The Rise Of Skywalker Is The Most Frustrating JJ Abrams Film
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The Rise of Skywalker suffers from all of the usual problems I have in JJ Abrams movies. Here’s why.
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-I'm Peter, by the way.
-Rey Skywalker.
-Oh, we're using our made up names.
This is a cool meme, have you thought of posting it on Reddit and using the templates?
@Doctor straing Strange
This isn't a meme per se, it's just a straight-up good joke.
@@RileyRivalle2 yeah, but it would do great as a meme I'm sure
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange I think he stole it from Mauler.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 oh
The last scene would be so much better if she said:
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Just Rey"
Bart3kk I totally agree. After I watched the movie I kind of thought that should have happened instead.
Rey... So~lo.
Yep. That was the idea in TLJ.
But then... you couldn't have had the title be "Rise of Skywalker" to bait all of us fanboys
@@agahnim0196 I always thought of it as Ben Solo rising from Kylo Ren
“I’m Rey.”
“Rey who?”
“Rey Sistance”
Rey smiles and winks at grimacing ghost Luke and Leia.
okay but this would honestly be the best thing ever.
Oh wow
I would have wanted her to say "Rey of Sunshine" and then Luke behind her would be Booing
And Darth Jar Jar clapped. Her cheeks.
Hahahahaha!
"I'm Rey."
"Rey who?"
"Rey Ban," and she slips on the shades
Rey'd shadow legends
ReyBans
Then the song from CSI Miami plays.
There can be Only Wan Kenobi
These puns are wonderful.
Rey: buries the Skywalker lightsabers in SAND
Anakin: Rolls in grave
Those are almost certainly gonna be found by scavengers before too long. I can't imagine they don't have a technology to discover metallic objects (especially ones with active energy sources) buried in sand on a planet that's pretty much entirely sand. Every single scavenger worth their salt will probably have some sort of metal detector. The Jawas will probably be the first to find them.
Wasnt Anakin's body burned? He became like sand lol I liked your post by the way
@@toddgarver5397 WELL if the Death Star survived maybe Anakin's body - won't go there LOL
This is an underrated comment, I laughed so hard
Force Ghost Anakin punching air right now
Rian Johnson: Your parents were nobody, you don't have to come from someplace important to be a Jedi.
J.J. Abrams: But your GRANDPARENTS...
haha underrated comment
So... why Palpatine wants to kill his own son ?
sad part is in the star wars universe you HAVE to be born special to have force powers
Who tf is Rey’s grandmother even
@@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082 Because his non-Force-sensitive son hid his Force-sensitive granddaughter from him when he wanted to make her his heir.
When Kylo tells Rey "You are a Palpatine," it falls so so so flat to me. The reason this moment worked for Luke and Vader was because 1) Luke idolized his imagined father had known and hated Vader for over three years in universe for killing his father and his mentor and 2) because the audience had sat with the mystery of Luke's parentage and Vader's past for two years in the real world only to be thrown a huge and devastating plot twist. None of that happened with Rey. First of all, she had literally never met Palpatine or had any connection to him at all up until that point in her life so that revelation didn't really mean anything to her on a personal level, and secondly, the audience had been re-introduced to Palpatine as a presence in the saga only an hour ago and had no emotional connection to the relationship between him and Rey. I honestly cannot believe that JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio are paid storytellers, what a sad, sad missed opportunity
It is why the revelation "you are no one's daughter" was a real twist that affected both the character and the audience. Honestly at the cinema I didn't give a damn when "Rey Palpatine" appears, because, i mean, was so obvius.
It also worked in ESB because it was a genuine surprise.
It doesn't work as a plot twist in the new movies because everyone was expecting it the whole time.
Thing is, New Hope doesn't even set up Luke's and Vader's past as a mystery. It gives them a backstory and lets the story play out on the basis of the assumption that Luke believes that story.
Hence the genuine shock when, at the climax of the second movie, Vader drops the bomb that Obi-Wan lied to Luke, and the true story was something different from what Luke believed.
Doing it that way was effective because it doesn't just redefine Luke's relationship to Vader--it also implicitly changes his relationship with Obi-Wan, and his understanding of basically the entire situation he's a part of.
That doesn't happen with the "Rey Palpatine" twist, because there was no other backstory to begin with--just a big blank spot with a question mark blatantly signaling that there's going to be a big revelation about it long before the revelation happens.
So the ROS "big reveal" is actually a complete flop in terms of impact--it's not a real surprise (many people guessed it correctly before the movie even came out), and it doesn't really change anything about the rest of the story because the question was never anything more than a gap in the story from the start. Everything else happened despite Rey not knowing who her parents were (not because of something she believed about who they were), so it doesn't really even matter when she finds out.
It was lame, lazy, and boring.
I feel the same way about the Kylo redemption arc.
The story would be way better if Kylo just stayed evil and Rey had to kill him.
Why?
Because the "maybe someone can redeem him" plot thread was blatantly telegraphed from the very beginning of the first movie--and because it's the same fucking thing that happens in the old movies, just without the subtlety or skillful setup for it.
Luke redeeming Vader was cool because everything in the story up to that point made it seem like Vader was completely irredeemable, and only an idiot would even think of trying to convince him to switch sides.
Again--genuine surprise based on good setup that makes it actually surprising, vs. blatantly telegraphing that there's going to be some big surprise, and then being unoriginal enough to pick something that half the audience can already guess long before it happens.
@@macdeus2601 I completely agree with you. That's why I think Force Awakens is a bad opening for the trilogy: besides copying ANH without introducing the really new and interesting element to watch (and that's why it's loved by many fans, who just want a self-celebration of the old episodes and not something new), introduces the "television anticipation" system, in which to keep the audience glued he introduces elements that will be explained in the next installments (and yes, I have the same problem with MCU). The problem is that this system works when movies are released, but when someone looks at the trilogy as a whole it ruins the experience, making the movie dated. Furthermore, this approach irreparably damages future works, as fans will build their theories and if they are not satisfied they will hate the other films: has Abrams learned nothing from the flop of the conclusion of Lost?
Now, I don't want to say that you don't need to anticipate the surprise slightly: Hitchcock himself said that it is better to give small clues, so that the audience can guess and feel satisfied when the twist happens because they had already guessed it. But, in fact, let's talk about small clues: Abrams practically revealed immediately that Rey had an important relationship and that Ren would have redeemed himself. On the contrary, Rian Johnson uses little clues to make you guess that Snoke is going to die, like his words or the shaking lightsaber, but he doesn't spit it at you in the first few minutes screaming "hey, watch out Kylo will kill Snoke!"
And yes, JJ ruined the characters. He had already made them stupidly copies of the classics, making us understand at the first moment how the story of each one would end (Rey wins, Kylo redeems himself, etc ...), but luckily Rian Johnson had corrected the shot making Kylo a villain without possibility of redemption and changing the others a little (Poe is no longer a fake Han Solo but the leader of the rebels, for example, and Luke is no longer an optimistic master like Obi Wan but a cynical man who has regretted the biggest mistake of his life). And instead with this film everyone goes back to being copies of the others: but how bad is it that Poe was a smuggler like Han Solo? It's information that leads to nothing in the plot, doesn't add any new nuance to the character, and just makes it flat.
people had teorized that Rey would be a skywalker, palpatine or kenobi since the first FA trailer. But in reggard of the Rey Palpatine thing yeah if she asked "who?" after the reveal I would not have been surprised. Plus it doesnt make much sense that she believe Kylo, since in the last movie he said she was nobody.
"it's just lucky that Adam Driver is such a good actor"... only good thing most people can genuinely agree on this hot mess.
Uh good at acting like he's constantly on the verge of tears maybe
Gotem
Poe right?
I heard he might play as Solid Snake in a movie.
All the actors were great. The writing and direction were completely disgusting.
Adam was great everything else......................................................................................................................................................................................
......nope 😡
@@totterdell Everything? Hell no. But I get what you mean.
Rey taking Skywalker as a last name is like me taking the last name of a professor I had for one semester.
you had for a few classes then dropped*
professor musashi?
The professor who treated you like shit for the first month, then disappeared and you stopped going, then came back for the last week and suddenly treats you great, tells you to treat others respectfully and suddenly you love them and decide to take their name
Well I don't get where all the praise comes from either..guess u guys haven't watched that many movies...it's probably because the bar has been lowered. We tend to get used to anything good or bad ..that's how the mind works..
