Film Theory: Jon Snow is THE KEY to Game of Thrones
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Jon Snow may know nothing, but WE certainly know a lot about him. Eddard Stark's bastard son is clearly one of the main heroes of Game of Thrones, but much of his backstory is shrouded in mystery. Popular fan theories about Game of Thrones have postulated that R + L = J, but what does that mean exactly? Is there the evidence to support it? And most importantly of all, what does that mean to the OVERALL STORY of the Game of Thrones series? How is Jon Snow the KEY to the Song of Ice and Fire?
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When you realize “Hey it’s not just a theory, it’s a spoiler” 😂👏🏾
No please don’t
Jup a spoiler
I am big chunky
doesn’t even matter though cause they never did anything with it
Last episode of season 7 ended up confirming this
0:14 did MatPat just foreshadow the Starbucks event of S8E4?
Hahahahahahaha
@Sassire That cup wasn't from Starbucks.
No...it was herbal tea
@@Sanmitraeuu oh sorry
@@Sanmitraeuu what? I couldve sworn it was a starbucks cup
How is it that Matpat predicted even the starbuck's debacle?!?
Joseph Armes what’s the Starbucks debacle?
@@kaylyhernandezpanameno2685 Someone left their starbucks cup on the table in one of the scenes in season 8
@@Chronoflation what? did it spill on the script?
@@dreliq981 No, it's just literally in the scene that they aired on TV. They really let go of some of the basic quality control towards the end of the series
4:41 I knew it!
Me: (watches theory)
Mat: Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen
Me: I don't think so MatPat
Me: (finishes s8 and forgets all about the theory)
Me: (watches theory after finding it again)
Mat: Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen
Me: (mind blown) WHAT SORCERY IS THIS!?!?!?!?
The sorcery is a common theory that existed 20yrs before this video.
@@user-ts7tp1dh6f For book readers before the show became a cult-style hit. I mean R+L = J really only took off after the show started. Though I am saddened by this meaning so very little in the final seasons. It barely mattered at all.
@@alicelaybourne1620 Regardless, it wasn't sorcery or any genius detective work on MatPat's part. Just stealing a commonly known theory, many basically held as fact.
The fact that you think it was sorcery illustrates how using your brain is an incapability for you
666 i wont leave a like but 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾😂😂😂😂
For those of you worried that this Game of Thrones theory isn't breaking any new ground, this was a primer to get you ready for next week's upload...to my knowledge it's completely original and has a VERY good chance at being true in my opinion...
I'm first to reply to this comment... :) I'd like to say more but I better post it before some other wannabe comes around
The Film Theorists yes its kinda dreamy ,george is not that kind of guy
but u see there are theory that dany wasn't raised in bravos but it was raised in dorn (lemon tree ) which is a few mile a way from the tower of joy , u see where i am going
The Film Theorists MY GOD!!! All these theory videos! It's like CZcams Christmas!
The Film Theorists Please talk about Howland Reed! He is the only other one of the five to escape the Tower of Joy, so he would know the truth of Jon's lineage
The Film Theorists You´ve had an error in this episode. Dan&Dave apperantly didn´t know the answer either. Martin asked them in the end of the interview, and they actually said "We don´t know", that´s when he gave them the job. Both of them did tell this in the Making off of GoT. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT! ;)
When your theories are facts.
THIS ISN'T HIS THEORY.
Goose man I know bro it's just a general statement.
Greg Vee, that was awesome.
Film Facts!
Greg Vee
However this never happens in the Books. Watch "The Order of the Green Hand" they have already explained that wasn't the case in the books in great detail.
Nice Matpat! You got this one Right but you also got the one about the mad Queen Right To Lets Gooo! 2 Theory's Confirmed!
Not his fucking theories
That one's not canon. Anyone who's seen the show knows that D&D didn't care about the story anymore, so neither I nor the fans see seasons 7&8, or really anything past the book adaptations as canon
@@rosegoldberg2469 it makes emotional and biological sense. Just because it didnt go the way you people wanted, suddenly its not cannon.
Rose Goldberg It was poorly led up to, but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
@@rosegoldberg2469 it my have had a disappointing ending but it’s the shows canonical ending not the books which will never be finished
“This detail is soooo important to the series”
*Ends up amounting to nothing since he was forced to give up any of his birthright.*
This
Forget Game of Thrones...that intro made me want to see a FULL EPISODE of Jon Snow on Jeopardy!
You know nothing Jon snow
Probably the most debated theory of GoT. Here's another fact: when Jon grabs the lantern and throws it at the wight, his hand is burnt. If he is a Targaryen, then like Viserys, he does not have immunity to fire.
