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In this video, I have a round 2 discussion on the Trinity with @PraiseIAmThatIAm. He makes a number of blunders in this one and things get quite heated.
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Jake has a way of cutting through the BS of what someone is saying in order to keep the conversation on point.
Yeah this is one of the reasons why i watch him, my favorite Saint Theology Breaker!
There is nothing funnier than Jakes laugh when someone says something stupid lol
Thanks to ALLAH he made us Muslims, keep us steadfast on the right path of Islam, and
I pray for these lost souls to find the truth in Islam and embrace it before it’s too late.
No one will defend Trinity in front of bro Jake
@@hudsontd7778 Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
@@hudsontd7778 you _do_ know that 1 John 5:7 is a later interpolation, right? this is pretty basic level reading
@@singingsavage3056yes sir, 14th century
Masha-Allah brother Jake
Ur right, it truly was the gift that kept on giving
1:29:28 - Says the Trinity is conceptual
1:30:56 - Denies this exact point 😂
😂😂😂
I wonder if he ever sent Tom Rabbit that $50 lol
Salam the fact Christianity is Pagan Religion ...
1:23:50 so a square ontologically has four-sides, but economically it has three. But if you follow hermeneutics the square is actually married, but contextually a bachelor at the same time.
No wonder the west is easily confused what a woman is, metaphysically speaking.
Funniest thing is when Christians complain about post modernism and words losing their meaning
The ending was good
Anytime he contradicted himself he'd just say "See, you're confusing the economical trinity with the ontological trinity, you have to understand the hermeneutical shmutical rubicle thingamabob to understand how you're so wrong."
This is the madness that results from believing 3=1.
watching.... thanks Brother Jake and all...
And they say..We have the Holy Spirit..LOL
Christian worship 3 independent separate God but claiming to be one God . Christian are polytheist but claim to be monotheist. Their hypocrisy knew no bounds
It pisses me off when they things like “it is mystery” or “we can’t understand it logically” ..
Why the heck did u make it up at the first place !
I’d understand u trying to make these stupid excuses if there was an explicit text like “God is three persons bla bla” .. but this doesn’t exist .. humans (fathers) made that up .. u don’t need to freaking give excuses for them .. they should have done that not u !
Praise random breathing is the sound if his soul leaving and also returning back to him.
Alhamdulillah Summa Alhamdulillah, what an absolute credit brother Jake is.
Trinitarians always unconditionally accept first the trinity then try to use any "apparent" similarity to justify it but in incredible funny ways. It is like someone who shoots an arrow against a very wide board, draws a very tiny circle around it, then brag loud about his exceptional "skill"!
I love that analogy 🤣🤣
I am so glad I can understand what Jake is saying. This man is upset with Jake because of the problems he has with the trinity his church fathers started. He is mad at the wrong person.
He is so confused we all are because the trinity was never from God and not meant to ever be understood because it should have never been introduced in the first place. It didn't come from God in the first place.
OMG! These mental gymnastics! When anyone attempts to really understand the Trinity by necessity, "mystery " must be invoked. The solution? Simply: 47 letters, 15 words, 4 verses (Arabic)
1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4 And there is none like unto Him. [5]
Jake won before it even started
This is the true definition of crazy. This would make me run so fast away from Christianity.
Praise was playing a game of “ignore al contradictions ”. He claims the son is caused but yet is a se; and somehow Praise don’t se the contradiction with that.
LOOOL im not even a fan of these philosophical discussions but Jake absolutely butchered this guys position
I’m so glad I’m not Christian anymore Alhamdulillah for islam there religion absolutely makes no sense may Allah SWT guide them
Jake is doing serious damage, I can see the day when Christians will not go near him because he leaves them speechless, I haven’t seen this since the deedat days
Holy Spirit failed Praise !
Christian - There's a distinction between the ontological trinity and then the social trinity which is not metaphysics, it is a hermeneutical case or it's a hermeneutical understanding of the social trinity.