If the first 2 episodes would have been better, then none would think that this movie is that good !
Because most people compare things and we are not used to use our imagination.
So yeah it makes it easier to enjoy Content that's the positive aspect of it, But it's also a "double edged blade " Especially whit companies that only care about making money, it's like : If they never invented a Ferrari..and the best Sport car in the world is some decently average model that can't go from 0 to 100km nearly as fast as the Ferrari . The majority of people would just say : yeah it's a great car ..bla bla bla .
Some would criticize it . But how many could come up whit the blue print of a better car in their own mind .
While accepting the existing car for what it is . Same thing without movies .
Most can either like it or criticize them .
But most people can't or rather won't make the mental effort to think of how it could have been better.
And that is why you see productive people that are not creative or particularly talented, occupying positions where they can create movies books etc .. it's quantity over quality .
It's like a creative inflation kinda like printing a lot of money that hardly has any value !
@@fitstar8871 huh?
How much more powerful would a Kylo redemption be if he spends two acts hunting Leia...and only finds her grave?
Dude! I love this idea.
This would have been heartbreaking! I loved his scene with Han (all of Ben's scenes are good because Adam Driver gives his all), but Ben's love for his mother is very important and his arc suffered with Carrie's death.
That hurt so much to read, holy crap.
Getting better story arc suggestions from a random person in CZcams comments than from the ROTS writing team who was literally paid to do it ...
@@Jorah123456789 ROTS( Revenge of the Sith) ? Idk about you but it was a good movie with lore too.
"There is a traitor" Cut
Hux the only named first order character: "I am the Traitor" Cut
"I found the traitor" Hux gets killed Cut
the fact that this was a 1 minute story arc made be pause the movie just to reflect on how comedic-ly bad it is.
God forbid there’s any actual tension
Especially since it's none sensical, so you are telling me the guy that had the nazi like speech in SW7 and was the most active villain in SW7 and 8 suddenly is a treator ? What the Fuck ?
Every single character was butchered in this trilogy in one way or another (or usually many ways). Hux was just one of many victims of bad writing and awful character development.
@nesoukkefka1741 right? Even if Hux would have killed Palpatine and redeemed Kylo with a kiss, it wouldn't excuse that he ordered the execution of dozens of billions of people, when Starkiller Base did that whole shotgun blast to the galaxy thing.
I couldn't believe that her final line wasn't "just Rey" because I felt like that was what her whole arc had been building towards. Ugh I hated that scene
I felt like the only reason to say "Skywalker" is so the title would make sense....
@@marcblair3781 exactly my thoughts
@@marcblair3781 but Ben was the Skywalker.... Sure Han was a Solo, but god dammit Leia is a Skywalker. Ben has Skywalker blood. HE is the Skywalker.
Seriously, you could have gotten the same message across without her actually saying "Skywalker"
Considering the entire movie is one giant middle finger to Rian Melonhead, I would've been absolutely amazed if JJ had used Rian's line from TLJ.
When Rey thought she killed Chewbacca, that was my favourite part of the movie. Not because I'm a sadist or don't like him or whatever, but because it introduced real stakes and told us Rey is dangerously powerful. Then 5 minutes later Chewy is fine. Geez, what a way to evoke emotion.
There are rumors JJ did film Chewie AND Lando AND 3CPO getting killed. Apparently a test screening audience went nuts and JJ reshot things. Will do a video on this soon.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 And therein lies what is, in my opinion, the biggest problem with TROS. Abrams is more concerned about pleasing fans than about telling a good story. Here's the thing about fans and audiences: if you ask them what they want, they will just ask for the same thing over and over with minor alterations. People claim they want originality but in reality they want the comfort of the familiar. That's why it's incumbent upon story-tellers to ignore that impulse and do what they think works. Great art isn't designed by committee, it's created by artists who want to share how they see the world.
I think the biggest problem with this film is that, because Rey's gone two entire films up to this point being a complete non-character, trying to make her into a protagonist at this point would just take way too much time. The only interesting thing they could have done with Rey was to take the time over this film or the last to turn her into a villain, and let Ben become the protagonist by the end of the film. Chewie dying, Dark Rey, and the Rey Palpatine reveal all leaned into this, which only succeeds in making this film extraordinarily frustrating because all of these turn out to lead to absolutely nothing.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 That doesnt suprise me, also considering the target audience is for children.
@@Christopher_TG They got so much heat for telling people while they liked starwars. The biggest push was to give the fans what they wanted.
The last scene looks heartwarming until you realize that that old lady knows where Rey buried the lightsabers and now she has to kill her.
The only way this works is if this whole story takes place in alternate universe in which Luke killed Vader in anger on Death Star 2, preventing from redemption and preventing Luke from maturing.
Honestly Palpatine may have possessed Rey: I mean he knows how Anakin hated sand and he’d have to know how Luke lost his aunt and uncle on this planet (under his leadership)
I love how JJ spent the whole final movie of the series backpedaling on what the movie that came right before it did. It doesn't matter whether you or he liked it or not; to make a good story, you need to be able to roll with the punches. And JJ clearly couldn't. So he brought back the same villain from the last two trilogies with zero introduction and shoehorned him into the plot where he didn't belong, he made a point to undo everything the last movie had done, despite it's importance to the overall consistency of the plot and in the process severely undermining the point and themes of the trilogy in the first place and generally wrecking the way that Kylo and Rey mirror each other (specifically in terms of their pasts and families and how it impacts their characters and their futures). Dammit, JJ, if you had just used a little more self restraint in terms of "Nuke Everything I Don't Like" this could have been a good (well, good *ish,* since it'd still be emotionless and horribly paced) movie. Ugh.
I think that's kind of hilarious since that's exactly what Rian Johnson did. It's like they were competing to show who is the most important by not acknowledging the other filmmaker.
@@disparateconnections6776 I think Rian at least didn’t retcon TFA and instead took it in a completely different direction than what JJ had originally planned (Which was probably more nostalgia bait lets be real here)
@@thanatoast I can understand TFA to be a nostalgia bonanza to reenergize the base, but after that, you need to come up with new material and not rehash old stuff.
@@disparateconnections6776 TFA started ruining the lore established in the previous movies, Rian did the same but better
@@adityabhalekar3506 you mean he Ruined it better
"I'am Rey."
"Rey who?"
"Rey Rey Binks."
Directed by Jar Jar Abrams
Underrated
This is my favorite Rey Who joke
FartingFatso69 Listen. I think you don’t understand film if you think jar jar is bad. He is by far the best Star Wars character.
@FartingFatso69 … where were YOU? People have been calling him that ever since the force awakens...
@@battybuddy Maybe he's a new fan.
Everybody gets upset about the last scene because she calls herself Rey Skywalker. I am really upset because there is an old woman on tattooine that just happens to walk by at the exact same moment that Rey was visiting the Owen's farm. - a deserted place in the middle of f*cing nowhere. Just so that Rey could say her name into the camera.
10,11,12
, I made the EXACT same comments to my gf on the way home after the movie.
Well I'll give JJ credit - if he had a cheap knock off of R2 and 3C come by instead I would have literally lost it and tracked him down and choked him to death. Sometimes Iger does good things and probably was like we can only afford an old woman for one day JJ. JJ: you corporate hacks!
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 You know I can go with you on this.
Great point !! So many examples of that and a big reason y most blockbuster are terrible. They need to craft scenes from scratch to setup their big reveal or whatever because the story always comes second. Big productions are mostly one liners and visual effects and the plot is just a mean to showcase them
“We know that he’s the equivalent to a school shooter in this universe”
I almost spit out the cheerios I was eating😭
69 likes. Nice
This whole trilogy feels like a fan fiction spin off
I've read better fan fiction than the writing of this movie.
rey feels like the perfect self-insert mary sue Jedi you just know fanfic authors can't resist portraying themselves as.
I honestly think part of the problem is the fans. I mean, the modern fan seems to want fundamental fan service to celebrate the originals and make them feel better. Last Jedi is a great movie, but it was hated by fans for that, while Force Awayks and Rise of Skywalker were just fan service stories copying the originals. They were wrong to give the third film to Abrams, who obviously went back to his vision when the original plan was "let's give each chapter to a different director who uses what others have done to continue the story". And it will be unpopular, but between a trilogy directed entirely by Abrams and one directed entirely by Johnson, I prefer the latter: at least they would be films and not Fanfiction / fan service collectors.