Had to search to see what this actually was. Does anyone NOT bang on about this crap?
The Game Theorists trying to leach views ehh?
Shawn H Corey yes, and also like daenarys. No Targaryan has ever been immune to fire. Funeral pyre was a one time thing. However some Targaryans have a slight resistance to heat, like Dany and the scolding bath thing.
0:52 Well, I guess he *was* right...
He was actually right oh my god
HOW.DID.YOU.KNOW
I LITERALLY CAME HERE TO MAKE FUN OF HOW WRONG THE THEORY IS AND BOOM YOU WERE RIGHT
Your not alone mate
@@oneproudiranian4153 count me in
Honestly same
The theory has been around since the first book ffs
Zé Search r+l=j on youtube first result is a video explaining the theory which he states is already well known from a year before this video. This video is just a straight copy and paste of the already well known r+l=j theory.
They got lucky that Jon didn't have his father's hair. Would've been real hard to keep the secret then!
REALLY fuckin lucky, EVERY targaryen had silver hair other than him.
@@JBoxy7 rhaenyra targaryen had children with brown hair as well. this makes jon snow having brown hair not as weird, but thank god for plot armor haha.
nah you can dye your hair but imagine if he got his purple eyes
@@rosalia3755 sonsa dyed her hair
@@ig1441 the purple eyes wouldve given it away.
Excellent work! Now explain the doom of Valyria
Hi lasercorn!!!!!!!! INLIKE CORN
Lasercorn They explained it, both in the books and TV show.
lasercorn replying to MatPat = my two favorite youtubers together
Lasercorn you do nothing
Lasercorn super volcano. It went the way of Atlantis
All hail the King of the North, the White Wolf, true heir to the Iron Throne, Jon Targaryen of House Stark.
(knower of nothing)
white wolf you say?there is only ond white wolf and his name is not jon.its Geralt of Rivia the butcher of blavikan
+God-Emperor of Mankind It's actually snow or waters and he is the heir because he is a bastard technically but he is also the son of rhaegar targaryen who was the original heir before Roberts rebellion so making jon the heir but now that the lannisters are the royal house now that means jon is not really the heir but then again even though the targaryens were overthrown jon is still living making him a heir. So it is a bit up and down
only how will he claim his a targaryen.. sbeen bothering me..
+God-Emperor of Mankind New episodes confirmed it.
It’s almost creepy how correct MatPat’s Game of Thrones theories are, even years after they’re posted.
Almost like he steals fan thoeries...
Can't believe he was right so long ago
This theory is already well known and first theorised around 1996ish. This is just a straight copy and paste of r+l=j. With no credit given.
Really easy to be right when the whole internet was already aware of it
@@randominternetuser1681 and your comment is straight copy paste to reply to everyone in the comments section
song of ice and fire
now remove the g
🙀
Hit the g spot baby!
@Unique Azrael' Gaming yeah, but he didn't know that, and he later refuses to continue because of them being related. Danny doesn't seem to mind, though
this is the name of a book in the most recent episode
Holy sh*t!
Ok so can we please get an episode of Film Theory about why everyone everyone likes to kill off Sean Bean?
+Phil Lavigne Actually, Sean Bean has only died in about a third of his roles, and John Hurt, Bela Lugosi, and Vincent Price have all died more times than he has.
lol right
+Sumit Bedi - the best really.
wasn't there a thing where he said something like "I think I die in all my roles when producers realise my name doesn't actually rhyme" or roughly that
+Phil Lavigne They kill Sean Bean off because the Universe finds it humorous that his name never rhymes.
I clicked on this expecting to be like unlucky matpat but OMG he’s right that’s crazy 😂
This theory is already well known and first theorised around 1996ish. This is just a straight copy and paste of r+l=j
Thats just a fact
A film fact
Well season 7 is over and this is true
Tommy Rocco that means john slept with his aunt? * shudder*
Yes, yes it is :thinking:
Another true theory
Tommy Rocco he time travelled, 100%, how would he know this
Man I haven't seen it yet...
Well, 'YOUR' theory. It has been known for a while.
+Tristan Drijver this video was uploaded in june last year, but im pretty new to this whole R+L=J thing sooo.. yeah
Curryman Well, it was already pretty well known. Even back then.
Tristan Drijver oh, ok then :)
It is known.
frodo
You know actually....
You’re dead right.
Jon Snows name is Aegon Targaryen. Son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. King of the North, Knower of Nothing, The White Wolf, Son of Ice and Fire and True Heir of the Iron Throne.
