The Rise of Skywalker - Look What You Have Made
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- Get your dislike-clicking hand ready for a complaint-opera about Star Wars, a series that needs more people expressing opinions about it. Spoiler: it's all your fault
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Peer Gynt - Suite No. 1, Op. 46 - III Anitra's Dream
Czech National Symphony Orchestra
Gustav Holst - The Planets Suite: Mars, The Bringer of War
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Gustav Holst - The Planets Suite: Mars, The Bringer of Peace
U.S. Air Force Band
Gustav Holst - The Planets Suite: Neptune, The Mystic
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Peer Gynt - Suite No. 1, Op. 46 - II Aase's Death
Czech National Symphony Orchestra
Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker Suite - Act II No.12. Pas de Deux
Gymnopedie no1 - Erik Satie
Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker, Op. 71 - Act 2 Character Dances (Divertissement) Tea (Chinese Dance)
Gustav Holst - The Planets Suite: Uranus, The Magician
U.S. Air Force Band
Gustav Holst - The Planets Suite: Jupiter, The Bringer of Jollity
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Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker, Op. 71 - Act 2 Character Dances (Divertissement) Coffee (Arabian Dance)
0:00 Intro
0:18 The Rise of Nostalgia
3:29 The Lucas treatments
4:44 Let The Last Jedi die killitifyouhaveto
12:06 Positives
13:50 The characters
18:59 The fetch quest
29:20 Duel of The Fates
35:18 These are movies now - Hry
I think the rise of skywalker was bad because it lacked gyro controls. Maybe those storm troopers could hit their targets if they weren’t using stick aiming
That wouldn’t help anyway because they still didn’t know which way is “up”.
@@Borti_Ovi that was probably the silliest part of the movie
Keyboard and mouse is Aways the answer, even If It is a 2D sidecroller that hás Nothing to do with shooting
The Dark side disapproves of pointless Wagle
Not even the power of the AMD brick could make up for the unprecise stick aiming.
Can't wait for the next trilogy, when Palpatine builds a million death stars but the rebels destroy the antenna so the Death Stars forget to not shoot each other.
There probably won't be any more trilogies. After all the crap Lucasfilm has gotten from both the prequel and sequel trilogies, I'd be surprised if they *ever* tried it again. And even if they did, it would probably be nothing like the sequels. After all, Lucasfilm took the criticism of the prequels *very* seriously when they made The Force Awakens. They will likely be just as keen on avoiding the criticisms that the sequels encountered, if they ever decide to make an "Episode X."
You all SERIOUSLY underestimate Lucasfilm's ability adapt.
I see this comment in the future on some star wars meme side, naming you the prophet.
Star Wars Episode XII: The Winter Soldier
@@MrFreakshowhost 😂😂😂
Fans will tear the poor writing apart but others will praise it for how good a million Death Stars exploding at once looked
This video has aged incredibly well after Book of Boba Fett basically did everything you warned the franchise will do.
I have not seen that, can you elaborate on what it did?
@@_CNT_ It had very little in terms of actual plot. They pretty much didnt make a single new character of any significance, and relied on characters we knew. We got 2 whole mando episodes, with no boba fett whatsoever, and luke and ahsoka, which was totally unnecessary and completely undid all of Mandalorian s2, and people now need to watch bobf to before mando s3 comes out. All of that just so people could see a bit of grogu. The villians were pathetic shells, who did basically nothing villainous, and we were just expected to know they were villains because they were in other shows and films. And yet most people say they liked it, because they ignore the bad script, bad story and overall bad character development because of "ooh look, grogu and luke", and they cannot imagine that anything Jon Favreau or Dave Filoni do can possibly be bad, and they cant blame it on disney or kathleen kennedy.
@@frankieseaman6614 I personally got a little tired of Grogu, but there was some pretty good character dev in Boba with the Sand People I guess you are ignoring, also Grogu forgoing the way of the Jedi was actually refreshing and more relatable because humans, the creatures actually watching this, typically don't *aspire* to be disconnected stoic monks that keep their distance while world around them burns, they just accidentally appear that way because they are weak and apathetic. Boba found something in the Sand People that he had been lacking before, a sense of belonging and family, which contrasts with his path before his redemption ark which was chasing his "father's/clonedad's" ghost, and when that was taken from him he sought to build it himself. Favreau isn't innocent of doing callbacks obviously it is his bread and butter and clearly his experiences with building around cinematic universe became evident with his Star Wars work. I think he did a fantastic job fleshing out some of the things that are just brushed over in the other live action pieces like spice trade, the nature of the underworld, and bounty hunters. Boba Fett wasn't about good guys and villains so much as it was about Boba's redemption, but I really, reallllly reaally really would have liked to see more of a role for Cad Bane than just a cameo, there was a lot there to be explored that simply died. The original score ideas were also huge, love the music in it. I also agree that he should have saved a lot of the Mando content for S3 and put more work in with Boba's character. Ultimately in comparison to almost every live action thing to come out in the Star Wars franchise since Return of the Jedi he breathed some much needed life into it. After watching Boba Fett, Obi-Wan just....seems....
I also disagree with Nerrel's characterization of Bo Katan and Ahsoka Tano merely being wookieepedia name drops, I guess he has never seen the Clone Wars animated series, too low brow for him lol. Bo Katan in particular is incredibly important to the Mandalorian's story, and it was shameful IMO for Favreau to gloss over that and the story of Death Watch, which I assume is what these little cells of Mandos are that Din Djarin is a part of, though they never had qualms about taking off their helmet in the animated series, so that was weird. I am assuming he is finally going get into it in Season 3 now that Din has been exiled but still has the Dark Saber.
@@SlightlyPwnish You are right, but I think the whole way they set up the past and present story was not well done. I think, while it was well done, the sand people storyline probably could have been done in another piece of media, like an animation or comic or short story. Having it intertwined with the present day story only bogged the present story down, as it had very little time to do anything, which I think shows, and even less time as 2 episodes were taken up by Mando. Most of Bobas redemption and development happened in the sand people episodes, so it seems they werent really sure what his role was in the present day, so he didnt really... do much. That meant the ending didnt feel like there was much at stake. Thats maybe why they put in cad bane, just to get people excited. Maybe they wanted to do just Boba and the sand people, but they realised that it probably wouldnt be that popular, so they had to add more to make it more "exciting".
@@frankieseaman6614 They might have done better with a standard 10 episode season format instead of 8 or 7, and that might be Disney's fault because the pacing in Boba was definitely rushed.
"Chewbaca, your father is. Maclunky" -Yoda
brought tears to my eyes
maclunkey*
It is pretty funny that the Terminator series has a trilogy of failed trilogies.
There's 6 total Terminator movies though. But 1 & 2 are fantastic.
@@booski1865 yeah but salvation was supposed to be the start of a new trilogy, so was genisys and dark fate
@@lordgazimus5662 You are cringe.
@@lordgazimus5662 Only cringy edgylords describe movies as "feminazi propaganda"
@@lordgazimus5662 man, such a nostalgia trip seeing a guy unironically use the term "feminazi" in a conversation outside actual neonazi forums
*The Star Wars Original Trilogy:* When you have a vision, but barely the resources and leeway to bring it to life.
*The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy:* When you have a vision, but too much leeway and resources to do what you want.
*The Sequel Star Wars Trilogy:* When you have no vision, no plan, but unlimited resources, and decide to play mad libs with it.
@Soller Yup
@Soller
I think that makes the Prequels fun, it was mostly green screen which created a futuristic world contrast to the realistic, practical world in the OT. The CGs also make that world more modern and in OT everything is pretty much garbage/rusty (also a reason adding CGs aside from Boba and Jabba in the Special Edition somewhat ruined the atmosphere of the OT)
@@mailman7 the prequels are meh
@@jarrodedson5441
Don't you dare disrespect the greatest movie ever made, Revenge of The Sith but yeah, the Prequels are abit "meh"
@Soller prequels had much more models than originals.
Imagine being 10 years old and not being in on the old Star Wars references. All the nostalgia baiting does nothing for you because you are in your childhood years and don't know what nostalgia is yet. Imagine how utterly weird and incomprehensible the sequel trilogy is from that perspective. t makes perfect sense for a young kid to ask "This is Star Wars? What's the big deal?"
I know someone who has only seen the sequel trilogy and to him its just a confusing mess
I don’t think it was a problem with 8 and 9. You’d definitely get more out of it if you saw the other movies, but they had fun new characters with their own problems that stand on their own. And each of the old characters were there to serve the new ones, and their importance was made pretty clear.
It pains me to say but I totally understand now why George Lucas had the idea to take episodes 4-6 and add 90s special effects through the special editions. It enabled the movies to look more modern (at the time) so that the younger audiences going into the prequels wouldn't feel as much of a barrier watching movies that have aged. However, now, in the 2020s, the 90s CGI that remains in the most accessible versions of those movies has aged worse than the practical effects from the original 70s and 80s versions, muddying the appeal of those original films to newer generations who lack nostalgia.
