There's Something Wrong With The Boston Celtics...
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2023
- Let's take a look at the Boston Celtics and why they haven't gotten over the hump yet. Enjoy!
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The “your turn,my turn” plays of tatum and brown needs to change if they want to be successful in playoffs. Just look at the two teams playing in the finals right now especially denver, the dynamic between their stars is incredible. If one of them don’t want to take a backseat we might see an addition by subtraction kind of move next season.
The problem with them is that Tatum and Brown don't play off each other. They are a good duo, but it is more like they operate separately but in the same team. They don't compliment each other like Jamal and Jokic, look how little they assist each other. Either they trade Brown for a point guard or find a connector for them as Golden State has with Draymond, who connects Steph and Klay. Finding that middleman is crucial, as both of them are average to below playmakers.
Maybe Draymond himself! Otherwise, good point!
Correct. They need to trade one of them to a player that will compliment the one remaining. A star center or guard.
Brown for Haliburton/Dray/Cp3
Tatum ain't gonna do that. Give brown the stage to be the mvp. Tatum is selfish asf. Mamba ME mentality.
Also trade smart, DPOY flopping all the time is embarassing, leaving opponent wide open, when refs don't give him a call anymore
Boston Packers I mean Boston Celtics are always in the mix, one round from the championship, but are missing something to become that next level!! Stop settling for shooting 3s!!! Drive to the basket!!!
accurate comparison 💯
What they need is a real playmaker. Tatum and Brown are kind of the same player and dont complement eachother. They literally have everything else.
@@alexandermeiering5216cp3 👀
@@alexandermeiering5216Nah Brogdon and White are good enough but maybe if they let their pgs actually handle the ball then they would be way better
@@RefRed_King Cp3 would be so good on the Celtics
What the Celtics need
1. A playmaking point guard (like a CP3)
2. A real defensive power forward that can play next to Robert Williams
3. A coach with an offensive philosophy that relies less on the 3 and more on efficient ball movement
Nah this squad is done. Time to break it up. None of them got heart and choked when it matters
Maybe Brad Stevens could be the coach the Celtics needed but i don't know will he want to coach or continue to be the executive?
Al Horford and Rob Williams play extremely well together and Grant Williams plays well next to him too. As well as Tatum when he plays the four.
Yeah, let's add CP3 and see how they can implode some more, when the old man folds his hamstring again halfway
Coaching is the main difference, not all - but most of the issues are in this.
Just look at Spo and Malone - they are _years_ into their system(s). The players can help _each other_ get up to speed.
Mozula is talented but in way over his head at times, and through no fault of his own. D loses consistency and iso goes up in a fundamentally less-reliable and less-flexible system.
1:45 You forgot to mention that Derrick White won All-Defensive 2nd Team this season and he's not included in the 3 Celtic Player to have defensive player vote last season. The defensive talent of this team is insane.
Curse of the little guy. The way the Celtics treated Isaiah Thomas makes players reluctant to go all out for this team. Anthony Davis specifically ruled them out when he demanded a trade. I don't believe his feelings were unique.
I was pretty shocked they didn't keep it.
Also how they handled the Ime Udoka situation was grimy AF
@@buddylee5712 how
That’s bullshit…keeping IT would have set the team back, plus he was traded to LeBron’s Cavs…so they didn’t exactly dump him to a lottery team. And Udoka screwed himself by screwing with the owner’s wife.
@@giantrobot9000 not abt keeping IT but how the treated him with the injury, by telling him he’s healthy and then when he re injuries himself you trade him
I think the offensive strategy is the main problem. The iso dependence makes their half court offense stagnant in the second half, especially. Brown puts the blinders on and can't even see a basic dump down pass when driving. The team's talent isn't maximized by how they play. They need an offensive-minded, experienced assistant coach
Celtics have terrible offense. You can’t win consistently by taking tough shots. The Warriors used their amazing motion offense to get easy dunks, layups, lobs, tip ins. The copycats think it’s all about jacking up contested threes.
an what about tatum bricking 3s turning it over against players much shorter than he is 🤔 y'all need to get off that bums nuts an realised he's LITERALLY the reason this team don't have a chip RN .
