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  • Forensic scientist Thiago Piwowarczyk and art historian Jeffrey Taylor PhD examine a purported Jackson Pollock painting and use their expertise to determine if the painting is legitimate or a forgery.
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  • @fickleme2257
    @fickleme2257 Před 5 lety +21336

    Now give them two real ones and tell them one is fake

    • @jorge8596
      @jorge8596 Před 5 lety +1969

      They would 100% decide that one of them is fake, I'm sure

    • @2299mikey
      @2299mikey Před 5 lety +1559

      Fickle Me oh yeah the only reason they find fakes is painters don’t do enough research. The best forgers are almost never caught. In fact the best forger ever was only caught because there was an ingredient included in a paint that wasn’t listed on the label.

    • @yachtmasterfig
      @yachtmasterfig Před 5 lety +709

      Give them both fakes but ask them to choose one which is fake

    • @gzer0x
      @gzer0x Před 5 lety +1449

      If they’re good enough detectives, they will ignore the statement that one is real or fake, and simply do the job.

    • @crunch9876
      @crunch9876 Před 4 lety +18

      2299mikey whats his name?

  • @Mossssw
    @Mossssw Před 5 lety +14952

    *forgers furiously taking notes*

    • @SwiftVines
      @SwiftVines Před 5 lety +399

      i'm not a forger, but watching this video I just kept telling myself how easy it would be to forge something like this if this is all that they did

    • @lizbogonia
      @lizbogonia Před 5 lety +87

      Tags this under writer not breaking the law

    • @jasonwalker6285
      @jasonwalker6285 Před 5 lety +31

      @@SwiftVines sure.

    • @SeychellesLover
      @SeychellesLover Před 5 lety +8

      Thats what i was thinking lol

    • @SeychellesLover
      @SeychellesLover Před 5 lety +60

      @@SwiftVines finding the paints would be difficult for older works theud be worth a lot

  • @dumbdoms
    @dumbdoms Před 3 lety +2313

    *If I ever get famous and people examine my signature, they'll be out of luck because my signature changes everytime I write it.*

    • @littlemissmello
      @littlemissmello Před 3 lety +96

      same here haha but genuinely, they can still tell because it's less about how your signature looks but the angle and direction of strokes so even if you write it different every time, someone who's good at what they do can still tell.

    • @gsmarchand
      @gsmarchand Před 3 lety +26

      And they will have examples of this happening because you are famous. It's fairly common I'd assume. People are inconsistent.

    • @DarthBane-zf8wv
      @DarthBane-zf8wv Před 3 lety +24

      They look at pressure, curvature, and relative sizes and spacing and take into account possible changes. Everyone writes with their own unique speed and pressure which is almost more important than the letters themselves.

    • @JaxLittles
      @JaxLittles Před 2 lety +16

      @@DarthBane-zf8wv In that case, they'd have a lot of difficulty with my writing. My mood determines the pressure and the angle in which I write. I've had numerous moments of having difficulty recognizing my own writing, as I change how I even print my a's, if I loop my g's, etc. Sometimes my writing looks feminine with larger curves, sometimes it looks like chicken scratch. I always wished I wrote in a way that was consistent. The downside of having a chaotic mind

    • @shanegriffis4592
      @shanegriffis4592 Před 2 lety

      @@littlemissmello 7

  • @errr-iw4lz
    @errr-iw4lz Před 4 lety +2388

    Alternative title:
    5 things not to do when producing a fake

    • @naayerhs7300
      @naayerhs7300 Před 3 lety +10

      Innit, I might just do one but just make sure to do everything right

    • @nikolajrasmussen9573
      @nikolajrasmussen9573 Před 3 lety +9

      Some of these things are difficult to avoid. If you're producing a fake, how will you make it look old? By buying an old picture and repainting it? Or by buying a new one and try to make it look old? Both methods will be caught.
      And how will you get a certification of autencity, without someone being able to trace it back to a dead end?
      I seems to me, like it would be impossible to do everything right no matter how much you knew...

    • @GardeninGrace
      @GardeninGrace Před 3 lety +5

      @@nikolajrasmussen9573 I mean people probably could get away with it on their wall but when it comes to its authenticity, it’s a fake through and through.

    • @himanirongona4084
      @himanirongona4084 Před 3 lety +1

      You profile pic explains it better😂👏🏻.

    • @kota975
      @kota975 Před 2 lety +1

      sooo true

  • @fionapayumo4564
    @fionapayumo4564 Před 5 lety +5979

    Please find a scientist that can spot a fake friend

    • @thiagopiwowarczyk5630
      @thiagopiwowarczyk5630 Před 5 lety +68

      That is definitely much harder...

    • @Abdega
      @Abdega Před 5 lety +83

      I found one recently, but it was after the damage was done…

    • @101jir
      @101jir Před 5 lety +101

      Well, you could use this video as a metaphor I suppose.
      Look at their history. That one pretty much speaks for itself.
      Visual inspection: what is their posture like? What do their nonverbals say?
      Ultraviolet inspection: Actively look for what they might be hiding.
      Fluorescence analysis: what individual attributes make up who they are?
      Finally, take one very close final look. Anything that they missed that hints they are being fake?
      Maybe this is great advice, maybe terrible, I just legitimately did this for the fun of trying to make it into a metaphor.

    • @TM-ox8cl
      @TM-ox8cl Před 5 lety +27

      A psychologist

    • @raragrace5040
      @raragrace5040 Před 4 lety +15

      You don't need an expert for this, just to take a step back and trust your gut

  • @brucelee42069
    @brucelee42069 Před 5 lety +4546

    >examines a Jackson pollock with a magnifying glass
    “Someone spilled something on this”

  • @williamvouk2911
    @williamvouk2911 Před 4 lety +5314

    “He really doesn’t brush much anymore.”
    Well yeah...he’s dead

    • @ianfrankegordon8451
      @ianfrankegordon8451 Před 4 lety +13

      Lol

    • @scriptgee5176
      @scriptgee5176 Před 4 lety +14

      Dark

    • @ic9459
      @ic9459 Před 4 lety +8

      Scripturium Guerrero dark humor like family guy

    • @laylanandao9673
      @laylanandao9673 Před 3 lety +11

      It's dark and I like it.

