What is the MOST POWERFUL Star Destroyer in Thrawn's Revenge? | Empire At War Expanded
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 9. 01. 2020
- đ¶ Eck does a breakdown of some of the most POWERFUL Star Destroyer's in Thrawn's Revenge. We discuss which ships need a buff and which need a nerf.
The game featured is called Empire at War: Thrawn's Revenge, and is one of the Empire at War Expanded series. It is one of the most popular Star Wars Empire at War real time strategy mod currently. Created by CoreyLoses, Thrawns Revenge is completely FREE and can easily be downloaded via the Steam Workshop. Got something to say about Thrawn's Revenge? Or Star Wars Empire at War in general? Be sure to let us know in the comments below!
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Hi all, here are all the timestamps for all the battles:
đč *Imperial-II vs Nebula đč **2:55*
đč *Imperial-II vs MC90 đč **7:15*
đč *Endurance vs Venator đč **13:05*
đč *Allegiance Fleet vs New Republic Fleet đč **16:35*
đč *New Republic Fleet vs Bellator đč **22:15*
đč *Viscount vs 6 Star Destroyers đč **27:00*
đč *?!?!?! đč **41:30*
EcksToo was this the gamemode where you spawned a couple hundred Nebulan-B on that stream?
What about the Ascendency?
Ok... So uh yeah, usually when someone makes a video and the title of the video is a question... The question is answered... At no point in the video did you say which ship is the strongest...
The Star Destroyers seem to maneuver in good order while the New Republic shuffle about all disorganized.
Nebula really needs a buff if it's not just a "AI is stupid" thing. According to Wookiepedia:
... the Nebula-class was built to be a match for an Imperial II.
It was designed to be able to defeat any one enemy Star Destroyer, two heavy cruisers, or an entire line of smaller Imperial support ships.[1] It mounted defenses strong enough to resist even some of the smaller Super Star Destroyers or analog warships.[2]
Although the gun count on it seems low, I don't think EAW takes into account faster firing rates/power per shot of each gun. I think this might be why the Nebula isn't where it should be at.
the subtitles at the start "hello guys, this is a cart slaughter"
And these are subtitles someone actually wrote. Not auto-generated.
@@walnzell9328 they also spelled thrawn as throne
God damn eck, the whole point of star destroyers is to point the bow at the enemy and fire everything. Why do you continuously broadside instead. Even the nebula eventually bowed into you. The entire point of being a gigantic wedge is that everything on your hull can hit whatâs directly in-front of you. This game isnât set in the age of sail. You are intentionally disregarding half of your weaponry.
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and then you let the allegiance use only half its firepower yet again. The bloody design even changed up the barbettes to be more useful pointing straight ahead, but no, you let it broadside.
What's broadsiding?
Killian Peter firing from your side like old pirate ships would fight eachother side on
@asaeampan Well you over reacted.
Dude cool your broadside lol
@@ryandanielable
Look, the imperial ships are not from the 40k universe, they arenât meant to broadside. In his comparison videos he complains at how bad they are for not being able to bring half itâs main firepower to bear if itâs broadsiding, which he is most cowreckt at saying. Because they werenât meant to. The whole Eclipse video they made makes zero sense. Why would it pop in close then pull up alongside the other ship? It wouldnât. It would pop up real close, then keep its bow pointed at the enemy so it could fire its big doom laser before the enemy had a chance to retaliate, or at least fire more then half its bloody main armament. Gaaaahh, itâs driving me nuts! I suppose I should take the wheel off of them.
If you move the spawn ships closer to each other the ships will spawn in firing range and not run away from each other when you start the battle, I tried the ISD II vs Nebula as well and the Nebula won cause it didn't run away.
Felipe Mestre how bout the mc90?
Good call
@@rayssecond7135 I justr tried it against the ISD II as well, unlike with Eck it used it's shield regen ability and had a much better time just like the Nebula, no idea why it uses the shield in my game but not in Eck's game.
