@@opi7488 well... robbing Russia has political motives... some of Maltese entries were just eye candy for the jury. Like je me casse or Chameleon. So of course they prioritized them.
@@user-jo5ph9uo8p many Eurovision songs are plagarised or at least they sound similat (for example Cyprus 2015, Romania 2014, Israel 2015) so it's not a point of Poland to fail at jury
To round up the Top 50 I took songs with a difference of 12 places. These following entries also got a differene of 12 places but didn't manage it into this video as I took the points difference in this category. Portugal 2021, Poland 2015, Serbia 2016, Malta 2019, Serbia 2021.
I get that we always complain about jury, but examples like these show how they're pretty useful at times. Like I'm personally a massive fan of songs like Israel 2016 and Cyprus 2015, both of which were really low in televote and (kinda) saved by Jury. I'm pretty happy with the system as it is, maybe removing some of the power of the juries
Well there's always going to be people who like any songs... I personally also preferred France and Switzerland to Ukraine and Italy this year. But it's a matter of principle that it should the more popular songs that does better. No matter how imprecisely the televote is at capturing that, it's many times better than the opinions of a few select individuals.
Yeah, but let's look with some historical distance: Looking from 2 years later, Soldi and Arcade were ultra popular, so 2019 wasn't even the biggest problem
I know people see this video as proof that juries are needed but honestly, the only thing I see is that the juries need to be from a more diverse background. It's obvious that all the songs that they saved fit into a norm (either pop or a ballad) and they kill any cultural entries or niche genres. For an event that prides itself in celebrating diversity, it's pretty ironic that anything that tries to be different gets punished. Obviously, we need juries but they should be more in number & at least have some knowledge in other genres of music so that they can evaluate them properly.
I love that people says that Sweden is only successful because of the juries but they’re on here just 2 times lol They are beloved by both the audience and juries.
You don't count the songs that Swedish guys write for other countries. Like Austria 2018 for instance. If you count all of them then you will see how many there are.
maybe because Malta was left in semifinal for a considerable amount of time not to mention they dont have any voting block while Sweden is the "queen" of Scandinavian voting block lol?
@@ohandthefracking Malta was left in semifinal cuz they had bad songs not because of the Jury. Sweden has always had enough televotes to go to the final so even without the jury they would still go to the final. Malta is pretty much a part of Italy and the only reason Sweden's neighbours give them points is because they have similar music taste and not because of political reasons. This year for example Sweden didn't get more votes from their neighbours than from others (in terms of jury). I got all the facts so don't talk out of your ass please. I just find it funny how people jump on the hate train like dogs without reasoning.
@@Hjallapenos being frank i wanted to also mention that some malta's NQ were deserved since the songs and staging were collectively bad (2011,2017,2018)...BUT Sweden isnt as good as you may think lmfao (televote flops in 2013/2018 and this year too, 2015 win thanks to the juries liking recycled david guetta's song and do i need to mention 2019?)
@@ohandthefracking I'm not saying that Sweden doesn't get a lot of jury points. But it seems people give Sweden hate simply for being consistantly good. Malta for example can get a pass on being loved by jury because they send bad songs now and then which doesn't make sense...
@@vincentesc I wouldn't say overrated since the public gave the entry 3rd rank. My problem that I was hearing Edith Piaf singing in the back of my mind during her entry so her vocals seemed lacking to me.
This video is the perfect proof why the jury is needed. The vast majority of these are amazing songs that are massively underrated by the televote. In comparison the songs that have done much better in the televote here often aren't good at all, there's only a few cases where a genuinely good song gets overlooked by the jury. Most of the time I absolutely agree with the juries more than the televote, which is why I think a combo of the two is ideal rather than just having one or the other. I agree that having only a jury would be boring though since part of the fun is having audiences in different countries participate, but removing the jury would be a big mistake. I think some people forget how messy the results of ESC were when there was only televoting.
