Debunked: The Early Philistines are NOT Proof Against the Bible
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- Is the biblical description of “Philistines” prior to the 12th century B.C.E.-in fact, over half a millennium earlier-evidence of biblical fable? Many modern scholars believe it is.
On today’s podcast, host Brent Nagtegaal interviews Christopher Eames to examine how the textual evidence from the Bible itself answers the question.
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The ancient Cretan script called Linear A has been found in Tel Haror Israel which is widely thought to be or near the ancient area of Gerar which is where the Bible (Gen 26:17) says the early Phillistines lived during the time of the Patriarchs.
The age of the inscription was dated as late 17th to 16th century B.C. So there could have been early Phillistines in the Levant that were of similar background as the later Phillistines, not two different types as this video suggests.
The same Linear A script was also found at a later time 12th centery BC near Askelon, corresponding to the 'later' Phillistines. So there could have been more than one migrations. Perhaps, the first migration wave was less numerous.
:Beverly-Jean:Fore Gress Thank you MR.Nagtegaal!
Goliath said, why do you come at me with a stick? This reveals that David had a slinging stick, which greatly increases the power of the sling. A sling has the stopping power of a 9 mm. It would have been increased by the length of the stick. This also shows that Goliath had no idea that he was the victim of a weapons testing demonstration for his king. David had the upper hand. Goliath had obviously never seen the sling stick.
Another great podcast MR.Nagtegaal
“perpetuating a lie are you “ yoda
Can you prove it is a lie? 🤥
Very interesting. Thank you
8:00 Philisteene translates to Invader or intruder in many ancient ME languages including Ethiopians.
Thus Many tribes through history have been called "Invaders" as late as Jews coming to Israel out of Ethiopia.
Excellent! Thanks again.
What is sort of a condemnation is not this rationalization that the Septuagint clearly says these are two entirely different people. But that nobody knows this. Every church around the world merges the two groups of Philistines as the same people. That would seem to be a bit of important historical information if the 12 century BC Philistines were merely people from other lands and not the notorious enemies of Israel from ancient times. I am presuming anyone happening on this article, like me probably had no idea biblical scholars...not just modern athiest scholars were noting Philistines weren't around until the 12 Century BC. Because every church and Sunday school around the world are teaching their congregations and their children that Philistines are Philistines are Philistines. We just presume and are taught that Goliath of Gath is from the same lineage as the Philistines that Samson slew with the jawbone of an ass.
The notorious philistines are in the 12th century the previous ones were in ok relations
In Genesis it’s pretty clear the territory of Canaanites it’s in the north and then they conquer lands in the south
Yes, Genesis claims a bunch of things we know is historically, factually, and scientifically wrong. The land of the tribes of the Kənáʿan people includes territories of what the Greeks and Romans called the "Phoenicians". This included the cities of Tyre and Byblos. Not only did Joshua not conquer these cities as supposedly commanded in the Bible, but he traded and then allied with these people because it served his desires for wealth and power.
David, Solomon, and others constantly worked with these Canaanites to improve their economy and the Tyrian architects were even responsible for the Jewish temple.
The Israelites were in bed with the Caananites the whole time.
The word "Caanan" comes from the word which meant to identify the special color PURPLE, which the Caananites were famous for producing from mollusks.
The Phoenician traders made the color purple famous throughout the known ancient world.
The Bible god specifically told Joshua not to allow these polytheistic idol worshippers to live. They not only lived, but thrived and worked with the Israelites until the Greeks and Romans eventually destroyed them.🖖
@@audieabel1261 Obviously you are ignorant about the Hebrew scriptures
@@audieabel1261 you can’t use the same source for your evidence and against it you should see a therapist
@@yosefgreen3130
The Bible is the evidence against itself.
@@lutkedog1 🥱🥱🥱 Obviously you don’t know anything about it really
is the name Philistines mean invaders as it comes from the Hebrew word pleesha invasion - which is the source of the name Palestine?
what they are talking about is the original Philistines were native Canaanite but the later sea peoples were probably Greek, Minoan and Cretans. the later Philistines were pirates.
pelshet is the geographical area and after the newcomers adapted the name it turned the word to mean invader
@@braggsean1026 But isn't is a bit inconvenient that he says the books of Genesis through judges label these early people as Philistines and the latter as Alophine when the latter were 12th century and forward people were the true Philistines not the ones from Cana. Its like opposite land.
@@yosefgreen3130 in Ge'ez the name phalasha also means strangers or invaders - it is the same source as pleesha - the bible names all invaders the same name regardless to ethnicity
@@adamodeo9320 I guess that makes even more sense since they were from the canine family so they invaded from the north I guess that’s where they got the name
Hmmmm...I have never heard anyone using the early Philistines as proof against the bible. I need to look into this. There are MUCH bigger arguments against the OT and especially the NT. I need to see what other scholars say about this.