I was born during the prequel trilogy era, and for sure being 6yrs old I understood very little of any reference to the original trilogy of films. Hell, I didn't realize it they were prequels and was confused why Darth Vader dies in the older movies but is suddenly created in the one that just came out. I've always loved those movies despite the reception they got, they were just exciting and fun and now as an adult I can appreciate and understand how they truly stack up to the og movies. The prequels are incredibly flawed by Lucas told an interesting and well connected story that fits in well with his original story. The sequels are just a disjointed mess, and even my way younger siblings could see that.
Force awakens was the first Star Wars movie I saw and I thought it sucked
The first time I listened to this to this, some guy tried to rob me with his truck.
I was biking home late at night.
While going down a dark street, a guy in a truck rolled up to me and intentionally bumped me with his truck. When rode away in fear, he drove after me, saying he'd let me go if I dropped everything I had.
I did two laps around that block, unable to leave because the truck was faster, him unable to get me because the cars and snow blocked further attacks.
Eventually he gave up and drove off and the cops showed up soon after.
Anyway, I'll always associate this video with that moment in my life.
8/10, came back to rewatch and drop a like 2 years later.
what the fuck
Damn, that sounds scary. Glad you survived that!
Nerrel: "Even Steven Spielberg had a hard time getting Lincoln in theaters."
John Wilkes Booth: "I got Lincoln in the theater on my first try!"
you're going to hell for this LMAO
This is dark humor done correctly, not just screaming slurs and laughing at people who are offended.
Too soon dude! Too soon!
@@WarlockX4 It's been 155 years.
I literally had to put my phone down and walk around after reading this. I've been Boothed
'This is the second time in some 30 years that the people of Cloud City have celebrated Palpatine's death.'
Amazing.
"Grandpa, why aren't you going to celebrate?"
"I've already done my celebrating. He came back once, he can come back twice."
That's why I think reviving characters is so risky. The more you do it, evn if you do it once, the less death means. The dragon ball effect
@@randomusername1735 It's already troublesome when death is only used for shock value and nothing is really lost. Now imagine when that death is not only meaningless, but also a character's short vacation into the afterlife before getting back up.
I thought that planet on RoS was Lothal, from Star Wars Rebels
When Disney bought Lucasfilm, everyone was so excited! We were all asking "What is Star Wars going to be going forward? What can it be?" And then Last Jedi happened. And then the dumb Last Jedi backlash happened. And then RoS gave us our answer: What can Star Wars be? It can't be anything other than the exact same thing it's always been. That's so profoundly depressing. Who actually wants to watch the exact same shit happening over and over and over and over? I swear to God, whenever they make Episode X (and they will. this is very valuable IP) if there is one single person on Reddit talking about how Jira (or whoever) is actually a Kenobi, I'm gonna be pissed.
That part about jingling keys for the fans aged remarkably well when the fanbase perked up for uncanny CGI Mark Hamill and Ahsoka sharing the spotlight in the Book of Boba Fett, away from Boba Fett himself.
The fact that it works is so disappointing
No, we werent perked up like dogs. We were smiling because we were being apologized to.
The Last Jedi (and also the force awakens) was a chance after 35 years of waiting to see Luke as a jedi master. To see our perpetual underdog now a real warrior. We didnt get to see him kick any ass. At all. And then the mandlorian season 2 just shows us a little bit of that. Gives us a taste of what we thought we were gonna get.
I dont think anybody expected Luke to survive the sequel trilogy, or expected him to be this perfect hero who just solves the problems and renders the new characters obsolete. No. But Luke was a legend. And we wanted to see a bit of that.
But fuck us right? Were so immature. Were whats wrong with the franchise.
@@user-br4vx2xq6hyou literally just described what Nerell said fans were crying for in the video.
tldw. @@ThatWolfArrow
@@ThatWolfArrowI appreciate Nerell's perspective, but I think it's wrong to take sides on this. You can both appreciate some of the interesting ideas Johnson had for the force, while also understanding how combative the filmmakers were with old-time fans. I think it's lazy and arrogant to boil all criticism of The Last Jedi and all praise for what you see as fanservice down to "The masses are sheep that just want to be fed the same BS over and over until the end of time."
“Nostalgia can’t paper over a movie failing its characters” is probably the best sum-up of the sequel trilogy I’ve ever heard.
Episode 7 and 9, yeah.
I read somewhere that Abrams originally wanted to make one movie and the studio wanted three.
That could be an inaccurate claim, but if that’s in fact the case then it sounds like the director of the first film in the sequel trilogy and the studio funding it had conflicting visions.
MACLUNKEY
omg schaff watches nerrel
did you ever watch his review of the last jedi? anything about it you disagree on?
You should do an edit of Nerrels voice talking about something random like you did with Mathewmitosis and Scott the wiz
The King!
M
"this is how cinema dies, with thunderous applause", truly words to be afraid here.
Do not applause,
stop it now
I CLAPPED
I blame those darn seagulls!
@@Donutgames00 veeeerry cool
the dark side is very strong with Disney
@@Donutgames00 I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!
Frankly, I think ANY other resolution to the "Rey's parentage" plotline other than being a nobody would've been insincere.
TFA was written without the endgoal in mind and just disigenuously set up the mystery box, so if TLJ actually had name-dropped a familiar character it would've just been picking a name off a list, instead of resolving a pureposefully crafted mystery.
Part of the problem is that JJ Abrams is good at setting up mystery boxes, but not so good at answering them. Rian Johnson basically had to tackle Abrams mystery boxes and his own Episode's crap at the same time. There's also speculation that, contrary to popular belief, he was not given the carte blanche on TLJ, that his film had more studio interference than he's willing to admit.
@@SirBlackReeds he's good at character banter too (except for "they fly now" rubbish)
But on the whole he has zero clue how to end his movies and shows.
See the Star Trek reboot, "super 8" "Lost" and "Alias" for prime examples.
@@hansakkerman2611 what is the problem with they fly now? I never got this. It was the first time they saw First Order troopers use jet packs (likewise for the audience) and it's a standard silly reaction banter gag. I remember people in the cinema laughed at the line
If anything doesn't make sense it's the speeders with tracks, but even then it can be explained by needing something stable to launch off of (and they look cool)
I think Rey’s parents should have never been presented as a mystery and her story in the first movie should have just been “Girl can’t leave this planet because I’m waiting for her parents to come back. Then finds proof her parents don’t give a damn about her which allows her to commit to the rebellion.”
@@hansakkerman2611 i was not aware that the same person who ended lost worked on this trilogy, how poetic.
George Lucas was incredibly flawed in many ways but I've always appreciated the fact that he was always doing what he wanted to do and regardless of what others say I've always appreciated his political commentary
Or is he?
I mean that's not really entirely true about him. Carrie Fisher have said that they wrote Leia as a more 'traditional woman' in Return of the Jedi due to massive backlash from fans.
you can also see how Jar Jar Binks' screentime and dialogue was radically reduced in the Attack of the clones and especially in Revenge of the Sith.
Yes, but whilst I don’t like the prequels besides episode 3 I respected the world building and details
Lucas is alot like Kanye. people say they miss the old Kanye or original trilogies but when you step back you notice every album and movie is completely innovative and different. You see the genius.
Just like Tolkien, he loved the universe he created. But he lacked the skills to show it.
Even in the concept art it shows Finn screaming Rey lmaoo
The poor look on John Boyega's face when he got that script lmfao
@@maagic2031 his script wasn't stolen, he probably threw it in the trash
lol
My new head canon is that Ochi accidentally sent a copy of the Death Star plans to the rebel alliance.
*O C H I*
*T H E J E D I H U N T E R*
I know he said that in the video but I really want Ochi a Star Wars story being a Disney plus series following his fumbles throughout Star Wars
@@joshwhite5730 "Eheheh, Ochi, I want you to send our best soldiers to protect the ray shield generator on Endor!"
"Send our newest recruits? Got it boss!"
@@joshwhite5730 Dude if you weren't kidding, go and read the Star Wars comics. Specificaly the Vader run of 2020 and War of the Bounty Hunters. Ochi is there and, unironically, he is fucking amazing
@Nmjjmn “ hey ochi make sure to make the Death Star completely indestructible” “ why would I put a hole where if you shot it the whole thing will blow up I quests I’ll add it if you really want me to
I always really liked Rey parents being nobody it was such a gut punch because you can relate to it whether you outwardly admit it you understand that feeling that maybe you are nobody special or at least whereby born to be
I remember people would ask me after Force Awakens “who do you think her parents are” and I would always say “Nobody. That’s way more interesting.” It’d be great if she was just a person, like Jayden Korr. I’m much more of a fan of Force-sensitives spread throughout the galaxy rather than having the space royals.
The idea of Palpatine getting it on is pretty gross.