@@TomCruz54321 i don't think their offense is terrible; it's just not flexible enough to win consistently in the playoffs. The talent to score is mostly there, but the sets they run just don't make sense for a team trying to compete for a championship. A 4th quarter Tatum isolation or a contested 3 from him inspires no confidence at all. Brown needs to become a better off ball player if they do decide to keep him. The two of them remind me of the CP3-Harden Rockets where they didn't really perform that well together; I think this team's potential might be capped by having the two of them together rather than a 2nd start that can initiate an offense with actual good passing. I've heard so much about Tatum becoming a better distributor, but that is literally just homer bullshit. Tatum is not a good passer or playmaker- he just has the ball so much he can't help but get assists
@@slightexag 100% agree about Brown and mostly agree about Tatum I thought he improved under Ime as a playmaker but reverted back to pre Ime Iso ball non sense this year, Brown should be known as one of the best players off the ball running around screens, cutting to basket etc.. I think Brown might be checked out of Boston though, even if he gets the supermax this year I see him forcing his way out next year
yea if tatum was a consistently great iso player like kawhi, then I could see this kind of offense working.
It’s definitely on coaching. Joe completely changed the identity of this team from a defensive focused team to an offensive one. It was right back to the spam 3 offense that kept them from the Finals when Brad Stevens was still coach (and encouraged that offense too) when you love and die by 3 point shooting only, it never ends well.
Shooting 3s after 3s after 3s... like wtf?!? 🤦🏽♂
I never been more disgusted with seeing players lunching 3 pointers as much as with my Celtics!
For real. They didnt even try to use size and ball movement over the much smaller heat team. It blew my mind watching them get back into the game then shout themselves back out of it.
I think they also lacked leadership and plain looked sluggish out there. Definitely didn’t deserve to win that series and that’s sad
@@fleafinder2972 Totally agree and exactly like I was thinking when watching them. Only passing out of desperation, no real ball movement to get guys into rhythm.
They never showed any sense of comradery. Very difficult to watch as a fan since 80s.. this was NOT the Celtics way to ball
They’re missing two things here!!! A floor general point guard who can facilitate offense and another young big who can pair up with Robert Williams and dominate the paint!! They get that and they should be in the finals again!!
they had kyrie and couldnt do jack shit
They aren't missing floor generals they just need to use them. Thier problem is 100% coaching
Cp3 gonna sign with them
@@charlesroberson6118 exactly. Their problem is shitty coaching and management. They’ll always hit a ceiling if they rely on smart as their primary ball handler. He’s simply not good or smart enough
Nope.
What they are missing is what the two teams in the finals r n HAVE that the Cs DON'T.
Spo and Malone are both 5+ years into implementing their ****SYSTEM(s).****
I feel like the Celtics biggest issue is overconfidence. They approach every game like it's just another game and they can win at anytime. Atlanta should have been a gentleman's sweep. Philly shouldn't have went 7 but you can't account for two buzzer beaters by James Harden. The Heat always plays them close but there was no excuse to be down 3 - 0 especially when you look at how they went down 3 - 0. I guess you could say they saved face by coming back and tying it and Celtics fans can hide behind the Tatum was injured excuse but they never should have went 7 with Miami.
Saw this while watching the Porzingris trade, could be great run for them next season.. hope Mazzulla figure out how to gel this guys together
Celtics might be in the same situation as the raptors with DeRozan was. Talent wise they have enough but they just can’t get over the bump and perhaps need someone who will
Jaylen Brown simply needs a massive transformation in his game. I mean yeah sure he and Jayson Tatum were like score-first guys but they have to elevate each other like with Jokic and Murray. I know it may not be possible but it's a must.
yeah atleast play like Butler, when shots arent falling, atleast set up his teammates.