And verified sad, sad boi
Lol knower of nothing
Still not as many titles as danerys Targaryen
Isn't Aegon Targaryen the baby dashed through the wall by The Mountain That Rides during the sack of Kings Landing? The son of Rhaegar from Elia Martell.
Knower of Nothing is gold. Solid gold.
Damn that is so correct. BTW any 2019s here?
Heyo!
If you want to know "anyone 2019 here" then sort by the new
I'm on season 6 right now
llewellyn jonkers sup
What’s popping
well he died, but if he sat at the throne as a white walker leader by the end of the series it would be so fucking awesome
He'll be back next season ;)
+wu tang yeah, I reckon that red witch will weave some magic,, like that other Lord of Light priest did in an earlier season.
+shorebreak69 except he will get burned before she can do anything
just let your imagination fly
+TheBodyOnPC born of salt and smoke
well now season 6 is over and i think this theory is true.
Mathias Haastrup Bohnfeldt it is bro. matpat actually called this and was right 100℅
Jonathan Colborne So now all snow has to do is find his aunt Dani
Mat Pat didn't call it. Book readers have been theorizing this before the show even started.
R+L=J.. everyone knew that..
how do book theory theorize the film, they have read the book and they should know :)
Even tho this was a theory long before you covered it, i really appreciate you going in depth and explaining it. I heard of it before and i wasn't really convinced, but this video really did convince me that the theory is true.
Yeah that's fair, just kinda scummy he didn't effectively acknowledge the pre-existing literature.
@@user-ts7tp1dh6f well if he was to give credit to every person who has talked about it the references in the description would be a mile long. At that point in time it was pretty much fanon and had a bunch of blogs dedicated to the theory. I personally do not get the demands for matpat to list everything that mentioned the theories beforehand and to get every detail perfect. He is very much an entry level channel into different fandoms. Not someone that can honestly be expected to know everything about every fandom. Very much a jack of all trades situation. If someone is really interested afterwards google is a thing.
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 That isn't at all what I suggested.
The pre existing literature is basically 'btw this has been a theory for 20 years'. Which, at that point, google becomes 'a thing'. Even if you're ludicrous burden was accurate, you're still wrong, as google isn't an apt tool for acknowledgement. They won't know to google this theory, and even if they did, they would be hard pressed t find R+L=J.
Don't bother defending MatPat, he is well and truly wrong.
@@user-ts7tp1dh6f you're wrong 💀
Anyone watching this theory after watching every single episode before season 8?
Anyone watching this theory after watching every single episode including season 8 except for one?
Hell yeah I'm here after the 5th episode from season 8
HE WAS RIGHTA WKFIENGOW
God daam
He didn't come up with the theory though book readers have been discussing it before the show even came out.
MR MEESEKS it's not his theory, it's been around for years and has been widely accepted
MR MEESEKS! Make it so that season 8 comes out earlier!
Hey Mr. Meeseeks, I have a request for you, and you'll get to stop existing quickly, can you get season 8 and the end of the series faster, thanks.
Please do a theory on how Samwell is so fat, despite the harsh weather and poor food condition at Castle Black.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150716180913.htm
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/why-you-cant-lose-weight-on-a-diet.html?_r=0
"Metabolic adaptation persists over time and is likely a proportional, but incomplete, response to contemporaneous efforts to reduce body weight."
TL;DR : Diets dont work. The brain fights starvation by modifying the metabolism (which he does after diets, hence they dont work very well over time). So Sam metabolism is probably already on high gear. OK, he should lose some weight anyway, but TV .. actors ... etc
That was a great read, but I'm still doubting. You said "Metabolic Adaptation persists over time," but when Sam suddenly moved from a rich castle to an incredibly poor castle, it's very likely that he had no time to adjust/adapt his suddenly changed metabolism. And a basic BMI calculation (with a confidence level of 95%) notes that he should've lost a lot of weight ONLY IF his world is same as our world.
In the world of Game of Thrones, there exist fire-breathing dragon, black magician, and witches. I'm sure Sam's fat body is a little less of a concern, compare to all the supernatural (in our perspective) things happen there.
Thx.
You guys realize you're debating whether Samfuckingwell being fat is normal in a TV series, right?
Adrien Goder You do realize you're suggesting in a youtube thread that what is debated might not be very productive/interesting/meaningfull/sane ?
Hm, true that. I'll just sit down and enjoy then
Wait, Daenerys and John have a thing goin’ on right? And if this theory is true then that means that Daenerys is in a relationship with her nephew. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Exactly. And it's true.
Yea
It’s not worse than having a relationship with your sibling *cough* *cough* CERSEI
Has anyone here ever look at Daenarys' family tree?????