It's a little better if he jizzed in a cup or had it extracted, but not enough to count.
I can't stand any of it. It stinks of fanservice but like...did people really want THAT?!
I liked nothing about Rey from the start it all felt so much more fake and I couldn’t take the force awakens as a serious movie hated the last Jedi and didn’t make it through the last one
Agree. It was definitely done a bit better in Blade Runner 2049 IMO, but VIII was an admirable attempt.
@@randomdude189 I lost interest with the Force Awakens but Finn getting written out as the protag bothered me. I enjoyed parts of Last Jedi, but that script also mitigated and decimated the person that was the more interesting protag anyways. Rey could've been good, too. All in all, this whole series was mishandled from start to finish.
Hearing about Lucas’s original idea for the sequel trilogy reminds me of how frustrating the prequels are.
George is a great big picture guy, let him handle that. Do the first draft, then turn it over to better writers and a good director. Keep Lucas around as a producer. Coulda be amazing.
Basically the way Empire was handled is how the prequels and the sequels should have been handled.
facts
@@rsotuyo8180 from what I heard, Lucas didn’t really want to direct the sequels. But for some reason he had to or else they wouldn’t get made.
Edit: Prequels
@@nicodemusedwards6931 I mean some of his ideas got carried
@@nicodemusedwards6931 Yeah he tried to get Ron Howard as a director and I think maybe some other of his old director friends. I saw a brilliant comment somewhere that he should've gotten young up and coming directors instead and it angers me because that's totally what should have happened.
100% agreed.
That 86% audience score has been "stuck" on 86% since the movie came out. Thousands of reviews later and not one single fluctuation in the audience score.
yeah, it was a scam by Rotten Tomato, welcome to disney access journalism and pushing some buttons. On any other aggregator, TROS is in the garbage sector.
Keep in mind this is a super high budget movie with a pg rating, backed by one of the most valued entertainment companies using one of the most recognizable brands.
Yet the movie joker, R rated, rather niche in comparison in terms of subject matter and target audience
made more money than TROS.
Thanks Kathleen/Chris/JJ...
@@SquatsAndOats2plate I agree.
yeah those one line positive 'reviews' felt like a lot of them could perfectly be bots...
@@Yarblocosifilitico true.
@@SquatsAndOats2plate Hey give some credit for sinking the franchise to Rian too, this was a team effort.
"No, Chewbacca, your father is"
- Yoda
Lol
Padme had some "Beauty and the Beast" thing going on for her
oh ok fine she likes furries
You forgot Maclunkey
"Nooooooooooooo!!!"
-Luke
"Cucked, Vader was"
- Yoda
While I wasn't a huge fan of The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker; I really liked the idea of Rey being a nobody with no relation to any other characters. I just liked the idea of her being somebody that ended up in the right place in the right time. It'd have been a nice change from the previous "pre-destined for greatness"
Agreed. I disagreed with the direction that Last Jedi was going in, but I respect what Rian Johnson was trying to do, even if we had different versions of the story in our heads
I am still surprised when I hear people going on tirades over Last Jedi and none of their ire is directed towards JJ or the lack of setup in The Force Awakens.
The Force Awakens was fool’s gold but the sequels were still somewhat salvagable at that point.
@@Bingo_the_Pug EXACTLY. A New Hope isn't exactly 10/10 when I remove the nostalgia filter, but it grew into a masterpiece with its sequels. TFA had a chance to be saved and instead Rian Johnson subverted our expectations of a good trilogy.
@@TheDisgruntledImperial Rian Johnson subverted our expectations to give us a chance at a good trilogy. Rise of Skywalker deciding to ignore The Last Jedi is what ruined the trilogy.
@@immortalfrieza Ew. No. TFA fucked up right from the start with the ridiculous amount of conveniences to make the plot happen, along with making the OT completely pointless by just bringing back the Empire, stronger than ever for whatever reason.
And TLJ fucked it even further in different ways with plot holes, amazingly large lore breaking shit, making everyone an idiot that constantly do things that make no sense, and ending it off like a victory when they barely had anyone left. This movie has some of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen in anything.
@@kelp7060 Found the MauLer fanboy.
I was born in 2001. Aside from spongebob and a couple failed cartoons, my entire childhood WAS reboots of my parents' childhoods.
Your parents were no one.
I’m so glad my parents raised me on the original movies and shows they watched.
My half sister and half brother (4 and 2) are watching these godawful remakes and pandering bullshit movies. Genuinely hate everything they watch.
I'm glad I watched the originals first I know when I have children I will make sure they will see the originals first
Didn’t you watch cartoons like Adventure Time or The Last Airbender?
Like what cartoons are you talking about?
The Palpatine thing just made me realize: if they'd made Rise of Skywalker 20 years earlier they'd probably have found a way to shoehorn in Alec Guinness to come back and play Obi-Wan for no reason.
They actually wanted to use Obi-Wan more in the story but since Alec Guinness had passed and it wasn’t cool to like or reference the Prequels yet they decided to not use him at all.
They did do it about 20 years ago. Same Palpatine resurrection, same plan of using a bunch of ships instead of one big ship, wants to use the skywalker to further his resurrection, one of the skywalker is evil but goes back to good, hell we even see Leia’s lightsaber in the comic.
So is Mace Windu alive
@@creed8712 I seriously wonder what weed Jar Jar Abrams was smoking when he thought ripping off the entirety of Dark Empire was a good idea
Wow. This is easily the best video I've ever watched on Star Wars. That last 5 minutes was the hardest hitting and most fantastically put message I've ever watched on CZcams. Thank you.
mandalorian season 1 was going in such a great direction… then season 2 decided that we have to have an established character in every single episode
That is what Nerrel gets wrong: Why can't we have older characters go in different directions? Directions that match where the character would be as opposed to Luke Skywalker in TLJ who became unrecognisable. Star Wars is rich with characters so it should make sense to hear or stumble upon a few who made a name for themselves.
@@dadocta5168Luke Skywalker in TLJ is very well written.
@@internetguy7319 In the movie itself he is fine, as an exstension of the character "Luke Skywalker" form the original trilogy, it makes very little sense how he fell that low.
@@yagokain4189No it doesn't, it makes total sense with his character from. The OT. It practically parallels old OT.
@@aureateseigneur5317It makes sense for Luke to throw away everything and go into hinding after he fails once despite failing multiple times and then trying again in the OT ? It makes sense for him to give up on Ben after he saved Vader ? It makes sense for him to give up on his friends and let them fight a losing battle and die in the process when in the original he was always there for them and went out of his way to save them multiple times ? We must not have watched the same OT.
The garbage truck gag has more consistently than the star wars franchise
I love when he jingles the familiar garbage truck gag in front of my face like a shiny set of keys.
@@CarlMakesVideos LMAO
*Consistency
@@CarlMakesVideos And if he were to ever abandon this gag in favor of trying out a new joke, I’d probably get really angry and unsubscribe 😡
Crunchy... Crunchy... NO... Chewbacca is Luke’s Father... McClunkey! By the way... His Name is C3PO... and... He Remembers EVERYTHING... Because the sequels have the continuity of Paul W.S. Anderson’s Resident Evil!
I feel like this guy has an ultimate gift to create the most clickable thumbnails
Well, I didn’t watch his majoras mask 3D video for like a full year because of the thumbnail
@@corbinsteile9470 but you still watched it because the algorithm broke.
not only that but his videos are really nice to watch any time of the day
i swear i used to sub to this guy because he did textures, and now he's a commentary youtuber? i missed something but i'm here for it
@@sklemzforever he was updating his LoZ Majora's Mask N64 HD texture pack mods.
But he finished it! His discord and patreon show what he is currently working on though, as well as a good place to obtain steps on how to install them. :D
The whole "voting with your wallet" bit towards the end is spot on. It doesn't matter what you want as long as you keep paying for it.
"Voting with your wallet" doesn't work. The people like us that actually bother to go up and watch and comment on videos like this are a tiny microscopic minority. "Fans" are not what movies like Rise of Skywalker are made for, it's the lowest common denominator which outnumber people like us by several orders of magnitude. We are not the target audience, they are, that's why crap like this came into existence in the first place.
@@immortalfrieza What does "people like us" even mean? Fans? People who read the novels and comics? People who watch the shows? Sounds to me like you're taking a shit at "casuals" (i.e. people who are criminally guilty of only watching the Star Wars movies) being pandered to somehow, while "us", the "true fans" are left thirsty for good Star Wars. I thin you're missing the mark a bit
@@moscanaveia "Casuals" are the issue yes. By definition casuals are people who just pick up any random shiny thing X industry pulls out that grabs their attention and then moves on to the next shiny thing without giving the last a thought. The people who don't know or don't care that they're being fed subpar lazy entertainment. That's who these vultures are interested in catering to. It's why these industries pull the crap that they do and think they can get away with, because they've got this endless wellspring of casuals ensuring that they DO get away with it.