Muslim - Qul Hu Allah Hu Ahad: Say: He is Allah, the One and Only
On defining the Creator, Muslims is straight to the point, no ambiguity. Christianity on the hand, involves having a PhD to understand
The father is not the son vice versa
Economical Trinity, Conceptual Trinity, Ontological Trinity, Social Trinity, Biblical Trinity, herminutical ...😮
When Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God. Was he praying to trinity, just wandering.
Every single time a Christian like this "Praise" guy gets cornered, they make up a magical realm of argument. It's literally a whole nother plane of non-existence they just conjure up instead of admitting they are wrong.
Concede the point bro, you played yourself and your ego is blocking you from the truth. Alhamdulillah for Islam. One God, absolute, all powerful, with no partners -- both economically, ontologically, and metaphysically. ✅
Its already goin down the drain for praise
The greatness of man is if he is ignorant about something, is to say I don't know ! !
imagine about 2000 years in the past the messiah of Allah talks about a so-called economy of the trinity😆 1:01:10 ... 1:22:19 ecenomical trinity
Nothing has ever made me laugh out loud in recent times like Praise and even John according to the way praise put it even John who has low understanding understands what he was talking about 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That was funny 😂
The Robin Hood of Subway Sandwiches... I love it
Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
I'm interested to know what praise fan base think of his argument along with his contradictions. Would atleast one of his followers be truthful and tell him he loss the debate terribly and quite honestly confused us all😂
I'm not sure there's a holy hell brother Jake, unless it's grounded 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
what the hell was that @ 1:19:43 💀
This should not have been difficult for Tom;
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines one God existing in the Godhead as three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, three distinct persons sharing one homoousion.
Aseity is the property by which a being exists of and from itself. It refers to the Christian belief that God does not depend on any cause other than himself for his existence, realization, or end, and has within himself his own reason of existence. Jesus and the Holy Spirit cannot be Aseity.
❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹
'What the hell does that mean? '
Jake thats your t shirt right there. How most of peoples own theory of the trinity.
Ontological state?...
Wish to ! if somebody is close to Bro ,
Jake , to sequence his program or the videos in order , so we can follow what we've missed .
what do you mean by sequence my program or videos in order?
@@JakeBrancatella This is 4820483 months late, but I believe the brother is suggesting to chronologically sequence uploaded discussions so it's easy to track what has already been watched + follow up on multi-part discussions + watch by subject. So videos are titled by topic in the order of when the discussions were held, e.g. "Interesting Title Here! So-and-so Talk #3", "Interesting Title Here! So-and-so Talk #4", etc.
jake at 1:15 : did i pull that out of my arse or......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only way Praise, think his making any sense if his drunk 😂😂😂
Alhamdulillah for Islam simple but deep in meaning.
"Economic trinity" where you have to be "Economical" with facts and truth...
@48:32
P1: Contingency follows non asiety
P2: The Son is contingent on the Father
C: The Son is not ase
Praise really needs to reflect on this
how does a grown man not understand basic concepts that even a four year old would? it was not sincere: Praise I Am just spent the whole discussion deflecting
Aleykum Salam
Praise is saying anything at this point.
مَا اتَّخَذَ اللَّهُ مِنْ وَلَدٍ وَمَا كَانَ مَعَهُ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ ۚ إِذًا لَذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلَٰهٍ بِمَا خَلَقَ وَلَعَلَا بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ . ! ! ! - Allah hath not chosen any son, nor is there any God along with Him; else would each God have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others. Glorified be Allah above all that they allege. . -
23 - Al-Mu'minun
Verse
91 The Nobel Quran
If you take every person in this whole world to xplain the trinity, then everyone will give u a different answer, so according to me nobody in this whole world understand the trinity, yet they believe in it, how foolish.
Christian’s want you to think they believe in one God with 3 essences but what they actually believe in is 3 Gods with one essence.
Imagine Jake debate with Sam Shamoun. I don't think Sam will have the guts to even think about it.
I genuinely feel bad for Christians , it must be hell to constantly try to defend the indefensible and explain the illogical.
The longer I listened to this, the more I said, "Alhamdulilah for Islam!" All of these semantics necessary to fail at proving a point by the Christian was just laughable!