@@MiddleClassNaPobre Yeah
@@MiddleClassNaPobre Their basketball idols are T-Mac and Kobe respectively, doubt they are down to changing their iso style
@@underpressure07140 Tatum has shown to be a great passer at many times I'm more worried about brown changing his ways compared to tatum
He is really horrible... but the c maybe need to pay him much to keep him... nba teams now giving out big money to trash players become vy usual... (mpj, ayton, zion... u name it)
Thats only on paper. Actually i totally agree on Draymond's take on Al Horford's part in this team. Plus on top of that,you all can say whatever you want,but to me Marcus Smart is piece that needs to be changed.
Smart has needed to be changed for 4+ years. He was never meant to be a starting PG who shoots a lot. They would have won a few chips by now if they didn’t start him at point. That was their critical flaw
People forget how long it took the Nuggets to get this good. Give teams time to evolve.
The Celtics are with this core for around the same time as the Nuggets, some players even before that like Marcus Smart.
They have so much potential and this video describes what needs to be changed. Don't forget tho that the locker room isn't great either with Jaylen Brown always one foot away from the team for the last 3-4 years
the issue here is Bostons core went to the ECF their first year together and we're 1 win away from the finals. This team has looked ready to break through the glass ceiling for years and just haven't. You could make a lot of reasons for it but really, they just come up small at the worst times. Tatum has been regarded as a top 10 player for 2 years but when it's time to show it he simply doesn't. Their stars don't perform when they need to perform and I don't see that changing.
@@Nothereman9999 For me it's all about play style and the system. They have probably the most complete roster with huge depth and great role players who embrace their role.
So it ends up to the two stars of the team, Brown and Tatum. A more team oriented play style which emphasizes ball movement is all they really need. In the playoffs so far they seem to play hero ball with not enough players moving so their offense becomes very predictable.
It took the nuggets less time than it's taken the Celtics lol
Your ignorance is on display
The problem is that it’s been “only a matter of time” for like 5 seasons now 😞
Fr as much as people want to keep making it seem like they're on the cusp of becoming champions, the reality is it's just a case of mental focus. Team doesn't have any mental fortitude when it comes to getting themselves over the hump. We've been saying that they can do it if they just get a little more time. But the problem is once Tatum and Brown have to be paid Max contracts. They effectively will not have any depth whatsoever. Once that happens, there's a very real chance of the window is closed because these two have been together for more than six seasons now, and they've yet to be able to make themselves work together as a duo.
Also I’m happy you pointed out tryna win with 3s leads to volatile results and GS broke the mold by having two unbelievable shooters and a coach that built a sound gameplan around this
The amount of losses Bostons had to lower seeded teams is what's made them disappointing. Up 3-2 on Lebrons bad Cavs team in 2018. Losing to Miami in 2020 & 2023 was unacceptable. Then allowing the warriors to bully them in the finals was pretty bad too. Idk I feel like each year that goes by, the Nets can feel a little better after that 2013 trade debacle.
losing to the warriors was acceptable. But losing to the heat in those 2 playoffs was not, especially in 2023.
The Celtics need a seasoned coach who can keep the rampant superstars in check and can make good in-game adjustments... I'm not blaming Joe for this season coz he's new and a very young coach who had too much on his plate on his very first assignment
With Tatum and Brown and good complementary pieces you’d think the Celtics would take that next step and get over the hump. But that hasn’t been the case.
Hasn't been the case , because they're keeping taBUMs soft ass as the #1 option , but failed to realize that he's the SOLE reason they don't have a chip RN , an the system is build for his play style 🗑
TATUM ain't a leader , nor an alpha : he's a beta male who's mentally weak doesn't like contact an CHOKED on the biggiest stage 🗑
Tbh the Lillard- Brown trade is very good for both teams, Lillard is a better player right now but Brown has better upside over time. Lillard solves the need of a floor general for Celtics and only Luka, Embiid, Steph and Jokic were better/equal offensive players compared to him. Tatum and Brown don't have very good synergy and neither to Anfernee and Lillard. This trade allows Celtics to push all their chips to go all in for the next few seasons and it kickstarts a very nice young portland team with Brown, Anfernee, Grant, Scoot/Miller and Sharpe.