There is not one valid sensible argument against the Hebrew Scriptures
@@yosefgreen3130
Prove it
All of ancient history brings you back to the Levant and correlate with the early Bible stories of cultivating and farming as we know now the first alphabet is the ProtoHebrew alphabet emerging in Egypt at the time of the Hebrew exile there The city of Jericho now we know is dated to the time of Joshua conquest and the walls fell just as described The city of ei Location is now known and fit perfectly with the biblical story all Israelites worship sites have been found mark as described in the scriptures that is just the tip of the iceberg the list just goes on and on and on
@@yosefgreen3130
Balony! the Sun never stood still and that dismisses the whole story as a lie.
@@lutkedog1 You don’t understand what the text is saying so you don’t know what you’re talking about
The biblical narrative is the only REALITY,
Praise be The Most High YAH
There is only the one true G-D as described in the Hebrew Scriptures
Gods are imaginary friends. Grow up
@@audieabel1261 there is only one true God the creator of everything and beyond your imagination as described in the Hebrew scriptures if you could disprove this please share your evidence
@@yosefgreen3130 Yosef, I will not be making anymore comments under this video, so there's no more need to waste time responding to each other. You seem like a nice guy, just a little arrogant and unwilling to seek the humility necessary to properly challenge your beliefs.
I hope you seriously decide to challenge yourself more in order to grow. Try to learn more about logical fallacies, cognitive dissonance, and cognitive bias.
What you just did was another common logical fallacy. (And when a person commits lots of logical fallacies, there is a fault in their reasoning and critical thinking skills for some reason)
You have the belief claim and you are trying to require someone else to prove it wrong.
"My god is real and I'll believe it's real until you prove it wrong" is no different from,
"Bigfoot is real and I'll believe it's real until you prove it wrong".
For one, I could care less if you believe in imaginary god friends or Bigfoot.
And, if someone made a claim about Bigfoot and told you to prove it wrong, you would seriously question their immaturity and possibly their sanity.
I've already thoroughly investigated all* religions and know via plenty of evidence that they are all faulty manmade beliefs created by psychologically immature humans and no god beings.
The burden is always upon you to prove your ridiculous belief claim whether you believe in imaginary god friends, fairies, Santa, or Bigfoot.
Cya👋🖖
@@yosefgreen3130
Being as learned as you are, you obviously know the Hebrew Bible talks about two gods, the Canaanite El (Ba'al) and the tetragrammaton of the southern desert.
You can say they are one God, but you really know they are combined at a later date.
And that's without getting into the consort El, his Asherah.
Thank you for the podcast, I enjoyed it. I understand you don't know me and that I am not really anyone to you, but I feel that what you should say is: BC, Before Christ. bce it's just an attempt to remove us from the fact that the dates we use are based on the time before the Advent of Christ and the Advent of Christ on. It is what it is. The problem isn't the way the dates are determined, it's with the people who can't accept them. Anytime we capitulate we look weak. We're just saying, in there minds, "Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I was wrong. Political correctness, when it comes to The Word of God, is never persuasive or appreciated. It just says that we're not really convinced ourselves. Respectfully, Gary Davidson.
BCE is inclusive and often used in academic settings because you may not know this, but not everyone is Christian.
And you whining about weakness and pc is just one of the reasons Gandhi was right about Christians.
@@shardanette1Thank you! I appreciate your comment. Of course, not everyone is Christian. That's why the secular community doesn't like BC and AD. It validates Jesus Christ too much. I don't mean to upset you, but it is what it is. Just being honest, the dates are based on the birth of Jesus Christ. The time before His physical presence on Earth and the time since His appearing. Why would someone, who isn't a Christian, be offended by BC and AD. It's historical fact. I'm sure that Gandhi was perfectly happy with AD and BC. He may have said he didn't like Christians, but he also said he likes our Christ.
@@garydavidson4307 Everyone, of any faith, benefits from a common dating system that doesn’t center one holy book over all others- and also one that is stable even if the evidence changes (for example, most historians no longer believe Jesus was born in the year 0, so dating before/after christ’s birth is not even accurate unless we changed every date). The simple fact is that you would prefer to use a Christian-centering date because your are a Christian, and would be unhappy if we used dates referencing Muhammad. If the shoe was on the other foot, you would be displeased at having to use a prophet you don’t believe in as your reference point. Try to see the world from a perspective other than the one you were born with and the benefits of a faith-neutral term we can all share should be obvious
@@hoverboard Hello "Hoverboard", Thank you for your response. 1st, No one is born a Christian, or a Muslim for that matter. 2nd, Christ was born on year 0, whether or not it is 3 out 4 years of from the date currently accepted. If the dates we use were based on the birth of Muhammed, then that would be the event on which we would base them, and renaming them would not change the facts. We do, however, start from year 0. It's the original date that was accepted as Christ's birth date. No one is trying to shift the date a tiny, negligible 3 or 4 years. It would make almost no difference. The date isn't based on the Holy Bible, it's based on Christ's birth. He was born, and it is on that event, that period in time that the dates are based. No one feels that they are being compelled to be a Christian because on the terms BC & AD. Being offended by the original dating method simply exposes the bias of the offended. You can not remove Christ from the equation, so there is no need in trying by changing the terms. As I've said a couple of times now: It is what it is. There are many systems used throughout the World based on secular viewpoints, and I'm an not out there saying: Let's erase those viewpoints and make them Christian. Trying to chang the fact that we got our dates based on Christ's birth is not neutral at all. It's based on bias against Christ. You can use BCE and CE. I'll keep using BC and AD. My point was to the presenters and other Christians, saying that we don't need to be so afraid to offend someone that we are always "walking on egg shells". God doesn't need our help by our always being "politically correct". Again, this is to any Christian(s) that may be reading this. We just need to speak, and do the truth in love. And I mean in love, not ugly, harsh words. The Holy Spirit will do the rest. The terms BC & AD should not offend anyone. If they do, the problem is truly w/the one being offended. Again, "Hoverboard", thank you for your comment. Take care.