    • @J.5.M.
      @J.5.M. Před 3 lety +43

      Wellll you took the quote out of context 😄 He said at the time when Pollock started the drip paintings he wasn't really brushing any more.

  • @elijahvillaflores354
    @elijahvillaflores354 Před 3 lety +888

    They caught them with the document already, they just wrecked them at this point

    • @martavdz4972
      @martavdz4972 Před 3 lety +56

      Yeah, I think it´s because an expert´s analysis has to be as well documented and supported by proof as possible.

    • @montanaheaventush
      @montanaheaventush Před 3 lety

      yeah... lol amateur !

    • @ivanzivkovic7572
      @ivanzivkovic7572 Před 3 lety +32

      it's not just that though, even if the document is a completely obvious fake, they have to exclude the possibility of the painting still being genuine

    • @bfure1
      @bfure1 Před 2 lety +6

      @@ivanzivkovic7572 yep, authentic paintings with fake chains of custody is a very common thing as well

    • @maxpulido4268
      @maxpulido4268 Před 2 lety

      Finding 1 inconsistency isn't enough.
      The document can be explained away.

  • @BVBMCRLOVER
    @BVBMCRLOVER Před 4 lety +6771

    Imagine dropping a can of paint and people psychoanalyze it for the next 200 years

    • @ivanlagrossemoule
      @ivanlagrossemoule Před 4 lety +523

      "you just wouldn't get it"

    • @ohboy1113
      @ohboy1113 Před 4 lety +30

      200 likes. Interesting

    • @arbitrage2141
      @arbitrage2141 Před 4 lety +276

      Lmao seriously though. I cant believe people call this chicken scratch art.

    • @CMyBigHarryBLLS
      @CMyBigHarryBLLS Před 4 lety +128

      @@arbitrage2141 to each his own but I think people have over hyped his painting had he been an artist now instead of when he painted people would laugh at him and call him a joke tell me in wrong there are so many artists now that have at least equal skill than pollock but will never gain his levels of success imagine if he had to compete with the internet

    • @mattm7798
      @mattm7798 Před 4 lety +75

      @@arbitrage2141 It's art...but is it genius or compelling art...honestly, to most people, no.

  • @kginmyheart
    @kginmyheart Před 5 lety +5614

    Now I want to see them examine an authentic one

    • @codename9824
      @codename9824 Před 5 lety +56

      kginmyheart Planning some diy later?

    • @TazTalksYouListen
      @TazTalksYouListen Před 5 lety +36

      10:42 - "Duh-breeze!"

    • @bobby8012
      @bobby8012 Před 5 lety +21

      They already examined a authentic one otherwise they wouldn't be able to determine that this was a fake you dum dum

    • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
      @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Před 5 lety +19

      I'm not sure there is an authentic version of this one.

    • @TazTalksYouListen
      @TazTalksYouListen Před 5 lety +64

      @@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 - Again, I don't believe the OP was referring to an authentic version of *_this_* particular piece. And based upon their findings in this video, I think you can be *_very_* confident there is no authentic version of this one.

  • @severito33
    @severito33 Před 3 lety +242

    Next step is getting a ouija board and ask Jackson "did you paint this"

  • @dirkdiggler.
    @dirkdiggler. Před 3 lety +977

    At begining of video: Wow that looks like a genuine pollock.
    At end of video: what idiot would think this is real.

    • @dinoschachten
      @dinoschachten Před 3 lety +10

      True. Really cool stuff to learn here.

    • @StretchReality
      @StretchReality Před 3 lety +18

      Still, it’s not like this looks any worse then a real one. Is some paint just more “splattier” then others?

    • @shahn78
      @shahn78 Před rokem

      @@StretchReality
      Pollack's stuff is horseshit. $100M for one of his drunken splatter session?
      Art selling at these price points are bought for shallow bragging rights and b/c it will go up in value cos others said so.

  • @andrewborne7113
    @andrewborne7113 Před 5 lety +3462

    So basically the forgers screwed up everything you CAN screw up when making a forgery.

    • @thomasfplm
      @thomasfplm Před 5 lety +130

      They didn't miss by using titanium.

    • @zainanwar9281
      @zainanwar9281 Před 4 lety +168

      id say they succeeded since they've already sold it and the buyer got it tested afterwards

    • @bluebubble926
      @bluebubble926 Před 4 lety +48

      @@zainanwar9281 no, usually a buyer will have it authenticated before they purchase it

    • @zainanwar9281
      @zainanwar9281 Před 4 lety +33

      @@bluebubble926 you;re talking about sensible people, idiots still exist and some people actually do just take the sellers word

    • @bluebubble926
      @bluebubble926 Před 4 lety +25

      @@zainanwar9281 I'm sure some do, that's why I said "usually". Most people who are around the art world and/or even have enough money to purchase a painting of that renown, know that it is best to make sure your painting is real. The most common practice is for it to be authenticated before you buy it (or sell if you are a decent person and don't know whether a family heirloom is the real deal.)

  • @mineuser5395
    @mineuser5395 Před 5 lety +3263

    I love art but $100,000,000 for a drip painting is just ridiculous.

    • @mineuser5395
      @mineuser5395 Před 5 lety +7

      @Robin Nilsson true

    • @SouthEastSkateUK
      @SouthEastSkateUK Před 5 lety +45

      @Robin Nilsson then why havent you

    • @nina-bh4nx
      @nina-bh4nx Před 5 lety +33

      It's because it's a Pollock!

    • @HJima
      @HJima Před 4 lety +148

      Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers for the price, it's investment.Is it wild? YES! But is it what it is. Investments, some at least for now

    • @inject5373
      @inject5373 Před 4 lety +6

      drip drip

  • @syd7197
    @syd7197 Před 3 lety +352

    “We’re gonna call them, Sydney”
    *Why you gotta call me out like that man?*

  • @lastfirst2241
    @lastfirst2241 Před 2 lety +88

    This would be an excellent reality show. Walking the audience through different artists, their different signature styles. Interviews with the owners and how they came into ownership of the paintings. The investigations, and the owners' responses to finding out if their painting is a fraud or not.
    Make this show. With these guys.

