Rethinking the Search For Kings David and Solomon
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- One of the great debates in the world of biblical archaeology is about the historicity of the biblical kingdom of kings David and Solomon. Many would say the evidence for such kingdoms is provided exclusively by the grand structures they left behind. But are other metrics of empire being overlooked? On today’s program, host Brent Nagtegaal interviews Christopher Eames about his recent article in Let the Stones Speak in which he discusses further evidence for the biblical kingdom.
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Nicely done,
A careful reading of Exodus points out a few things.
1. Israel had a robust middle class that involved and empowered individual investment in the economy. You could not permanently transfer a family inheritance even to satisfy debts. Also women could own land and property title and deed and it could not be taken from them. Every 49 years all land bought and sold reverted back to the original owner and only properties in walled cities could be permanently transferred.
2. this diffusion of wealth kept monarchs from acquiring wealth to the harm of the populace, for instance, King Ahab could not compel citizen Naboth to sell his land near the king's palace in Samaria.
3. You could not enslave a Hebrew, only indenture him. But after six years you had to let your indentured male servants returned to their inheritance owing nothing and if a female you had to treat her with the same rights as a wife or let her return to her familial inheritance owing nothing.
4. Literacy was required in order that each individual could enter into covenant with God according to knowledge.
These and many other innovations first seen in Mosaic law encouraged thrift and enterprise and made Israel prosperous as a nation above the wealth seen in the monarchy. This system was disrupted by foreign invasion due to Israel's ongoing rebellion against God. Which should come as a sobering warning to contemporary Americans.
SPEAK IT, LEROY. Well said & a fine argument, especially the position of United States today. Self-control is a Gift of the Holy Spirit. Kick God out of schools & courts & then be surprised when self-control goes with Him?
I am from Gulf Breeze, Florida and registered as a member today. I look forward to learning more about Israel and it’s archeological past according to the Word of God via the Bible. God Bless this undertaking!
Thank you for standing up for truth rather than absentia lies.
Very interesting and convincing. Thank you!
Brent Negaatal thank you great podcast
A fascinating discussion!
Brent Thank you SIR.
Love the series. It's important to understand that most people in ancient times knew how to weave and do naalbinding, and there's even evidence of two needle knitting from ancient Egypt that's 3,000 years old. Crochet is so simple and versatile, it's very likely one of the most ancient practices. Textiles don't survive well, so we can't really take the absence of evidence as evidence of absence. People knew how to die cloth and make their own dyes. They spun their own fiber. Textiles were great treasure back then. Rug weaving is still done in the East as it has always been. Even slaves were likely to wear traditional tribal patterns. It's only been a hundred years since textile skills have faded in the West. People didn't go to the store to buy clothes 2,000 years ago. In the cities they might to some extent, but even ancient Greek writers wrote of women working their flax for linen and wool in the cities. They had cotton in the stone age. To think that people went naked because they didn't have money to buy fabric is a complete misunderstanding of the past. If they went naked, it was because heat made clothes uncomfortable, or if they were slaves, because their employers wanted to dehumanize them by prohibiting them making or wearing clothes. They didn't need money to buy it. Nature provides fiber everywhere. Even dog hair, cat hair, and rabbit hair can be spun for weaving. Many wild plants can be spun for weaving, not to mention the cultivars. Even human hair can be spun for weaving. I grow my own fiber, spin, weave, knit, and crochet. I make needle lace. I can tell you that anyone who can spin with a drop spindle is going to spin everything in sight that can be combed for fiber.
Very interesting. Best podcast/interview I have seen from Let the Stones... It is interesting that ca. -1140 Pharaoh Psusennes II had a SILVER coffin/sarcophagus. Perhaps this shows that the focus in Egypt was elsewhere than copper. for some 150 years. Had Israel under Solomon NOT been the source of such mining activity would any copper have been dug at all ca. -1016 to -946? It is pretty evident that ca. -925 Tarhaqa I (see early Dr Hoeh) Egypt had eyes on Solomon's gold. They weren't mining but purloining riches.
Thank you for the truth
Waw... what a revelations
More pictures please. Illustrate what you’re talking about.
We are not searching in the right places folks.
Consider the following from a friend of mine Jon:
These two parallel passages are a bit troubling:
“1Ki 5:8 And Hiram sent to Solomon, saying, I have considered the things which thou sentest to me for: and I will do all thy desire concerning timber of cedar, and concerning timber of fir.
1Ki 5:9 My servants shall bring them down from Lebanon unto the sea: and I will convey them by sea in floats unto the place that thou shalt appoint me, and will cause them to be discharged there, and thou shalt receive them: and thou shalt accomplish my desire, in giving food for my household.
and:
2Ch 2:16 And we will cut wood out of Lebanon, as much as thou shalt need: and we will bring it to thee in floats by sea to Joppa; and thou shalt carry it up to Jerusalem.
What troubles me?
1) all "sea" transport of logs (especially Cedar and Fir: big logs) is done with special ships that keep the lumber stacked on a low flat deck, but out of the water, or on a barge. Either way, they have to be guided with powered ships. Or, loose logs can be transported down a river. It is claimed that a guy out in CA invented an enormous all-log sea float that he used to transport enormous sums of logs from N to S California in the 1800s; however, I've never seen this sort of thing actually work. And one would still need power to assure accurate transport, even if you're fine with soaking your Cedar and Fir in salt water.
2) the place claimed to be Joppa (Jaffa/Tel Aviv today) in Palestine has no natural port. It has two small man-made breakwaters which harbor small boats, but no bona fide "port."