It’s about time you figured it out
Season 7 must have been so satisfying for you! 🤗👍
I am just here to say that you were right !!!
6/27/2016 the day that Revealed everything :D
KING OF THE THEORY
+Rosalyn Williams I pledge my sword to House FilmTheory! And walk behind MatPat, The King of the Theories!!
He's God damn right!!
All hail The King Of The Theories
Long live the king!!!
Now that this theory has concluded it's time to start answering the real questions:
Exactly how drunk IS Tyrion?
Boi
@@user-sm6eq9ez3qi assume you cant wait a week either?
he knew
@@CrazyBoy-zu5ox for what?
@@slyceth for you it was 6 hours,now only 4
Damn Matt had the whole show figured out.
Edit: (spoilers?) I wish that Robert was Jon’s dad so that his “relationship” with Danny wasn’t so “Lannister-like”
It's more targaryan like. Their whole line had a large history of this.
This theory is already well known and first theorised around 1996ish. This is just a straight copy and paste of r+l=j
@@randominternetuser1681 it's funny how you say he copy and pasted...when that's what you've been doing on lime every god damn comment
GyroMurphy Well at least my comments original and not copied from around 2 decades ago. Regardless, how does that take away any meaning from my comment?
@@randominternetuser1681 well, yeah? The description literally tells us that, Matpat is just explaining and spreading the theory along.
Book readers been saying this since 1996....
oof
Thank you! I mean was Matpat really this oblivious or was he actively stealing the theory?
@@Jokkkkke Probably the former. He did the same with Harry Potter.
@@ginge641 Definitely the latter, look at the description of the video
it's a FILM theory not BOOK theory
As a "Bastard" myself, I approve your use of the term.
Wait really!?
@@DrunkMelon Being born out of wedlock really isn't as much of a big deal anymore. Yeah, there's the whole 'premarital relations' angle that some look down on, but it's not like you're going to lose out on land or title due to it?
@@chaossmith3864 Just religious bullshit, marriage shouldn't matter at all (except for tax reasons lol)
@@MichelleSK6 Overall fair. I was married in a courthouse tbh. Some like being married, but I don't agree how hard it's pushed sometimes. It's not for everyone, even if they're in a serious and committed relationship. Which I think is more than fair personally.
@@joffreybaratheon9044 your grace, are you alive?
"My watch has ended."-Jon
+Donavon Brewer best mic drop ever
And it didn’t matter at all.
Cheers, everyone.
Well he was spot on. I hope we defeat the White Walkers though. Winter Is coming everyone. Wrap up warm.
you know nothing, Jon Snow
THE KING OF THE NORTH!!!!!
How is this not pinned?
MatPat, pin Jon's comment!
Winter is coming....
Aaaaaaaand its gone
But, shes muh kweeeen!
If you could not act like you invented this theory I would appreciate it
Right?!
Infuriating.
+Michael Wiest Another fucking dumbass. Pay attention to the damn videos you are commenting on.
+Carothy I payed attention and he says on multiple occasions 'my theory is...' when it clear isn't HIS theory. It does sound a lot like hes trying to claim it as his own. If he wanted to acknowledge it's a fan theory he would've said 'the theory is'. But then again, who gives a fuck anyway.
+Jihadi Alan it's called source amnesia, where you have something in memory that's vague enough that you could of come up with it on your own, but you heard it somewhere else and just don't remember where you heard it. he likely just remembered the theory, and didn't remember from where. it's actually caused some legal issues before!
Holy shit I just got my mind blown.
Pizza_ 007 it's not his theory, it's been around for years and has been widely accepted
Pizza_ 007 my mind got BLON
I meant blown
I'm always amazed when you get videos like this released years before any kind of reveal and they are spot on
This theory is already well known and first theorised around 1996ish. This is just a straight copy and paste of r+l=j. And he gave no credit
Well done matpat, well done.
not hard to steal another theory
Holy shit you were right
John Doe
It could still be his. Just because someone worked it out before him doesn't mean he couldn't work it out independently.
+Woogull you're and idiot.
Goose man
Explain
John Doe OK, didn't notice. Thanks for pointing that out
Goose man He's worked out a lot of stuff that has turned out to be right, why couldn't he of thought this up by himself?
Jon Snow's real name: Jaehaerys II Targaryen.
Dwayne Johnson nah it's not.... Spoiler
from the leaks it's conformed it's Aegon
A6 Booj Oh really?
Btw there's no logic in both of our claims.
Ned Stark named him Jon after Jon Arryn.
So saying Jon Snow's real name is this doesn't really make sense lol.