    • @differenttakethanmost
      @differenttakethanmost Před rokem +4

      These guys are amazing.
      Till their show is made - check out the BBC’s “Fake or Fortune” series. Forensics meets fine art- absolutely fascinating. Totally binge-able

  • @TheEmerald
    @TheEmerald Před 5 lety +2456

    These two guys could totally forge a painting and no-one would ever find out.

    • @AndyChamberlainMusic
      @AndyChamberlainMusic Před 5 lety +267

      Yea, no one would ever be suspicious about two guys whose job is finding fake paintings trying to sell a painting...

    • @dust7962
      @dust7962 Před 5 lety +123

      @@AndyChamberlainMusic Just get somebody else to sell it. A collector maybe. 100 million 3 way is a lot still lol.

    • @TheEmerald
      @TheEmerald Před 5 lety +46

      @@AndyChamberlainMusic I mean, did you ever watch Dexter? And obviously they wouldn't sell it themselves.

    • @FezoBadazz
      @FezoBadazz Před 5 lety +35

      Watch white collar and find out 😂

    • @yadfaraidoon9977
      @yadfaraidoon9977 Před 5 lety +5

      Great Meme Warrior provenance research would bust them

  • @buzzsawenthusiast1756
    @buzzsawenthusiast1756 Před 5 lety +2696

    They should try making they're own fake, using all of the information of what makes a bad fake.

    • @Kris_96
      @Kris_96 Před 5 lety +13

      Exactly..

    • @jellynutshell2509
      @jellynutshell2509 Před 5 lety +59

      *their

    • @BracaPhoto
      @BracaPhoto Před 5 lety +83

      They do. They just don't make CZcams videos about it !

    • @no_alias_for_me
      @no_alias_for_me Před 5 lety +88

      Look up "Beltracchi". He faked literally every expensive painter... successfully. His fakes did sell on big auctions for millions of dollars. I bet he also faked a Pollock.

    • @jasonmraz7920
      @jasonmraz7920 Před 5 lety +1

      They are already false reporting in many areas

  • @HurBenny
    @HurBenny Před 3 lety +206

    How could you go through the whole process of producing a fake and mimicking a chain of titles, but not verify the date of death of the painter on your document ?
    A genuine older owner could have mixed the years remembering so far back, but a forger ? You wouldn’t take any chances...

  • @joeboyd1964
    @joeboyd1964 Před 3 lety +173

    "They spilled something on this..."
    You don't say.

  • @cynthiaaaa5204
    @cynthiaaaa5204 Před 5 lety +4643

    *examining a drip painting*
    "Looks like they spilled something on this..."
    Boy have I got some news for you..

    • @robertchacon3289
      @robertchacon3289 Před 5 lety +22

      hahahahahahah

    • @roskar
      @roskar Před 5 lety +142

      hahaha That was my first thought. Modern art is a scam.

    • @LLPTV
      @LLPTV Před 5 lety +131

      @Kristi Luchi whoosh

    • @roskar
      @roskar Před 5 lety +70

      @Kristi Luchi - Thank you captain obvious, I watched the video, which was interesting, but does that make modern art legit? I don't think so. Sorry if your feelings are hurt over an opinion.

    • @bay_leaf1510
      @bay_leaf1510 Před 5 lety +11

      R/wooosh

  • @frozenthorn9619
    @frozenthorn9619 Před 5 lety +3155

    note to self, they can smell if you teabag a painting...

  • @cweaver4080
    @cweaver4080 Před 2 lety +56

    "Was this painted by Jackson Pollock or a drunken hamster?"
    "A drunken hamster."
    "How can you tell?"
    "It wasn't signed."

  • @oliver-yr1tt
    @oliver-yr1tt Před 4 lety +705

    In today’s episode of “Where Has Quarantine Brought Me Today?”

  • @krypteia2
    @krypteia2 Před 5 lety +2931

    Isn't it strange how we often value art based on who created it and not on its own merit?

    • @jyrn9410
      @jyrn9410 Před 5 lety +563

      I think it makes a lot of sense. A painting is an expression of a persons specific character and ideas, and the artist gains recognition for his contribution to an art movement that people like. Would you pay the same for tickets to go see your favorite singer's imitator as you would for the singer him/herself?

    • @TheNinetySecond
      @TheNinetySecond Před 5 lety +64

      Only if you believe in nonsense.

    • @noname-vr9fs
      @noname-vr9fs Před 5 lety +111

      @@jyrn9410 cover bands are actually a thing and greatly respected in certain circles so yeah, if i enjoy the art I'll enjoy it I don't need it to be associated with some name.

    • @Exarian
      @Exarian Před 5 lety +8

      I think merit is overrated in general so...

    • @Getfuqqedfedboy
      @Getfuqqedfedboy Před 5 lety +133

      art is just how the super wealthy move money.....

  • @MarkVrankovich
    @MarkVrankovich Před 5 lety +1935

    It's upside down.

  • @vic3586
    @vic3586 Před 3 lety +52

    "We received this painting by a client that chose to remain anonymous. We are going to call him *Sidney* " *proceeds to smirk* bruh

  • @rachelsanchis
    @rachelsanchis Před 4 lety +350

    I kind of wish they did this with a painting that was better done.

    • @NateTDOM
      @NateTDOM Před 3 lety +113

      I kind of wish they did it with a painting that didn’t look like it was made by a 3 year old.

