The Logical Problems With the Trinity
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Christian theology in a
nutshell :
God sacrificed God to God in
order to save God's creation
from God. God prayed to God
for help but God didn't help
God and God killed God with
help from humans.
And that God is a father of
himself and a son of himself
at the same time. He is also
eternal but his birthday is
celebrated on 25th of
December (or 7th of January
depending on a sect). And he
is also the seed of Abraham
who is a human. He also
sent himself on Earth and
committed self unaliving by
forcing people to commit a
sin of murder against him
because it was the only way
for him to forgive humans for
a much lesser sin of just one
woman who lived 6000 years
ago
“it’s a mystery bro”
@@saltyfriesman5330 Sheikh Uthman took them both by himself and both started to contradict themselves. And Shamoun is a pathological liar, resorts to death threats and whines on the FBI, and accuses his opponents of terrorism when he can't win. So no thanks. And David Wood? Probably a closet atheist who panders to christians. What kind of christian allies with an atheist just to hate on another religion? And just like his buddy Shamoun he got crushed by Mr Hijab live on a one on one debate. He's strong and fierce on his channel, then cowers and withers when faced with a legitimate scholar/knowledgeable person.
and the holy spirit who's also God supposedly
keeps on getting shoved under a carpet
CZcams keeps deleting my comments 😂 Scam Shamoun and Morning Wood already crumbled in front of Sheikh Uthman when he debated them 3 vs 1 😂
@@Hannestv4607God is not illogical he is logical he wouldn't become a man , that defies God and God doesn't defy himself or contradict himself
Also read judah 3 where an entire city is forgiven merely because of repenting to God, unlike your God our God understands our flawed nature and all we have to do is sincerely repent and there is a difference between a court judge and a divine judge ... your God told people to die because they ate the wrong meat
We willl appreciate if you made a Playlist with lessons lime this, ordered so new debaters can benefit from it, you are among the first one if not the first that brings this direction of debating and proving the problems with the trinity, I firstly heard it and learn it from you, thank you.
I have an entire course available for free that details this on Sapience Institute's website.
I highly recommend Jake's course on the Sapience Institute website, goes in-depth makes things very clear.
@TheMuslimMetaphysician thanks for pointing that out and thanks for your efforts, you are unique in your dawah way, may allah reward you khayaran.
Thank you for doing the hard work 👍
JazakAllah'u khairan brothers
You can't be perfect and imperfect at the same time
Law of non contradiction basically
eternal god cannot die on cross
Can you quote from the Quran where he got your believe wrong, make it a direct quotation please @@Hannestv4607
@@Hannestv460710/10 for effortless waffle
@@Hannestv4607 are you always this dumb?
Ask most Christians what is the key belief and they will describe the trinity of the co equal god head of Jesus, Father and Holy Ghost and to accept him for salvation. The question I have is why did the writers of the gospel not say that exactly? If trinity is true, then the writers of the gospels should have been fired for incompetence. They could not even spell out something every Christian can tell you in a few lines. So either trinity is a fabrication or the writers of the gospels were the most incompetent bunch around and the holy spirit did not do much a job guiding them.
I just met a christian who said that jesus is a subordinate to the father, the father is the godhead
him and jesus aren't equal
@@mustafaeh to be fair, the Trinity seems a lot more makes sense than the Absolute Oneness of God
Absolute Oneness defies logic
meanwhile the Trinity
there are mind, body and soul within and You are One person, Aren't You? a legitimate question for muslims💃🏻
Puzzlingly, the laws of nature appear to be composed *in triplicate* with 3 copies of all matter particles, each heavier than the last but otherwise identical. [Lucy Reading-Ikkanda/Quanta Magazine]
the Trinity is ingrained in nature by laws of physics, there you have it muslims. Another concrete explanation for the Trinity💃🏻
@@mustafaeh you're not answering the question I asked,
why are you running?
why are you running?
@@mustafaeh there are mind, body and soul within and You are One person, Aren't You? a legitimate question for muslims💃🏻
Puzzlingly, the laws of nature appear to be composed *in triplicate* with 3 copies of all matter particles, each heavier than the last but otherwise identical. [Lucy Reading-Ikkanda/Quanta Magazine]
the Trinity is ingrained in nature by laws of physics, there you have it muslims. Another concrete explanation for the Trinity💃🏻
@@aiya5777 can you elaborate on your physics? Saying absolute oneness defies logic is about the worst statement you can give to contradict the first commandment. Christian have bent over backwards to prove Trinity is absolute oneness and you just destroyed their narrative in one post.
Masha Allah brother, you are doing a favor for every human being who wants to know about the ultimate truth. And anyone who is honest to himself will not disagree with you.
Barakallah hu feekJake, amazing work for the ummah, you are indeed a pillar in the defense of this ummah, may Allah swt the one the only God reward you and your loved ones with al firdous ameen❤.
Excellent
Brother Jake, could you make a video refuting the composition arguments the thomists present against us. Preferably a clarification of our athari aqeedah and how we can affirm distinctions within Allah without it entailing “parts”
Already did...czcams.com/users/liveksgbrXUsoQU?si=NFv7uojUrvpwLnDI
If you ask 10 Christians about their belief regarding Trinity you will get 11 different opinions.
That's why it is best not to go exclusively to people for mere opinions, but to Truth for Himself. :)
What server is this?