Think the same, the jury keeps the quality high and thanks to the tele voters the music is able to evolve 'cause they push the different things, sometimes. I also like it to be able to vote, to help the songs I like, the televote is also an other way to put the population of Europe a bit closer to each other as usual. I like the current mixture of it!
@@ok..9382 Not always, but both sides don't 'cause they're all humans, at least. A jury member from Germany this year (Consi) told in a video of the official Germany Eurovision channel in which categories they have to rate a song, some of them are staging quality (which could explain Sweden' s victory in 2015, Italy was amazing, too, but the Sweden ones was more touchable) and singing quality, so countries can't "just make a great or weird show" to win 'cause it's still a song contest. We need both part of votes, the top of the tele voter favourites (Italy, Ukraine, Finland and France) were at least in the top ten this year (France was also a jury favourite, but still). Bulgaria would be 18th or so, not 11th, even with her amazing voice. Both sides mess up, sometimes, so it's good that the one side is as strong as the other. So I appreciate the actual mixture of both. You have to win at least voters from both side (a few, at least), to win the whole contest.
@@bertbrezel8605 I'd have to disagree, maybe make 25% vs 75%, but that's very annoying when a small group of people decides what's good and gives votes to someone and than public doesn't like it, and they get very little points, for example Sweden 2019, when it was the juries favourite but got very little televotes, or Poland 2016, when juries gave them 4 points but public put it on 3d? place... It's not completely fair
If you only look at one split voting result, my country (Austria) would've a lot of top 10 placements . 2011: 5th place 2014: winner 2016: 8th place 2018: winner And we would've finished a respectable 15th in 2015 and 11th in 2017. Sadly there is always another voting that always kills our hopes and dreams (except for 2014 ofc) 😂
Yeap, due to voting system: judges and televoting place was summed up and transformed to points (for example, 1st place from jury and 8th place by tele is 9 pts). And it’s happened for every country and then they are sorted in descending order. Country which scored minimum points got 12 pts, 2nd minimum result 10 pts and so one. Hence, if jury or televiewers put country in 21-26th place there are was no chance to got any Eurovision points from this country. That’s happened with Austrian song. They got almost in every country 19-27 places by televoting and although the jury put them in high places in total points came out to zero.
My Favorites I am Yours (Austria 2015) - 6 Pionts I Can (UK 2011) - 6 Pionts Allez Ola Ole (France 2010) - 8 Points Waterline (Ireland 2012) - 8 Points We Got Love (Australia 2018) - 8 Points Love Me Back (Turkey 2012) - 8 Points Dance You Off (Sweden 2018) - 8 Points Running on Air (Austria 2017) - 10 Points Lights and Shadows (The Netherlands 2017) - 10 Points You (Sweden 2013) - 10 Points Friend of A Friend (Czech Republic 2019) - 10 Points Beauty Never Lies (Serbia 2015) - 10 Points Nobody But You (Austria 2018) - 10 Points Growing Up Is Getting Old (Bulgaria 2021) - 12 Points Higher Ground (Denmark 2018) - 12 Points Lion d'ici (Austria 2016) - 12 Points Under The Ladder (Ukraine 2018) - 12 Points L'enfer et moi (France 2013) - 12 Points Spirit in The Sky (Norway 2019) - 12 Points
I love your video’s, but isn’t it true that Sprit in the Sky should be the other way around (18 from tele / 1 from jury)? They got a little less than 300 points from televoting but had technical difficulties during their jury performance, so their jury score was low
If they focused on the voice then Italy would be winner in 2015 since the guys had the best vocals out of all of the contestants. Jury is focused on what in their opinion would sell well.
Juries always bullies Poland and tele doesn't like Malta
True. Poland 2016. Michał could win. But jury said no, no. We underrate you and you didn't win. And that happened.
Fortunately Junior Eurovision isn't politician. But wait. Last year and Europe underrate our song typed to potentional winner.
If country is victorious everybody hate them and think about next year and planning to destroy plans of victorious country.