3) The adjustment of terms:
-in both passages, the term translated as "floats" is different: in 1 Ki 5:9 the word is DBRUT - Strong's H1702; only occurs once and as "float"; DBR is typically translated "matter; word; cause." In 2 Ch 2:16 the word is RPSDUT - H7513; again, only occurs once as "float," though occurs nowhere else with no cognates, but "luckily" it's the same term as DBR (???).
-also, in 2 Ch, the wording translated as "by sea to Joppa" is actually OL YM YPU or "against/on sea Joppa" and I don't think there is a "sea of Joppa" in Palestine.
4) I don't know of any language anywhere that refers to sea as YM (yam, yim, eem) other than Biblical Hebrew. And this point, though not as weighty, still bothers me.”
There is no cedar (and folks, come to the Great Lakes region or the Pacific Northwest if you want to know what REAL cedar looks like) in Palestine and there is no indication or evidence that there EVER was.
There is no ports in Palestine.
We are definitely looking in the wrong places for the land of KNON in AMRY (Canaan and Amorite as it have been altered by the Masorah)
Let’s start looking at the text in a realistic and logical way and start reading the L&P (law and prophets) in a proper context, because we have no evidence whatsoever that the OT took place in the Middle East, only cleverly devised anecdotes and sophistry. And btw, you can’t date stone or rock….so we don’t actually know if ANY building in Palestine is ancient, or if these places were constructed to fit a narrative by the British Empire (the folks who actually owned Palestine back then, and I’m guessing still do. The place is neither sovereign nor a real country as it has the big bad US and the EU coddling it’s ever need. It imports virtually all of its supplies and the water purifying system it now possesses was built by the west. The majority of Jews in the world do not live in Palestine. Why? Because it fucking sucks that’s why.
How many cities have you folks found along the Jordan river as is described in the book of Joshua? And explain one aspect of the Jordan which would indicate a good and lush location to have any settlement period?
In short, the OT COULD NOT have taken place in the gravel pit that is the tourist trap of Palestine, no matter how many trees (which often times catch on fire it’s so hot there) you import from the west to make it look prettier.
There is a very convincing argument being made that the silver Pharaohs from Tunis are the biblical Solomon and David.
They used to think Nebuchadnezzzar didn't exist. Now we know everything about him was true. It seems there is a group that hates to admit the biblical record is true. Yasar Arafat said the Jews never had a temple on the temple mount, just to give one extreme example.
Please be aware that the word Bronze in English translations is actually incorrect. The Hebrew word is Nechoshet, which is Copper, not bronze. The metal was used in its pure form in the Temple, as you would imagine, not mixed with another metal to create bronze. My best guess is that the use of the word bronze is related to the word brazen, meaning highly polished, shiny, showy. The copper was highly polished. That does not mean it was bronze.
Furthermore, I’ve looked at the Jordan quite extensively……the outflow of the creek I flout in the summer near my family’s cabin, is larger than the Jordan. And it’s not even considered a river here and more towns actually exist near it than the Jordan and it’s is surrounded by millions of acres of real cedar…….what’s so special about the Jordan in Pale-Stone again?
Furthermore, if you Middle Easterners and folks so stuck on the Palestinian Josephun theory, I consider you visit the Mississippi (a corrupt version of the term MytsRYM from the L&P). THAT is a great river. A true highway of commerce.
Can you have an 800 foot long barge go down the Nile, and to what destination? I’ve seen the end of the Nile….it’s a trickle from the ground. It’s not a river highway like the Mississippi, nor by a long shot, so let’s get that sorted straight away!
In short, the OT did not take place in Palestine, but within the land of AMRY as the L&P clearly state.
But, somewhere somebody has to find a simple coin with the names of King David or King Solomon on it. The riches person in history must had printed his money, and what about inscriptions in stone or even a seal or papyrus, nothing, it's absurd!
I don’t remember that Samual speaking of any monumental building that David did during his reign. He speaks of David’s house being built of cedar and David thinking that he should build God a house made of cedar. After God told David that Solomon would be the one to build Him a house David started putting all the precious stones, Gold, bronze and other precious things in saving for building Gods temple.
So, although David may have had immense wealth it was being set aside for Gods temple not for David to spend on building things.
The Bible claims that Solomon's 40yr rule was peaceful with no wars so that's a strong base for prosperity that should not be overlooked. The other claim in the Bible is that Solomon's era was a time of great trade, of buying from one country and selling to another. Archeological evidence of this should be easy to find in other nations records, especially the region's to the north of Israel.
The arguments is not convincing at all ! What does Roumania has to do with ridiculous ruins in Israel
Monumentalism and the comparison with Romania can serve the purpose of the article. However, it is deeply incorrect on the grounds of author's lack of personal knowledge on what was it like in Central-Eastern European countries before 1989, and what is now. All the 'evidence' you have is based on second- and third-hand sources, and on biased statistics which serves someone's purposes.
Central-Eastern European countries were definitely RICHER than the USA before 1989, if taken together as an economic unit, which they were. If not, why then the USA needed our countries' collapse in order to save its economy?!
And the USA succeeded. No matter that it was AT THE EXPENSE of the wealth of these 13 European countries and Russia. Now we are devastated [much glad that Russia is strong again] not only because all our wealth went exported to the USA and Canada, but because it is still flowing there, and we get nothing. Surely, there are other reasons it is not the time to discuss here, but these are again related to the vicious impact of the USA.
A similar situation to the exploitation of South American countries, or with the colonies of Western-European countries in the previous centuries.
When you have someone super rich it is because he has taken the share of others who became poorer as a result.
In short, your analogy is deeply wrong. Yes, CEE countries were very rich before the fall of socialism in 1989. And our lifestyle level then surpasses anything you have in the USA today.