    • @jjjjj8455
      @jjjjj8455 Před 3 lety +16

      @@NateTDOM shut up

    • @NateTDOM
      @NateTDOM Před 3 lety +34

      nah

    • @louieschauer3527
      @louieschauer3527 Před 3 lety +41

      @@jjjjj8455 he’s not wrong though

    • @jjjjj8455
      @jjjjj8455 Před 3 lety +12

      @@louieschauer3527 if you believe he is right then you are saying all abstract and emotional non skilled based art is stupid and bad which is not the case

  • @thiagopiwowarczyk2220
    @thiagopiwowarczyk2220 Před 5 lety +4665

    We are celebrating 2 Million views. Thank you all for the support and thank you Wired for the great production!

  • @michor10
    @michor10 Před 5 lety +4661

    And this is bunch of squiggly lines... but's it's fake. Fake squiggly lines.

    • @IsomerMashups
      @IsomerMashups Před 5 lety +116

      I snorted laughing when I read this.

    • @Jonathan-bu7iv
      @Jonathan-bu7iv Před 5 lety +131

      So many fake random squiggly lines. Worth 100 million dollars lmao. Rich people had smart parents.. and then the never had to develop into fucntioning human beings and turned into gullible vegetables you can farm for money. I can't even glame the art community for using them.

    • @wormhunter6340
      @wormhunter6340 Před 5 lety +46

      Tiep it’s obvious you’re not an artist lmao. it’s obviously more than just random ‘squiggles’

    • @joellelittle9510
      @joellelittle9510 Před 5 lety +262

      @@wormhunter6340 No, it's really not obvious, and there's no need to get so snobby about it (especially with that username). That kind of elitism is why the art world is so mocked.

    • @wormhunter6340
      @wormhunter6340 Před 5 lety +33

      Joelle Little the reason why the art world is so mocked is because of uneducated morons like you, sweety :)

  • @QiWeiDong
    @QiWeiDong Před 3 lety +44

    I thought they'd have some hard time finding out that it's fake but basically they started roasting the fake starting at the first second...

  • @morphogenetic_
    @morphogenetic_ Před 4 lety +516

    Me, a gremlin unable to even draw a circle: ha, that fake artist sucks!

    • @Krishnajha20101
      @Krishnajha20101 Před 3 lety +5

      Don’t worry. The "artist" doesn’t know how to draw it either.

    • @user-vz5wu8ty3z
      @user-vz5wu8ty3z Před 3 lety

      @@Krishnajha20101 Lolol

    • @petiaivailova2563
      @petiaivailova2563 Před 2 lety

      You can paint something like this with a bottle of ketchup. You don't have to be able to draw.

    • @wopwopwallchonkyarm3217
      @wopwopwallchonkyarm3217 Před 2 lety

      Hehehehe smae

    • @maxpulido4268
      @maxpulido4268 Před 2 lety

      @@Krishnajha20101 Just cause this one is abstract doesn't mean he didn't know how to draw.

  • @twisted_brain
    @twisted_brain Před 5 lety +1427

    I’m hypnotized not only by the process but also how white his shirt is

  • @eddyk3
    @eddyk3 Před 5 lety +5781

    If you take a UV light to my bedsheets it looks like a Jackson Pollock.

  • @isabellacheeseman1600
    @isabellacheeseman1600 Před 4 lety +109

    I’m gonna use this for animal crossing

    • @alexski2271
      @alexski2271 Před 3 lety +3

      HAHAHAHAHAHHA this comment is the best

  • @GOLVEL
    @GOLVEL Před 3 lety +56

    "Does it look cheap and crappy? It's probably an original" X-D

  • @Melogreen
    @Melogreen Před 5 lety +1111

    The real crime is the price of the painting

    • @HJima
      @HJima Před 4 lety +43

      Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment

    • @choojunwyng8028
      @choojunwyng8028 Před 3 lety +23

      That's so ironic in the sense that extremely expensive pieces of art is commonly used for money laundering

    • @nelsonta00
      @nelsonta00 Před 3 lety +16

      @@choojunwyng8028 looks like this painting went through the laundry.

    • @OhFishyFish
      @OhFishyFish Před 3 lety +2

      Two words: money laundering.

    • @redsev4484
      @redsev4484 Před 3 lety +13

      the real crime is to call it art

  • @plazasta
    @plazasta Před 5 lety +1812

    never thought watching two people spot a fake painting was so interesting! Can we have more?

    • @oscard2994
      @oscard2994 Před 5 lety +9

      Search out "Fake or fortune" by the BBC

    • @plazasta
      @plazasta Před 5 lety +3

      @@oscard2994 oh my god thank you!

    • @fetB
      @fetB Před 5 lety +4

      no

    • @plazasta
      @plazasta Před 5 lety +11

      @@fetB oh. ok.
      *walks away head down*

    • @fetB
      @fetB Před 5 lety +15

      @plazasta hold on. Come back. I'm sorry. I was in a bad mood. I shouldn't have let this out on you. You can have all the expert explain things you want. I'll put a word in for you.

  • @eadghe
    @eadghe Před 3 lety +10

    0:05 _"And THIS..."_
    ...is the result when you snort different colors and sneeze it on the canvas.

    • @Duzzer_One
      @Duzzer_One Před 3 lety +2

      Yup this is absolute trash, at its finest I suppose.

  • @singlethreat496
    @singlethreat496 Před 3 lety +6

    I could watch these two investigators for hours. Utterly fascinating.

  • @11kravitzn
    @11kravitzn Před 5 lety +2006

    Moral of the story: you can get a painting that is just as aesthetically pleasing as a genuine Pollock for a tiny fraction of the price. Go and get one, if you like that style, and enjoy it and be glad. Let the obscenely wealthy fight for ones that the famous guy touched.

    • @SuperShiki666
      @SuperShiki666 Před 5 lety +126

      Not really a study concluded that in a blind test where people were asked to choose between original works and fakes in the same style, the majority of people prefer the originals, you could just buy prints of the original though

    • @RadenWA
      @RadenWA Před 5 lety +238

      Of course they prefer the original, but would they like it enough to pay _literally a million_ more for it? This art industry is not about taste anymore than it is about scam and money laundering.

    • @plokijuh5830
      @plokijuh5830 Před 5 lety +109

      @@RadenWA If you pay 1 mil for a painting then you've acquired a good that is worth 1 mil, and likely more. The price determines the value, not the other way around, and so you actually haven't lost any money with the purchase transaction, just transformed liquidity into another asset of the same worth.