This whole movie has My Immortal vibes.
@Lost Soul I haven't seen The Mandalorian (so it can be cool, I don't doubt it), but everyone loved it for three reasons:
1) after they hated sequels they would love anything
2) is fanservice (I know of an appearance of the young Luke, same as the originals and devoid of any evolution that all the fans wanted from the sequels) and shows what the fans wanted without risk
3) it's fashionable, and when everyone likes something most people try hard to love it a priori without even having seen it all (a bit like Endgame or Episode 7: most of the nerds I know considered the movies "masterpieces "without even having seen them, only according to their expectations).
then I repeat, I have not seen it, I do not doubt that it can be something really beautiful and that it deserves all the love it receives.
I used this saga as an example, but the gist of my story is that fans (probably because most modern blockbusters are either part of a movie saga or are based on a hugely popular comic) don't seem to want to be amazed and surprised by a movie, but only that it meets their expectations and exalts the original product without trying anything new.
And for what concerns Star Wars I would say it is the case: I do not know why but the fans seem to evaluate the films of this saga not as films, but as episodes of the macro saga. Many when I talk about the prequels say "it's true, they suck as a script, direction and interpretations, but they are important episodes!" I mean, what do I care? The film must be done well as a film, whether it is in line with the original or important to the story it doesn't give a damn (then it would have to be said that the prequels are also bad episodes, but forget it). I mean, some of the most important sequels in history (Aliens, Terminetor 2, Temple of Doom) are beautiful precisely because even if they twist the original they manage to be good movies.
P.S: don't worry, I have expressed an opinion probably different from yours but I have a brain, like you who think differently from me.
PPS: to answer your first question yes, the fault is definitely the fans since after the failure of Last Jedi with them, Disney abandoned the script for Episode 9 (which at least took its own paths and went on with the elements left from the previous movie) to bring Grandpa Palpatine back, put in the "big kinship reveal" that the fans wanted (despite making the protagonist a fanfiction character and ruining her story arc) and other purely Fanservice stuff. And in fact, if I'm not mistaken, many fans enjoyed this film precisely because it was what they wanted.
I think if her parents left her because they were AFRAID of her, that would have had more of an impact
Funnily enough, I once read that in an Episode 9 fan script.
That would have been a good idea
That seems more of a meta commentary on how OP the character is than a legit story point to me.
Exactly there are so many more scenarios that would have been more interesting than the one they went with
Reminds me of an X-Men related film.
The very idea of bringing back Palpatine from the dead, out of nowhere only at the end of the latest saga is bad writing and reeks of desperation!
Have to kill him with my head canon. After all, the head canon of a thousand fans is more powerful than an exploding death star.
I loved the idea of bringing back the Emperor. It was hinted in Last jedi anyway
@@Starglance While I actually enjoy the Emperor being back and it makes sense given how much that guy was into immortality, so his return would have been inevitable frankly. How was it hinted in the Last Jedi? I've watch that several times and there is no hint in there at all. Unless you are going to go with the Snoke being cloned from palpatine thing in which case, that is a weak hint at best.
Completely disagree, it made SO MUCH sense. He was the villain of the previous two and lierally set himself up for a comeback in episode 3 with the opera room speech.
I personally think ROTS justified itself completely.
It wasn''t out of nowhere either. Not only did episode 3 hint it, but there were hints in both TFA and TLJ, such as Rey's fighting style, Snoke's theme, Palpatine's theme playing when Snoke tortured Rey, Snoke having similar motives and dialogue as Palpatine. Plenty.
@@breakingthefourthwall4945 Um, you are taking some really circumstantial evidence and calling them hints.
First off, Rey's fighting style was a desperate use of a lightsaber which she hadn't even had the first clue how to use properly. So that is very weak and even some novice sword fighters do the same move when they are attempting to attack. And if you are talking about the Last Jedi fight, her style was nowhere near aggressive or similar to Palpatine's that was showcased in Episode 3.
Second, Snoke's theme and Palpatine's theme playing when he was torturing Rey. They have similarities but its generally used for the dark side, not just Palpatine.
Three, similar motives and dialogue can be applied to any dark sider across star wars both in legends and new canon. Using anger and the temptation for power makes sense when trying to convert someone. Also Snoke's main motive was to use Kylo because he was a unique blending of light and dark believing that he could have become the ultimate dark sider, finding interest in both rather than one over the other. Rey, was just more powerful and it makes sense that a dark side master would want to find the strongest apprentice they could to dominate and control.
A true hint would have probably been during the lightsaber vision; they could have shown Palpatine or his influence rather than the Skywalker history. Maybe Rey could have possessed some sort of relic or trinket that would have hinted to her connection to him. The way they have it now doesn't fit and makes the connection seem flimsy in comparison.
Kylo Ren: I've traveled all the way here to kill you, old man!
Palpatine: But don't.
Kylo Ren: Okay.
Sounds like the beginning of Threat Level Midnight 😂
bro it reminds me of sasuke literally cutting his ties with everyone wasting his life killing itachi leaning his truth and going to kill the elders at the leaf village only to say never mind when some old dudes he never knew tell him he shouldn't..smdh ...and he believes them....now if he talked with them after he an itachi met up again like they do to fight kabuto before he met the kages that change would feel more natural after itachi tells him some stuff and then the kages do but instead its backward ruining sasuke's arc forever for me cause his actions while in the leaf village make no sense
The supreme leader is.. not so supreme anymore.
@@astonthomas6953 Kylo Ren: I've got a package for you.
Palpatine: Leave it at reception.
Kylo Ren: I was supposed to deliver this one personally. *pulls out lightsaber*
Palpatine: I can give you everything.
Kylo Ren: *runs out of bullets*
Palpatine: Kill the girl.
Kylo Ren: Lol ok.
Palpatine: Cleanup on aisle 5!
The word "somehow" sums up this entire movie.
No moment to mourn Ben's death at all, he dies and like 2 seconds later the resistance is celebrating it isn't given a moment to breath and that's how I feel the movie is as a whole
Even Darth Vader's death was more impactful and more time to breathe
I said the exact same thing, there is absolutely zero time to breath in the movie, like when Leia days it's a really said moment but it just moves right past it cause he smashed so much in one movie
Ryan Herrmann yep just “go go go go go go gogogogogogogogo gooooooooo!”
There’s no time in this film for anything. Everything is so damn rushed that the already pathetic writing just feels even worse.
Exactly, like he said in the video, if we'd discovered Chewie was alive at the same time as Rey it would have had so much more impact rather than revealing it 2 minutes after it happens without leaving any time for it to sink in. The whole movie was a mess.
He gave Chewie a medal like that mattered after all his friends died
I really hate that Palpatine's return is explained with a meme
@@aMoodyHipster
I really hated palpatine's return, full stop
What if it was Han's medal? Though that just begs the question how Maz had it.
Brandon Dinh Rian killed the villain and I don’t have one so - make up nonsense reason and bring back the original one.
@@zakpakwin The same way she got Luke's lightsaber.
All of the alternatives for "Rey Skywalker" I've seen in this comment section are better than the original
Including rey coronavirus?
@@motor4X4kombat yeah
My favorite so far is Rey Sistance.
Maybe also Rey Swan (Watch Once upon a time to get that reference)
Her name is Rey-D Shadow-Legends, the award winning free to play game that all the cool young people are playing these days.
Okayso... I think the Chewie's Medal thing could have worked, if it was done right, in Force Awakens.
A little while after Han dies, we have a emotional scene with Leia, going through some of his old stuff. Leia finds Han's medal. Cut to Chewie, on the bridge of the Falcon, in the captain's chair, in grief. Leia comes up behind him and says, "I found something. I think you should have it." She puts the medal on him, ceremonial like, then they hug and cry it out.
I wanted to say that it is pointless to give Chewie the medal in this trilogy. Because it was a fuck up that was contained in the original trilogy. No need to drag it out to other movies.
Anyways, when I read your comnent I do have to agree. This is a nice way to call back to and fix this issue.
You should write the next trilogy :)
It wouldn’t have at all! Hans death negates his entire arc: he has a son that grows up to be the next Darth Vader who revives the empire Han attempted to overthrow in his youth under leadership of the same emperor
He doesn’t die in a way that maintains his development from the OT, nor does he have anything to do with Ben’s redemption (that hallucination doesn’t count).
