Savage Abuse: Ben Talbot VS Brittany Fraser - Where is the line?
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2018
- I woke up this morning to read that Ben Talbot has been suspended for two months based on his behavior in this video which has been called a "savage" beating by the meeting. When I woke up this morning to read the headlines, I, like most people wanted to watch the video, but as I watched I could not help but think that this style of riding looks all to familiar and wondered why it was an issue this time.
Is the FEI only banning riders when there is social media outcry? And only stopping abuse when it happens on a live stream?
If the stewards start calling out abuse in the warm up, they lose their jobs, if judges start ruling it out in the show ring in dressage they will no longer be invited back to judge. Heck, if they dont give the Global Dressage Show favorites the right scores they wont get invited back either, but that is for another video.
How do we balance accountability to the sport and to the horses when the only people with anything to lose are those that call the shots on what is abuse?
At a time when the whole world is watching and the FEI is doing there best to control the media it seems the only time they want to control the riders is when there is a social media outcry and their reputation is at stake. Seems like an exhausting business model for those of us sitting on the sidelines. Kind of takes all of the fun out of a watching the sport.
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If they do this in a public setting....makes you wonder what they do in private.
For real.
Exactly
If you train a horse out of fear, it will always fear something more than you. If you train it with trust, it will trust you when it is afraid.
That last one should of been a punished. You never take your anger out on the horse!
CoolLikeGrass oh yeah, if you checked the original video, the announcer literally shouts “HEY!” and then rings the bell three times to disqualify him. He said to immediately go see the judges
Serendipity Stables Oh good!! That is really good that he got called out! Thanks for letting me know. I watched this without the sound on
CoolLikeGrass I don’t know if he got banned from riding or anything, but I can’t imagine what the judges told him
CoolLikeGrass surely, I mean I’m pretty sure three bells means disqualification. I personally think after an act like that, they should take the horse away from him and give it a better home
He was immediately dismissed, all of his horses disqualified, and he was kicked off the showgrounds. He had received an official warning in April and as this was his second within a year, he automatically received a 2mo suspension from all FEI events. The horse has been removed from his stable and two of his sponsors have cut ties so far. So.. yes. He's been punished.
The man was clearly "beating" the horse out of anger. It was overt and can't be denied. The woman is questionable at best. I didn't see anything from her that necessarily raised my blood pressure. But the guy, definitely! He deserved what he got in my opinion.
Ben Talbot was disqualified, the PA reported him to the judges immediately and got a punishment (disqualification)
The Dressage looked awkward and horrible but the grey Jumper (Talbot) was hit WAY too severely for it NOT to be anger. Grey was jumping out of his skin after the beating stopped. Rider error should not be taken out on the horse.
If my horse refuses to jump I don’t hit it I give him a little pat on the neck then go around it and I whisper “it’s okay buddy it’s okay” then we finally go over it I’m not a jerk who forces horses that dumb person was very forcing I wonder what he does in training
@@angelaequestrian7465 Yay! Finally a person who understands! Most of the time when my horse refuses its my fault, maybe I messed up the striding or something and what I do is pat her, and scratch her favourite spot on her withers (she loves it) :) and at the end of my rides I without a doubt give her a treat :)
The last Rider Talbott should have been disqualified he is repeatedly whipping that horse with all the strength he has because he's angry. It's unprofessional it's abuse it's disgusting!
I read an article saying he had been expelled for wiping his horse too harshly, that's why I'm here actually. I guess it was this one time. What a horrible man...
Absolutely outrageous & totally unacceptable. Horrible to watch & i can’t fathom how this is allowed. Very disappointing 🙁
No one was 'putting up with' this behavior ... he was tossed out and given a two month suspension at the height of competition season. So there is no wait for justice, he was punished.
makes me so sad that these things are still happening and the responsible people don't give a damn
But the judge expelled Talbot so people do care more than what we can see in the videos.
@@shizukagozen777 his horse should've been rehomed, just banning someone doesn't stop the abuse.
@@jalynneevans
But for that, he must be judged first. We can't take people's property just like that, it's not as simple.
When a horse is a tool of someones fame the horse suffers!!!!!
There is no comparison to the dressage test ride and the stadium course. I don't even know why yall are trying to lump them together
Makes me want to vomit. The more I find out about dressage and eventing, the more depressed I become.
I was a show steward, I did kick a woman out of a show for abuse of a horse in the ring, it was the last time I was hired to steward. She had a big barn lots of students and refused to attend a show if I stewarded. she had over faced a young horse. The average horses at that show were about 16hh, she comes in on a youngster that is pushing 18hh and so he had a hard time doing a triple jump... no kidding. She beat him in the ring and I headed for the out gate to get to her, as she comes out she started to whip him about the head... Always comes back to money talks.
You should be commended!
holy crap this has me shook! I hate this stuff and the fact that the last one took his freaking anger out on his horse is just sad. It makes me mad knowing people don’t care for the horses, only the winning :(
Egos money ribbons= Hell for the horse
Defiantly not good horsemanship or patience. Really bad example
Second time I've seen the Talbot video. The horse refused because Talbot had him in so much of a tight grip that he couldn't move his head to judge the height.
