The Emperor Of Mankind's 5 BIGGEST Mistakes | Warhammer 40k Lore
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While the Emperor of often lauded for all the good he is done for humanity through his great crusade and might - lets not forget about the times he has seriously stuffed things up - resulting in the horrible current state of the galaxy
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Were they all mistakes or was some just housekeeping? Angron was a broken tool. Lorgar was the weakest of all primarchs. Why bother with them. Better to actively push them away and focus on the ones you want to keep. We know the Emperor knew some would turn
Umm nightmare fuel....
His real mistake is not developing people skills and communication techniques beside his warp-powered charisma. If he learned to articulate himself clearly, all disasters would be averted
@@charlesc.9012 he convinced a whole bunch of perpetuals to help him and led a galaxy spanning empire and you think he can't express his thoughts?
Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans current situation would be pretty cool ngl
I think I've seen you before
Definitely
Def one of the best ideas i heard in a while. Would love to see that
Yeah
Great idea honestly
The book scars makes it clear that magnus wanted 0 restrictions or forbidden knowledge to psykers. Jagahatai and sanguinius joined him in designing the librarius specifically to help control magnus' thirst for psychic power as well as help their own psyker sons develop their power and self control. The big E should've allowed sanguinius and the Khan to be the ones to control magnus
Sanguinius probably would have gone over the best. If I'm remembering right, he and Magnus were on pretty good terms. Not only that, but unlike some of his brothers, our glorious Hawkboy was actually capable of diplomacy and basic empathy for other peoples' perspectives.
And also specifically explained to Magnus why you need restrictions and why some knowledge must be forbidden.
@@Florkl Yeah, but Magnus was like his dad, both too confident in themselves to see how they were wrong until it was too late.
@@MURPHYCHACHO Quite possibly, but look at how much respect Jaghatai had for Magnus - I think this is a case where it depends entirely on the writer who tackled it. Sanguinius was the most beloved by ALL the Primarchs... which might have made Magnus wary, as Magnus might see this as Sanguinius looking to placate Russ in particular. No one knew what Jaghatai was about AND Jaghatai probably had the most open mind of any of the Primarchs (he explored so much unknown space that he had to be able to adapt to new situations, and cast off Dogma when that dogma would get his legion killed), so Magnus might have thought that Jaghatai would have had less of a reason to bow to the pressure of the other Primarchs. (Also, Magnus might have thought he understood Jaghatai more than the rest, and thought he could deal with Jaghatai more easily than with Sanguinius.)
All in all, I think either of them would have been a great choice in holding the "leash", so to speak, of Psykers. No wrong answer with either of them.
@@CountDVB True, but Jaghatai might have been able to delay that inevitability long enough to have a better plan on how to deal with it. If not outright talk Magnus out of SOME of his mistakes.
Jaghatai and the White Scars are actually a case study in why telling them about chaos would have been a good idea. Their homeworld was already somewhat aware of chaos and demons to begin with, and were thus already taught to be careful and wary of warp threats. This was a big reason why they even stayed loyal, because they already knew joining chaos was a terrible idea.
Also the Space Wolves. Despite all their issues, they expose their aspirants to a Gauntlet of warp entities who try to tempt them, and anyone who fails gets put down.
"And at the end, if you've got a boner, we'll have to kill you"
"What?"
"In yah get"
Well except the issue that almost half the white scars, early on, were traitors from being influenced from the warrior lodges and they were trying to convince Jaghatai and other loyal or undecided members of their legion to join Horace and his chaos daddies, so I don't really know if you're point was valid. Actually I agree with you that teaching his sons, Primarchs, all about chaos and the other dimensions, demons, worshipping them, souls in peril, that they themselves had a part of chaos entity's in them (pretty sure I heard somewhere that the Primarchs souls were attained from powerful demons from the warp, that was part of the big Es betrayal of the chaos gods). Just was truthful to them, it could have been a bonding event with all his sons, helped build trust and it makes since to know you're enemies. Every general in history wanted information from has many sources as possible on their enemies and potential enemies. It's alot more effective and efficient fighting someone if you know everything or atleast as much as possible about them. Just saying the white scars was actually a bad point in this argument based on what happened in lore.