It's a shame that the Boston Celtics are such a strong team right now that they haven't won a championship.
I miss the Celtics when Larry Bird was there.
Kinda sad bird career end early..Dude are in the way to be greatest player yet been hampered by career ending injury...Don't forget he got 6-0 vs Jordan in playoff and also have more head to head vs Jordan... Imagine if he not Injured
@@mrboast2826 i mean its not like his career was like Bill Walton who was injured a whole lot, bird still had a great career. 3 rings, 3 mvps, 2 fmvps, considered one of the greatest shooters of all time and one of the greatest players ever, kinda hard to look at his career as a what could've been since we know what his career was
@@MrChillguy7 I mean he could achieve more or match Magic rings and also he could also become Boogeyman for Bulls and Jordan ...
That's why i get mad when they compare Bird to that bum tatum who consistently underperforms when it matters.
Man trae young in this team would be crazy. His bad defence would’t matter because they could hide him. If I’m the Celtics I’d do anything I can to get a player like that
I'd kill to be the coach of the Celtics. I think most people would. They are overflowing with talent and all they're missing is a system that keeps everyone involved.
Everyone acts like this extremely talented team with loads of all defensive and all NBA players somehow needs an all star point guard to be successful which should be embarrassing for the Celtics. This team is overflowing with talent.
All they need is to spend this off season turning Brown into more of an off ball threat and a coach who implements more motion and ball movement into their sets and for the team to actually buy in and get out of their heads.
If I was on the Celtics team or staff and heard people rambling about how we're just short a CP3 or Dame to contend I'd be embarrassed to no end. That team is dripping with talent and untapped potential.
Cs are the most consistent team in the NBA for last 7 years. Like 4 ECF. Very hard to be so good for this stretch. However, this year the team looked overconfident, lazy and compliant. Also you are right Brown & Tatum don't help each other. I think the worst idea is getting some washed 32+ star. They need to trade Brown for someone who matches Tatum timeline.
Trade Brown and Brogdon for a Pure Point Guard and a Sharp Shooter. The biggest mistake was forcing Brown to be a playmaker.
Funniest shit when brown can't dribble and hit his foot all the time. The guys at the y csn dribble better
Give actual examples and not archetypes, while making sure that the other team agrees. Make your opinion more supported
"for a pure point guard and a sharp shooter" And who exactly is that? There is no package out there that will help Tatum next playoffs more then Brown right now unfortunatly.
Find that Pure point guard youre taking with the same value as Brown and Brogdon..
Nobody forced brown to be a playmaker. Smart and Brogdon and White are supposed to do that. What happened was Brown getting caught in isolation, and then he chose to play iso ball in traffic and got creamed.
Gallinari looks so fly with his Italian street clothes on the bench.
andy when you will talk about trade rumors? the dame trade rumours lookin spicy man 🔥
This is an excellent breakdown. It cuts to the heart of the Celtics core failing: the Two Jays don't have synergy and it's costing them. A team with primarily two hero ball types is going to fall to pieces when up against a gritty team like the Heat, or a well-oiled machine like the Nuggets.
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I think it's more of a "something is missing".
I noticed for years now, whenever Boston is in a cold streak, nobody rallies them back up (and apparently, Horford can't provide that since I just saw him sulking at the bench when they were against Miami).
I think the missing piece is someone who will take the lead / lead by example, when the going gets tough; they needed that veteran leadership who will instill the right mentality in the game, especially in crunch time. All those late turnovers can signify being rattled under pressure; again, something that can be mitgated by a vocal veteran.
Cp3
None of them got heart, no leader, and no real head coach. Time to break them up and rebuild
Personnel and injury dynamics were minimal from l y.