Sorry for my bad English.
can a judge, interrupt a horse and rider in the middle of the performance? And Disqualify the rider?
These are clear as can be. But abuse is the norm nowadays. The dressage that is now seen as normal has nothing to do with horse welfare but is only about ego. Hyperflexion and Rollkur are accepted for some reason. It has to end
The first video, yeah the horse was forward already. The rider was sitting way back, pulling, kicking, and whipping. That is NOT fair to the horse. The second video, that was way out of line. The horse stopped and the rider began BEATING HIM. Just one whip behind the leg then turning around to approach the jump again would have sufficed.
I think he do the same on his training and no one saw what he was doing ... we have to „ask” horses to make amazing team. Not master and slave.... :/
These people need to be banned from even owning horses . That isn't the fault of the horse . Its all on the riders' shoulders !
That's what I was thinking. What do they do to their horses in private when they can do that in public ?? Poor things.
Some people have to chill tf out when riding
Agreed,this is pure abuse.I also hate the double bit use in dressage.Just sad what people do so they can be cool...Or for a price
This makes me mad😡
I hate when people pull on the bit/reins! Horses all ready dont like a medal pain device in their mouth..!
When I was first learning about dressage (as someone who doesn't ride English) - what it was, and what it should look like in the ring - I was told that you shouldn't even be able to tell that the rider is giving cues. That was back in 2005-2006ish and I was amazed at how subtle riders were. Now? All I see is kick kick kick WHIP WHIP kick YANK PULL kick, all the way down the length of the arena and back. And this is only what they're comfortable doing _in front of an audience/camera_ too.
What do they do when Noone can See what they do! Unimaginable.....
All I see is that you clearly need to train your horse better if they're going to misbehave in the ring. The first one I don't see a lot of abuse, the head was on the parallel but the horse didn't know what it was doing.
Ben Talbot should never be near a horse again
Test, where is the linę?
Whoa mensas..I've not seen any quite like that...🐎
I think there is a great deal of hypocricy around what we find appalling in the treatment of animals. Whilst I believe competition horses should be treated as fairly as possible, I do live in a country which legally allows us to take calves off their mothers' so we can drink their milk. I have never been punished for having a glass of milk whilst the cow I'm taking it from is bellowing for her lost child she has carried inside of her for 9 months. No one is shouting at me "foul play" Or no one gets upset when I eat a piece of pork which is from a pig that has lived in diabolical conditions. Horse people generally happily tuck into their dead bullock burgers whilst grumbling about some rider who has been too harsh with the reins, or used a whip too harshly. It is total bewildering to me. I'd personally much rather be hit with a whip a few times than have my new born child taken from me. I say this as one of the hypocrites , as I'm guilty as hell myself.
David Carter cows don't have a 'child'...don't put human emotions on animals.
well try stealing a lion cub from a lioness in the wild if you want to know about how a mammal feels about its new born and you will realise I'm not putting human emotions on animals
stormysocks that's the best you could come up with? Because he said child instead of calf, not only is that petty it's really grasping. At times like this you should probably just not say anything at all.
new mother cows often eat their children... it’s for the safety of the calf not just for milk.
wtf its wrong whit people i dont know
BAST@RDS THE PAIR OF THEM!! I bet that dressage horse was buted up to the ears, hoping (A) The horse's ACUTE lameness would be masked long enough for the poxy test to be performed (TBH there should officials reporting mistreatment and lameness from the warm-up area. I feel that would discourage owners / riders from making the journey with an already injured horse. Also it would block injured horses from making it to the competition arena. Heavy fines too for riders and trainers for having them ridden in a lame / injured condition.) And (B) Of course they hope they can somehow "wing it" past drug testing. In my book if they're willing to compete on a horse blatantly on 3 legs, then they'll go to extreme lengths to avoid getting found out too!!
Agreed
God no😓
Poor horses all just for a damn ribbon. Horse riding is suppost to be a partner ship. Not this. These riders should never be allowed to touch an animal ever again.
I came accros that ben guy today at Knokke Hippique en he was acting really weird. He asked us into his truck he offered us something to drink and he was talking about how we could be he’s futute wifes. We are 13! I didn’t feel comfortable at all so we left i’m not saying he had bad intensions but yeah, you know
Sorry for my english!!
@@anneverbeek7924 women that whip and spur horses are creepy
Win at all cost. That saddle slug in the dressage arena just kept going. Never checking to see that her horse was ok.
If you really see no difference between these two you really shouldn't be rating the riders and especially doing it at the educational channel. The way you manipulated videos with Brittany is awful.
There should be an act that can have a rider’s horse confiscated and ban the rider from any competing for a few years. A hefty fine would be great too. Abuse in any form is unacceptable and there should be zero tolerance for it.
Tosspot sport.
All dressage isn't cruel..
wrong. Horses are not slaves to be ridden, it should be banned