@@PoProstuBartek964 ???
Updated version: Not anymore, this year juries put Ochman on 7th in semi final, while Emma was out of top 10.
Sometimes: Thanks, Jury, u saved this great song!
Sometimes: Wtf, Jury?
I agree with you there^^
They favorized Malta many times and robbed Russia many times in last decade
@@opi7488 well... robbing Russia has political motives... some of Maltese entries were just eye candy for the jury. Like je me casse or Chameleon. So of course they prioritized them.
Its the same with the tele vote in my opinion
@@theofficialdetectivepikach3262 for instance?
Of course Poland is first XD
How come!! That year was obviously meant for Poland to win. Usually these songs go well with jury, but it was the opposite. Rigged
@@jordangrech4433 Bro huh????
@@jordangrech4433 what😐 this song was so bad
@@jordangrech4433 i think the song was plagiarized
There is one with a really similar melody (can't remember it now)
@@user-jo5ph9uo8p many Eurovision songs are plagarised or at least they sound similat (for example Cyprus 2015, Romania 2014, Israel 2015) so it's not a point of Poland to fail at jury
Jury: This is awful!
Televote: This is awesome!
Jury: This is awesome!
Televote: No is just, ok.
Melovin was robbed by the jury
Ever heard of Michał Szpak?
@@Frozone135 Or Robin Stjernberg?
Actually nevermind......
@@Frozone135 I have, but he still got a good placement, while Melovin literally got all his chances destroyed by the jury
he really wasn't
To round up the Top 50 I took songs with a difference of 12 places. These following entries also got a differene of 12 places but didn't manage it into this video as I took the points difference in this category. Portugal 2021, Poland 2015, Serbia 2016, Malta 2019, Serbia 2021.
cool
I get that we always complain about jury, but examples like these show how they're pretty useful at times. Like I'm personally a massive fan of songs like Israel 2016 and Cyprus 2015, both of which were really low in televote and (kinda) saved by Jury. I'm pretty happy with the system as it is, maybe removing some of the power of the juries
That's if the jury's actually do their jobs. There were plenty of deserving songs throughout the years that they let stay in the semis
Well there's always going to be people who like any songs... I personally also preferred France and Switzerland to Ukraine and Italy this year. But it's a matter of principle that it should the more popular songs that does better. No matter how imprecisely the televote is at capturing that, it's many times better than the opinions of a few select individuals.
WHAAAT!! Norway (2019) was in the first place in tele but only 18 in Jury? they got robbed really hard there
more, if it was only for juries they wouldn't have qualified from their semi XD (iirc Norway finished 11th in their semifinal)
Yeah they should've placed higher with the juries, although I don't see why televoters voted it first either.
Yeah, but let's look with some historical distance: Looking from 2 years later, Soldi and Arcade were ultra popular, so 2019 wasn't even the biggest problem
Michał Szpak😭
Yes , the jury was awful with him
🥲
I will forever remember that moment when Sweden got only 21 televote points
I know people see this video as proof that juries are needed but honestly, the only thing I see is that the juries need to be from a more diverse background. It's obvious that all the songs that they saved fit into a norm (either pop or a ballad) and they kill any cultural entries or niche genres. For an event that prides itself in celebrating diversity, it's pretty ironic that anything that tries to be different gets punished. Obviously, we need juries but they should be more in number & at least have some knowledge in other genres of music so that they can evaluate them properly.
I love that people says that Sweden is only successful because of the juries but they’re on here just 2 times lol
They are beloved by both the audience and juries.
You don't count the songs that Swedish guys write for other countries. Like Austria 2018 for instance. If you count all of them then you will see how many there are.
example: Sweden 2016, bad song that both juries and public overrated
5:01 why tele? why?
Yes....
yeah i don’t get it either
One of my favorites from that year!
Why only Sweden getting hate when Malta is overrated by the Jury time and time again?
maybe because Malta was left in semifinal for a considerable amount of time not to mention they dont have any voting block while Sweden is the "queen" of Scandinavian voting block lol?