The prequel trilogy exists to basically compliment the OT while the sequel trilogy completely negates it. By trying to stick it back to George and the prequels the trilogy ruins the portion of the saga that everybody which is so appropriate given how the whole project just openly disses the creator of the franchise
@@KellogsR-ny7ug I said I could fix the Medal thing. Not the entire sequel trilogy.
"I'm Rey."
"Rey who?"
"REYD SHADOW LEGENDS"
Stolen
Nice stolen joke
Whats raid shadow legends? Only the biggest MMORPG of the decade! I mean check out these graphics, theyre insanse, only competed with big titled pc/console games graphics!!
OH NO! THE MOST MURDEROUS SPONSOR OF 2019 IS BACK FOR REVENGE!
River if you look at the post time this guy actually posted before the other one
Rise of Skywalker feels like a Star Wars fanfiction written by an 8-year-old, made into a movie by his billionaire father.
Had this thought as I was watching it
Not far from the truth.
Watch that Jenny Nicholson video in which she reads SW fanfiction and some of the plot points are the same, down to the Snoke clones and everything.
Yes! Iv’e been trying to put this thought into words since I first saw the movie
@@QuestioningYam It didn't. It tried to retcon the entire movie, that's why it was a damn mess.
However you feel about TLJ you can't deny that it had some interesting plot points, like Ray's parentage.
Instead of rolling with them they just turned the movie into a corporate checklist.
But I guess it makes sense when you consider that the only reason this trilogy exists is to promote Star Wars Land.
I liked Jenny Nicholson's idea of having Rey's parents leave for whatever reason, then young Rey reaches out and accidentally blows the ship up with force lightning. It would be such a good reveal for Kylo Ren to lure her to the dark side with.
As soon as I saw the vat of Snokes I said under my breath “Is this a joke?” My headcanon is that it is.
It's like Aliens 4, but even worse.
palpatine would be the kind of guy to make a bunch of fake snokes entirely as a bit to fuck with Kylo Ren
Palpatine is re-introduced, after his death, in the movie's opening crawl.
How do you introduce the film's antagonist, off screen and out of the blue?
How?
How, How, HOW!!!!
You introduce him in the Trailers frist and then in the opening crawl , with 0 foreshadowing in the movies before..Later on you claim to have been planing this since the beginning :D good old JJ
Because tie-in book/comic money incoming?
"EMPEROR PALPATINE is talking shit on the radio in FORTNITE!!"
how did the first order took over the galaxy in between movies when they lost their only weapon and the republic is way more than 5 planets?
Apparently he made a big force broadcast or some shit? It’s so stupid. Why in the hell would he announce to the whole galaxy that he’s alive? Especially when most of the people in the galaxy probably don’t know who he is or just don’t care. It’s the classic villain explains his whole plan for no reason thing. Palpetines plan is super confusing and un-motivated as well. In the beginning he wants kylo to kill Rey and join him, but by the end he needs Rey to be a vessel for his dark side mind or whatever. And then they just forget about that too and say he doesn’t need a vessel he just needs to suck the life out of kylo and rey, and then he’s just killed by Rey despite the fact that they set up that he can just die and come back with little to no consequences. What a great conclusion to a very confused and convoluted movie
“There’s no story to this story. It’s just fan service.” -JJ Abram’s career
That's completely unfair to JJ. He also uses mystery box device...
Eh. There is a market for that
I can subvert your fan service and replace it with...nothing. Then you have to start over again, and it’ll be too late. _ Darth Rian.
I mean those star trek movies he made were not fanservicy at all they seemed more dedicated to being as little like star trek as possible
@@summertyme5748 Rian actually set up for a conclusion to the saga pretty well IMO. The fact that Rey was just a nobody and the force lives on in normal people everywhere gives hope that one day a new Jedi order will be formed. Most of the major problems the last jedi had were actually already set up in movie 7 due to magic box story telling and bad characterization of side characters that are going nowhere. Essentially, the series was doomed to fail from the beginning of the trilogy.
JJ is such a hack. I've been saying it so long and it does my heart good to know that everyone else is beginning to see it too.
uhm a lot of people have been saying that for a long time, its just that the average person is like really stupid and likes dumb flashy movies so he keeps making money anyway
@@TheSuperappelflap in 2008 he was the next Spielberg. Over the years people have started to see through it but it really tool the last 3 years or so to make people really see.
I've enjoyed the Star Trek films, but TFA and ROTS are riddled with ugh moments.. the characters are so surface-level. Rian Johnson took this setup and gave it depth, compassion (you started to understand Kylo's motivations, and Rey's as well), and layers of themes (self-sacrifice vs preservations, "good" vs "evil" vs "live for yourself", identity, the conflict of becoming a master / legend, guilt, depression, hope.. TLJ is perhaps the richest Star Wars movie in terms of themes, woven in a fabric of an invisible pattern you only see when you step back and look at from different angles.
I don't think he is a bad director, he can do great stuff, but I think he is a bad fit for for classic IPs like Star Wars in same same way Micheal Bay would be.
You're not alone - I think he's mid at best.
I'm so disappointed with how they wrote Rey, Finn and Poe. Those characters had so much potential
They should have been focusing on Luke Han and Leia
It’s still their story and apparently they’re still fighting the same war as that of their youth within the same status quo and against the same main villain
All they really do in this movie is die. It should have at least worked with how these characters grew but they just regress back to themselves in their youth or worse
Poor Oscar, he knew that the phrases like "they fly now" and "somehow Palpatine has returned" made no sense according to the lore.
Yeah saw interviews where he looked just so done with this movie XD And his character Poe was my fav character.
You could tell he was phoning it in....
Esp his response to 'I'm the spy'
Palpatine returns in legends also dumbass fake fan boy pretending to know shit. If you haven't paid attention to the Eu then fuck off and shut up.
@@deweydugger8201 But many acknowledged that Palpatine coming back was stupid. That and SW Legends aren't canon. They have no real weight compared to the movies. Essentially fan interpretations that can be ignored.
But JJ makes it real because he AND Rian dug themselves a hole and lazily tried to get out of it in the laziest way possible that undermines the struggles of the OT and PT characters that people care about.
the 'they fly now' line is a causality of the Marvel-ization of all Disney owned franchises. The 'Palpatine has returned' line reeks of Abrams mystery box-ism
“I’m Rey”
“Rey who”
“Don’t have a last name, Just Rey”
“REY SOLO!”
That was what i was hoping!! so much sense... her first father figure, her first call to action and refuse in the monomyth ... her loved one and conection.. can't belive they missed that
True, but I was meaning for the tatooinian to say that line (like in the Solo movie)
Actually her real name in the ending is Rey Solo-Skywalker.
Because she is in everything but name the adoptive daugher of Han Solo and Leia Skywalker.
And she have been treated like Leias daughter since the second they met in The Force Awakens even having Leia ignore Chewbacca after the death of Han Solo because hugging Rey she didnt knew and had never met was that much more important to JJ Abrams and Disney.
@@TheCultureCommentary
Leia Organa never shared the Skywalker last name.
If that's you headcanon her title will be: Rey Organa Solo Palpatine.
Wrong... Its clear she told Rey that Luke Skywalker was her brother before the third Disney movie because Lukes force ghost on Ahch-to directly told Rey his SISTER left something for her and she off course never asked him who that was or showed any surprise. Rey responded "LEIAS LIGHTSABER" clearly disproving the claim you just made. She knew Luke and Leia were sister and brother She knew Leia and Han Solo were the parents of Ben Solo.. Hence she knew Ben Solos real identity as Ben Solo Skywalker the sister-son to Luke Skywalker and son to Leia Skywalker and adoptive brother to herself in everything but name as all she ever did around Leia from the first second they met in The Force Awakens was acting like wanting to be her daughter and share hugs and intimate moments for absolutely no reason at all.
"I'm Rey."
"Rey who?"
"Rey, a drop of golden sun~!" She skipped off, singing merrily.
(I'll see myself out.)
XD
Me, a name, I call myself!
I love this one
Rey Shields!!
@@jonathantruong7069 far, a long, long way to run
Half the comments- Boys can be friends without being lovers
The other half- Rey who?