    • @rippspeck
      @rippspeck Před 5 lety +73

      Moral of the story: collectors don't care about functionality but sentimental value.

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Před 5 lety +26

      It's called a Windows 95 screensaver. Pollock was a con man.

  • @ericsong5155
    @ericsong5155 Před 5 lety +1805

    These guys sound like the type of dudes that cut you off mid sentence and question the reliability of your story

    • @BacadoTheSkoggy
      @BacadoTheSkoggy Před 5 lety +36

      And we all love him for it

    • @Ghanemq8
      @Ghanemq8 Před 5 lety +36

      Matthias Tan no, just you

    • @nin2494
      @nin2494 Před 5 lety +5

      Ghanem__q8, the valid method to correct Matthias is to phrase your sentence in this way: no, just you. Also, uno reverse card, just u.

    • @BacadoTheSkoggy
      @BacadoTheSkoggy Před 5 lety +2

      @@nin2494 no u

    • @Ghanemq8
      @Ghanemq8 Před 5 lety +2

      Matthias Tan no w

  • @Itachijaswal
    @Itachijaswal Před 4 lety +55

    I don’t know man, this guy himself could be a con artist but his accent makes it all believable

  • @Shrew-22O1
    @Shrew-22O1 Před 4 lety +166

    If you can replicate such a painting..it’s kind of like an art in itself 😂 I feel like replicating this would be a headache..

    • @chillfactory9000
      @chillfactory9000 Před 4 lety +22

      Honestly forgery is a sort of art.

    • @_Fuscous
      @_Fuscous Před 3 lety +25

      They didn't replicate anything, they created something new in the style of a Jackson Pollock painting and used simple aging techniques like dabbing a teabag on the canvas

    • @BladeRunner-td8be
      @BladeRunner-td8be Před 3 lety +4

      You might be right but there is a famous art forgery ring that made millions after replicating hundreds of famous paintings. This group existed some 30 years ago in Asia and they had the skill to produce paintings on a sort of assembly line, replete with all the bells and whistles missing here. Cheers

    • @currymouse
      @currymouse Před 3 lety

      I mean... It is just a bunch of squiggles

    • @sirtoadsalott6189
      @sirtoadsalott6189 Před 3 lety

      @@currymouse
      Squiggles made with feeling and passion✨

  • @name1483
    @name1483 Před 5 lety +1626

    Sydney: "This painting is a real Jackson Pollock"
    Forgery Experts: Pollocks!

  • @dasfowler
    @dasfowler Před 5 lety +593

    "This is *man with incredibly interesting name on so many levels*, and this is Jeff Taylor." Now that's how you create contrast.

    • @TheWTZ1983
      @TheWTZ1983 Před 4 lety +29

      The incredibly interesting name is Polish and because it ends with "czyk" its meaning is "son of a brewer", if it would be only "Piwowar" then it would mean "brewer" 😉

    • @pancraes
      @pancraes Před 4 lety

      @@TheWTZ1983 cool but idc

    • @Gaiwen_Li
      @Gaiwen_Li Před 4 lety +14

      Furdy dur Turdy who asked you

    • @garnetsun
      @garnetsun Před 4 lety +8

      he is brazilian, thiago is a very brazilian name and it's not uncommon for brazilians to have slavic surnames, i had a classmate whose surname was rabczynsky

  • @thienbui5686
    @thienbui5686 Před 4 lety +37

    “What are you gonna do with an art degree?” This. Do this.

  • @harrisonmundschutz2654
    @harrisonmundschutz2654 Před 3 lety +20

    At first I thought it was ridiculous cause it shows that the art connoisseurs care more about who made it than the artwork itself but then I remembered that’s how our money works

    • @chrismanuel9768
      @chrismanuel9768 Před 2 lety +2

      That's how Pollock got so famous to begin with. His art was worth nothing until he got some attention, then all of it shot up in price because POLLOCK MADE IT.

  • @kajinecat1359
    @kajinecat1359 Před 5 lety +1349

    Just plug it into Turnitin lmao

  • @NateandNoahTryLife
    @NateandNoahTryLife Před 5 lety +2565

    I would highly recommend "F is For Fake" if this is interesting to you... A lot of that movie deals with Elmyr de Hory who was one of the greatest counterfeiters ever.

    • @fictionalchannel
      @fictionalchannel Před 5 lety +80

      There's a BBC series called Fake or Fortune where each episode endeavours to prove the authenticity of a piece of artwork presented to them by its current holder. They go through a variety of these steps as well as traversing around trying to discover the provenance of the paintings. Definitely worth a watch.

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 Před 5 lety +3

      Yeah, not gonna watch it...

    • @joansmith69
      @joansmith69 Před 5 lety +73

      @@vb8428 ok

    • @tobiasadams1504
      @tobiasadams1504 Před 5 lety +22

      I might watch, thanks.

    • @NighteeeeeY
      @NighteeeeeY Před 5 lety +35

      If you guys havent seen it, watch Beltracchi: The Art of Forgery. This is really the greatest counterfeiter *EVER* . Hes insanely good.

  • @CharacterDesign360
    @CharacterDesign360 Před 4 lety +3

    This was really cool! I really enjoyed seeing the process of how forgeries are discovered.

  • @clxwnbii
    @clxwnbii Před 4 lety +28

    Me after Blathers tells me that the painting I bought is a fake:

    • @dovalayn
      @dovalayn Před 4 lety +1

      i’ve been looking for this

  • @MsJavaWolf
    @MsJavaWolf Před 5 lety +522

    Just a random point, but why do people always say stuff like "he chose to remain anonymous, we will call him Sydney" and then the name is almost never mentioned again?

    • @lefleurdulmal
      @lefleurdulmal Před 5 lety +85

      I assumed that "Sydney" is some sort of inside joke.

    • @NoOne3234
      @NoOne3234 Před 5 lety +25

      It's actually Sidney, which is an anagram for Disney.