A6 Booj Too many Aegons in GoT.
Raegar may have named him Aegon before dying. He could have told Lyana to name their son Aegon. Then Ned (seeing how the name was suspicious) changed it to Jon.
Wasn't Aegon the name is Rhaegar's first son?
9:08 you're walking on thin ice matpat thin ice
I really like the art throughout the video. Each bit is unique and has a nice style.
a SON of ice and fire
well... this is awkward.
conkersla Right?
conkersla Rip jon snow
conkersla
not really, at least not until you said awkward . now it's awkward , because of what you said
conkersla He did look pretty dead but he never took a "this is the obvious kill blow and you are dead" kind of blow and this is tv we're talking about. The fact that they never burned his body making him inevitably have to come back as a white walker was pretty suspicious to me. I think in some capacity he'll be back.
enginesnblades I haven't seen the show so I don't know how his death looked in that but there have been a ton of chapters that have ended with what could have been a character's death but it actually wasn't. My brother said that no one has every died in their own POV chapter. I can't confirm that to be 100% true but just in the fifth book chapters have ended with Asha Greyjoy being mauled in the head by a chieftain from a northern clan, Tyrion drowning in the Rhoyne, and Quentyn Martell being set aflame my Dany's dragon Rhaegal. Of the three, only Quentyn ended up dying but even that was three days later in Ser Barristan Selmy's chapter. Now, even if you were to assume that Jon Snow did die (which is probably what happened), in A Song of Ice and Fire death has a different meaning than that of the real world. Catelyn Stark has been resurrected into Lady Stoneheart by the red priest of myr. That guy, if I remember correctly, has himself been resurrected six times. Also, as you said, he could also become an white walker or wight. While I doubt that is what will happen, both R'hllor and the Other are capable other bringing the dead back from life. And while I doubt this is what will happen, another thing like this is when Qyburn brought the Mountain back to life (although I think it is just a shadow of the Mountain). Melisandre does know shadow binding (as made clear by how she killed Renly) and is extremely powerful (probably more so than the red priest of myr) so she could probably resurrect the dead. It is very possible that since Melisandre has seen Jon Snow a lot in her prophetic fires, she might think that Jon Snow is Azor Ahai (the person who once led the fight against the white walkers and is said to do it again in the current time) and will do anything to make him come back to life.
Well uh
He was right
Past MatPat would hate for GOT season 8 to exist
Another interpretation of Daenerys' vision of the throne room covered in snow could be: that by the time she reaches her seat that it will have been taken by the wights, the embodiment of ice.
dany winning would be a cliche
+Dane Robinson no it will be taken by Jhon SNOW
Salty Taco I think they will both take it together with another person because there are three dragons
+Dane Robinson Sansa
haltopen12 Sansa had that vision?
who is watching this after the season 7 finale?
More Muse me
Right here
More Muse
You should watch "The Order of the Green Hand" they have explained that this wasn't the case in the books. The show is inaccurate when compared to the books.
Uhh hi?
Me ( just finished the last season yesterday)
When you said "Ice..... and.... Fire" Goosebumps is still over me!
Mate really called this one
Wow- you actually passed this theory off like it was your own when it's been a huge fan theory for years.
What a scumbag
+Jason Casey I dont recall him ever claiming that it is his idea. He even says in the description "Popular fan theories about Game of Thrones have postulated that R + L = J, but what does that mean exactly? Is there the evidence to support it?"
+Jason Casey he didn't... he's pubicizing fan theories
+Jason Casey ur dumb dude, he said at the beggining that it was a popular fan theroy. he isnt trying to say its his
+Jason Casey You are the poster child of not listening and just commenting whatever stupid idea came out of your fucking head.
Not a theory anymore. NAILED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marcin Wyrozumski it's not his theory, it's been around for years and has been widely accepted
You got all Game of Thrones theories right man! Amazing!
IM CRYING HE WAS RIGHT AND I SCREAMED SO LOUD AND RAN TO WATCH THIS TO MAKE SURE I WASNT IMAGINING IT
OH MY GOD HE WORKED OUT THE MOST OBVIOUS ANSWER! HOW DID HE DO THAT?????
Its not his own theory. It was created after the first book was released about 20 years ago.
Borgos and it’s pretty obvious
Galaxy Reach He stole the theory and gave no theory. Search r+l=j first theorised in 1996ish
@@randominternetuser1681 hey you missed one ↑ don't forget to be right on that comment too
came back to tell you YOU MY FREIND WERE RIGHT!
SAME
Omg I was just about to tell him that bruh!
This theory is like 18 years old...
