EXPOSING the DARK SIDE of Show Jumping
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Honestly, I am glad that you spoke out about this side of equestrian world. I have been experienced it myself and I knew it wasnât okay. For me as rider, I like to see horse as my team and work together. Unfortunately, trainers donât see that way often because they see them as lazy or telling me that I wasnât trying hard enough to give them more legs. They often like approached closer to the horses that I was riding to make them scared and go faster. I always get crops, but I am trying so hard not to use it or hit them hard to make them happy. Before my second to last riding lesson, I rode this same horse and I realized that he was afraid of me because I was told to hit him hard with crops and it hurts my heart to see that. Like okay, I will not use it and use more legs. I wish I can find a way to encourage him to be more forward, instead of being all of harsh equipment. I was on IHSA team recently, but I have to take a break from it dues to my ankle pain from kicking constantly. I donât know if anybody have been experiencing like painful in your ankles to point where it became numbs from heel down all of time. I was volunteering at IHSA horse show at my barn and oh my god, those people donât treat you very well. They are so arrogant and rude people. I am not saying all of them, but mostly. But, I am deaf myself and I often need people to get my attention by waving or whatever. I remember I was holding one of horses while another rider get on him, her teammates and coach were giving me death stare and ask me often to tighten the girth like ummm okay? Like are you telling me I am doing horrible job at tighten the girth? I knew I donât want to, but I have to please them or whatever. I got asked like three times to tighten the girths on two different horses like dude, can you just do it yourself? I didnât know about IHSA rule for that until someone told me. But, they are unappreciated đđđđ. I am often struggling with riding because mostly of my trainers want to push me to my limits until I canât reach anymore and they just abandoned me like garbage on side of road. I just donât know how can I learn more about horses beside riding because every barn expects you to pay money to learn more about horses like why do I have to pay same price as riding lesson to learn more about horses. Plus, I wish that people in equestrian world would learn more about horses, not just riding them. They are good partner to work with. That why I love them so much.
im so glad youre posting more again! youre such an inspiration to me and to see you make serious videos that so many equestrians ignore is so brave.
Thank you! I had a big enlightening and want others to be able to recognize the bad when they're taught it as "good or fine".
@@justinepalmer yes yes YES!!! today actually i had a disagreement with a family member because she insisted my horse wasnt in pain after she double barrel bucked me off within 5 seconds of me being on. thankfully a vet appt has been scheduled but you always have to trust your gut!
Thereâs this barn close to me that is huge. Iâve never been there, but I know lots of people who have worked there, boarded there, and showed there. According to them, all the horses are drugged regularly and canât even be ridden without being drugged. I find this absolutely disgusting. This one girl who competed their said it was impossible to compete against that barn because all the horses were drugged into perfection. A guy I know who used to work there said he saw this girl try to ride her horse without drugging him. That horse was so used to being drugged that we went completely nuts. Like if you have to drug your horse to ride them, maybe donât ride. Some barns are just crazy.
For the last one, ive actually experienced this. So I currently ride in IEA as a middle schooler. In one of my flat classes i noticed one of the trainers from a different barn was cheering the same way every time one of her students was in the ring. I thought it was weird but i didnt really think to much about it, I just thought that she cheered a certain way. Then i noticed that when the places were announced, that every rider for that barn was getting 4th place or better. My coaches didnt think they rode that well and I even overheard a different trainer say âyeah I dont even know. She didnt ride that well but at the end of the day itâs the judges decision not oursâ. I now realize that was what it was. Certain cheering for a better place.
I used to do IEA and you will see how shows and judging will be rigged because the team hosting or paying the judge is the team that keeps winning. Or Riders who have THAT last name will win even if they didn't ride well over riders who may not come from money but had beautiful rounds. It's one of those scenes where you can't go expecting to try and win. Some judges will do it fair and other will drop you to last for the most minor things.
iâve been subed to you since you started youtube and iâm so glad that now that you are older youâre talking about this! itâs so important for your younger subscribers to see thereâs a lot more in the horse world then rainbows and butterflies
Iâm glad you spoke up about the dark side of show jumping I have seen so many people talking about the terrible things in other disciplines but I donât often see people mention show jumping so I found this video to be very interesting đ€
I am totally going to join you for another 'tea time'! Thank-you for speaking out on this!
THE QUEEN!!! I love this type of videos! People definitely take advantage of little kids :(
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I'm glad you enjoy it! There's definitely a lot of experiences people have that can help raise awareness. So that other people are aware of the good and bad and how to look out for it.
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There was even a time I was tacking up this barn managerâs horse for a lesson and and I was unsure of how tight something should be. My trainer was having me ride this horse with double reins and a chain under her chin. (I donât use any bridle like this since I quite my lessons) Because this horse was the barn managerâs horse, I asked her if the chain was too tight. (I obviously didnât want the horse to be uncomfortable) The manager just looked at me and said âI donât know. Youâre the one who rides her.â And then kept walking. Like dude. This is your horse. Iâm just a student. Your horse is being ridden with a chain. Donât you want to check and make sure it isnât too tight?? Just found that absolutely baffling.
So happy youâre posting again!!
Hey Justine!