REYD SHADOW LEGENDS
media loves to perpetuate sexual thoughts through subtle brainwashing hints and push agendas so we continue populating the planet t create drones for them to control and in anime thy love to do this since japan is so low on sexual activity...they think everyone is as horny as they are
“I’m Rey”
“Rey who?”
“Reykjavik, Capital of Iceland.”
Nah she's Rey shadow legends
“I’m Rey.”
“Rey who?”
“REY MYSTERIO”
*does the 619 and pins her*
Booyaka 619
Booyaka booyaka
2 likes off from 619 lol
Nah more like I'm Rey
Rey Who
Rey Wick
Better than the whole sequel thing combined.
I've finally built up the courage to watch this video since I'm over how ANGRY this film made me. It only took me two years
holy shit your point about grief in this movie is one of the huge things that bugged me. When chewie “died”, that was an emotional moment. Then they IMMEDIATELY undid it. Same with C3PO. Could’ve been really powerful moments, but they didn’t matter to anything
even when Han died nobody really cared all that much honestly.
It wouldn’t salvage the outcome but it blows my mind that they cut out the scene of Luke mourning. At least Luke would come off as less of a sociopath feeling the consequences of his uncharacteristic rigidity
It drives me nuts when people insist that Luke gathering the dice suffices: it doesn’t! Luke starts to mourn but is immediately disrupted by R2 and his whole mood does a 180. I’m like “do you give a fuck about anyone?!”
He might as well have killed Vader in anger on the Death Star 2
Oh my god JJ is the living embodiment of Raymond Chandler's maxim "When in doubt have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand" but just like, all the time. Every door, always a man with a gun.
oh no
Lol. JJ Abrams sees your door and kicks it down. He don't need doors. Men with guns will spontaneously appear from the ether.
he writes films like Michael Scott does improv
No wonder his movies are so dubious.
It reminded me of Aquaman, which used this to a hilarious effect.
Headcanon ending: After Luke brings Vader back to the light side, Vader kills the Emperor, redeeming himself and bringing balance to the force. The end.
Because regicide to save one's own son completely absolves someone of past genocide, torture, and the mass murder of children, among other atrocities? Sure...
@@JamesSerapio What more is Vader supposed to do, he literally gave everything he had to rid the galaxy of a tyrant, its the most he could do. I don't think redemption is fixing your mistakes, because you can't fix most things, let alone stuff like murder. Its about acknowledging mistakes and trying to be a better person.
@@JamesSerapio It was about him finally getting fed up of being evil and following palpatine and finally doing the right thing, he becomes a completely new person from what he was before and would never do what he did as Vader again, of course it doesn't change what he did and that is why redemption arcs tend to end in death, is about the characters changing , truly changing, not about the others forgiving them or even the audience sometimes, he may have had a change of hearth but his deeds are there and people is not going to just forget, a heroic sacrifice for a life of evil is more symbolic that Vader killing the emperor and then going back to be imprisoned for life or executed or running away or just not facing any consequence whatsoever
@@JamesSerapio Same thing can be said about Kylo Ren, which only shows how much rehash of originals this new trilogy is.
@@JamesSerapio Maybe this is his way of saying the sequel trilogy should never have happened.
"Im Rey"
"Rey who?"
"What do you care? We're just meeting in passing"
Watching The Rise of Skywalker is like watching commercials on Nickelodeon. Everything is going 1,000 miles per hour.
My head-canon is pretending this trilogy was never made.
Agroed I found another one of my kind
Same.
Star Wars ended in Thrawn Trilogy at all.
@@DerpaTure9503 but TT is very good. Have a good story and good characters.
Same
"Im Rey."
"Rey who?"
"Raid shadow legends"
UnderREYted comment right there
"Rey Sue"
hahahaha
Luke Schlattwalker you win 😂😂😂
I hate raid
1:51 - Personally, I HATE this kind of "dynamic camerawork." The "revolving camera" is one of the most nauseating techniques in modern film. I realize that it's use in this scene was, as you say, to make "boring dialogue interesting," but the reality is, this scene (as scripted) ISN'T EXCITING, so it shouldn't be artificially made to be. That's something Abrams (and a lot of modern directors) don't seem to understand -- not EVERY frame has to be this energetic sensory overload. On paper, the scene is "character A is telling these other characters they all need to go back to town." There is no context in which this could be action-packed; it's just a short dialogue scene where the characters (and the audience) are told where everyone is going next. _Raiders of the Lost Ark_ is considered an action film, but even Spielberg understood that not every scene should be break-neck pacing. Several scenes are paced slower, such as Marion's introduction, Indy's conversation with Belloq in Cairo, etc.
Abrams uses the camera to "amp up action" because apparently he feels the script itself is insufficient to grip audiences. A similar scene occurs in the 2009 Trek, where Captain Pike and Kirk are sitting in a bar and Pike convinces Kirk to join Starfleet. Once more, on paper, this is a simple dialogue scene between two characters. They are sitting in at a table in a bar. There is no "action" in this scene, yet Abrams chooses to shoot the scene in handheld "shaky cam," as though we're having this conversation while under attack by Klingons.
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Abrams is NOTORIOUS for making mountains out of molehills with otherwise inconsequential scenes or shots. Yet another example is in _The Force Awakens,_ at the Resistance base just before the fighters launch. Poe walks past Finn and they exchange glances. Poe pats Finn on the shoulder and smiles, as if reassuring him that everything will be fine. Rather than shoot this short scene with the camera locked down, Abrams has the camera sweep by while keeping Finn in frame. WHY? Why is this scene being treated like a nail-biting action sequence??
It comes across as wankery, too. Like "look how much budget we can spend on getting the 360° set!" rather than something actually useful or clever.
For me the whole trilogy was a dumpster fire. There was no real continuity as to why these 3 films was the last trilogy of a 9 part overall story.
The most clever aspect of this trilogy was the exploration of good and bad through the names of Skywalker and Palpatine.
Or at least it COULD have been if we had known that Rey was Paltpatine's granddaughter from the off. Her life didn't have to echo Luke's upbringing in the desert, and Ben Solo didn't have to be Kylo Ren: the new leader of the Super Duper Uber, and you thought the last lot was bad, Super Nazis in space!
The trilogy could have been based on old supporters of the Empire looking to Rey to become the new Sith Lord, and nobody noticing that Ben Solo was a bit bad tempered for a Jedi. The dynamics of that had way more potential than the Mary Sue and the Pantomime Villain complete with Pantomime Army that we got here.
Remember that scene where Luke had a one on one conversation with Darth Vader. They were on a walkway trying to convert each other one last time. Darth Vader is looking at Luke's lightsaber. Luke showed his good natured character by saying he still senses the good in Darth Vader.
Vader stays silent, looks at Luke, and says, "It is too late for me... son."
That was a fucking scene. Wasn't interrupted by some damn explosion or a cutaway scene to a space battle. Just a good fucking scene to further the story. Nothing fancy, just an intense moment between the good guy and bad guy, father and son.
That scene is so awesome. To me, along with Yoda’s training, it kind of defines what old school Star Wars was at the core.
But rarely do film directors and producers understand the relevance and value of the core structure. For most it is only the superficial that counts. The explosions, the battles, etc. All of that is meaningless without motivations, without emotions and consequences.
To those people Star Wars was just “space wizards with laser swords”, just like The Matrix was “stupid kung action with beautiful CGI” or The Lord of the Rings was just “sword fights and crazy creatures in the middle of cheap love triangles”.
I mean I'm 15 and didn't grew up with the OG Star Wars Movie, but damn the old movies make me feel nostalgic. Also Rouge One is the best new Star Wars movie, change my mind
That scene alone adds more emotional weight to Return of the Jedi than all of the nostalgia they crammed into Rise of Skywalker.
@@_Rndom Yeah, but you're also not an idiot. Rogue one is good, it's not without its faults, but you're not wrong, it's the best of the Disney Wars movies. What's sad is they could have done some great things, but didn't have a plan to actually execute.
Exactly. Star Wars is a drama first where the action is used thoughtfully to move the plot mostly (yes there were still scenes in the OT to move toys, still enjoyable)
“I’m Rey.”
“Rey who...?”
“Meesa Rey-Rey Binks.”
Out of all the comments, this one... this one is the worst.
Dorix This is an true honor
Aah yes, Jar-Jar's master plan of masking himself as someone else in order to overthrow the emperor and become the sole ruler of the galaxy. This might just redeem the sequels.