If you watch any of the Star Wars movies and actually give a shit about Star Wars? You aren't a casual.
@@moscanaveia Nah, he's right. The majority are made of people who don't give a shit about good writing.
@@kelp7060 You all think you're great movie critics because you watched Mister Plinkett. You're not. You're just nerds with access to a computer.
I hated The Force Awakens from the very beginning. It was EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what I envisioned when I heard Disney bought Star Wars and JJ was directing the first film in the new trilogy. So I wasn't shocked, but I didn't care about the movie. I was bored. And you described my exact feelings: the prequels were about the fall of democracy, the OT was about reclaiming it, and the natural evolution of the story would suggest the sequels would be about rebuilding democracy. That's what it should have been, and I always believed that. JJ really effed this trilogy from the start. Side note, used to hate TLJ, now I don't. It was about the best we could've gotten based on what JJ set up
Yeah, I think newcomers such as Snoke, Kylo (+ Knights of Ren), General Hux, Finn (should be called Fynn), Poe, Captain Phasma, Rey, Rose Tico, Jannah just to name a few should've been enough, we don't need veterans from 6 sets of trilogies.
People say TFA is the good one but it is honestly the worst one because it doomed the trilogy from the start. It undoes the achievements and conclusion of the OT.
People also blast TLJ for ruining luke but honestly TFA did. Why is he even missing in the first place? He is not the kind of guy to go missing. Its not like obi or yoda who went into hiding so they could survive long enough to train ani’s children
they could've embraced being a shameless clone of the originals instead of giving up. 7 and 9 did it.
@@fish3443 that's just a terrible excuse, how are you going to rectify Luke's character in 8? 7 (the shameless clone) set him up in a way that doesn't make sense for the Luke we see at the end of the OT. Ignoring things like this is why the sequels are so bad and confusing, just turn your brain off and watch the dumb spectacle..
True
How dare you imply that the Attack of the Clones would've been better off with less Dexter Jettster.
Best thing in the movie.
@@coreyander286 Maclunkey
@@coreyander286 I'm curious how a person incapable to notice a joke or sarcasm. Very curious.
@@coreyander286
Oh my fucking god, you're denser than osmium
Wateya knows!
"the original trilogy may as well have never happened" pretty much sums it up
We wouldn't have any Star Wars if it never happened!
Hell the prequels are totally invalidated as well since the whole Chosen one thing was a lie as was the fact Palpatine was absolutely and unequivocally correct, if only Anakin was Rey he could have saved Padme
@@creed8712 oh noooo the prequels are invalidated how dreadfulllll
@@roman.nose.enjoyer I know, how awful the story George wanted to tell is rendered meaningless by a bunch of people who didn’t know what they were doing...
@@roman.nose.enjoyer The prequels weren't that good, but they did tell a good star wars story and created an awesome world.
My favorite example of “There’s nothing wrong with fan service” is the first season of The Mandalorian. In Empire, one of the cloud city residents is running around with an ice cream maker. In the show, Mando gets a shipment of this super cool blaster resistant shit (can’t remember what it’s called) and it’s given to him in a ice cream maker! It wasn’t to in your face, and it helped explain why there was just an ice cream machine in Star Wars. I will say that the show then gets really stupid with its fan service after they go to Tatooine.
The fact that they made Rey a Palpatine shows they know nothing about Star Wars.
Palpatine would never have kids.
Rey having a parentage of her own as being a family as a family who would craft a legacy of her own should've made her slightly distinctive.
Anakin is his kid.
nerrel dies of alcohol poisoning: the movie
Can’t wait for people to go frame by frame and pull a face reveal out of him dying. Don’t know why they’d take the time. We all know he’s actually just Johnny Depp.
@@isaiahdavis9486 who knows who it is
I was begging for that vodka to be water by the 6th shot
No, Nerrel Brains his Damage: The Film!
7:19 "No, Chewbacca your father is"
I fucking died
MRGGH *GHAG-* _Grrrrrrrr..._
yoda too...
fur is all testosterone baby, voice so deep he growled, bet he's hung
M A C L U N K E Y
Ochi isn't even a Sith, he's just a glorified bounty hunter.
I'm addicted to this video. Not only is it funny, but it's also the best video on Rise of Skywalker I've seen. And this is coming from someone who thinks Last jedi was an unfocused mess. I like how you address the original Duel of the Fates script and how it does sound a lot better than Rise but also acknowledge the serious flaws of the script that probably led to it getting replaced.
STAR WARSNEY sucks because DISNEY ruins everything it touches.
Inspiring that even in these dire times, Adam Driver could be the birthday boy, and no one can take that from him.
Kelly-Marie Tran had more roles in the LEGO Christmas Special.
had a few too many rolls if you ask me
@@argylemanni280 Why would you write this?
@@sade1212 because it's true
F
Anno is Palpatine in disguise
I was so depressed with what happened with the second season of the Mandalorian. It felt like it abandoned everything I enjoyed about the first.
Eh, The Mandalorian should have been better if it was a Boba Fett show. Seriously, think about, Din is more Boba than Boba Fett himself.
@@SirBlackReeds You think the mandalorian would be better if it was Boba Fett instead of Din? There's a huge difference between the two of them, one of them is culturally mandalorian.
I do actually blame Disney for some of it because it's clear they wanted to set up all these new shows.
I revisit this video every few months. I think its a remarkable examination of why this movie doesn't work, and ages extremely well with time as the Star Wars franchise continues to regress into half-assed projects drowned in nostalgia pandering that refuses to challenge its audience of thumbsucking manbabies. None of these people will ever revisit or remember these new projects like Ahsoka or Boba Fett despite how much they may claim to love them. All they'll remember are the Star Wars projects they're designed to remind you of, and i think that's what people fail to realize just does not work about current Star Wars.
My personal gripe about this movie is that they had all these “PSYCHE” moments where a character dies but actually doesn’t. Chewy gets blown up? NOPE he’s was actually on a different ship lol! 3PO losses his memory for the greater good? JK its back 2 minutes later xD! etc... All the weight I was feeling during those serious scenes was instantly disintegrated and it pissed me off so much. That is just my personal opinion though.
Forgot when Rey dies and that stupid ass force healing brought kylo to his demise. Ending would have been better if Rey died.
If chewie died
The fanbase would rage like never before
@@somegeekguy Honestly. Either that or have them kill each other and tell a tragic story about two people who despite an their connection are forced to kill each other due to their past and backgrounds and the very nature of the universe. Because neither light or dark can reign supreme and so the struggle must continue.
The dead speak!
@@EggEnjoyer nice, kind of like how mandalorian hinted at the duel needed to reclaim the saber
"We wallow in recycled ideas, and when one gets exhausted, we reboot it and start over again, as if it never happened before." Man, I see this hitting the gaming industry hard too. Most new IPs from big publishers have been flops, and next-gen will force safe franchises even more. The indie scene is the only place of experimentation.
Absolutely. Games like The Pathless and Hollow Knight or the Spirit farer and Hades are a blessing. Also new IP's like Ghost of Tsushima
Main reason why, despite not really liking it, I still have a huge ammount of respect for Death Stranding.
I mean, Splatoon was big, most of the new things PlayStation brings makes success, Microsoft needs to go home
Videogames are different than movies, or any other story-focused media like books for that matter, because they aren't story focused. It is much more forgivable to have 20 sequels to Super Mario Bros, because you don't need to reinvent new story-plots or character-arcs, you have to come up with new creative gameplay concepts, as well as evolving and expanding on what came before it. Movies are largely conceived as one cohesive story, going through various arcs, promoting growth in the characters, and then arriving at a satisfying conclusion, leaving most sequels to feel like unnecessary and unneeded continuations for the sake of continuations. Games inherently don't have the same problem, as each new entry has the potential to offer a new and fresh experience, even while recycling characters and locations from previous entries. I also don't think it's fair to say most new IPs from big publishers are flops: Overwatch, Splatoon, Horizon Zero Dawn and many more, all new big IPs by some of the industries largest publishers, that managed to attract huge audiences, achieve an overwhelmingly positive response from critics and launch their own franchises to the point of at the very least getting a sequel.
@@conic2721 Microsoft brought us Ori.
Please never stop making stuff, Nerrel.
I guess this is pretty biased, but I really liked the idea of the rebels finding old Separatist droid foundries and building up an army of Battle Droids to fight the First Order. I mean, we were pretty much told from Episode VIII that "no one is coming". Thus, it would make sense for the rebels to find a way to fight back without relying on those people who were too afraid to come help. Having the rebels use the droids to fight off the stormtroopers for sometime would be a good way to jump start the people into action. After all, if decades old droids can beat the First Order, than your average joe can too.
It would also nicely tie in the prequels in a way that makes sense the more you think about it.
Not to mention it would be an excellent justification for why the Resistance goes from a handful of people in an old smugglers freighter to something powerful enough to face the First Order toe to toe. It would definitely be better than Rise of Skywalker just... giving the Resistance back the fleet they had at the start of TLJ if not more without even a handwave.