_The most relevant Q is: What do the two teams in the finals r n have that the Cs do not ?_
The A: Spo and Malone are both 5+ years into implementing their ***SYSTEM(s).*** The Cs just spent the last 9-10 months trying to improvise and re-jig theirs because their coach had just (effectively) _vanished_ in a scandal.
imho that is the biggest issue, as it affects everything on the court constantly.
@@lucky889s9 They need a veteran player in there who will force them to have some heart and a veteran coach who will set some fire under their a__es.. and a different system to play in as well..
@@kenrickeason nah, not with inconsistent tatum and brown attitude. Brown can't even dribble without hitting his foot. Horford is done
dang bro you sounded cheesed out at the end 😂
Wow!! I've been a die hard bleed green Celtics fan for about 30 years now since I was 6 or 7 and this is the BEST analysis on this years Celtics team!! It's a conundrum. Scary accurate though! wish THEY would watch this!!
However I tend to agree with local Boston criticism and analysis and we are not a fan of Mazula because they LOST their defensive identity and they need a playmaking PG. Too many of the same players. Can't panic. Need to find 1 or 2 pieces before re-signing 2 Super Max contracts
They have a fine talented squad. But it feels like theyre just playing a pick up game way too often. The way they came out in game 7 is so telling.
Meanwhile Malone and Spoelstra have their teams ready for war. And better than that, they run actually run tactics.
It’s crazy how unforgiving sports is cause this team been to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years for sure and 4 out the last 6 and I think everyone feels a major change is needed ie one of their two stars (likely Brown) getting moved
When your top two players are gunners and don’t elevate others. This puts a ceiling on how far you can go.
So much talent has been there over the last decade
They were struggling a lot against the Hawks, barely won against the Sixers. Turnovers and poore shot sellection cost them a ring this year.
That game 43 point game by Curry literally crashed their souls, they never been the same after that game 4, they supposedly what the Nuggets are now, they literally not same anymore after that 2022 Finals. If they won that 2022 title last season maybe we gonna see more of them.
We rely too much on 3 point shooting, sometimes our games are dictated by how well we shoot the 3 that game which is not good at all. Plus Tatum is still too inconsistent to make the jump to MVP, Brown is still our most consistent player night in and night out but he needs to tighten his ball handling so he can stop committing unforced turnovers.
It seems also we play better when our backs are against the wall like being on the verge of elimination. We get complacent way too quick during most games which is why we blow leads. Joe needs to improve on his rotations, calling timeouts during the right moments and incorporating more drive sets to balance out the 3 point shooting.
1. They need a PG like Rondo, not a SG playing the PG role (combo guard). Rondo knew when and when not to shoot.
2. They need to coach that make adjustments during the game
3. The players need to improve their basketball IQs
4. They need better bigs that are not afraid to shoot in the paint. (ie. Al Horford passing the bal, in the paint, while being defended by smaller defenders is frustrating)
Backup center for robert williams, who is very injury-prone. An assistant coach that has EQ skills like Darvin Ham
Andy, do one on the Lakers again I would love to see it🎉
Great Video. My 1st Comment is that no team can expect to win it all every year. Making it to 5 Conf Finals in. 7 years is a Great Record. The Warriors only did it 4 times.
The Celtics' Weakness is at the 4 and 5. Al Horford has had a Great Career, but he's past his peak. Robbie Williams is their best player for Defense and Rebounding (Smart is the best at Defending the 1-2), but he is Weak on Offense, especially in the Playoffs. Playing Tatum at the 4 is not a good option agains the bigger teams like Milwaukee and Denver. Good Luck to the Celtics at Drafting/Developing/Trading for a Player like DeAndre Ayton, Xavier Tillman or a young Udonis Haslem.
A floor general would be a great add but just a change in offensive philosophy would really help this team get over the hump imo.
Great video as always Andy but I disagree on Joe Mazzula needing a full off-season with the team. He was the assistant for the previous 3 seasons, he learned from Udoka. I think the team is missing the floor general and better coaching than Mazzula. Maybe the new more experienced assistants they are hiring might help but I believe they already hit their ceiling as a team.