Except that it is not his theory, it's been a theory since 1996...
The king of the north Jon Snow
On another note.....Rhaegar and Elia's son Aegon is still alive in the books, so he is the rightful heir.
No, he's pretty dead. Unless you honestly believe that Young Griff is who he says he is.
Sofia A We shall see because i think Griff's story adds up. Plus Danyries pissed me off by doing nothing except have sex and boring sons of harpy politics in the fifth book, so i hope that he is a Targaryn cause reading Dany's parts was a chore.
Dingo D. Manhunter
Except Young Griff wasn't even introduced until the later half of the series. From a storytelling standpoint, that doesn't bode well for his overall importance to the story. Otherwise he would be a Deus Ex Machina. And the evidence actually points to him being a Blackfyre.
Don't get me wrong: You can still root for him even if he's not Rhaegar's son. Hell, about 100 years from AGOT half of Westeros would have argued that the Blackfyres has a better claim anyway.
+Dingo D. Manhunter *spoiler* he dies in the books
+Dingo D. Manhunter Well it's the three dragons thing or whatever in the book. One dragon is Deanarys, there's Aegon, and finally Jon
Good job dude! :D
Wow I just came back to this episode and this is hands down the best theory Matt’s ever succeeded at
"My theory is..."
It's not your theory.
KamikazethecatII If i find a theory online but then find more answers to that theory to add to it, it then becomes my theory because it has more to it, despite it's founding being from another individual so YES, this is his theory.
GamerHats He didn't find any more answers. Literally everything in this video has been said before.
hWhat're Yedoinson A theory can be considered yours if their is not distinct origin.
And sadly you're wrong, not word for word, i'm sure others said it in a different manner while still conveying the theory, so your rebuttal falls flat.
GamerHats So you are just an idiot. Do you really believe that he was the first one to come up with this? It doesn't fucking matter if there's no discernable 'creator', it's an extremely common theory.
I love how you talk as if you're the absolute authority on this, saying shit like "your rebuttal falls flat". You're seriously just being a fucking dolt about this, your argument makes less than no sense.
hWhat're Yedoinson And you're being incredibly aggressive to someone over a theory concerning a fictional universe. I've definitely heard this theory before, but it's an old one. So you're saying that the answer of the red woman reacting to his royal blood, which just happened, has been stated everywhere already? That the quote from Sean was used prior? I had never seen that quote brought up in any theory before now. Bring up some sources if you want, but don't be a dick.
Roose Bolton look like Putin to anyone else?
the dude from 007 does
+Dizzy gr Daniel Craig?
Your like the detective of film theories ,,, I should have watch this earlier all my questions would already be answered..... Good job love your channel
Jon: I’m Azurahigh and I will save Westeros!
Arya: well yes, but actually no.
Bran is Azor Ahai.
Great video! Not sure about the character choice as there are so many in GoT. Joffery was my favorite character. What a spiteful git! Love to hate and all that :-)
xisumavoid Ayy Xisuma you watch!
xisumavoid Joffrey? Damn, I wanted him dead everytime he had any appearence. Very well made character though, he really sells this "I'm a little bitch but I think I'm amazing" image well.
Pommes_Peter He may be the worst character, but DAMN! He's most definitely the best actor, how many actors could get people to hate them so much, even though they're actually a really nice person? Not sure about the exact number but Jack Gleeson did it and he did it good! He himself apparently can't watch the show 'cause he doesn't want to see himself being a complete little prick.
xisumavoid NO WAY. XISUMA WATCHES GAME THEORY AND GAME OF THRONES :o
xisumavoidHah. Small world.
Rhaegar and Lyanna were most probably Jon Snow's parents. But my theory is that Lyanna was already pregnant with Rhaegar's child before Rhaegar staged the whole thing to save Lyanna's honor. It was necessary because If it became known she was impregnated by a married man while already betrothed to Robert Baratheon, it would have disgraced both her and House Stark. By staging the abduction, they probably thought King Aerys would only compel Rhaegar to return Lyanna to Winterfell once her family petitioned for her. From there, her honor would remain intact even if she was found to be pregnant since she'd be a rape victim instead of a willing concubine. What they didn't count on was that King Aerys would actually murder Lord Rickard and Brandon Stark when they petitioned for her release. And when Ned 'rescued' her later, Lyanna who was dying after giving birth confessed everything to him. This is why Ned seemed to harbor no hatred towards Rhaegar despite all the evil things attributed to him by his enemies. And to protect his nephew, Ned claimed Jon as his own bastard son to save him from Robert's jealousy and the rebels' desire to erase the Targaryen bloodline.