“Poe was a smuggler” another blatant rip on the original. Disney’s own canon prior to TRoS states that he was a New Republic pilot and nothing more.
That actually makes more sense for his character in the first two if you ask me. Him being raised in a culture where he looks up to his fellow soldiers as heroes and probably gets viewed as a hot shot pilot himself would do more to give him some unhealthy ego boosts than just giving him Solo's story. Making him a smuggler would indicate he actually knows how to make smart and well thought-out plans to avoid getting busted and keep his crime a secret than a pilot in his glory days.
So in IX, not only did Rey get lazily rewritten into being Luke 2.0 and Kylo into Vader 2.0, but now Poe is Solo 2.0.
They just HAD to make Rey (another desert planet hero who aquired a rebel droid forcing her to leave the planet on the Falcon) another offspring of a sith lord. BIG plot twist JJ Abrams, wonder where you thought of that?
And Kylo of course had to die saving the hero from the emperor. Couldn't think of anything more unique than that? Its not like he's another Skywalker fallen jedi corrupted by Palpatine, who changed his name, killed all the jedi again, and started wearing a mask while being #2 for the empire.
I swear JJ is the biggest hack ever
@@MinuteLeech2 i feel like if the trilogy was based on Kylo Ren instead of Rey, it would have been a lot better, a new protagonist who starts off on the dark side is far different (and more interesting imo) then the same 'born on a desert planet and now im destined for greatness', if Kylo Ren was the main protagonist we wouldn't need to ask 'who's your daddy?' because we already know that he's the son of Han Solo and Leia and i think there's a lot of story material for that, but Disney's creative bankruptcy unfortunately shows us otherwise
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 I dunno. As my previous comment outlines, Kylo suffers from most of the same problems as Rey. Too derivative of an OT character, badly planned out, convoluted motivations/arc.
Frankly the whole plot in concept was garbage and lazy. Doing Rebels vs Empire and basically remaking the OT. The trilogy was so halfassed.
@@MinuteLeech2 and i agree 100%, Kylo like everyone else got the dirty on him with this half ass trilogy, but i like the casting choice with Adam Driver, and i still really love his lightsaber, again i just think having a main character who starts off bad would be big step in a different direction for star wars, but like you, i dont like the rehash of the first order being another empire and stuff
“Reich and Roll”
I might have to steal that
Truly you're stealing it from The Residents' 1976 album Third Reich 'n Roll featuring Swastikas on Parade and Hitler Was A Vegetarian
@@surroundgatari I'm sorry that you know what this is :(
Hitler 2 found in zelda nerd's comment section
@@AppaBalloonPro when's hitler: the thousand year reich gonna come out? i've heard they decided to announce hitler 4: episode 1 instead, but that sounds like yet another rumor.
surroundgatari So glad to see there’s other cultured people in this comment section
You basically nailed all the problems even highlighting the production issues and summarizing Colin's script. It's amazing how much better the original script sounds even if it does need some tuning up. The final segment I think perfectly illiustrates people's discontempt with modern cinema. It, along with the "this is how cinema dies", made me shed a tear. In that I weep for cinema. I hope one day people finally say enough is enough and ask for something fresh instead of retreading old steps in order to make themselves feel better. God help the film industry.
This is by far the best and most insightful review of Rise of Skywalker, it’s so rewatchable too
“There was also Darth Maul with robot legs in there which is... shit.”
Clone Wars Fans: It’s treason then.
Guess we know where this guy stands on the prequels, lol
After having him clone wars and rebels, having him in the sequels would be troublesome.
Let's be honest the Clone Wars writers were desperate when the brought Maul back, even though I saw his survival being similar to how Darth Sion lived purely on him embracing his pain. And for their credit he was a good addition to the show, mostly through the performance given by his voice actor. Though I rolled my eyes when I saw him appears in Rebels, just because a character is popular doesn't mean that it is good to keep writing them in. The Expanded Universe runs into the same problem with Luke Skywalker after episode 6.
@@marcoasturias8520 Lucas planned that BEFORE his appearance on Rebels. He was being build up on TCW for the sequels.
@@nick0875 Well he met his end in Rebels and it was one of best damn scenes in all of Star Wars.
Colin Trevorrow's movie sounds infinitely more interesting than what we got.
Legit. The lack of Kylo is disappointing, but holy shit, it sounds way better than TROS.
If they ever invent a time machine the first thing I would do is beg Kathleen Kennedy to give Rian complete creative freedom over the trilogy.
I feel like if I'd do that even the people who think this sounds insane will have a completely different outlook on him in a revised present. Any writer who proved himself (Gravity Falls, Hot Fuzz, Logan, Breaking freaking Bad) had nothing but good things to say about Rian as a filmmaker. Even current fan favorites in regards to Star Wars, George Lucas and Dave Filoni, seem on board with his vision.
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 If you ask me, I think even if they kept the better parts and refined Trevorrow's script, then the fanbase still would have gotten very pissed over it like they did with TLJ...BUT the catch is that as time went on, people would have warmed up to it.
IE Tor Vallum being made Palpatine's master instead of Kylo finding Plageuis on Remingcore would make the fanbase mad because it's a "retcon" and they must not understand continuity. Or that Kylo's life-force draining power is "lore-breaking" because Palps should have done that to Vader while he was being carried to the Death Star railing. Rey being able to defeat Kylo and the Knights of Ren in any form would have solidified her apparent "Mary-Sue" ability, and that people looking up to her and Luke would mean she's too perfect as well. I don't think one scene where she talks to Luke as she's meditating would have been enough to appease them. Then there's Rose simply existing, Hux still being a "joke" as he kills himself like a coward, and even the idea the dark and light side come together would have divided plenty because many would feel as if it completely wrecks the originals by saying a compromise was made when RotJ was all about forever destroying the dark side. Rey getting the final ending where most things are solved instead of Luke would have made heads explode to boot.
But again, the thing is that as time went on, people would have warmed up to it, and recognize it as a potent, new, and unique way to end the saga. Realizing it fits in well with the past two trilogies with a little bit of nuance and deeper examination of the prequels and originals and that it evolved Star Wars to a new realm. In the same way many people have gotten over the prequels not feeling like "real" Star Wars enough and are willing to see the good in them for what it is.
That's the ultimate thing about the sequel trilogy going into the future. It should have been one pallet cleanser that people loved on first sight then later go "Eh, that was good.", then the other two that made people pissed upon release but then become classics as time goes on. But the way it is now, we have one that will be remembered as "Eh that was good", one that will later be remembered as a classic, and the final one will be forgotten and many won't want to remember it to begin with for being so shallow, intellectually regressive, and packed with soulless fan-service.
@@pacman5698 I think I’m the only 1 who thinks Episode 9 should have been about restoring the new republic and the Jedi order-better late than never, huh?
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 I still think TLJ was a terrible film that fucked with a lot of the already established canon (critics like MauLer have already torn TLJ a new one years ago), but I agree that if they had let Rian Johnson direct the whole trilogy from the get-go, we could've maybe gotten something remotely interesting and internally consistent.
TFA was basically "herp derp reboot + mystery box mystery box mystery box", and Rian Johnson comes along after a completely insincere, planless mess and adds meaning to all these stupid mystery boxes. I loved Luke and Luke's arc in TLJ, but that was the most derided, ohh well.
It could’ve worked but I doubt it would feel natural
That Stephen Colbert clip asking JJ about Kelly Marie Tran’s inclusion…. How can JJ sleep at night. SHAMELESS.
Highly disappointed that this video wasn’t included in the hit series, “Too Late, Who Gives a Shit?”
If that's the best excuse you have to not listen, then he did alright
Nerrel really subverted our expectations with this one
0:28 "..and for everyone to completely stop giving a shit."
That Duel of the Fates script does have a Kylo Ren problem, but damn does it sound SO much better.
The way I see it is that Duel of the Fates was gonna be a cluster fuck.
... but Rise of Skywalker was a cluster fuck anyways so we might as well have gotten the script closer to an organic follow up to Last Jedi.
@@frowerhousestudios Return of the Jedi is a clusterfuck. The second sequel of any film series is very rarely a home run and frankly, they're usually pretty bad. Shrek 3 sucks. Toy Story 3 is incredible. It's kind of a crapshoot. But the main job of such a movie is bringing things to a satisfying conclusion, and if it's a little messy, that's usually fine.
RotJ -- We blew up the thing again, the Emperor is dead, and everyone's happy. Great.
Duel of the Fates -- The people rose up to rectify their mistakes, Rey is the first person in the history of this series who actually understands and wants to do something about the "balance in the force" motif because of what she learned from Luke, and everyone's happy. Great.