Such a shame that a team like the Boston Celtics put themselves in such a high standard that they haven’t won a championship in over 15 years
I mean that’s even unbelievable
But they do need a floor general PG who can facilitate offense
andy please make a content about wembanyama and how to spurs tank for him 😊
Not a problem..we were supposed to be in a rebuilding stage in 2017..We made the Conference finals...and then did it 4 OTHER years AFTER that (plus a finals last year)...We are 1 or 2 mid pieces away from completing the task, that to me is not "Trouble"..Its progress because the roster is young..nobody besides Al Horford are in their 30's. We will get over the hump, we just need a 2nd year with Mazzula and a big. RELAX
This team needs a leader! A respected veteran headcoach. The talent is there. 5 wins short of an NBA title! Everybody needs to place more effort on the details everygame. Secure the #1 seed! Defend home court! Play and improve every game!
7:22 I not so sure about that in regards to defense.
7:33 What’s next? Smart goes to Memphis, Porzingis comes to Boston, Grant Williams goes to Dallas for Reggie Bullock.
They have a great team (probably the best in the nba) but they don't have a plan B and keep chucking up 3s hoping to win. I think they need a better coach or assistant coaches to help both sides of the floor and call better timeouts too.
That turnover stat is wild
I feel Boston does not need to shake it up to get "better". Any shake-up would be side-grading overall pros and cons. Consistency and better offense adjustments in the playoffs and they get a championship.
Next biggest issue for the "almost but not quite" has been injuries. Their healthiest run got them to the finals. Heck one of those conference finals they had 4-5 key players injured and got 1 game away from the finals. It is like because they lost in game 7 to Lebron that year, people forget they were heavily injured.
Boston many didn’t know many players was injured
Brown was injured
Face mask and stitches from a cut in his hand
Tatum got injured on the 7th game ankle
Robert came from a injury operation
Brogdon was injured
Danilo injured
Blake injury
So the fact we made it that far with all those injury proves if we was healthy we be destroying anyone
Boston needs a really good PG, not Marcus Smart. Unless he’s coming off the bench for that position, you’re never going to win with him starting. I know he is a great player, but in the biggest moments of the Celtics playoff games in the past half decade or more, he always seems to do something wrong. Especially when he decides to jack up a three. I call him Marcus Not So Smart because he’s just not that guy in the clutch. If he was a bench player though, he’d be perfect. I don’t think they could get someone like Dame unless you trade Brown, which might actually not be a bad idea, but you would want to pair Dame up with Tatum and Brown instead of just one of them. Although he’s not much of a facilitator and lacks the defense of Smart and Brogdon. Lol I’m glad I’m not the GM for this team, there is a lot of stuff they need to fix.
I'm a huge Celtics fan, always have been, and I've been a staunch defender of Jaylen Brown. Last season during the trade rumors, I actually said I'd prefer they traded Tatum instead. But after this past playoff run, I've definitely soured on Brown, and the team as a whole. I love all our guys, but they just don't click as a team. They are all great individual talents, but they dont compliment each other the way that they should. When they get hot, yeah it's like NBA Jam (see also: Game 7 vs the Sixers) But more often than not, Theres no ball movement, there is no chemistry. The past decade they've assembled the greatest collection of individual talents in league history perhaps, and on paper they should have been a Dynasty. Unfortunately things just didnt click. I'm not sure what the solution is, but they seem to need more floor guidance, more playmaking on the court and from the bench, as most of the time they give off pickup game vibes. I'd bring in another big man and most importantly, a playmaker like Chris Paul or Bradley Beal before committing their future to Jaylen Brown and co.
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Keep the core, add some big man that can provide rebounding ability. Joe mazulla needs adjustment on the offense absolutely. Celtics had a very good player to be champions next season.
I think if they could get CP3 really cheap, will be good for them.
Still waiting for days on videos about the pre-LeBron Cavs, the new CBA and what's next for the teams that have been eliminated from the 2023 Playoffs.