Trinity is conceptual.. yes. The Trinity is conceptual.. yes… 😂😂😂😂😂
Trinity is like someone lost in Sahara desert.
Honestly it’s worse. Because with the desert, you could eventually find a way out. With trinity, you can’t. You’re forever locked in a chest
Human nature fused with the divine nature
...but apparently the human nature is fallen and sinful
from hermeneutic(still in grounded by metaphysical claims) then still makes a metaphysical claim about causation i.e Jesus being begotten.🤦♂
So confusing against all logic and even scripture every Christian try so hard to negates simple math and numbers using fancy terms dancing around the main piont and they fail badly every time, it's obvious simple logic and math no matter how hard you dance around it there is no way out failure is inevitable ,any child can see the contradictions in the 4 century made up concept of trinity.
Romans: god has a god son, sure, why not.
Also Romans: hang on, there's something here about there being only one God
Romans: erhm.. god son equals god, but is not the father who is also god, but they're the same god
Romans: yeah sounds about right, let's get some beer
@@singingsavage3056 🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂to infinity
Jake: “So The son is caused and uncaused..
Praise: “Abso freakin lutely” 😂😂😂
Christianity at its finest!!!
6:20 come guys have a whiff of the BS here. It's really pungent. Oooh nasty BS
I feel like I need to degree in theology just to be Christian
Hahahaha 😂😂
No, just a degree in politics
1:27:50😂😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder if it'd be fair to say that Praise's position w.r.t. Christology is miaphysite i.e. Jesus has a divine nature and human nature that are united in one "physis", as opposed to monophysitism where Jesus's human nature is dissolved into his divine nature.
1:32:50😂😂😂😂😂
As an "Isralite" I believe in "ONE GOD" NOT "THREE PERSONS" And I don't believe in "JESUS CHRIST"
I BELIEVE IN THE "ONE" GOD, CALLED 🕎"YAH"🕎
And I believe that "HE" BECAME "FLESH" AND DWELT AMONGST HERE ON EARTH, AND "HE" ALONE DIED AS OUR "SALVATION" IN THE HEBREW THE WORD FOR "SALVATION" IS
🕎"YAH/SHUAH"🕎
WHICH MEANS,
🕎"YAH"🕎 IS OUR SALVATION..
GOD IS "NOT" THREE
PERSONS..RATHER
🕎"YAH/SHUA"🕎 SAID,
ASK AND I WILL GIVE YOU
🕎"LIVING WATER"🕎
WHICH IS THE
🕎"HOLY SPIRIT"🕎
SO WITH THAT
IN MIND. WE UNDERSTAND THAT
WATER HAS,
"THREE DISTINCT"
"CHARACTERISTICS"
LIQUID
ICE
STEAM
.........
WATER IS NOT
"THREE" SEPARATE
INDIVIDUAL
ENTITIES
TO MAKE WATER..
WATER CAN TAKE ON
"THREE" DISTINCT
"CHARACTERISTICS"
AS BEING JUST
"WATER"
CHRISTIANITY
IS THE
SATANS
GENTILE
"CHURCH"
CREATED BY THE
SADDUCEE JEWS
WHO NOW CALL THEMSELVES
✡️"ZIONISTS"✡️
L❤VE TO YOU ALL AS
YOU SEEK OUT THE
"TRUTH"
WHO IS
🕎"YAH/SHUA"🕎
🔻
🔹️JOHN 14=6-21:k.j.v🔹️
1:30:30😂😂😂😂
Two natures does not make sense at all bro: could you think that a white as black at once..??
1:38:30
Having no problem with the trinity that nosensical concept of god, it is called delusion.
The literal essence of shit thats being spewed out from praise is certainly praise worthy.
So you dodged Sam Shamoun but you want to act tough? O-k
Sam Shamoun is not someone to dodge intellectually. He's a complete joke, but he's welcome to join my weekly stream on the Trinity to come and defend it. I predict he will never join...
czcams.com/video/z-ZK7mrSohA/video.html
Hahahhaahhaahahaahahaahahahhahahahahahahaahahhahhahahahahaah😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
☝🏼