@@frams12 3rd movies in franchises are usually shit because, on most occasions, a 3rd movie's ideas are never given as much time brewing as the first and second. It's why something like toy story 3, that had a lot of time to be conceptualized, was wrll written while shrek 3, a sequel that started production right after shrek 2 (without much time to spend thinking of the story itself), is so messy. At least that's the standard.
The only thing I would've really changed about the Duel of The Fates script was simply make Kylo Ren the main bad guy. Both of the previous 2 movies set up Kylo being the final villain of the trilogy perfectly and they should've continued that.
Oh, and not had Kylo be redeemed because that's such a cliche and one that Star Wars itself popularized. It would've been far far more interesting had Kylo, who is a psychopathic manchild remember, being in control of the most powerful military force in the galaxy, that could've easily been horrifying. Sure, have Rey try to turn Kylo one more time, but it shouldn't work, and they should fight to the death. Kylo and Rey have their final duel and Rey shows just how much better she's gotten since TFA by finally beating Kylo at his best.
Ultimately, all the problems with Rise of Skywalker boiled down to trying to act like The Last Jedi never happened. This Duels of the Fates script would've at least addressed that by logically continuing with what TLJ established.
@@immortalfrieza How about instead of "redeeming" Kylo by making him good, he accepts his role as a baddie and allows himself to be killed, saying that his defeat will allow good to persevere; he would be doing evil for noble reasons, a light in the dark, just like the final theme of "Gray" force users.
32:08 isn't it fun that Finn is just screaming even in the concept art?
Man, the Duel of the Fates alt script you described at 29:22 sounds so much better than the movie we got
Those last 7 minutes hit incredibly hard; it was an absolutely damning condemnation of the state of pop culture right now.
Once again, Nerrel's completely outdone himself in spite of the video being outside of his usual subject matter.
i remember when nerrel just made Zelda texture videos lol
@@whodatninja439 can you believe that was almost 15 years ago... pepperidge farm remembers....
State of the mainstream film industry*. There is more diversity in pop culture overall then ever.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Movie fans don't know this. When you're primed to just eat up whatever is being marketed somewhere, even your idea of finding new content consists of finding a marketer that can recommend something, and you start screening everything through the idea "90% of everything is shit" and relying on somebody to hand you that 10% of [something].
For instance, anime is really good if you know where to look, but people keep just asking me what's the new Cowboy Bebop and say that without one anime is shit, because it doesn't fit the old box of being like a hollywood movie. Appreciating new things doesn't work like that, you have to appreciate the new thing for what's new about it, learn to appreciate it. Become the guy who wades through the shit and grows flowers out of it.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 That's literally how I found most of my favorite anime. I simply tried watching shows that seemed interesting even if they were incredibly niche. There are so many amazing pieces of media to find if you just keep an open mind and don't solely rely on known IPs.
"Fans have basically demanded that we get nothing but an endless slideshow of our favorite things, and the only movie to reject that overt pandering is the most intensely hated thing in the series. It looks like Disney has gotten the message."
I already knew this was true, but hearing it spelled out like that actually made me wince. Fantastic video about a tragic situation, I couldn't agree more.
The last Jedi was hated for its disrespect and for the fact it was bad
@@duke0salt717 no
All three films are hated for their own reasons. A distaste for blind pandering unfortunately does not equate to loving the exact opposite regardless of execution. Lack of planning and proper care about a deeper consistency messed up the sequels imo.
@@duke0salt717 You just proved the OP
The Last Jedi wouldn't be that hated if it was actually a good movie. Alas, it was not. The attempt alone of arbitrary changing things is not worth praising when the execution is so pathetic.
Honestly this is a great video. However I do need to counter the point you made at the end that the fact that these franchise flicks being the biggest money makers in cinema now are just “the audience’s fault”. Like, of course almost audience goers are stupid, but this is far more a matter of DISTRIBUTION than anything else. I don’t know where you live or what kind of theaters you have, but here where I live, where we have a SMALL theater that holds up to five screens overall and is only able to play the biggest, newest films, a normal movie being shown isn’t just a miracle, it’s an anomaly. If I want to see a regular film, I’ll have to drive 1+ hours to even come close to a theater playing it.
Just this year, two films-Ridley Scott’s The Last Duel and Steven Spielberg’s West Side Story-from 20th Century Studios (now under Disney) got sidelined when it came to theatrical releases in favor of the newest Marvel and Disney animated films to come out around the same time. Let me repeat: two new movies from two of the biggest directors alive got a significantly smaller platform to perform on than a damn Marvel flick. Again, this has little to do with audience participation because the audience rarely has a chance to actually see these movies.
Don't forget the international aspect. China's theatres are in the same position that our theatres were in the Golden Age, where the studios control them. Speaking of which, Hollywood's desire for Chinese money is another factor.
I was so hesitant to watch this and The Last Jedi video because of how controversial the subject is but... these are actually your best uploads, especially the part about how franchises and reboots are taking over and regurgitating nostalgia instead of taking risks and having imagination, "...this is how cinema dies, with thunderous applause" and I concur.
I don’t believe the RT user score for a second. Probably manipulated after what happened last time. But over compensated and removed many negative reviews
I don't believe any review aggregator score because they all are very easy to game and falsify.
After TLJ I believe it.
In that I believe a bunch of doofs entered perfect scores just to be spiteful.
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson
When a movie suddenly gets 10 times more more negative 1-star reviews (a lot of the copy/pasted) than something like Endgame has total reviews, removing them is not fishy, it's their job.
I want to believe that; it's the only explanation that makes sense. Just one problem though. Why didn't this happen to TLJ? The movie that takes risks like that one was lambasted by fans and the one that is safe is praised by fans. It makes some kind of sense.
@@Carabas72 🇳🇦
Finn was done so incredibly dirty. He absolutely deserved his moments and they cut them all out.
Yeah they really dropped the ball on him. The idea of humanizing the Storm Troopers through Finn was really interesting. He could have had a really satisfying character arc but they couldn't even manage to keep his personality consistent in the 2nd and 3rd film. I was frustrated watching the Last Jedi because it seemed like his character was reset, like he didn't learn anything or grow from the events of The Force Awakens.
@@MiSambra Finn wasn't even consistent in the first movie. He had his arc, yeah, but there were a lot of issues with it right from the beginning of the movies. It's amazing how much they can mess it up in such a short time.
@@MiSambra TLDR: This is really long, but broke it into paragraph so it's easier yo read.
Not only Fin's character was ruined, but also Rey's character. I was hoping that Rey would've joined Kylo. That would've actually subverted my expectations in a satisfying way while making Rey a bit more interesting, like a slightly different Darth Vader origin. Rey should've been the real antagonist (an obstacle but not an evil villain) since Kylo is too unstable, and Fin should've been a Jedi, or at least trained akin to Luke's journey. The movies we got showed hints (barely but they're there) like Fin leaving to even fighting against The First/New Order (I don't remember their name), standing his ground against Kylo without lightsaber/force training, willing to sacrificing himself to that death laser, and being force sensitive.
The sequel trilogy started with Fin, and ended with Rey. After she came on the screen, what should've been the main character was pushed to being a meandering sidekick and the sidekick got the spotlight. Imagine instead of the dynamic duo Batman and Robin it was called Robin and Batman, there's no ring to it. And Rey could've been more interesting like Han Solo, he had no backstory when he was introduced but he had character growth over the trilogy while Rey remained a stagnant goody two-shoes. Disney had absolutely no idea what to do with the sequel and it's evident with how fanservice-y the sequel trilogy is.
@@MiSambra nonsense. In TFA, he goes from being a stormtrooper to a runaway survivor.
TLJ sees him grow from a man who only wants to run away, to someone willing to die for a greater cause (like his cut line, where he proudly declared himself "REBEL scum.")
@@StriderZessei Agreed. I get tired of people saying that Finn regressed in TLJ. He didn't. His story and character had only just begun their journey. He only did what he did in The Force Awakens because he wanted to save Rey, a friend. Then in the Last Jedi he is willing to join a cause. His story arc is very similar to Han's. Going from a guy not interested in a "revolution" and wanting to just get away from it all to caring about friends to fighting for something greater then himself. The final movie should have ended his character arc with Finn becoming a leader, maybe inspiring others to reject the First Order as he did and start a larger rebellion within their ranks. Instead, it all amounted to nothing.
Thank you for making this video. It's so refreshing to actually see a thoughtful and nuanced critique of the Sequel films. So much of the conversation around these films is completely braindead
Eh, I've seen better, a critique that doesn't blame the audience no less.
the movies made everyone braindead
@@mannos8970
Y'know, I should ponder about this...
22:04 there's actually a comic in which he hunts darth vader and then he follows him around and cracks jokes
Ochi IS darth Jar Jar
Expertly paced, Nerrel! The shift between film problems, cinema problems, and fun gags makes the 40m fly by. Almost makes me forget that time you fell into that nest of Gundarks 💚
Can of coke for him, you’re saying?
What Barr!! Is finn?
Ohhh, fancy seeing you here, ya bloody wankah!