Message from October 2019: you were right!
Oh wow you so nailed this one.
lol Matt you can't actually be trying to take credit for this theory, can you? This theory has been around since long before the show was even made. Hear it here first? Hardly... I also like how you used an illustration of Ashara Dayne whilst talking about Wylla.
(Edit: The problem isn't in presenting old information, it's in presenting it as your own. They teach you this every year in high school. I think someone posted the time in the video as 5:00 where my frustration comes from. "MY theory" and "a popular theory I would like to share with you all" are two different things)
Raspberry Wulf there are a LOT of people who don't know this and it's a theory worth discussing
Yuro Lohe The best part of 'Holier than Thou book readers', is that the show is going to spoil the books for them.
Yuro Lohe I didn't say it wasn't worth discussing.
Yuro Lohe And that's why there are other tons of videos discussing this same theory, but NONE of them called them THEIR theory (5:00). Minor detail? Yes. Important? Very. Considering there are channels here in CZcams solely discussing all the theories in ASoIaF brought up by the fanbase.
TheGuimo95 yeah that probably was too much but I didn't care since I've heard some "facts" that I have not previously seen
Ooops......there goes that theory
Patrick McCarthy Just witnessed it.
Yup it's a shame
K.G Guido
But you guys forgot who came to the wall not too long before that scene
Patrick McCarthy unless he gets resurrected and no longer has to serve the nights watch. Fingers crossed.
cloudburstlia456 cmon Thats not marvel universe
Well damn, well done MatPat. You got it right.
Awesome just completed game of thrones in 2020 your theory was spot-on job well done truely awesome keep it up 👏👏👏
R+L=J has been a theory since the first book
cool
Well it's a FILM theory not a book theory
@@captaink8093 Your point being?
@@user-ts7tp1dh6f he's mostly talking about the FILM version of GoT also really? your watching a video about game of thrones when it ended months ago
@@captaink8093 Ok, I was really hoping that wasn't your point lmao. Because it isn't even close to a reasoned argument.
There existed sufficient evidence in film and book to conclude this R+L=J. Showcased by the fact that the argumentation runs the same due to the same source material.
I'm not sure what the 'really?' is meant to imply. I'm allowed to watch whatever fucking video I want, GoT being finished doesn't phase it out of existence, I can still be curious about talentless hacks stealing content.
You were freaking right!!! The theorys are strong in this one!
MadsLR he read the book
yeah excep thtis isn't in the books yet...
Still not really his theory, this has been theorised by fans for a decade.
MadsLR it's not his theory, it's been around for years and has been widely accepted
I just watched GOT just to be able to watch your theories and I am amazed you figured that out in SEASON 5
This was such a well put together argument, very convincing and logical
Jon died so we'll have to wait till season 6 to see if he's sitting on the throne or not, maybe they missed all his vital organs, or is going to come back a whitewalker
ttimo123456 or they'll put a portrait of him on the throne.
ttimo123456 No way, he's dead. The entire army stabbed him.
Annie Trinity what army?
atanas petkov I didn't know what to classify the Night's Watch as. A platoon? An infantry? I don't know military words.
Annie Trinity They're a watch, they watch over the wall, that's why they're called the nights watch.
Done with season 7 and I'm amazed how this theory is damn true. Never disappoints.
Just finished season 6 on a big binge and wow, good job man.
This will go down to film theory history. A truly amazing theory, indeed.
Although the R+L=J theory has been around for quite some time, it was cool to see it presented this way. Can't wait for next week's GoT themed episode!
DrinkDrankDrunk I loved the recap of Sean Beans performance. He obviously knew and his acting really played well into it. I think once the series is done it will be amazing to watch that first season again knowing everything. Sean is a great actor, I wish his characters didn't die so much.
Travis Bewley It would actually make sense for the directors and producers to tell Sean Bean, but nobody else in the cast. That way he can act appropriately. I like to think they did tell the actor for that very reason, or that he also read the theory and agreed with it
This theory is rather new, and MatPat so far is the only one to make it this clear and adding more proof.
Mage Rabbit No it's not, and I didn't get any new evidence from this video and I've only read the first fucking book. Get your facts straight.
Darth Vader
Wow, I have never read a comment that completely ruins there creditably and Completely contradict themselves at the end. "Slow claps"
Holy shit you were right.
It's not his theory. He had no part in making it, it has been around since the late 90s/early 2000s and was widely accepted before season 6 and 7 even came out.
Shut up Kunfuxu -.- and you wonder why no one likes you
+kunfuxu ...theories are like opinions. Not inventions. They can be shared.