@@ohandthefracking Malta was left in semifinal cuz they had bad songs not because of the Jury. Sweden has always had enough televotes to go to the final so even without the jury they would still go to the final. Malta is pretty much a part of Italy and the only reason Sweden's neighbours give them points is because they have similar music taste and not because of political reasons. This year for example Sweden didn't get more votes from their neighbours than from others (in terms of jury).
I got all the facts so don't talk out of your ass please. I just find it funny how people jump on the hate train like dogs without reasoning.
@@Hjallapenos being frank i wanted to also mention that some malta's NQ were deserved since the songs and staging were collectively bad (2011,2017,2018)...BUT Sweden isnt as good as you may think lmfao (televote flops in 2013/2018 and this year too, 2015 win thanks to the juries liking recycled david guetta's song and do i need to mention 2019?)
@@ohandthefracking I'm not saying that Sweden doesn't get a lot of jury points. But it seems people give Sweden hate simply for being consistantly good. Malta for example can get a pass on being loved by jury because they send bad songs now and then which doesn't make sense...
@@Hjallapenos sweden isnt good honey.....but yeah malta is just as bad most of the times
ESC 2022 update:
#6 Moldova 2022 (2nd tele, 20th juries, total 7th)
#24 Australia 2022 (24th tele, 9th juries, total 15th)
#46 Azerbaijan 2022 (23rd tele, 10th juries, total 16th)
1:27 what a crime!
I’m still mad for Poland 2016 and Denmark 2018 😪
Do this with jesc I this it would be interesting bc the placings differences would be much less since there are less participating countries 🧐🧐
*think
This transition😬 1:58
2:09 how does it work?
Is austria 2015 a mistake?
You forgot "Hurricane - Loco Loco"
21 by Jury
9 by Tele
12 Difference
Yes, just have a look at my pinned comment :)
So France is always underrated by the televote...
@ΑλέξανδροςR yes we were *overrated*
@ΑλέξανδροςR
The only song that I hate from my country finish 2nd overall, but a masterpiece like "Mercy" finished only 13th...
Allez Ola Ole? Requiem?
@@vincentesc I wouldn't say overrated since the public gave the entry 3rd rank. My problem that I was hearing Edith Piaf singing in the back of my mind during her entry so her vocals seemed lacking to me.
all i remember about that is it being so repetitive?@@vincentesc
What happened with Austria 2015 does not make sense
This video is the perfect proof why the jury is needed. The vast majority of these are amazing songs that are massively underrated by the televote. In comparison the songs that have done much better in the televote here often aren't good at all, there's only a few cases where a genuinely good song gets overlooked by the jury. Most of the time I absolutely agree with the juries more than the televote, which is why I think a combo of the two is ideal rather than just having one or the other. I agree that having only a jury would be boring though since part of the fun is having audiences in different countries participate, but removing the jury would be a big mistake. I think some people forget how messy the results of ESC were when there was only televoting.
Think the same, the jury keeps the quality high and thanks to the tele voters the music is able to evolve 'cause they push the different things, sometimes. I also like it to be able to vote, to help the songs I like, the televote is also an other way to put the population of Europe a bit closer to each other as usual. I like the current mixture of it!
no, the public knows better
@@ok..9382 Not always, but both sides don't 'cause they're all humans, at least.
A jury member from Germany this year (Consi) told in a video of the official Germany Eurovision channel in which categories they have to rate a song, some of them are staging quality (which could explain Sweden' s victory in 2015, Italy was amazing, too, but the Sweden ones was more touchable) and singing quality, so countries can't "just make a great or weird show" to win 'cause it's still a song contest.
We need both part of votes, the top of the tele voter favourites (Italy, Ukraine, Finland and France) were at least in the top ten this year (France was also a jury favourite, but still). Bulgaria would be 18th or so, not 11th, even with her amazing voice.