@@chrisweaver6742 WELL, Pastoro! Finn is wearing a... he’s wearing a.... well I forget what he was wearing cuz I forgot he was in the film at all! So with that in mind, Finn from The Rise of Skywalker is... a bottle of Pepsi Clear! (Ohhhh!)
@@unclegumbald989 uh well done, can of coke for that man!
The rise of skywalker always reminded me that the colour blue exists
@ShoryukenPunch I think that's okay. Attack of the Clones is quite orange on my mind. And Empire is quite white, whereas Return of the Jedi is green.
The phantom menace
And a new hope are tan in my mind,
Attack of the clones is orange to me
Revenge of the Sith is grey in my mind
Empire is white in my mind,
Return of the jedi is green in my mind
The force awakens is black in my mind
The last jedi is red in my mind
And yeah the rise of skywalker is just blue in my mind
It's common to use different filters to create a feeling in movies but JJ Abrams once learned that this blue touch looks dramatic and cool so he uses it of course in every of his movies
Honestly this movie would've been better if Rey was revealed to be a Wookie and then she struggled throughout the movie with her transformation like someone in a werewolf movie. Then when she's full Wookie at the end of the movie and the lady asks what her name is, she does the classic Chewbacca noise. I would've loved it.
The success of Top Gun: Maverick, being the first movie in the series since the original, shows how valuable it can be to treat a series with care and only drop new entries when they're necessary. Not that Top Gun needed resolution per se, but giving 30 years for a sequel makes a rehash much more tolerable and maybe even special. The Force Awakens felt special to me when I saw it in 2015 because of the ten year gap; I felt like it was a lazy rehash at the time, but I didn't mind lazy rehashes if they only came once every ten years. But then they went and decided to make nothing but.
Please don't make a yearly top gun movie hollywood, I don't want to watch military recruitment ads very often.
The difference is Top Gun: Maverick isn't a lazy cash-in, it's actually a decent and well-made movie that had a heart even if money was meant to be made and some propaganda was shilled. This is just lazy slop so the pigs come paying for it so they can get a kick out of "Woah look at this reference!" and "I remember that background character!".
Guess what… It got nominated for Best Picture.
Dexter Jetster´s Dinner scene is crucial to Attack of the Clones.
Removing it is heresy!
Well Whaddaya know
I like it
Fin was my favorite part of Force Awakens, he was one of the few actually new things from Force Awakens. A story about a renegade trooper feeling conflicted about fighting back would have been so good. His character really got fucked over in this trilogy.
It’s basically only good in concept because they fucked it up in TFA too. The movie tries to have it both ways: stormtroopers are people too, but they are also just cannon fodder who get slaughtered without a second thought (even by Finn himself)
His arc in The Last Jedi is the closest we get to a fulfilling story with him. Taking out his former boss and declaring himself rebel scum is awesome. I wish they didn’t cut the scene before it, where he convinces the troopers nearby to turn against her too.
"SUCH WASTED POTENTIAL" - Sub Zero
To be fair, TFA made no effort whatsoever to actually put its money where its mouth was with Finn. He's just a wise-cracking, funny, slightly awkward but normal dude from the start, despite having lived literally his entire life being brainwashed into a fascist army. In the very same movie he's introduced, they joke that he was just a janitor, and he shows not ounce of concern whatsoever for any of his fellow stormtroopers.
He didn't only get fucked over in TROS, or in TLJ, but even in TFA. They truly didn't give a shit.
I think this is my most rewatched CZcams video at this point
This is my third rewatch, some pretty solid stuff in here.
Yeah I’ve probably watched the whole thing 10+ times
I've seen his Majora's Mask video about 6 times. This guy is on another level.
I think it’s the bored voice combined with a good message and some quality jokes here and there that make it for me
I still watch this weekly
What I like about this video is that it's not just a director-hating fest. That is already refreshing, which is something unfortunate to say.
That audience score is fishy to say the least, it's been stuck at 86% since it had a few thousands votes so take that number with a massive grain of salt.
In numbers instead of a percentage it’s surprisingly close to the positive votes on The Last Jedi.
@@TheDecentDescent Anyone who still used rotten tomatoes as a way to judge movies nearly 10 years ago was a moron.
Now they're just r e t a r d e d
Nerrel: "Darth Maul with robot legs....it's shit."
Clone Wars: :(
That was damn good though.
@@Casshio I know, and I'm just like, did he not watch Clone Wars?!
well, it was pretty shit to give him robot legs and then move on. Why killed him if you are going to revive him like a shitty comic book character? The show could have just show his life before he died but it wanted to have its cake and eat it too so Obiwan could kill him again (on another show if I remember correctly). I honestly preferred the Belated Media approach and have Maul as a relevant antagonist on the prequels than Dooku or General Grievous (his cartoon version was badass though).
@@tomstonemale His porpuse on the story is not to be killed by Obi Wan againg, but to show the extent of the damage caused by the darkside. Maul is just another victim desperate for a way out all of this.
It makes sense in the Clone Wars because he has history with Obi-Wan and Sidious and he plays an interesting role as a renegade Sith Lord third-party. There's a purpose and significance to him coming back. Making him the main villain of the sequels would be ridiculous, because general audiences would only know him from Episode 1 and it'd be like "Remember the nearly-mute red dude from six movies ago? Palpatine's previous previous apprentice? He's back!".
I think Trevorrow’s script was rejected cause it would’ve caused the film to be banned in China. Think about it the finale is about a revolution involving average civilians taking place in the streets against tanks and military machinery.
Shit, you're right.
Really Disney should've never tried to cater to China. Star Wars movies have always not performed well there and now is no exception. If China banned it, fine, screw China. The rest of the world would enjoy it and contribute more than China ever would anyway.
I reckon he's got somethin there
Yeah, it would have been baned in China, and not America, the country with the largest military in the world.
Actually, we don't know for certain if it was rejected. The popular theory is that he left of his own accord because Lucasfilm had become hostile towards creativity.
I'll always remember Yoda's beautiful last words, "Muhklunky".
Episode 7: The fans didn’t like the prequels so we gotta go back to the originals.
Episode 8: The fans bought it but they didn’t like that it was just the originals. So do sometnin new.
Episode 9: AW SHIT MAN, SHIT BE WILD! GO BACK, GO BACK NOW!!!!
Basically. It's like the mindset of the Call of Duty fanbase after each new game is released. Both fanbases being pretty toxic tbh.
Yea as kishqqaae we see ya as awyaisyaasdyryryututî
Try this,
"Episode 9: nvm we dont know what star wars is, just sell product"
This is the fans in general toxic man, babies and self entitled children.
@@Mootkins --- I afraid to say that Star Wars will became Call of Duty of movies, a series that stops being interesting and just there... like we don't like it or dislike it, loved or hated it, just kinda there, which is sad, but that's how large franchises truly dies, we stop caring about it.
_"If it's an idea you would have thought of anyway, fine. It's okay for a manga artist to adapt like that. But if you go around absorbing everything your fans give you, you end up with gibberish, like this. Listen, fan mail is something to encourage you, not something to steal ideas from. If you start using all these suggestions, then your work won't be Muto Ashirogi's anymore. It'll be something your fans created... understand?"_
- Goro Miura; Bakuman
Problem is, now with the proliferation of social media, many fans have the illusion of, not only being an essential part of the creative process, but of being ENTITLED to be an essential part of the creative process.
@@XanderVJ Nerrel made me find words for my philosophy now on how I view the future of the franchises I love and am still interested in. Ie when all is said and done, a franchise needs to allow itself to evolve and bring about new life. Whether or not that makes most people comfortable is irrelevant for me. What matters is whether or not a new artist with a vision is allowed to express said vision without having cow-tow to peer pressure or boardroom checklists. And if a decision is made that makes people uncomfortable, so be it. But put yourself in the shoes of a person who had spent all their time, money, and a good chunk of their life being able to get a once in a lifetime chance to direct a main installment of one of the biggest franchises in all of cinematic history. How beyond pissed would you be if you were told you need to shutdown any unique ideas YOU had so that everybody could be pleased.
We need more stuff like The Last Jedi, The Last of Us Part II, The Legend of Korra, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, She-Ra, and Shin Godzilla, and less stuff like The Rise of Skywalker, Terminator Genisys, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Godzilla: King of the Monsters, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, and Sonic the Hedgehog 2020.
I can't believe that frigging Carmen Sandiego of all franchises would take greater risks and end on a much more potent and mature note in its finale then Star Wars would...
As much as I agree with the sentiment, are you meming right now? That quote's from the editor character in Bakuman, not from award winning author of Berserk. They just share the same name.
@@writinggoose6059 Gotchya. I'm correcting it. TV Tropes, where I first discovered that quote, kind of had me search through who really said that and I thought they were talking about an actual author than a fictional character. My mistake.