@@garydavidson4307 Hi Gary. Take a look around. No one is offended if you use “BC” and “AD”. You are the one who jumped in to a stranger’s video to tell them what to say: you’re the one who’s offended here, in other words. I would venture to guess you would be even more offended if the scholarly consensus had switched to using a Muslim, Chinese or Jewish dating system, rather than mildly secularized (and more accurate, given the originally incorrect dating of Jesus’ birth) version everyone in academia uses. So yeah, say whatever you want, it doesn’t offend me. Just consider letting go of your own need to weigh in on what other people choose to say. BCE and CE have been the scholarly standard for decades now, and even if that offends your sensibilities as a Christian, I’m sure you will agree that “it is what it is.” Have a great evening!
Jesus told us in the end times everything will be made known.
The End Times are here!
Our King is coming 🙏👑
Within his generation
So many videos about topics challenging a problem with the bible leave me feeling the pastor teacher just sounds relieved to have got through his explanation hoping to survive another day. One of the problems of bringing up this topic is from Sunday school we were taught Abraham and Samson were having dealings with the Phillistines. We know Samson slew 1000 Phillistines with the Jawbone of an ass. Delilah was a Phillistine. Phillistines are in all sorts of biblical stories from the earliest days of mankind. And who of us knew this would be like someone telling us stories of how George Washington fought with the Nazis. Stories of he Phillistines land of milk and honey are in Exodus. And what they are addressing here is justifying how George Washington could have battled Irwin Rommel and Anton Drexler head of the Nazi party a hundred years before they were born.
When looking at the full picture you realize canaanites invaded early on and got the name Philistines when they exiled Ebr and his son Peleg to Mesopotamia where Abraham was born
Arguing for the historicity of the Bible is just silly.
Just look at the differences between Joshua and Judges. In Joshua, the Israelites cleared all of the land of Israel and took control. In Judges, that is not the case.
There are many other examples.
For those with faith, you can look past these differences without needing to twist yourself into knots explaining them.
There was 6 years between the death of Joshua to the first Judge. Two different time periods wouldn’t contradict each other.
Someone can't read
@@ChristianAuditore14
Care to elaborate?
@@Samtheman2333
So they just came back? Where had they gone? Do we have archaeological evidence of this mass upheaval and return?
The Egyptians must have written about that since the Canaanites were their vassals at the time. Where are those writings?
Andthe Israelites just let them come back? Or were there other wars that didn't make the bible?
@@shardanette1 since u mentioned the goofy book of Joshua...
Joshua 10:12-14
Sun and Moon stood still for a day so the Israelites could commit genocide. 🤭
Not only is this completely immoral and fictional, it's 100% illogical and fallacious mythology.
Some god is going to stop the sun and moon for Joshua, yet ignore the Jews being gassed by the millions in Germany??
Also, we have the little problem of the Sun staying still in the sky for a day.
That's a bit of a problem if you don't live in a universe where the sun and moon rotate around the earth.
In reality, which most religious beliefs don't work, the sun staying still for a day means the earth stops rotating for a day. This means the oceans would have raced across the land with super tsunamis and killed everything.
Whomever wrote the book of Joshua believed the earth was flat and the earth was at the center of the universe.
(God inspired indeed🤭😉)
I love people that don't share evidence when they're talking about evidence. There should be at least a link to something to back up claim's. I know the bar is low for (trying to say with straight face) 'religious scholar's' but this is sad. I'm glad I came across this channel, I can add it to my do not watch setting for parental controls. I don't want my kid's to end up with mashed potatoes for brains.
There is a link in the description (labeled as "show notes") that goes to the article this interview is based on, which provides more detail and in-text citations.
It’s called the Hebrew scriptures the most famous text on planet earth
There's no link to an outside source. Maybe check the links like I did.
@@yosefgreen3130 you could just say you have no evidence. It's much easier that way.
@@LincolnDWard let me clarify that. There's no link or citation of any kind to a credible, peer reviewed source, which is the standard which is required for this kind of bull.