Personally, I had the theory that Itachi wasn't evil since his first appearance in Naruto? Did I invent that idea? No. The author did. He was the one who created it, intentionally making sure to leaves clues that viewers could track through after said revelation. Likewise for this sort of theory. The author created a theory, provided lore that would reveal the truth, and many people noticed what the author created. Many people would gather these clues and share this opinion - this theory.
Blue Moon he's right. This video literally has no content.
Cole Recksiedler
Not in the books however.
The show is very inaccurate compared to the Books. Watch "The Order of the Green Hand" to learn more of the true lore.
Jon could sing the real song of ice and fire,
Or
He could just hang out with his friends north of the wall.😅
Chrono Trigger and Chao Garden music. Literal music to my ears, love it. Good job on this theory, lol
"Tower of titulation" I'm dying
Valentine Romana Hi
anlashock hey
A major clue contributing to a likely return of Jon would be that he's Robb's heir; Robb's will named Jon Snow as his successor, legitimising him and entitling him to the Stark name and position as head of the family, and Lord of Winterfell. As mentioned more than once in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, a legitimised bastard typically reverses the colours of their banner, as seen in the context of the Blackfrye rebellion. The Stark banner is a grey wolf on a white background - if we reverse this, we're left with...A White Wolf on a grey banner. That sounds like quite a subtle, but important clue that GRRM might have included in the texts. If we take this into account, together with the prophecies and Melisandre's visions in the flames (man to wolf to man again, warging to avoid death before taking back a revived body?), and the voiding of the Watch's vows (since he technically died), we're left with a Jon Stark who is able to march under a banner of a White Wolf. That's just too good to be a coincidence...
+Joseph Sosa I see what you did there
+Jamie Grech It is never confirmed that Robb named Jon his heir
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Watching in 2019 with so much respect. Good job!
Like how you used the Chrono Trigger music in the background, it goes well with the story :)
Guys everyone already knows the theory. He isnt claiming as his own. But he did provide his own evidence and ideas that furthered the theory... Stop being pricks
And it was posted over a year ago...
at 5:04 ' my theory is that...'
Saying "my theory" is like saying it's the theory he subscribes to. It's not a claim to originality, just a claim to belief. The creator of the video even states in the description that it's a popular fan theory. I think this video is great because it's the most thorough explanation of the theory out there.
+Oisin McPhillips you must be slow -_-
Meh, not really breaking any new grounds here with this theory. Also, not a fan of only 3 choices at the end for favorite character, especially since GoT is notorious for having so many people.
Frostarrowsz Don't worry...this was just a primer for people unfamiliar with the series. NEXT WEEK's will BLOW YOUR MIND!
The Film Theorists Jon snow can't become the king. The vale of the wall (Sorry my English) said something about that he won't ever become a king and they would never own anything or something like that and JON is REALLY loyal to the wall and the rules. Like he killed a guy because he didn't listen to him.
The Film Theorists I loved it ^_^
The Film Theorists
Looking forward to it!
Lumicat12 well, if i remember rightly once you take the black you are disinherited. You essentially get rid of your old personna in all but name and personality
Dammit matpat this is why I love your shows. SPOT ON!
I loved the Majora’s mask music at the end it was genius and perfect
I definitely believe the whole R+L=J theory, but I don't know if it was "love" that caused Rhaegar to take Lyanna. I like the more practical approach to the characters. Rhaegar was obsessed with the prince who was promised prophecy and he probably saw Lyanna as a way to see that it was fulfilled.
There must be three heads of the dragon. Additionally, he was naming his children after the original three heads. First, Rhaenys, then Aegon. If he had had another daughter, I bet my life he would have named her Visenya.
Shakira Daley That could be true. Lyanna was described as wild and fierce (like Arya). This may have enamoured the young prince, especially if she was the Knight of the Laughing Tree.
Shakira Daley Why are you quoting the books? I agree with you.
Absolutely it was love - first and foremost
I believe Rhaegar would have seen their love for each other as fated so as to bring about the prophecy.
And he was right.
Knowing Lyanna (from what the characters say about her), like Ned she would have died rather than dishonour herself for a man she was not madly in love with. That is, if she didn't love/want him she would have fought to the death to stop it from happening.
They were both foolish but maybe the ends justify the means and besides, they died once they'd fulfilled the prophecy.
I agree in that under what condition Jon Snow was conceived isn't the focus, although I like to think it was love, but the fact the it happened is the important part.
it is really funny how i watched this at the end of season 6 and you were right
Nice touch with the Oath to Order at the end there
Fun fact, 7 years after this picture @1:25 nothings changed