Jake do you have any lectures or videos about the hypostatic union and how jesus is god and man at the same time
czcams.com/video/BKtK_bfMQa0/video.htmlsi=E63sbpGcodXlGvUo
💯
Deuteronomy 10:17
American Standard Version
For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
Psalm 50:1
Young's Literal Translation
A Psalm of Asaph. The God of gods -- Jehovah -- hath spoken, And He calleth to the earth From the rising of the sun unto its going in.
🎉
Wow
Before we discuss whether the trinity is logical or not, we need to first find it in the bible. Step 1 before step 2.
I don't care if the Trinity was written on every page of the Bible I still wouldn't believe in it.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Yeah, true. I forgot that the earliest bible is 400~ years after the fact
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician😅😅 yeah its like writing about square circle on every page..who cares???
@@RandomBananaSalad 🤣🤣very educated
It is all about wordings and abstracts. Christian scholars can write 1+1+1=1 on paper all they want. They can invent new terminologies to make it look like it is based on something, while it is nothing but falsehood.
what is the discord channel?
its the Islam discord
@@ruhanfaruque link please akhy
Almighty God, created his first born son , all other things came into existence. Then he created all the angels, . You are totally right because the church fathers from the 3 century. Constantine wanted the trinity because it was political, and it was there collaboration of stolsic. So they say jesus was born 25 December. All of christandon celebrate Christmas which is completely pagan. I agree with you totally. You are a lovely geezer. I like listening to you , but l still have my thoughts my self ok geezer. Chat welcome
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What's the server discord
the Islam discord
The Hebrew scriptures says, know man can see God and live. That's what he told Moses when God was writing the ten commandments.
Hi
One of the big slap in the face of the trinity is that even the false prophet Paul didnt equate between the son and the father and said that Jesus is our lord and that the Father is the lord of Jesus, and it was in cornithians
easiest way to defeat a trinitarians in 3 words just ask
"God is Jesus?" , yes or no
If they can do math better than they can get out of it 1+1+1=1 😮
I was given a calculus exam at school and I answered a question that was put to me by : 1+1+1 = 1 and the teacher gave me zero. 😁+😁+😁=😁
Thank you Christians.
Was the teacher a Muslim or a christian 😂😂😂
@@Hannestv4607You just commited the fallacy of partialism, which is a trinitarian heresy.
I guess in 2024, you still don't know the trinity. 😂
@@Hannestv4607 what is a Chri and what is a Kroan? Lmao
@@Hannestv4607 Not running away. What is the point dealing with someone who doesn't realise he commited partialism. Or with dealing with an ignoramus who think the Quran mentions the trinity in that verse. To top it of, this same ignoramus thinks there was only one model of the trinity in the early centuries.
@@Hannestv4607 Now I know you are ignorant. You think that verse id from the 1st century 😂
Imagine expecting that a farmer in medieval Europe had to understand all this stuff so he can go to heaven 💀
This is a dramatic misunderstanding of Christianity. One need not understand any of what is said here to "get to Heaven." Under Christianity one single thing is necessary: repentance and acceptance of the gift of grace. And a three year old can understand "I was wrong, please forgive me."
From THERE we are invited to dig deeper, and see the complex majesty of the details. But those complex details are not some requirement to salvation. There is no test to get in. Want forgiveness? Accept the freely offered grace, and go and sin no more. Christianity 101.
FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST are TITLES.. not NAMES or PERSONS! God is a Spirit SINGULAR. The Trinity was birthed in 325 AD at the council of Nicaea. The early Church was not trinitarian..the early church were all Jews and believed Jesus was God manifested in flesh according to isaiah 7:14, 9:6 2nd Corinthians
5:19 Colossians 2:9 1 Timothy 3:16.. God is a Spirit (singular) according to John 4:24.. the first gentile convert was Cornelius in Acts 8 almost 10 years after Calvary. The early church believed in one God according to Deuteronomy 6:4 they were strictly monotheistic.
the idea of God being triune or a trinity originated from western paganism as the church expanded through out the west, this debate goes back to the 2nd century, tertullian known as the father of the trinity vs Praxeus. Not all Christians are Trinitarian. Never read the Bible through western eyes.
The Trinity wasn't birthed at Nicaea. See here: czcams.com/video/B0gWe46eEFY/video.html
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician you may be right about when the concept was introduced, (my verbiage on it being birthed) however, historically was it not established at the first council of Nicea in 325 AD?
@USMC-bf1pz No, it wasn't birthed at Nicaea or before. It was "birthed" afterward. If you want to learn about the subject in detail, I'd suggest watched the video in the link I posted.
When i was younger i was surprised when i heard about the trinity. Its not a "different belief" its a shocking mistake. Some things in life are debatable. Like for example if you're speeding in a car, what should the law do about it. If its charge a fine how much, and is that the best way to do it. Is it morally wrong. I don't know. But other things like murder you can't debate it with anyone the law should be imposed on everyone whether they like it or not. The trinity is even worse than that.
What's wrong with the trinity?
Because it’s a lie against God… you can lie about who ate the last slice of pizza. But lying against God is the worst thing. If you believe in God that is
@@mohannadjaradat4024 So what's your problem with it. If God reveals that he is Triune, will you believe it and worship a Triune God? Will you accept that or think it's stupid and not worship God.
@@antimony4127 But that's like asking if God revealed he's a dinosaur will you believe it. The question almost doesn't deserve an answer but because you are actually serious then I have to answer you. God is one... not three. This is the most important knowledge you will ever learn.
@@antimony4127 God is one, because if you go through a calamity you're not going to ask a triune God. You are going to tremble and pray to The God.