Both sides mess up, sometimes, so it's good that the one side is as strong as the other.
So I appreciate the actual mixture of both. You have to win at least voters from both side (a few, at least), to win the whole contest.
@@bertbrezel8605 I'd have to disagree, maybe make 25% vs 75%, but that's very annoying when a small group of people decides what's good and gives votes to someone and than public doesn't like it, and they get very little points, for example Sweden 2019, when it was the juries favourite but got very little televotes, or Poland 2016, when juries gave them 4 points but public put it on 3d? place... It's not completely fair
@@ok..9382 Not completely but still fair
100% televote era was very questionable
First
lol portuguese this year placed 7th in jury and 21st in televote why does not appears in the video?
Was mentioned in the pinned message.
Hi peeps frome the CZcams live!
Why isn't malta 2021 on this list.
They were 3rd (jury) and 14th (televote) making the difference 11. The list starts with a difference of 12.
Really shows the bias towards Sweden
Go Home Jury
If you only look at one split voting result, my country (Austria) would've a lot of top 10 placements .
2011: 5th place
2014: winner
2016: 8th place
2018: winner
And we would've finished a respectable 15th in 2015 and 11th in 2017. Sadly there is always another voting that always kills our hopes and dreams (except for 2014 ofc) 😂
Second
I am yours 🇦🇹 13th jury but 0 points ????????
Yeap, due to voting system: judges and televoting place was summed up and transformed to points (for example, 1st place from jury and 8th place by tele is 9 pts). And it’s happened for every country and then they are sorted in descending order. Country which scored minimum points got 12 pts, 2nd minimum result 10 pts and so one. Hence, if jury or televiewers put country in 21-26th place there are was no chance to got any Eurovision points from this country. That’s happened with Austrian song. They got almost in every country 19-27 places by televoting and although the jury put them in high places in total points came out to zero.
@@imaxim3032 hooo :(
My Favorites
I am Yours (Austria 2015) - 6 Pionts
I Can (UK 2011) - 6 Pionts
Allez Ola Ole (France 2010) - 8 Points
Waterline (Ireland 2012) - 8 Points
We Got Love (Australia 2018) - 8 Points
Love Me Back (Turkey 2012) - 8 Points
Dance You Off (Sweden 2018) - 8 Points
Running on Air (Austria 2017) - 10 Points
Lights and Shadows (The Netherlands 2017) - 10 Points
You (Sweden 2013) - 10 Points
Friend of A Friend (Czech Republic 2019) - 10 Points
Beauty Never Lies (Serbia 2015) - 10 Points
Nobody But You (Austria 2018) - 10 Points
Growing Up Is Getting Old (Bulgaria 2021) - 12 Points
Higher Ground (Denmark 2018) - 12 Points
Lion d'ici (Austria 2016) - 12 Points
Under The Ladder (Ukraine 2018) - 12 Points
L'enfer et moi (France 2013) - 12 Points
Spirit in The Sky (Norway 2019) - 12 Points
Jury seems to hate poland so much
I thank juries for saving Portugal 2021 and Czech 2019
I love your video’s, but isn’t it true that Sprit in the Sky should be the other way around (18 from tele / 1 from jury)? They got a little less than 300 points from televoting but had technical difficulties during their jury performance, so their jury score was low
18th place in jury vote, 1st in televote. not 1 point from tele
ALBANIA 2009 WHAT A BOOP
so many basic af songs praised by juries wtf
Israel : 👁️👄👁️
Jury has no taste at all.
They have More taste then televote
This video is a solid proof that both jury and televote have no taste at all.
@@tasthar3505 If no one has taste... Everyone has taste 🤔 ?
@@luisfernandez4057 Someone is salty their country got robbed by the televotes 😂
@@kingofthesands and Miki? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Juries focus only the voice .The public has better taste.
If they focused on the voice then Italy would be winner in 2015 since the guys had the best vocals out of all of the contestants. Jury is focused on what in their opinion would sell well.