I’ve been told Brad Stevens is a genius. Have yet to see it as coach or GM.
i think they are missing another star or a point guard that can make things flow they don't have that too many one on one plays
Their two superstars are also two of the most inconsistent players in the leauge whose primary skillset overlap greatly with one another
1.) They need a real point guard
2.) They need a bigger paint presence
They need to put Brown into the Klay Thompson role of just cutting, getting catch and shoots, and attacking closeouts, cause he just can't put the ball on the floor well enough to be a trusted shot creator, and if he's not willing to do that, you ship him off and hopefully get back a solid wing and other compensation. Maybe pair him with Smart and whatever picks they can trade for a really good ball handler if one's available.
They're like the NBAs version of the Buffalo Bills. Best roster in the league top to bottom but haven't gotten over the hump. To be fair even the title favorites only get like 20% odds to win it at the start of the year. Winning is hard. Its hard to say if they should shake up the core or not this offseason. It worked for the Raptors with Kawhi but that was a ridiculously ballsy move that just so happened to work. A circus shot in game 7 might the only difference between that being the best move in Raptors history and a move that immediately killed off the best era in team history. If I'm the Celtics I really dont know what I do next other than run it back and see what happens
Seem like the problem is the coach Udoka was perfect for them and I know damn well he wouldn’t have let them go down 3-1 in the ECF if he was still there
They fell apart completely 4 games or so later under Udoka in the finals..
Personally, I think they need changes. Brown & Tatum might be more potent used in seperate lineups. Bringing a guard that can dish well can really set both of them up, instead of relying on iso so much. Then there's the center position. They gotta make strides with Timelord. Dude's a great blocker and defender but an average rebounder and isn't a scoring threat. He needs to grow there this off-season. Al Horford is old and it showed throughout the playoffs.
To be fair, last year’s team beat the #1 one seed on Miami’s court in game seven to get to the finals. For this year’s team they lost their coach right before the season started. Then when they fought back in the Miami rematch they ran out of gas in game seven in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Winning the chip is hard. They will be in the mix for a while. Even win next year. Its not that bad.
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a team make so many conference finals yet not win a single championship, at least the pistons won in 04 and went back to back to the finals but this Celtics team is somewhat overrated even when on paper they have a perfect team.
Kyrie and Gordon Hayward didn't have no era in Boston. That was pretty much the beginning of the Tatum Brown era
In my opinion all they're lacking is "That guy". They have a great team and they had warriors on the ropes last year until curry pretty much just told them to sit down.
They need a player that can be by far the best player on the court and take over a series. (jason was supposed to be that guy but he's not done so yet)
Bostons biggest issue is their over-reliance on iso shots, if they found ways to get guys like Tatum open catch and shoot 3s for a majority of their 3pt attempts (which if recall he shot near a 40% success rate this season on catch and shoot 3s) they would be sooo much better off with efficiency, but they rely too much on sloppy iso ball.. plus good ball movement opens up driving lanes for the guys as well
Rebuilding and developing talents has not worked towards getting a chip for them. The only time they got a chip was back in 2008 when they tried going through the market and did trades. So I guess that's the best way for them to go.
Everyone has skills in the NBA that's why they're all there. What separates good and great is the basketball intelligence. Granted, some are more skilled than others, but overall they don't have the discipline and basketball intelligence required to be the best. Tatum can stat pad and iso ball all he wants but he ain't winning a chip if he(they) don't have ball movement and intelligence.
Either Tatum or Mazulla need to work on being more of an alpha in the locker room and on the bench when the team mentality is off during a game. There needs to be more accountability. From a game perspective, we need to be a little less reliant on 3s and lean more on ball movement to create better high percentage shot opportunities. We also need to work on our rebounding because I'm sick of seeing teams get 10+ offensive rebounds against us. Other than that Jalen Brown needs to work on his ball handling during the off-season. Other than that I think we're good. I don't think we need any roster changes this time, our defense is there, and our team chemistry seems to be there.