@@joshrubio5285 weren´t most of the traitor white scars terran and bc of that not aware of the khans planet customs?
I gotta say, I think misleading Erda so that the chaos gods could manipulate her into helping them scatter the primarch babies in the first place was by far the biggest fuck up. Every single one of these you’ve mentioned would’ve been prevented most likely if the Emperor had raised the primarchs himself as originally planned
Totally true, I doubt even Perty and Lorgar would turn against Big E if they had been with him from Day One.
Erda is a crap retcon and should be burnt with fire. You get 60 books into the hh and suddenly it's like nope, all that stuff never happened. A female had a temper tantrum and condemned the galaxy.
Eurgh-der more like.
The thing about the emperor is that, ironically, Despite being the very pinacle of human evolution and potential, he lacked...Well, Humanity. And because of this he forgot that mankind is not a singular entity that would just follow the golden path he set out for them, but a countless mass of individuals with their own wants, beliefs and desires.
Yep, 100%. Was about to post something similar but you pretty much summed it up. Always makes me chuckle that for all his perfection he just doesn't understand what makes humanity human.
Thats the Emperors ultimate sacrifice. To secure an entire galaxy and ensure humanities dominant position as rulers of said galaxy required him not to get bogged down. Just look at how casually the man orders the death of billions, even other human beings, simply for resisting him. This would be completely outragous if you do not adopt a timeline considering millions of years. @@PatientZERO100
After 45 years I'm a little more burnt out on life and emotional aspects of it. I guess I generally care a little less then I did 20 years ago. I imagine living tens of thousands of years you'd probably be more calous and slightly less human, atleast in many aspects lol.
@@J0113 And this was also the very thing that resulted in his downfall.
I think it's less the idea that humanity would have different goals and more not trying to keep the best aspects of Humanity in the Imperium.
Faith is key to Humanity and (in this universe) one of our greatest tools is how the species beliefs have affected the warp and universe (look how few it took to make the Tau greater good into a warp entity).
Instead of the Imperial Truth it would have been better to acknowledge malevolent warp entities and give Humanity a set of tenants/values to follow with a focus on lifting all of humanity up.
It also goes with him personally he was too certain that a form of the Heresy was needed and was to quick to mark them as expendable/necessary sacrifice and the Space Marines as another Thunder Warriors.
If he saw the primarchs more as sons then tools they likely would have either stayed loyal for good or spread out to do their own things.
Magnus also found the webway and told it to the Emperor and he said "Yeah i knew about it for some time." Magnus also suspected that it's the webway why the Emperor left the crusade.The Emperor should've kept Magnus close to him, teach him, because Magnus had much more psychic power from the get go than the Emperor when he was at Magnus's age.
Also Angron... As a 37k years old person the Emperor couldn't take a few days to help his son...
Poor angron, he couldnt catch a break.
Just imagine, at The Last stand of the gladiators on nuceria.
Angron sees his father teleport down To the ground with 400 custodes by his side, than 30 drop pods of world eaters Rain on top of their enemies and The oppresors get absolutely crushed.
Angron would be so damn loyal after that. Even with his mind breaking and him slowly dying, he would still serve his father.
Heck, he might even become some primarch spectre, much like sanguinor, or The giant headless space marine ghost that sometimes is seen with The legion of the damned.
But now we have a massive Red raging kool aid man.
It is important to remember the Emperor is not truly an individual, he is a collective entity created to defend humanity as a whole
@@McHobotheBobo
To this Day, that is not Canon, it is The most popular theory.
GW has yet To come up with an origin.
I think they dont give an origin To the emperor intentionally.
@@McHobotheBobo We don't really know the Emperor's origin, everything is just speculation.