I just tried that too twice and the ISD II still won quite handily both times. I think the nebula's shields are too weak and needs more hardpoints
@@janner919 yeah I tried again as well, I am not sure but I think the Nebula has a longer range, and since the ISD won't move up unless you tell it to attack, the Nebula ends up doing more damage, at least that is the only explanation I could find as to why it won on that specific ocassion. Sad to see though that indeed the ISD II is much stronger.
Those dreadnought spawns at the end though lol.
What about a Star Wars Historic Fleets vs each other series with actuall ship counts / and or historic battles with accurate ship counts representing what was in the battle - might be cool (Don't know if Corey would help with unit count but would be neat)
corey's datapad actually has a couple episodes of that.
I would love to see the Eclipse with an escort fleet and the viscount also with an escort
Edit: No superlaser shot, just an escort fleet for each
Eclipse would one shot the viscount with its frontal beam so not really a fair fight
The viscount would survive the shot in the mod actually. Not by much though. But I should have clarified without using the super laser, just small escort fleets
@@KevinRodriguez-zr1ut As cool as it would be for fun, I'm pretty sure the viscount would almost always beat the eclipse if the Eclipse is handicapped like that. It's whole game balance is built around having the superlaser shot, and because of this it is nerfed in various ways like less powerful shields, no Ion cannons, etc. Maybe if Eck went into the XML and changed the stats a little ha.
I'm fairly certain that can be made up for, depends on the escort ships you're using for each fleet. 1v1 though, Viscount wins 7/10 times without superlaser from the Eclipse
Then the Viscount should go to war without its shields. To be fair.
Secutors always look very intimidating to me when I'm fighting them because of their size, but they really do go down pretty quick if you can focus on them.
Only thing that intimidates about the Secutor is itâs amount of fighters it can carry
@@tallerstond8105 Yeah, that is actually a good point, though usually I'm more concerned about the lag all the fighters will cause.
Johnathan Spence facts
Anyone who builds a Secutor deserves to lose the entire fleet
It is the worst of all SDs, lore wise, appearance wise, and effectiveness wise.
I'd love you to revisit this when the AI's performance and ship balance have been tweaked (if that's possible, if not that's totally fine).
I think a video on how many [insert crappy ship] does it take to destroy a [big chonky ship] might also be fun :)
75 Z-95 Squadrons against a Vicount?
@@Cardinal8427 Viscount wins. Saved you 2 hours.
The Bothan Assault Cruiser needs a buff, one on one it loses to a Victory II-class Star Destroyer the ship it was intended to replace.
EDIT: I did an ISD2 vs Nebula matchup and the ISD2 didn't lose a single hardpoint, really disappointing to see the main ship of the Republic Engineering Corporation preforming so badly.
My problem with the new republic as well, most of their ships are still far too weak
Hey Eck and I hope youâve been having a fantastic day! Again today is the day where Iâm just getting around to watching the videos from this week that I was too busy to earlier. I have got to say Iâve been loving all the Star Destroyer content youâve been doing recently cause I just love Star destroyers lol. Something about one long dorito boi absolutely smashing one large pickle is very enjoyable to watch lol. My favorite part is when you started jumping in dreadnoughts at the end, I just flipped open my laptop next to me and started blasting the imperial march. Like I could just imagine the look that one poor rebel task force commanders face would have on it when one of his ensigns walked up to him on the bridge and said. âSir, quite a few rather triangly looking asteroids seem to be on a collision course for us, shall we change course yet?â Then the commander turns to the transparisteel window, his eyes nearly fall out of his head and he says âTHATS no moo- I mEAN asteroid ensign! Thatâs a battlestat- I mEaN Star Destroyer dreadnought!â
Venator STILL the best since the Clone Wars
23:40
I remember playing as the Pentastar Alignment and had (1 time) a fleet of two Belator Mini SSDs and (another time) had three fleets with a SSD leading each fleet. One Belator fleet, Another Belator fleet, and then the Vengeance SSD fleet.
