occur. The only real damage that occurs is the erosion of the connector to the board or AC plug. One way to help is to install a in-line AC plug switch they're cheap on Amazon and other places. This allows you to plug both plugs in and then hit a switch to activate. The load of the inrush arc and erosion will happen on the switch surfaces, good news is they're cheap to replace.
Thanks Mario, very useful, my preference is to charge both my pint and XR to full (green light) and unplug whenever I remember too and never worry about them being sat around on a full charge. Life is stressful enough to be worrying about how full my batteries are whether I’ll be using them again soon or not. Same goes for all my lithium power tools etc. Interestingly my Ego tools and there 54v batteries have a clever design that automatically drains them to around 50% if they are not used for a certain time frame, if only all lithium batteries did this, that would be so easy then.
3rd method has always been my goto
Great content! I have a question: to maintain battery longevity and maximum range is it *ideal* to completely drain the battery before charging it?
No, that's not necessary. The lithium ion cells used in these packs don't need that sort of attention. They incur a cycle from an empty-to-full and full-to-empty charge/discharge. If you only go to half, and then charge it, that's chemically/electrically a half cycle. So you're free to use the board to 20%, 75%, etc. and just charge it. It won't have any appreciable effect on the longevity of the battery any more than any other cycle uses would.
@@TheBoardGarage thank you for the detailed explanation. Keep up the the great content!
Thanks dude I watched this whole video just for that question you asked.
I didn't even know the pop was bad and I've been popping my board for the past 1250 miles lol everything is still stock except the tire.
hey mario-! whats your thoughts on rapid chargers vs getting a cbxr upgrade or similar. i know you're not a fan of larger capacity batteries in that small housing. $650 vs $80-$100. just looking for a good option for the rest of the summer so i can ride longer or charge faster. i will absolutely be going the vesc route once it matures and i can understand it better. or would you just go vesc and get that TORque pack. what would you do?
If your primary interest currently is just riding more, then I'd get the charger. I'm not a fan of the CBXR to begin with, I think it's not a very good idea or execution. And if the TORque pack you're talking about is made by ChiBattery, I'd personally avoid that as well.
I have a spare XR fast charger I'm not going to use anymore, feel free to email me or reach out on IG, I'm going to list it in the marketplace for cheap, I'm trying to keep the shop inventory trim.
Best of luck in your future build.
@@TheBoardGarage sold- ill message you on FB
Can't thank you enough for this info, had my GT shut down with 68% left in the app! I thought I was done for but I was doing the stupid 80%-20% thing 🤦♂️
Did you fix it by balancing?
@@lautarogatti I balanced it for two days, rode again and it cut off and nosedived without warning, put me in the hospital 😓 No riding for a while, Future Motion won't even cover repairs
@@hotelroyal334 oh that's terrible! Did it shut off or warned you the other time at 68%? I have a pint x and mine started buzzing low battery at 58% but didn't die. Now I've been balancing it for a few days hoping to fix it...
@@lautarogatti last time it warned me and nicely slowed down and brought the nose up and let me off, this time one second alarm then crash 💀 Your method seems to work for lots of other people, hoping yours fixes, Be very careful 🙏