I just want to say you look super pretty in this video and just in general
I'm happy to see you be posting again!
That is so sweet, thank you! â€ïžâșïž
@@justinepalmer no problem Justine đ«¶đŒđâ€ïž
A friend of mine who shows, had a similar experience with another rider and trainer, and all she had to do was literally that and she ended up winning.
Wow
THIS!!!!! Omg the equestrian community can be foul! So glad more people are starting to talk about this. Iâm huge into horse welfare and at the college im at i see it slide through the cracks again and again and again, Iâve seen people slap these college horse and Iâve seen some of the lectures using ropes and whips to get the horses to do what they want. Itâs just sad. AND my BEHAVIOUR AND WELFARE teacher- litterally her job to teach us about welfare- admitted to using cruel boots on horses. I was like what the heck
its so sad to see that a sport which was designed to showcase the connection a rider had with their horse has become so ensnared in greed, graft, and power grabs.
Thank you for speaking out on these topics!
Thanks again for the awsome video!!! I personally witnessed someone slap and whip their horse in the showjumping ring. I was at a horse show and there were a ton of horses there. (This was my local barn) there was this new horse, who was clearly stressing out, trying to return to the barn.
Then it was their turn to jump. They entered the ring, did their canter circle, and then the horse stopped. Someone had started to take pictures with the flash on. Then the rider started kicking and slapping the horse as if it were the grand nationals and her life was on the line. Like girl, chill its just a local competition, your horse is way more important.
It can be very hard to watch especially when you know it's wrong. But it's also important to have in mind that maybe the rider sometimes doesn't know it's wrong or is being taught to do that/told that's how you get "control" of the horse. This was one of my examples in my "Biggest regrets as a beginner equestrian", because as a kid I was taught to whip and kick and spur. I was taught the dominating method. I'm not defending the actions as it is definitely wrong. And not saying that she definitely didn't know, but that's why I make these videos now. So that more people can start to recognize the bad.
@@justinepalmer Yes, I know what you mean. Some trainers are just more old school and dominating with their techniques
So glad you made this video to spred horse abuse awarness #End horse abuseđ
whoever did the water jump must really like making horses never want to go into any water again đđđ
Right?! Iâd imagine the horse would be TERRIFIED
Man been watching your videos since idk a few years ago. I guess with the newer content you make, i kinda reflect and remember my own expereiences with the horse comunnity :') People being envious of eachother, looking down on eachother, etc. Adults looking down on kids that don't know any better (or if they are "poor" (wouldn't call it actually poor obv) instead of helping them. I guess at the same time i can't say i regret having those expereinces due to them showing up in life anyways, at least you are kinda prepared for them. And yes, horse abuse is awfully common, at least, where i live, with horses being overworked, malnourished, etc. Kids that want to help oout and be with horses, basically being free employees. Another thing is a lot of times the skill itself doesn't matter, you can see so many great and talented riders that get nothing, but that's life i guess. Obviously i don't want to say that there are no good people in the equestrian community, there are, but i must say it is one of the most toxic ones i have expereinced.
I love your videos! I've been watching since 2018ish!
Love that!
this is all so true. this is honestly so sad to see people do this. thank you for talking about it! and the electric one is so sad.
Iâm so glad you posted today! Itâs my birthday đ thank you for being so brave and sticking up for horses!
Happy birthday!!
@@justinepalmer thank you đ
Happy Birthday!!
@@cowgirlandprincess thanks but it ended up not being so great in the end đ
People are so cruel, My loan horse was abused, her mouth was all cut up and she was deprived of a field and was in a black dark tiny stable, she was over jumped toođđ so sad people are horrible! xx
I love it. Tea time with Justine đ
oo 3rd iâm excited to watch!
At my yard placing isnt by best itâs justđ because in every showjumping round with another comp like dress up sheâd be picked because she is the year something or others nieceđł
ty for sharing xo
I heard from my trainer of a circumstance where a trainer on A circuits would ask the judge to place their rider really low so they would be inclined to buy a horse from them
oo that's quite scammy :/
Number 1 ways how to traumatize horses đ€ąđ€ź i know more horse abuse in horse racing and saddle seat than show jumping soo..i needed to know this tbh andâŠholly was actually lucky to be with u cus u would never abuse horses âïžâ€ and this pony i use to ride has been traumatized with girth tightening (it reminded me of u saying they tightened something)
You're very brave for posting this and sticking up for horses!
Were you talking about Charlotte and that trainer in some of these?
I'm not going to be mentioning any trainers or horses by name, I'm not looking to spread direct allegations that could get legal, just looking to spread awareness through my experiences.
10:09 . My trainer cheers for me. But not to make me win đ just only cuz she was proud of me, not to help me win. But honestly, that doesnât sound like the trainer to me, that sounds like the judges fault. She/he shouldnât place someone higher cuz their trainer cheered. Idk, maybe that just me đ€·ââïž
4THHHH OMGGGGGGG
I love more serious videos. In my opinion jumping over 4-5 feet is excessive and bad for the horses legs and well being. †I canât believe what people will do just for moneyâŠ
its just sad to be honest
Absolutely
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5 thhh