The Bellators are Super Star Dreadnoughts. The Executor is a Super Star Destroyer.
Well I see the Bellators as Star Dreadnoughts.
@@lightningphoenix7155 Star Dreadnought is the official Imperial name for the general class of Super Star Destroyer.
dude ive been watching your channel for maybe a year, (the first one) and i literally just got Empire at war and grabbed some mods for it, and i had no idea you were into this game this is cool timing man. I am very thankful to Corey and everyone else adding gameplay and depth to this game, its really really sweet. Ive been watching your streams on my other monitor while i practice against the AI since i dont have any friends that play lol....
you should check out Nomada Firefox's EAW Alliance mod
Great video! Definitely gonna buy the game after this videođ
I think the problem you are having with some of the ships facing the wrong direction is not a bug, but instead the Ai behaving the way it was designed to, it's basically just a whole lot of "Nope." While you are trying to do an experiment to find out who has the most firepower, the AI already knows the answer to that question and is attempting to flee. Keep in mind this reaction is likely due to nothing more than pure numerical data. It's assessing the number of guns you have and the number of guns it has and then going "You know what, I think not." While things like positioning, abillities, and overall tactics in general can greatly sway a battle in one direction or another the AI does not know how to take any of that into account, so it doesn't.
If you really wanted to see how a ship like the MC90 or the Nebula would fair against the Star Destroyer in the capacity that you are trying to do, then you need to let the AI drop in the Star Destroyer and see if you don't get a different reaction. Once the battle reaches a certain numerical value that the AI feels it is outclassed by then it attempts to retreat, in a normal battle this is the moment when you'd see the hyperspace countdown, but since that is likely disabled here they just turn around and flee for the edge of the map... which to be fair if you dropped out of hyperspace all by yourself and the only other ship in orbit was an Imperial Class Star Destroyer, would not be an unfair reaction.
Nebula's cost more but are weaker then the ISD-II. I thought the Nebula was supposed to be able to 1v1 an ISD in lore?
Nebula was designed to be on even terms with an ISD-II, be capable of surviving a smaller SSD, and deal with up to 2 cruisers. Ultimately bow-to-bow it is basically even with most ISD-IIs, though there were experimental and refitted ISD-IIs that could massively outdo others in damage output and even Victory-Class ships in the case of the Maw Irregular Fleet. Nebula and ISD-II effectively were the peaks of Star Destroyer and general aggressive capital-class designs even going into the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.
Thank god there's never been a viscount in any of my playthroughs as the Pentastar Alignment. Normally by the end, all I'm facing is the Eraidu Authority and it's easy to beat them.
@42:18 Brought tears to my eyes. All hail the Empire! ;p
I think it would be cool, if you covered the Chiss ships. Like the Ascendancy, wich is just a WAY better Venator, or the Phalnax, that can easily 1o1 a Imperial Stardestroyer, if used right.
Can we have more of these battles?!
Love the work you guys pump out, Eck.
Been playing EAW and FOC since day one, been playing mods for years.
Would love to see some comparisons between TR and EAW:Re
Also, ever want a scrub lord to sh*t over, happy to be a Guinea Pig.
You should get people to summit fleet designs and pit them agaisnt your own
It'd be pretty dope to see this used with your narration.
Are there any other EAW mods with instant action/fleet builder like the new mod that they are working on?
Hey Eck do you think the A.I. for the NR might need a bit of a buff in this option of play? Or re work in this since for the most part everything runs from The Empire. It is a cool option to play though.
I remember reading something about the Bothan assault frigate at the beginning of the New Order books.
Love your videos eck! Just a quick question: which mods do you use? Is it only thrawns revenge or more than that? Thanks in advance
Louis Renz I think itâs just Thrawnâs Revenge
I wanna see a video where you use the Instant Action fleet maker to recreate historical battles.