    • @marshwetland3808
      @marshwetland3808 Před 5 lety +14

      Not even almost. It actually was never mentioned again. Maybe they call anons Sydney in their business generally, though. No doubt many of their projects have anon owners.

    • @briandoolittle3422
      @briandoolittle3422 Před 5 lety +107

      Just to add; they may have actually referred to him many times during the recording, and those offhand statements didnt make it in to the final cut of the video because they were about the person not the painting.

    • @danmurray1143
      @danmurray1143 Před 5 lety +1

      I was thinking the exact same thing; It's like we're soulmates.

  • @aidanandco
    @aidanandco Před 5 lety +607

    sydney really messed up this time

  • @jackhumann8270
    @jackhumann8270 Před 4 lety +84

    The fact that a $100,000,000 painting is so emulatable that you need dna and ultraviolet light to prove it as false is really sad

    • @LB-ou8wt
      @LB-ou8wt Před 4 lety +10

      To be fair, all art is emulatable. People will study an artist, their style, and their art in such minute detail that the can produce high accuracy reproductions of all of the great artists. What makes the artist it not to copy, but to originate.

    • @georgeclarke630
      @georgeclarke630 Před 4 lety +1

      Just because it is valued at $100m doesn't mean it's gonna have some sort of anti-replication system installed lol

    • @roninnib6635
      @roninnib6635 Před 3 lety +4

      @@georgeclarke630 yeah, but you got to realise that for that price you’d expect that It would be difficult to make, but what he correctly said is that it can easily be replicated. If you want I can go into more detail, just like the comment so I get the notification, you can take it back later if you want.

    • @roninnib6635
      @roninnib6635 Před 3 lety +1

      @@georgeclarke630 what would you like clarified

  • @jojoorsmth
    @jojoorsmth Před 3 lety +31

    Them: how to spot fake art.
    Me in animal crossing: Redd will never get me now!!

    • @chrismanuel9768
      @chrismanuel9768 Před 2 lety

      If you know what the piece is supposed to look like the fakes are pretty easy to spot. There's always some RIDICULOUS alteration that sticks out like a sore thumb.
      Unless that was the joke, in which case I just got the joke and I'm sorry for being overly serious

  • @v1d300
    @v1d300 Před 5 lety +1096

    To confirm the authenticity of this video I need to meet these scientists, inspect the painting, the equipment used and smell the tea.

    • @maxh2421
      @maxh2421 Před 5 lety +2

      R u kidding

    • @Leo-zk9rd
      @Leo-zk9rd Před 5 lety +35

      I just wanna smell the tea

    • @maxh2421
      @maxh2421 Před 5 lety +8

      That's some tea

    • @jonjohn855
      @jonjohn855 Před 5 lety +10

      You'll need to trace back the authenticity of their education/experience as well

    • @luuvnote
      @luuvnote Před 5 lety +1

      Max Hoffstadt WOOOOOSH

  • @lethok4084
    @lethok4084 Před 5 lety +1910

    this is genuinely interesting content and i love wired for that

    • @AxxLAfriku
      @AxxLAfriku Před 5 lety

      WARNING I am the unprettiest human alive and I need YT to afford my house and the desires of my two girlfriends so please observe my highly stimulating videos, dear letho

    • @lethok4084
      @lethok4084 Před 5 lety +4

      @@AxxLAfriku k.

    • @fahim102
      @fahim102 Před 5 lety +1

      @@AxxLAfriku
      Weird plug, but ok.

    • @BlitzzGames
      @BlitzzGames Před 5 lety

      @@AxxLAfriku weird flex but ok.

  • @gracerose5832
    @gracerose5832 Před 2 lety +5

    Thanks, man! I'll remember to take this into consideration when I sell my next fake :) helped a lot! ❤️ Lots of love

  • @Billy123bobzzz
    @Billy123bobzzz Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent, informative, thank you!

  • @BitsharkPlays
    @BitsharkPlays Před 5 lety +327

    The art of forgery detection is more compelling than the artwork itself xD

  • @crackysr2961
    @crackysr2961 Před 5 lety +767

    When it’s on it’s side it looks like a giant pop tart

    • @certifiedsecurityguard3473
      @certifiedsecurityguard3473 Před 5 lety

      Cracky Sr 😂

    • @ash-ws5mq
      @ash-ws5mq Před 5 lety

      Cracky Sr it does. or we’re both high

    • @NemoConsequentae
      @NemoConsequentae Před 5 lety +2

      *That* explains why it looks like tomato sauce & mustard are spilled on it! And the tea.

    •  Před 5 lety

      you used 2 ''it's'' yet only one of them was used correctly :/

    • @cheesecakelasagna
      @cheesecakelasagna Před 5 lety

      @Poptart

  • @arthurmont-morency5027
    @arthurmont-morency5027 Před 3 lety +1

    i would watch an entire series of these two guys spotting fake paintings

  • @andrewhernandez1509
    @andrewhernandez1509 Před 2 lety +1

    I wanna see more of these guys!

  • @AmericasComic
    @AmericasComic Před 5 lety +6260

    People with that type of accent can’t talk about using lasers without sounding evil

    • @photonicpizza1466
      @photonicpizza1466 Před 5 lety +1866

      Too bad nobody in the video has a German accent.

    • @nielsrisolo7548
      @nielsrisolo7548 Před 5 lety +97

      @@photonicpizza1466i agree i think i was thinking about his accent and it could be italian i have an italian friend she talks exacly like him

    • @NShores
      @NShores Před 5 lety +384

      According to his Facebook page, Thiago Piwowarczyk lists his hometown as São Paulo, Brazil.

    • @marinavilela6303
      @marinavilela6303 Před 5 lety +779

      @Luiz Guilherme Amaral He's not butchering anything. He has an accent because he is not a native speaker, but his English is very good and you can understand him, which is what matters. There's nothing wrong with having an accent.

    • @sergiosaunier
      @sergiosaunier Před 5 lety +285

      Thiago is Brazilian. His english is remarkably good, albeit with a distinctive Brazilian accent and cadence.