You're not wrong but ball handling always gets exposed on teams that don't pass the ball. When there are 5 guys out there moving and cutting why would you ever need to dribble from A-B in the half court to get to your spot, just pass it up, move to your open spot and you'll get the ball back. It's not just them or Brown it happens all the time in games when a guy gets tunnel vision and just dribbles forward into someone's chest.
25% accountability goes to coach. Missoula is a rookie who simply made rookie mistakes. As a result, I’ll give him a pass as lot of folks wrote him off prematurely. Let the sophomore coaching season reveals his qualities.
75% goes to JT for being inconsistent during the playoff. This is his team as he is the face of the franchise. Notice how the blames goes to JB more than JT from various media outlet.
Really wonder what's gonna happen with Brown
They need a Gobert type in middle or Chris Paul play maker and pace setter
Hot take d 'lo might solve the pg issue
The Celtics Problem: Jaylen Brown. He is not a fundamentally sound player. He is not a Robin. He is 3rd option. Look at Jamal Murray taking over while Jokic was out in arguably the most important stretch of Murray’s career last night. 0 TURN OVERS. JB? Tatum’s hurt his ankle in game 7 and he does a disaster class with 8 TOs
they have stars in tatum and brown, but they just don't have a glue guy... when the going gets tough and their star talent fails, they chuck up bad shots and no one on the court nor the bench tells them off to get back on track
Their core still young they will get their shot too win it all, it takes time..most superstars don't win chips till they hit 27-28
Me personally, I’m slowly losing patience. But I know that panicking is the worse thing we could do rn. So I’ll ride a little bit longer I guess
The theory that a 3 point shooting team couldn’t win got debunked when the spurs won in 2014
Boston need pure PG & Center healthy shooting 3pt, need good coaching staff 💪💪💪
These Celtics are one reason why it seems beneficial to have a playmaking big as the center of your offense or at least as your main distributor.
Play making bigs are hard to find
@@theblacksoldier2725 Yeah I was going to say that. How may even exist in the league, like 2 or 3?
@@theblacksoldier2725 Well you don’t necessarily need a prime LeBron or current Jokic-you can have someone as versatile as Draymond Green even if their shooting is limited.
4 guys in the league so far that are close to or are actual playmaking bigs:
Nikola Jokic
Draymond Green
Alperen Sengun
Domantas Sabonis
rob williams can make plays. They just never use him in that way. He's just a lob catcher in their eyes lol
Can you do how good was Vin Baker actually?
Blake griffin out here catching strays in the thumbnail lmao
I think, this season it was coach. How many minutes Williams played? Grant Williams was out of rotation basically. That is odd.
They are turning into Harden Rockets era, heavy iso then kick out for a three. They move the ball well when they're engaged but still comes back to this smh and wtf is wrong with them putting Horford on the 5 when Bam struggles heavily when Rob is on the floor. Horford shot horrendous too so what's the point on going 5 out when he's not clearly shooting well.
they should try triangle offense which is use by Mj and Pippen a similar position to Tatum and brown and is more of passing and cutting than more dribbling which is not the strength of Tatum and brown. Mazzulla is trying to model this team to warriors which has a different skillset in curry and Thompson and obviously didn't work this season.
they also need to trade brown because he is also an alpha and 2 alphas in one team is a disaster. You cannot have two kings in one kingdom. Just ask Shaq. Plus brown didn't heed Mazzula's strategy on him when joe wants him to do more off ball becoz he is prone to turnover when he attacks on ball but brown says he wants to do more on ball plays.
I'm here right after the Porzingis trade😁
it's more on Jayson Tatum for me, it's because he's the face of the team since Kyrie left the team, He needs to stop jacking 3's and practice his mid range game and often go to the basket and shoot free throws. He's shooting mechanics is also looks off it's kinda easy to predict
How's going Andy?
brogdon was injured in the ecf
OMG 😳. Someone said what I been saying for years. Brown touches the ball in crunch time and I say "we're fucked," never heard anything of the sort I been screaming that for 5 years.thank you for finally noticing
How to you expect to win when your best player only shows up on the first Game 7?