Examples:
1. Battle of Bilbringi
2. Battle of Mon Calamari (Dark Empire)
3. Battle of the Dreadnoughts
Would love to see ISD-I vs. Rebel fleet of Nebulon-Bs, Corvettes, gunships, and other small support craft. I base this idea off the line from the original guide to vehicles and vessels: an ISD can take on an entire rebel fleet and still expect victory.
Can you please make a video on how to download the fall of the republic mod. Iâm having some trouble with it, and after following all the instructions, when I launch forces of corruption, it doesnât launch the mod.
Hey Eck, this is really random, but I tested it and the Viscount can actually tank a hit from the Eclipse's superlaser pretty well! I was curious because of the Battle of the Dreadnoughts film, so I went into TR and found out.
The Viscount, at least in-game, is an absolute champion when it comes to tanking damage, so I'm not too surprised.
I know it's not part of legends, but I liked the idea that the Nebula class couldn't quite match an ISD, but that with a weakened empire that couldn't afford to repair heavily damaged star destroyers, the idea was to deter ISDs. With the Nebula having so, so much less volume, it would sort of make sense.
That's clear
"Tartan Cruiser reporting"
How do you control the cinematic camera
Not sure how easy it would be for you to work out, maybe best done in Mp with an assistant, but perhaps taking the time to go through this sortof thing with the EAW Remake mod? I think it'd be fun to see your takes, and its a different way to contrast two excellent EAW mods!
I love how this game portrays the star destroyer's lack of point defense system.
The 225 patch nebulas were way more op than the new one I'm guessing?
Wanted to ask, as i saw it in the Thrawn's revenge Main menu, the new republic was facing head on with their SSD, while the imperials were using it at broadside. bringing up the question of whats better and why, as id assume the broadside would be worse as less guns can aim at target, but then i realized that every gun enters the range at the same time allowing for a more sudden volley at maximum potential power, rather than waiting for the SSD (with its awful speed) to slowly get all its guns into range. (half maximum instantly during combat or slowly up to max potential)
simplified: why or why not turn your SSD broadside?
I have jumped out of hyperspace to fight a star destroyer I try to retreat but in that 10 seconds I lose have of my fleet and I had to rebuild it which took a while. I am still worried about that fleet being so close to my core planet
I agree that the Nebula and Endurance should be dominant in their roles, but they maybe shouldnt win against like an ISD 2, because the Nebula is a multi role capital ship whereas the ISD 2 is straight anti capital ship.
the ISD really isnt straight anti capital ship. It carries a massive complement of ground forces and fighters for planetary assault. If anything the Nebula is far more specialized in an anti-capital ship role than the ISD is.
Plus the Nebula was specifically designed to be better than the ISD and defeat them one-on-one.
How many cr-90s are able to destroy an executer SSD?
Can you do a galactic conquest guide for Thrawns Revenge?how different it is to the vanilla gc?
what batton you press to rotate your camera like at 5:35 if you know plz tell me
I know the answer is late, but its CTRL on the left.
You know theres no advantage to changing your ship to the side right? The entire point of the wedge shape of star destroyers is all the guns can fire on an enemy infront of you.
Will there be a Xyston Star destroyer soon?
Shouldn't the Nebula/Endurance have K-Wings instead of B-Wings? Those bombers and competent AI would show a much closer match I think.
I just spam either Victory II's or Bullwarks in close formation, makes a mess but does the job.
I have a feeling that the a.i in this mode is quite derpy. I have tried fleet battles with this and the a.i just leaves half it's fleet behind so you can destroy them piecemeal. And the a.i doesn't uses it fighters effectively having them do nothing unless you get close
You could use this mod and stuff in the background of starship verses
Is this a high res pack of the mod?
eck wich faction has the best ssd
Hi everyone. I want to get a laptop to play all the mods. R the following specs overkill or too little if I want this thing to work on the mods for years? Thanks! Intel i7-9750H, GTX 1660 Ti 6GB, 16GB DDR4. If I can go cheaper great.