  • @Lenysea
    @Lenysea Před 4 lety +715

    This video is making me want to re-watch the 'White Collar' :)

    • @Rebecca-vd4ww
      @Rebecca-vd4ww Před 3 lety +28

      Neil was definitely much better at forgeries than whoever did this one 😂

    • @FaeLordArveyn96
      @FaeLordArveyn96 Před 3 lety +8

      Literally just finished RE-WATCHING it lol.

    • @andrewzanoni2681
      @andrewzanoni2681 Před 3 lety +1

      @@FaeLordArveyn96 it’s NOT ON NETFLIX!!!

    • @FaeLordArveyn96
      @FaeLordArveyn96 Před 3 lety +1

      @@andrewzanoni2681 Correct lol. It is on Hulu!

    • @jselectronics8215
      @jselectronics8215 Před 3 lety +1

      How to Steal a Million, Audrey Hepburn, Peter O'toole, Hugh Griffith.

  • @davidhunternyc1
    @davidhunternyc1 Před 9 měsíci

    You guys are brilliant! Wow! Thank you.

  • @ImeneTalk
    @ImeneTalk Před 4 lety

    I like the way Thiago is speaking.. very slowly and accurately..

  • @sinkvenice4438
    @sinkvenice4438 Před 5 lety +71

    That cheeky little grin he gave when he said “we’ll call him Sydney” was adorable. It’s a good joke.

    • @professionalpainthuffer
      @professionalpainthuffer Před 4 lety +12

      @xirsamoht x the joke is that Pollock's first major gallery showing was at the Sidney Janis gallery, in NYC.

  • @TheMovieMyLife
    @TheMovieMyLife Před 5 lety +335

    Attention to detail at its finest.

    • @DungeonMetal
      @DungeonMetal Před 5 lety +2

      Naw that's my mum.

    • @Calm2134
      @Calm2134 Před 5 lety +1

      when they're using UV lights, only 1 of the flashlights is actually on.

  • @klsksosuejk
    @klsksosuejk Před 3 lety +27

    Pollock's paintings may not be the most beautiful art pieces, but they have a superpower
    If you show them to anyone who hasn't studied art you'll hear a thousand voices screaming "A TWO YEARS OLD COULD HAVE DONE THAT" and I think it's culturally significant

    • @MrGhostTheBigRoast
      @MrGhostTheBigRoast Před 3 lety +1

      I dont get it, must be stoopid

    • @daemonthorn5888
      @daemonthorn5888 Před 2 lety

      Because it's true.

    • @IATEALLTHECHEESE
      @IATEALLTHECHEESE Před 2 lety +1

      I have studied art. My parents are artists, as is one of my siblings. My second cousin is an illustrator. I'm an art student too as well.
      And, it does look like a 2 year old did it

    • @lasvegasmiddlebetslots
      @lasvegasmiddlebetslots Před 2 lety +1

      This is crap and a 2 year old could do better

    • @IATEALLTHECHEESE
      @IATEALLTHECHEESE Před 2 lety

      @@lasvegasmiddlebetslots yeH

  • @EnriqueDominguezProfile
    @EnriqueDominguezProfile Před 4 lety +1

    3:16 Loved the little Paganini phrase on the xylophone.

  • @bjently
    @bjently Před 5 lety +228

    Imagine a show like the Cooking Channel but where artists make these and are judged based on authenticity

    • @simpleminded1uk
      @simpleminded1uk Před 5 lety +3

      'This so-called carrot is actually a parsnip dyed orange'

  • @user-ck2us7wn7w
    @user-ck2us7wn7w Před 4 lety +346

    I would love to watch a movie with a story of someone who outsmarts these people and actually end up getting a lot of money for the fake

    • @niklaskraus1030
      @niklaskraus1030 Před 4 lety +4

      There are some

    • @Zsazsaa
      @Zsazsaa Před 4 lety +7

      Just watch " Beltracci"

    • @rebecadiasreis
      @rebecadiasreis Před 4 lety +25

      There's an entire series(White Collar) about it and other art crimes... Sometimes it's kinda predictable but it's really funny and worth the time

    • @eugenia7722
      @eugenia7722 Před 4 lety +5

      White collar is a series that pretty good!!!!

    • @elwyn5150
      @elwyn5150 Před 4 lety +2

      Don't watch "Who the f#@k is Jackson Pollock?" It's unclear if it's a fake or not but she held out for more money and got nothing.

  • @diveinnjim
    @diveinnjim Před 2 lety +3

    I'm loving Thiago's $20 watch, its an absolute classic casio,

  • @jennifernorman9655
    @jennifernorman9655 Před 3 lety

    It was the use of staples on the canvas that convinced me! :-) Super, thank you.

  • @MagisterVeritas
    @MagisterVeritas Před 4 lety +235

    Found some Jackson Pollock on my pizza the other day.

  • @straybeans143
    @straybeans143 Před 5 lety +209

    *Hotel? Thiago*

  • @scout6436
    @scout6436 Před 4 lety +1

    I love how Wired can be funny, but they also get experts in and produce an informative video where I learn something

  • @garfeeble
    @garfeeble Před 3 lety

    thanks for letting me know what to avoid

  • @theWanderer521
    @theWanderer521 Před 5 lety +2251

    if I am right, Pollock had influential people (rich, well known modern artists as well) around him when he started - so with marketing and referrals - his value soared. if he never met them all of his works will be just squiggly and random paint all over the canvas

    • @TheAce12570
      @TheAce12570 Před 5 lety +178

      I doubt it. Look up his paintings, there's an artistic value to them, and there were plenty of painters through history that died in poverty and obscurity but whose works were recognized after their deaths - Van Gogh would be a pretty well known example of that. Besides, Pollock painted plenty of paintings that weren't "squiggly random paint all over the canvas", as you put it, but rather done in more traditional styles.