Rey-Rey binks is The most horrifying thing I’ve ever imagined and must never see the light of day.
Every time I see this joke I remind people that Palpatine is from Naboo, and it's entirely possible he loved a Gungan...in the biblical sense...
Interracial and homosexual ship ???
Grevious: *You are a bold one*
Having Rey *think* she killed Chewie was dumb. She should've used the Dark Side lighting for something good so she realizes the potential of the dark side and maybe genuinely make her consider turning.
Shows what you understand about Star Wars, smh.
@@TheSuperRatt ig im not sure what u mean
It's funny how this trilogy tries to talk about "finding your own identity" while totally failing at doing that on a meta level. Thank you for the video !
Matthieu Fouchier And it’s ironic because ultimately in the end she STEALS someone else’s identity
Agreed 100% with you.
@@patgilroy7627 or creates her own?
Shining Reflection she doesn’t. She embodied the Skywalker identity, which is technically okay, but after three movies of constant “it doesn’t matter who you are, as long as you are true to yourself” or whatever...seeing her just give up on being her own person and stop obsessing over other people was an immense let down in the story. Basically it told me the only people that matter in the universe are the Skywalkers. Which is ridiculous. I understand the logic behind it, she loved Leia... and Luke...I guess. But I would have preferred her to have ended with “Just Rey”, harking back to that scene with the festival, showing she truly owns her own identity now. That would have been a better tribute to Luke and Leia’s teachings.
It is 100% hypocritical.
Just like Rey saying she's a Jedi, after the entire movie and her training up until that point was spent saying the Jedi were fundamentally wrong in what they stood for and that they needed end with him.
Like Han Solo spending Years believing his son was unsavable, but had to be convinced to try and save him, which ultimately only proved that he was right at the time.
Snoke and Kylo were terrified of Luke joining the Resistance, yet Luke was so far removed from the force, that using it to make a projection was enough to kill him.
The qhole damn Trilogy spent its entire runtime saying stuff while doing the Complete opposite, full stop.
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Raycon earbuds, which is actually today's sponsor.."
REY-BEN
More like: “REYd shadow legends”
"I've got my headcanon ending, what's yours? "
The EU
"Somehow, Palpatine has returned" and "Hux:"I'm the spy!"
JJ.....what were you thinking?
Abrams’ obsession with the mystery box is one of the most frustrating things I have with his storytelling.
He seems to put all of his effort into the planning and buildup but gives very thought to the actual content or solution.
I mean he admitted himself that he's bad at endings.
I think the rabbit finally got out of the hat and everybody saw the hackfraud as if for the first time, but it was long cooking, since at least Lost.
THE WORST PART... or rather... HIS WORST CRIME... Was to make people think TLJ and Rian Johnson was/is any good... That's the worst. F U JJ!!!
@@VIK_1903 that's because The Last Jedi is the best movie of the sequel trilogy, and sits amongst the best of the whole saga.
nunouno001 I feel bad for his wife.... if u know what I’m sayin ! Lololol
I'm tired of the "in order to be redeemed they need to die" it's old and overdone. I wanted Ben to live and atone for his sins throughout his life. Leia gave her life for her son and him dying a few minutes later just completely disregards that sacrifice.
SillySulli not only overdone, it’s a cop out in this movie. It felt like he JJ knew he couldn’t handle a true redemption story.
Kylo Ren had to die, there was no way to end the series in this movie if he survived
How would the rest of the rebels react to this guy being seen as a good guy? After all he did?
Imagine if Hitler had lived, do you think he would ever be truly able to atone for his genocidal and mass murdering crimes or that anyone would trust him or even give him a chance
Characters who do such terrible things can't simply be truly redeemed unless you have enough time on your hands to devote hours of screentime to that journey
@@chideraalexanderdex547 This is why making the character of Georgiou (former Terran Empress) the lead for a new TV series in the Star Trek universe is so dumb and tonally awful.
Good point and agreed. Ben did not have to die. Vader, Palpatine, Snoke, Phasma and all other evil character all died. Keeping Ben alive to Atone would have actually subverted our expectations. And could could have set him up for future story arcs in the franchise. Basically becoming the Sasuke of the star wars universe. I'll add this complaint to my 100+ complaint list with this trilogy.
And then he starts making out with Rey for no reason. Ugh....
Funny coming back to the broom boy scene at the end of TLJ. While ep IX seems to be much more interested in callbacks, fan service and nostalgia for its own sake, it's like the broom boy scene looks at all of it and says _you know there's more to it, don't you?_
TLJ is not perfect but has so much heart. I'm glad we had it.
The broom boy scene is honestly my favorite ending scene of any star wars movie. The last 5 minutes of Revenge of the Sith are right up there too
Mark Hamil still needs therapy unfortunately, but uhhh
Yeah...
Man, you're right about the last name thing. Rey choosing Organa as her last name would've been meaningful and touching and a beautiful way to honor Leia.
I do however think we would have needed to see a bit more of her connection with Leia for it to feel right in the movie though. It's the kind of thing which makes sense when you consider what type of relationship they must have had off screen, but I don't think we see quite enough of it.
It wouldn’t have meant anything
The movie shouldn’t have focused on Rey
The movie should have focused on Luke: it’s his coming of age story, still going on, and it’s an official installment of a saga INTENDED to focus on his family
There’s nothing innovative about Rey being a nobody: we’ve had off shoot characters and they wanted her to be focus with no influence or overshadowing form Luke they should have made an anthology project
Finally "Rey is a Palpatine" and "Rey is a Skywalker" theories became true in the worst way posible.
I was a big fan of Rey being a Palpatine not because it made the most sense, but because it had the most story potential. How does her friends react. How does Luke and Leia respond. How does the Resistance choose to deal with her. How do Kylo Ren, General Hux, the First Order deal with that information. Do her friends and/or Resistance trust her less. Does the First Order see her as Palpatine's heir. Does Kylo Ren join forces with her, or gets pushed aside. Does Hux maybe use Rey to get rid of Kylo. If Kylo is exiled does he team up with the Resistance. Does she try to reform the First Order. Does the Resistance try to kill her. Does this revelation create a rift between Finn and Poe. The possibilities are endless.
While her being a Kenobi, or Skywalker might help to explain her as a character, being a Palpatine would drive her story and that all felt squandered by this Trilogy. J.J. didn't have anything in the mystery box, nor did he know how to develop the concept which is why he puts nostalgia in place of story and Rian Johnson was too busy trying to subvert everyone's expectations he forgot to actually continue the story.
@@ShamanMcLamie Right?! Both directors had good ideas there, they just messed up their own concepts.
Honestly, she should have stayed a nobody. For a movie series that harped on the fact that Rey was powerful despite coming from nothing, they sure did like to hyper focus on her point of origins. The story would have been so much more powerful if she weren't related to anyone within the universe of notoriety. She would have been the embodiment of her now highly contradictory statement of "anyone can be a hero". Yes indeed, anyone born to a family of known powerful force users can be a hero.
@@MuShinnen That was already done with Anakin.
@@SonicBadass All of this was already done though, so what difference would it make? This movie copied quite a bit from previous movies albeit executing them in a far worse manner.
Let's make a Kickstarter for Adam Driver's Physio Therapy after carrying this entire film on his back.
I'm in. Take my money
Seriously though, Adam Driver is probably of the highest level actors in this whole franchise.
You could make a case Kylo Ren was /the/ signal triumph of the Sequel trilogy. I'm having trouble thinking of anything else that even connects all three, much less would be a 'signal triumph'.
Charlie Dawson lmfao, Kylo was the worst part of the film. Stop lying, he was never a convincing villian or character
@@BabyGirlTiny
He literally is the other protagonist of the trilogy wtf. Kylo is the only character that showed genuine character development outside the first movie. Finn and Po got ignored after TFA, Rey just returns to her original state after every movie, Kylo actually had emotional scenes that mattered. He was never supposed to be a vader,he was always a teenage wannabe vader and adam driver's performance drove that point home really well.
Wait, did this guy just admit that he actually kinda liked The Last Jedi?
I thought I was the only one of my species
It’s definitely more interesting than the RoS
I liked it too! It was the movie that made me start liking star wars! After TROS I kinda wanted all the time I spent reading and playing stuff from the EU to understand more about the universes lore.