@@pacman5698 Oh ok cool. Sorry if "meming" sounded mean-spirited, I'm used to nonsensical quotes being attributed to important people as a joke.
genuinely wild that people hated The Last Jedi when it's genuinely the only movie of the new trilogy I actually enjoyed watching.
You can't blame me for The Rise of Skywalker. I loved The Last Jedi when it first came out. Even got my Mum to watch it in 3D.
One of the best parts of The Last Jedi is the fact that at no point does Finn scream someone’s name.
RRRREEEEEEEYYYYY
STEEEEEEVVVEEEEE
BIIIIIILLLLLLLLL
His first word in that movie is him yelling Rey straight out of a coma and bonking his head on glass
@@evannaves2774 As a leftover from the last movie’s events.
@@CerealBox64
Which is nonetheless clearly a part of The Last Jedi.
Robeeeert
I do not care about star wars at all but your great humor and perfect pacing/writing got me to watch this whole thing
Wow, you predicted the thesis.
me either i’m just glad nerrel uploaded
@@kaytlyn5081 Kaytlyn
Idk if I should subscribe to billehbawb.
Literally not the only one, Infact I really dislike star wars
Mauler still gets pissed thinking about this video.
Every single fucking morning when he wakes up.
Poor guy.
I demand a 9 episode series, 5 hours each, proving why your comment is OBJECTIVELY incorrect, false and contains slander in a logical manner.
I feel pretty confident saying
Original Trilogy: Best Movies
Prequel Trilogy: Best Story
Sequel Trilogy: Best Acting
And those three categories are won by a pretty wide margin.
Now the opposite:
Prequels: Worst Acting
Sequels: Worst Story
Original Trilogy: Worst Special Edition.
I always wanted Rey to be nobody just be herself not related to anyone
It's genuinely a way more inspiring reveal: Your lineage doesn't make you a hero or villain, your choices do.
“They hated him (Rian Johnson) because he spoke the truth”
The problem is that the force awaken made it a non possibility that she was a nobody since she was stronger than the chosen one( and his family ) in the force .
I would've love that the main jedi of the saga was a nobody ( finn for exemple ) that wasn't as strong as the others but trained relentlessly and used the force and tactics creatively . But we have to face that The force awaken did make a lot of problem and pushed TLJ to shoulder the reponsability .
@@stormbringer2840 Perhaps, however we kind of measure strength in all media like we do in dbz, which often hurts our ability to enjoy them. I started seeing this in star wars since the midichlorians, which were just invented to say: "Anakin is most powreful than yoda. See, he has a battle power of 530 000". Think about it this way: Kylo was powerful, but the force must be used through your emotional state. The jedi have to be at peace and the sith must feel anger and hate. He was conflicted, so his mind was weakened by self loathing and regret when trying to read rey's. This is even more so the case when actually fighting her because he had just killed Han, which Snoke says ruined him. He also wasn't trying to kill her, while she was, and he had a huge bullet wound in his abdomen. So you can say that he would normally be stronger than Rey, but was weakened at the time. Sorry for the essay.
@@mortadelofilemon2086
/I started seeing this in star wars since the midichlorians, which were just invented to say: Anakin is most powreful than yoda. See, he has a battle power of 530 000./
Why ? Anakin was obviously not more powerful than yoda since he got his ass kicked by Obi wan and dooku . ( he had the potential but needed TRAINING )
Also I wasn't talking about this but how rey use abilities that took years for luke to get ( 5 to be precise ) without training or the knowledge that it was possible . It obviously mean she is more naturally sensitive than them since she do WAAAY better on first try without guidance or training .
Fun fact: one of the puppeteers for Babu Frik liked my tweet about wanting to see the character naked
There was a point where Ahsoka and Luke were new characters.
Even "dismemberment" was a story telling device, to Lucas it meant something pivotal happened, but no, fans complain games or certain scenes lack dismemberment.
They don't understand it's for key moments, like to prove how skilled Dooku is, Anakin turn to Vader, or Luke learning Vader is his father.
Seeing Darth Maul in Solo instead of a brand new character is also proof they rely on fan service and need to stick to creative guns, even if people disagree.
I think I’ve watched this video at least 3 times now. It’s a great video. Easily one of your best.
"Kylo amounts to nothing more than a lightsaber delivery boy"
Except he didn't even bring the sabers, Rey brought them. Ben brought a blaster, that he drops between shots so he is unarmed and battered by the Knights of Ren. Great movie
I would have been more satisfied with this movie if Palpatine just turned out to be a bunch of Babu Friks' in a robe.
Babu Frik is the one thing that generally made me smile watching Rise of Skywalker
Babu Frik carried that entire movie
@@TheStanishStudios Who knew such a little fella had such a strong back?
@@CamHennings Hey, what about C-3PO? He was actually hilarious, save a few parts.
@@waffletdt5603 lmao noice
I just want to thank you for your thoughts on the second season of mando. i got so much heat from people for implying it had a severe lack of actual dialog writing and character development
genuinely, sincerely do not understand why so many people still get pissed about Luke’s arc in TLJ, I found it super emotional as a lifelong fan of the originals, it just felt depressingly real yet ultimately uplifting for such a powerful and heroic figure to be broken by misfortune, to fall into bitterness and despair, only to eventually triumphantly return. That last moment with the binary sunset genuinely made me tear up.
Honestly I wasn't that huge a fan of Luke in the original films. Maybe it's because I didn't really grow up with him, but he was always a character I never really had strong feelings for or against. His arc in TLJ though made me completely reevaluate my feelings on his character and turned him into one of my favorite characters in the saga. People can say what they want about the rest of the film, but I will defend Luke's arc to the bitter end. That portion alone made the entire film worth watching in theaters...twice.
It felt real that Luke, the guy who held out that *Darth* *Vader* still had a shred of his father still left in him after years and years under Palpatine, would just instantly try to murder his nephew because he thought he might do something bad?
@@BaldorfBreakdowns He didn't instantly try to kill Ben. That's where so many people get it wrong. He tried to get through to Ben the same he tried to get through to Vader. The thing is that this time...it didn't work. Luke had been training Ben for quite some time, using every technique he knew of to try and help Ben control his anger. None of his methods did any good. In fact, Ben only seemed to get worse by the day. Then Luke goes to check in on him to see just how bad the darkness within him has gotten, only to find far more darkness than he has ever sensed before and and on top of it all, he foresaw through the force that Ben would murder all of his students in cold blood and bring down the New Republic. Force visions have a pretty good track record for coming true, so Luke had good reason to be terrified.
@@DevilHunter1994 I wish any of that was in the movie.
He also saw visions of Vader torturing Leia and Han. Plus it's Darth Vader... he's killed lots of people, like the 2nd most evil dude in the universe.
But yeah, kill your nephew because visions...
@@BaldorfBreakdowns It was in the movie. Luke explains all of this during the third and final retelling of this event. He also explained that the mere thought of even killing Ben only lasted for a moment before Luke thought better of it and realized that he could never seriously go through with it. Ben just happened to wake up in that one worst possible moment.
Luke knew that Vader was only torturing Han and Leia to get his attention. He also was planning to kill Vader at that point, since he didn't know that Vader was his father yet. Luke very nearly killed Vader again in episode 6 when Vader said that he would turn Leia to the dark side if Luke wouldn't join him. He flew into a rage and attacked relentlessly. Vader was on the ground gasping for breath and with one missing hand by the time it was over. Luke was literally moments away from striking a killing blow and was only barely able to stop himself at the very last second. He didn't even need a vision of the future that time. Just Vader saying that he could do it was enough to set Luke off.
God I love these too-late-so-now-it’s-awkward reviews from you
I can't help but feel that we all knew we were in trouble when they hired the guy who wrote Batman V Superman to write this.
The moment they got JJ back after everyone complained that TFA was a remake of ANH should have been the realization.
@@Thesquareandweird you guys are totally missing the point of his video.
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ No. I get the point of the video. but i can still have the opinion that JJ and Terrio probably weren't good choices for the movie.
@@Thesquareandweird I’m not trying to argue in anyway, but I’m genuinely curious as to why you believe that?
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ Well, I think lucas put it best when he talked about TFA when it premiered about how there was nothing new. That's...pretty much how I felt about TROS. It's just...Dark Empire mixed with ROTJ. We saw this before.
It's like JJ likes the idea of star wars, the cool lightsaber fights, the fan service, so on and so on, While Rian likes the actual messages, what this shit means, and what not, the shit that actually made star wars what star wars is, if that makes any sense.
12:28 they had an army of extras to play aliens dancing around, but too bad they didn't have an army of extras to play a *LITERAL* arm of stormtroopers looking for them on the planet
Even the biker troops, I think there was only two bikes, that's when I could have accepted 20+ CGI bikes instead
Even the biker gang in The Book Of Boba Fett had more when he shot them to bits - that was a cool scene
The "Skywalker Saga" ending with the Skywalkers being dead failures was certainly an unexpected choice.