I would be very intrigued to see 40 lancers vs a nebula/MC90 or just a stupidly high amount of praetors vs a large NR fleet XD
How many tie fighters does it take to destroy a Super star destroyer?
Yes
1 just do what that a-wing did lol
Enough to crash my game, I'm sure.
At least three, maybe more
Was the survival mode removed?
yay, eckhart likes my favorite ship!
Its the gladiator
You should do a battle with one of every kind of imperial ship and one of every kind of new republic fleet ship
Does the game require a good computer?
Suggestion for you - you do some excellent videos about manoeuvres and battles that happened and the tactics or formation that won the battle.
Why not make videos showing how you can, at least 'try' to emulate and replicate these tactics successfully in the game? I think that would be cool.
While not the most powerful or large, I love the procusator SD in this mod. It's compact and can pack a punch, it reminds me of the pocket battleships of the early XX century.
my main fleet that I've used thus far is a mix of Procursators, Gladiators, and Secutor's, with Procursators making up most of the fleet in terms of cost. So yeah I love it too.
I've been able to take out 2 isd 2s with a mc90 using it's shield boost
maybe the Praetor Mark II-class Battlecruiser
, i find the enemy has the hardest time with these star destroyers when i use them.
Can you help me? Dos anyone has a solution for low fps?
Wow the Nebula class really is the "tank destroyer" of E@W and that is the C&C version that can't beat a heavy tank even though it is specialized to an anti-vehicle role and will lose to anything else, but still loses to certain vehicles.
You have failed the allegiance star destroyer for the last time
My opinion (as a new player, for Imperial ships) looking at the actual ships themselves:
Victory 1: I don't build them for some reason, but they're decent ships.
Victory 2: Seems less powerful at first, and may very well lose a 1v1 with a Victory 1, but is better overall.
Venator: Why does this thing not have Lasers? The Providence does, so why not this?
Procursator: I've never really used them much, but they're basically discount Imp-1s. Very capable of Ganking larger ships.
Imp-1: I've never really used them much, but they're somewhere between a Victory 2 and an Imp 2. Overall worse than an Imp-2 - obviously - but I don't see any other upsides. Best treated as an Imp-2 with ~75% of the firepower.
Tector: Imp-1 minus hangars. I think it needs to be buffed.
Imp-2: The baseline. Powerful against Capitals (as intended) but not as bulky as I'd like. Very capable of ganking dreadnoughts.
Secutor: More powerful Venator. Not as powerful ship-to-ship as an Imp-2, but with a lot more carrier capacity, and as such an overall better ship.
Allegience: Quite good. Bad at focusing fire, but able to take on 2 Imp-2s at once and come out alive. Pairs well with Ton-Falk spam, but bad at squaring up to larger ships.
Praetor II: Much more powerful than an ISD-2, but gets outranged by everything.
Bellator: Never used it, but it seems like a discount SSD.
Executor: Chonky. Seems to have useable shields.
Eclipse: Never used, never faced.
I too love the gladiator
I'd like to see a Vengeance vs Executor. Since both are SSDs of equal length and that the former is based on the latter if I'm not mistaken.
Muhammad Hanif yeah, the architect designer for the Vengeance-Class SSD said "Fuck all that extra chonk ! We need some focused firepower and a new terrifying design..."
Honestly I think the mc80b is one of the most efficient ships in the game...
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It does not cost a ton, does not take up much unit cap, has ok star fighters, GREAT SHIELDS!!, u can get it early on, and it has good firepower...
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1 on 1 an ISD will pry win but it looks like it shines in long drawn out combat because it can be lost and replaced faster then an mc90 can be...
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I also think that 10 mc80bs would be a fun meme fleet to try... just to see how it does in a campaign.
OK, so I tried this game mode out and I wanted to know if the Nebula is really worth it's 16 population points. So I put it against an ISD-II, no other ships. The Nebula was easily destroyed, and I mean easily. Its badly under powered, both in shields and weapons.