I like it too. As a film it beautifully shot, acting isn' too bad. As a star wars film its still better than the other two but still trash
He has a video about it: czcams.com/video/CE7SkcoyVAI/video.html
@@adityabhalekar3506 acting was really bad but ok
I didn't once, for a moment, believe Chewbacca was actually dead
I was actually mad when it happened, because all the legacy characters that they have butchered and literally killed. And then in an instant is revealed that nothing actually happened and I was even angrier for that, like you just made me feel anything for once in this movie and just render it pointless afterwards. I was regretting the money and time spent and questioning myself what is the purpose of all this nonsense? And boy they were just starting.
"I'm Rey."
"Rey who?"
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This got a damn good chuckle from me
Close, it should be Reyd
read this in the quartering voice
😂
Best one
“Grief is super easy, barely an inconvenience.” -JJ Abrams movies
Feeling grief is tight!
@@rainbowbabyblog5995 Wow wow wow!
Yeah yeah yeah!
Ryan George references everywhere lol
Avengers Endgame spends like 30+ minutes dealing with the characters grief? the grief of failing, the grief of not being there, the grief of who they've lost. And its the highest grossing movie ever, apparently, right? Blockbuster movie writing teams / directors / producers / editors / whatever going forward, you can have characters with arcs and emotions, its okay, really!
My heart goes out to Kelly Marie Tran for the abhorrent treatment she has endured from butthurt fanboys but at the same time I feel I have to voice the problems I had with the writing for her in the last scene of the Last Jedi. She stops Finn from sacrificing himself for his friends and found family and her explanation for why she basically doomed the resistance in that moment is that you should "Save what you love", that is to say, exactly what Finn was trying to do in that scene and she stopped him. It felt like an unpleasant emotional reverse gut punch where you know the sacrifice needs to happen to save everyone in the bunker only to have a character you are supposed to root for seemingly doom them all and then say a line about saving people. Narratively its all kinds of fucked up and it makes a character very easy to hate. I just wish the hatred hadn't been funneled towards an actress who didn't have a choice in the actions her character took.
Rose was a spy for first order lol
I agree that was what Finn intended to do, but Rose prevented because she knew it wouldn't work. That cannon most likely would have decimated his craft before he reached it, and even if he did reach it, his craft probably wouldn't have done that much damage. In the end, the First Order would still have broken through, and the Resistance would have lost another worthy member.
I'm not saying Finn was irrational or egotistical to try. He was determined, he was selfless, and he was very courageous to do what he did, but not even all those qualities combined would have been enough to accomplish what he set out to do.
@@nathang6376 You make a good point about the realities of war and how any noble sacrifice could simply fail, but it doesn't change what has been set up as an unwinable situation in the movie. The rebels think nobody is coming to save them and if this cannon is not destroyed then everyone is going to die anyway.
We as the audience think that Luke is still hiding on his island and so this is the one possible shot at saving the heroes, we don't want Finn to die but this is the best way someone can go out, willingly giving themselves, saving their friends and their entire cause after being called a coward for the movie this far. To have someone else suddenly sacrifice themselves only for his life and seemingly doom the rest of their allies and then drop a line about saving what you love makes me feel like an idiot for thinking Finn was right. She also doesn't say anything tangible about how durable the cannon is or how Finn would have actually failed if he continued and that is the sin that the fandom persecuted Tran for.
Not just this particular scene, why were Finn and Rose even needed in this movie. If you think about it, the whole we are running out of fuel, deactivate the tracking beacon, Canto bight nonsense achieved zilch. Remove that one hour and nothing changes whatsoever
We have no idea who the people were who were abusive to Tran -- most probably weren't fans at all. Regardless, it's absurd for an adult woman to become upset about jerks on line when all she had to do was ignore them.
Seeing the interview with John and Oscar about “They fly now” I would love to see what the actors would come up with themselves if they were all in a room together, couldn’t be worse than what we got and they actually care about the history of the franchise.
Harrison Ford to George Lucas in 1977: "George, you can type this shit, but you can't say it!"
When I watched it I felt like I was playing a video game. You have to go here to unlock this to then find out where this is and then go there. Fight some bad guys and find something which then sends us somewhere else.
A Moose That Rants this is literally exactly what I said whilst I was watching it. Would have made the story actually better cause it would have been as rushed
Just a bunch of fetch quests
Definitely! To me it was even like watching a speed run of a video game. "We have to go to this place... Here we are... Bad guys!... We found the thing but now we have to go to this other place... Here we are..."
It was like watching a shonen jump anime. Where only the (op) main character does anything, a lot of exposition from side characters, each episode visits a new town, and it has nothing to do with the actual story. Bonus for all of the "characters of the day" show up at the final battle
There are video games out there with better plots
“I’m Rey”
“Rey who?”
“Rey Uchiha, the last surviving member of the Uchiha Clan.”
Better!! That's a movie I would watch
@@carlosroo5460 nah i wouldn't
@@klauserji YOU wouldn't, you said it right
haha, really, now Rey reminds of Uchiha Shin
Ironically that Kylo Ren is a weasel (Itachi)
I think that Rey should’ve gotten progressively frustrated and emotional throughout the trilogy, that way she would’ve been convinced by Kylo that “evil is in her blood”. After that Kylo would be the good guy.
*Defines headcanon while showing a scene where Finn and Poe are interacting with each other*
I see what you did there... 😏👍
When the movie director spent all his points on agility , and none on intellect
Should be strength instead, as there is nothing finesse about this. Just BRUTE FORCE IN YOUR FACE PLOT ACTION PLOT ACTION PLOT ACTION
@@whatNtarnation90 Like an autistic screeching barbarian
Could star wars even handle a Michael bay film
@@leohawman5075 Michael bay doesn't do plot
Or strength or charm or accuracy or critical hit.
Finn (for the 3rd time): REY!! Why are you going alone??
Rey: For plot reasons, don't have time to explain.
thank you, I was frustrated so much with the characters decisions in this movie
Rey: A good question, for another time.
Because I'm a strong female character and don't need no man. So that is why Im going to take a man's name when I'm done.
That just made me think of Rey as a shitty character and friend
This was my biggest frustration probably and added to the lack of actual scenes. She jsut kept running off like an idiot.
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who"?
*Fourth wall break*
"Rey do the fucking movies"
Return of the Jedi is my head-canon ending. Add the "broom boy" scene at the end of ROTJ and I'm happy
Halfway through the big lightsaber battle in Rise of SW, I suddenly asked myself: "Why are they fighting?"
Jan Rademan same 🤦♀️
Cause if they’re not flailing laser swords at each other, is it even Star Wars?
@@Colin-kh6kp I guess that was Abrams' reasoning. Also very late period Lucas. Especially calling them laser swords (when he himself invented them and they're clearly not laser).
😂
one of the tropes of star wars is that when a character with a red saber meets a character with a non-red saber, battle ensues
When Kylo Ren got out of the ship and was running to save Rey, his outfit made me think we just missed a whole episode of Ben Alone.
Solo, you mean solo
Well considering he made the entire trip in a non-hyperdrive equiped Tie-Fighter there is clearly some time bending scenanigans involved for him to be there.
Pretty sure first order TIEs have hyperdrives, and that such was established back in TFA
@@davidlfort But it is not a order Tie fighter. You can see it in the background as Kylo is running for the temple, sitting next to Rey's X-Wing and it is a regular old Tie fighter from the original trilogy, likely one he found in the wreckage of the Death Star. The very same model established in, I think it is episode 4, to not have hyperdrives.
@@TheTriforceDragon i think one of the main theories going around right now is that kylo ren took either an inquisitor's or an imperial guard's tie, both of which would have hyperdrives (well, the imperial guard one isn't confirmed, but an inquisitor tie definitely has a hyperdrive)
Now this, this is good criticism of this movie! I’m so tired of criticism of this movie and these sequels that boils down to “I just don’t like it!”/“It’s not the same!”, etc. etc. There are legitimate plot, storytelling, directing, and other failings that deserve to be discussed in good faith, but most of the criticism has been in such bad faith, sometimes with undercurrents of sexism, racism, and other bigotry and loads of double standards. How the sequels proceeded clearly reflects bowing to the loudest and most vitriolic, bad-faith criticism, but it still never appeased those criticizers and only served to disappoint and confuse those who actually liked them. Thank you for this video!