    • @909sickle
      @909sickle Před 5 lety +368

      ​@@TheAce12570 There may be artistic value to them, but there is not much talent. Almost anyone could do a moderately convincing Pollock fake, but very few could do an equivalent Van Gogh fake. That's not to say Pollock did not have talent. But he's literally dripping paint on his famous paintings. They were famous precisely because of the shock value of how little talent is in employed in this style, and no one would have cared if not for the publicity driven by the acceptance of the modern art community.

    • @JamEngulfer
      @JamEngulfer Před 5 lety +201

      Fun fact, in a study, participants (art students and psychology students) preferred modern art painted by an artist over similar looking paintings done by a mix of children, apes and elephants at a rate of about 70%. It may *look* like just a bunch of squiggles, but there's a reason his paintings are so popular.

    • @NyaMoon_
      @NyaMoon_ Před 5 lety +87

      JamEngulfer everyone who thinks a little bit about where to put a dot or a stroke could do this, that’s not talent

    • @Excludos
      @Excludos Před 5 lety +117

      @@JamEngulfer What about male adults with no talent? Of course there's going to be a difference between kids paintings and an adult, no matter how talentless the adult is. They're kids! I painted a square sun when I was one!

  • @jreills0502
    @jreills0502 Před 5 lety +49

    It’s almost like splattering paint randomly on a canvas is fairly easy to do and replicated

  • @danny-li6io
    @danny-li6io Před 3 lety

    This is fascinating

  • @marcomatos1268
    @marcomatos1268 Před 3 lety

    Thanks! Now I know how I can forge a painting for my next auction!

  • @dorsparkle
    @dorsparkle Před 5 lety +162

    My favorite kind of crimes. Art forgery. Idk why but it’s so fascinating

    • @nunyabiznez6381
      @nunyabiznez6381 Před 5 lety +32

      Probably because the only victims of art forgery are ludicrously wealthy people who are stupid enough to buy something that is pure garbage.

    • @robertascott2305
      @robertascott2305 Před 5 lety +15

      Agree Sarah Dorman. To create the believable forged art one must have excellent artistic craft skill. Maybe not the inspiration, the creativity to create the form, the way of seeing.
      Then there are the scientists of authentication, looking into the history of the myriad of components speaking to potential authenticity - or lack.
      I’m an art lover as well as science nerd. Good fun here.

    • @StrawberryNinjaNibbles
      @StrawberryNinjaNibbles Před 5 lety +4

      Are there any good documentaries / movies / shows about it?

    • @doperfreak1
      @doperfreak1 Před 5 lety

      Ill tell you why- Its price.

    • @ryanfinco6849
      @ryanfinco6849 Před 5 lety +3

      the other reason why you may find it fascinating is that a great forgery has to be as good visually as the original, it has to be a perfect copy of a style that the forger has to learn to mimic. It takes incredible skill to forge a painting.

  • @slimkt
    @slimkt Před 4 lety +64

    Wasn’t there a documentary about a guy that donated tons of forgeries to museums and galleries a few years back? It was pretty astounding how many he got away with. Although, I think it was more due to the fact that he evaded deep analysis like this rather than that he managed to replicate pieces precisely.
    EDIT: It was called Art & Craft and it covered a prolific forger Mark Landis. Would highly recommend if anyone is interested in forgeries.

  • @ribbontoast
    @ribbontoast Před 2 lety +2

    I love how this fake is so bad it can be used to explain every fake detection technique because it trips almost all of them.

  • @melt129
    @melt129 Před 2 lety +1

    I bet these guys are so good at those spot the difference games

  • @FTWcrashtest
    @FTWcrashtest Před 5 lety +114

    It’s good to see g-eazy branching out into other fields

  • @ajodea1191
    @ajodea1191 Před 5 lety +76

    Genuine paintings have a story, I think that the story behind a forgery would be worth having on your wall, skilled artists who become rouges and all that.

  • @dtiydr
    @dtiydr Před 3 lety +3

    11:20 "This is actually a unknown kind of painting that Pollock made on his deathbed and have never been seen until this day, we are very happy to have discovered this!"

  • @FragileFlowerTarot
    @FragileFlowerTarot Před 3 lety +1

    I really enjoyed this video. It was interesting to see how they determine whether or not something is a fake. But honestly, I might be naïve. But I just could tell by looking at it. Jackson Pollock paintings are much more complex. There are layers and layers of colors.

  • @RJrules64
    @RJrules64 Před 5 lety +95

    5:09 "It looks like they spilled something on this"
    YOU DON'T SAY?

  • @simpleminded1uk
    @simpleminded1uk Před 5 lety +71

    "Well it looks like a Bob Ross but there's no video of his painting it."

  • @bulatmarin5628
    @bulatmarin5628 Před 3 lety

    Thank you. Amazing.

  • @kje3429
    @kje3429 Před rokem

    Very cool video!

  • @dukequach9641
    @dukequach9641 Před 5 lety +87

    Neal Caffrey would've given them a run for their money

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan Před 5 lety +148

    Idk why the originals of these are even worth so much

    • @dutchik5107
      @dutchik5107 Před 5 lety +29

      He was first. Also pretty sure he was already an established artist.
      Also great for washing money. And for rich people to get huge tax cuts.

    • @HJima
      @HJima Před 4 lety +19

      Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment

    • @Chironex_Fleckeri
      @Chironex_Fleckeri Před 4 lety +2

      @@dutchik5107 you don't know anything about tax codes...

    • @dutchik5107
      @dutchik5107 Před 4 lety +8

      @@Chironex_Fleckeri buy something. Donate something to a museaum. For charitable donations you get to not have to pay as much tax and it's great for your image.
      Yeah i don't know everything about the AMERICAN system, because I'm not murican. Hence my name.... no need to get all superior feeling about it.

    • @phant1795
      @phant1795 Před 3 lety

      Money laundering for the rich

  • @liamnevilleviolist1809

    3:16 to 3:19, a lovely splash of Paganini's No. 24 played on the xylophone. That weirdly made my day (since I was playing it this morning!)

  • @jeanineross8457
    @jeanineross8457 Před 2 lety

    Very cool video. Love Jackson Pollock