And this made me sad, because the Nebula is my favourite star destroyer. Its a beautiful ship, and I love it, but it just has gutless weapons and it can't do the damage. The Endurance has the same problem. The weapons the Nebula has should be what the Endurance has, and the Nebula needs at least another two heavy twin turbolasers and another two heavy turbolasers, preferably with some heavy ion cannons and some more missile tubes.
The MC90 is a much better ship, it's got significantly more firepower than the Nebula and its more versatile with the shield recharge ability.
The Keldabe, which I've got because I've taken Mandalore in my playthrough, are tough old boots that have handed Praetors their arses (with fighter support).
ISD II's were literally designed to kill enemy capital ships for 90% of its purpose, and 10% as a TIE fighter carrier, so it completely makes sense that it would dominate in 1v1 capital ship engagements. None of the other ships were designed with that focus in mind.
ISD's were designed to keep planetary systems in check, and as such, carry massive complements of ground forces.
Meanwhile, the Nebula was designed specifically to defeat ISD II's, lacking the kind of logistical considerations the ISD has in favor of more powerful reactors and weaponry... So it should absolutely curbstomp ISD's.
â@@lenkagamine4145isd2 carried ground troops but it was absolutely designed to destroy opposing capital ships
Why not buff the nebulas yourself?
its so sad the Predator gets lost at a later technology level
11:00 episode 8 much?
its weird how many late era rebel ships lose to empire ships bothan cruiser against victory 2 is2 vs nebula etc
20 bellators v 1 eclipse
Couldnât you just go into the mod files and look at the stats? But I guess that would kill the fun đ used to make ISDs cost 1 population lmao
Mite i suggest you do a small Vid to show which is the BEST Star Destroyer in EaW:TR you of all people should know power isnt everything my good man.
If we're talking Star Destroyer like ISD sizeish and not Praetor, Allegiance, etc, it really comes down to the situation and what it's being used for. An ISD 2 can 1v1 pretty much any ship it's size or lower, but if it's facing a bunch of carriers and such it's lessened point defence is going to be a problem.
All around good I'd say the Nebula if it gets a bit of a buff, as its around ISD level but smaller and IIRC, faster. But again, obviously it won't be the best option in every situation.
Personally I just really like the ISD 2 as the backbone of a fleet. I love the SSDs, but for general guard duty on frontline worlds and for supporting the bigger ships, it's my favourite as long as it has some carriers to take out bombers.
The eclipse...
random question #1: Are you Canadian?
I was so disappointed by the Nebula within the mod, it really is a pet peeve of mine.
32:55 corona
Do a mod of it
The venator won because it has a very sturdy hull most likely.
Really unusual though. The endurance is decades newer, it should have had a far better showing, even with being faced the wrong way for some of it.
The Venator is my favourite capital ship, but it should have been obliterated.
It should have but Iâm just adding a suggestion for why it did win
It is also my favorite capital ship
You forgot the hapans...
You favor the New Republic way too much. Not fair.
If only the Rise of Skywalker had a space battle like in 37:20
It was such a shame how they only focused on the starfighter action. Like what's the point of the resistance to have starfighters if they can't have big ships. Big ships + starfighters = win.
This is a big dissapointment, the Nebula ISD and the MC90 should be able to kill without any problem ISD 2's and Tectors on its own, and here they seem unable to do so alone
I love mods of empire at war, empire at war is a great game, like if you think same
Nebula dps is too low imo
Most powerfull ship is the most powerfull ship simple as that heh
Yay
WHY DIDN'T YOU NAME THIS VIDEO EMPIRE AT LORE đ
ECK
please stop skipping the end of the battles.
my favorite part of battles in this game is when the battered ship finnaly get blown to pieces soi instead of skipping it please just edit the explosion into the vid
thx for reading this!
if ur reading it
Why does it cost money im such a cheapskate
First Comment!
Yeah new class ships suck