Ah, yes, the classic "criticism is only valid from people who like TLJ" part of the comments section 🙄
@@pfeilspitze Ah, yes, the classic person so mad about TLJ after all these years that you get pissy in a 2+-year-old comment NOT EVEN ABOUT TLJ SPECIFICALLY and completely misread a comment in a way that aligns with your victimhood nonsense over a space opera. Sad you don’t have anything better to do that give someone a notification on an old as hell comment bc you felt personally attacked because you misread “most” as “all.” Please go ahead and waste your time crying in another comment or whatever to have your big, bad last word. 👋
My biggest issue with Rose was how she "fell in love" so quickly. It felt like a cheap attempt at romance.
“I'm Rey.”
“Rey who?”
“Rey Martha-”
“WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!”
It’s her mother’s name!
That’s canon now, and I’ll never accept otherwise.
Thank you I love snorting hot tea out of my nose.
full name- Rey Martha Dumbledore
Finn: "REY! REY! REY! REY! REY!"
Rey: *ignores him*
Finn: *sigh* "Rey Skywalker."
Rey: "Yes?"
*sigh* "Do you copy Carlos Spicy Weenier?"
Damn that hurt
i disagree about rose making finn a resistance fighter, since he was already one and had all the motivation in episode 7.
His motivation in Episode 7 was either saving himself or saving Rey. The only reason he helped to take down Starkiller Base was to save Rey, someone who treated him as an actual person. He wasn't in it for the Resistance.
Only one issue:
Khan was a eugenics warlord, and they most definitely knew EXACTLY who Khan was. It’d be like you meeting Ghentis Khan, Hitler, Alexander the Great, Churchill, or Stalin, after hearing they had just vanished at the end of their wars.
The moment they were told who he was, they got the same impact fans would have.
Except that they most certainly wouldn't know who he was just from the name Khan.
Case in point: "Space Seed"
Questioned by Kirk in sickbay, he tells the captain, "Khan is my name."
"Khan? Nothing else?"
"Khan."
Khan is an extremely common name in certain Muslim countries, and one of the most common surnames on the planet, with over 24,000,000 people possessing the name.
Certainly the name Khan Noonien Soongh would have alerted Kirk of his true identity, but the name 'Khan' by itself would suggest a dictator no more than the name Kim. To identify Kim as the name of a tyrant, it has to be written Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il. The crew of the Enterprise didn't know who Khan was until Spock checked the history banks.
So no, they would not know exactly who he was simply from a common last name. They did not in "Space Seed," so there's no reason to believe they would in "Into Darkness." Khan used his first name precisely because it granted him the anonymity he desired.
@@benjaminfitzgerald7011 Would that make it equivalent to saying "I'm Adolf"? Yeah, there is one famous guy attached to the name but it could be another guy because the name is common?
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Yeah, pretty much. Or like the name Joseph. If you say "Stalin," everyone will know who you are. But Joseph is extremely common.
Khan's surname is even more common that his given name. He could have said, "Singh is my name" and it would have granted him the same anonymity as Khan.
But he meets Khan in de show. Where he is older. So... how could young Spock and Kirk know about the guy they will meet in the future?
Makes no sense. If anything, he should have mentioned his name more casually and not like he's revealing the new Tesla.
My biggest problem is with the film is that none of the characters make choices and they just kind of stumble into convenient things.
Um, Kylo Ren makes a choice to turn back to the light. Rey makes a choice to reject her lineage and become someone else instead of a nobody, or the pawn of Palpatine, Finn makes the choice to fight for something instead of running away... but no, some fan-wankers didn't get their fan-fic or theory put into the movie so the whole thing sucks
@@Rodshark75 I would classify those choices as just more plot, instead of what the OP meant by "choices" - specific decisions motivated by circumstance and who the characters are as people, that have lasting consequences. The vid mentions Rey blowing up the ship that supposedly had Chewy on it. This scene had no real impact on anything - it didn't tangibly affect anyone's behavior after, and Chewy didn't really die because, conveniently, he was on another ship.
Rodshark75 Everything you said was foreshadowed hard asl in the previous movies of this trilogy and Finn was fighting for Rey for the most of it he even put the whole galaxy in jeopardy because of her
I mean, that's not necessarily a bad thing, per se. You can get a lot of great character development and insight by seeing how they react, and try to respond to, being swept up in events they can't control.
But, of course, it's on par with the Sequels Trilogy to completely mess that up.
"No scenes, just plot."
I want that on a T-shirt.
Joshua Fagan nice
because that describes your life? 😂
He is wrong. They are not plot, they are mystery boxes pretending to be plot. Plot would be the answer to why Luke Skywalker is gone.... The real answer actually was "doesnt matter"... so no thats not plot. Thats just directionless goblygoo... Print that on the T-shirt.
@@TheCultureCommentary Yes.
It's the opposite: he has in his mind certain scenes he wants to shoot, and everything that happens is in service of those scenes. But there's no story... or, in other words, no "plot."
No plot, just scenes.
"No meaning, only lore"
There is a lot that is good about this video, but I think my favorite has to be how you pointed out that Rey taking on the name Organa makes so much more sense, if they weren't so busy pandering to nostalgia with fanservice. So much of the fanservice in this film pulled me out of the story that it was hard to appreciate even the small amount of the film that I would have otherwise been okay with.
people wondered why Chewbaka never got a medal? I was always wondering why Lea was handing out medals instead of getting one herself. There is even a scene in the original trilogy where Yoda states that this is her fight too. She goes along on this adventure and ends up getting no parade or medal, no she gets to be Hans additional trophy...
First half of Rise made me think it was what happens when you edit out all the gameplay from a videogame and try to make a film of the cutscenes.
Sebastian Applewhite the first half happened so fast I actually can’t even remember scenes or dialogue other than small little flashes or frames. But I remember the Lighstaber duel. The Palpatine scene. The Star destroyers vs Resistance. All of the second half. I do however remember sitting there in the theatre and honestly thinking “Okay wtf is even happening this is way too fast and jumpy”
Yes! I agree the first half was kinda boring and jaring
That´s exactly it. I actually had the same thought while watching the movie.
TBH, KOTR is better than TROS.
“Who are you?”
“Rey”
“Rey who?”
REYD SHADOW LEGENDS IS AN AMAZING RPG GAM-
Who are you? A slap to Rian's face and a cash grab.
How did that work out? Well ... LOL
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 huh
@@ultrabigfella The who are you is from the old woman at the end of TROS. I am imagining Rey responds: "A slap to Rian ..."
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 ah...funny?
@@ultrabigfella
JJ: Sancuary, if one is to understand “the great mystery box” one must study all it's aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of Johnson or Trevorrow. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view ... of the nostalgia.
It speaks volumes that Abrams sat in silence as the entire cast of his movie roasted it in front of the entire world
the most tragic thing about this movie is that i really love both tfa and tlj, like they are my most favorite movies of all time, and this one literally just destroyed everything the first two built up to
Oh my gosh thank you for acknowledging Leia’s actual last name. I’m so sick of people acting like the Organa family is nothing.
They are hypocitical, they said Rey is a true Skywalker, because blood does not matter. But when it comes to Leia, she is a Skywalker, not an Organa, BecAuSe BLooD MatTerS.
REY: I’m Rey
Random: Rey who
Rey: Rey Skywalker
Random: ah your related to darth Vader please don’t hurt me
Rey: No my name supposed to bring hope
Random: it doesn’t I’m sorry, what’s your real name
Rey: Rey palpertine
Random: u should just call yourself Rey
Random: u should just call yourself Rey. Also, you're alone aren't you?
Rey: What of it?
Random: That means your last name is Solo, and you kissed your half-brother.
Rey: NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I like the absurdity of HISHE's twist on that part
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Reeey....venge of the sith, muahahaha"
The "no scenes, just plot" thing is exactly one of the reasons why I think TLJ is the best sequel movie. I get it, TLJ has flaws, some of which do annoy me a bit, but at _least_ it has some really good character moments.
it got a 'yo mama' joke, imagine if Gandalf did that to Sauron what a shitshow LOTR would've been.
I don't know about the Finn and Poe thing, it looked like an ordinary brothers in arms bond to me. But like alot of other people i felt like even the kiss between Rey and Kylo came out of left field. Maybe establishing romantic chemistry also isn't JJ's strenght.
So any JJ Abrams essay can be subtitled: "How JJ Abrams Doesn't Trust His Audience."
Correct.