@eemelipulkkinen3393 No it's definitely Canon, he did have some time as an individual prior to his gradual psychic awakening but he's 100% from ancient Anatolia. The "New Man"
The thing Big E doesn't seem to realize is that a basic understanding of Chaos is actually a good inoculation against corruption.
That and being a good parent.
@@CountDVB big e is still a better parent than Erda
@@jcarter6213 Barely...
yeah... while it seems sound in concept, I don't think that holds up to the lore. There's a pretty consistent trend of chaos seducing people who should definitely know better. I don't think I buy that lying about the warp was a better policy and tend to think it had something to do with "the bargain"
@@privatezim3637 Good point, still I'd say that you'd better odds of at least someone correctly reporting the issue before it gets to be something catastrophic.
The Angron mistake is compounded just recently because Angron converted like a 10th of the Indomitus crusade into a Khornate rage.
It is worth noting that Mortarion was shown the Webway project by Malcador to reassure him that the Emporer planned to remove humanity from needing the warp
I swear he didn't really say what it was though, just showed him and refused to elaborate and was just a trust me bro moment
@@perturaboIV hey me
@@perturaboIVHad to look up the section but this is what is written between Malcador and Mortarion:
‘Very well. I had hoped to show you this later… when matters were at a greater stage of readiness… but perhaps now will serve.’ He brushed down his robes, trying not to show just how much Mortarion’s choking grip had pained him, and gestured towards a pair of mahogany doors that led to a chamber normally off-limits to all but himself and the Emperor. ‘After you. I think you will find this… interesting.’
Later in the shot story, M&M are talking about how great it will be when all human FTL travel will be free from the warp, they talk about gates, treaties with Mars in setting stuff up, and ultimately Mortarion playing a role at Nikea.
@@rhysjones6830 I guess having all to inhale of those toxic fart clouds the "Totally not Lich King" made him suffer through must of cooked his brain.
@@Subject_Keter People often say Mortarion's reason for betraying was the weakest, but I think its the most 'human' and ordinary imo... no grand trickery at play, just the most 'everyman' of the primarchs weighing up the decisions and coming to his decision based in very human and ordinary consideration. He had no great love or even big hate boner for Big E, just mild dislike and feeling of unease, and when Horus came to him he went with his very human gut... Dude's still a fucking smooth brain though, just a complex one.
Honestly, his biggest mistake was introducing the "All xenos must die because once upon a time some of them attacked us after a robot apocalypse that we were responsible for turned the entire galaxy into a Mad Max movie and caused everyone to lose their marbless for a while but please ignore that last part " rule.
i mean they could have just made it be "xenos must die because they aren't one of us and monkey brain says strange thing is bad"
historically humans have attacked and genocided our own species for such sentiments of fear and distrust, so its hardly a stretch for blatant xenophobia to rise when strange new xenos are found. GW doesn't want to say that because it would make them look bad but oh well
TBH I think it's one of his more reasonable policies based on the world they live in
@Doom Guy but there were xenos that were co existing peacefully with humans that the Imperium genocided for no reason, and they even killed the humans that were living with them too. Sometimes these societies also had tech more advanced than the Imperium, so wiping them out isn't reasonable at all
@@keikei2942 pretty sure that's like 40k imperium not 30k imperium when the emperor was actually in charge
I agree. If you set up a policy of "obliterate everyone with pointy ears" don't act shocked when your coke-headed perfectionist son starts Virus Bombing maidenworlds and murdering millions of irreplaceable big titty eldar babes.
I think Big E didn’t help Angron because he knew half his sons would betray him and once he say Angron’s primarch abilities had been destroyed he no longer cared to have him on his side
Another big mistake: he laugh at Malcador's idea of "crafting" a sister or two to the Primarch. He would have had only two Chaos Primarchess instead of 9 of them :p
Now I want a what if the Emperor told the truth of chaos and the warp to his primarch early on the crusade.
Same.
Then Chaos would be screwed, although Magnus would still be told off.
Choas is almost ready to make seeing Red, Blue, Green and your sexy bits able to infest you not sure how you would tell people and not have them be spazs.
Doe if Big E speech was showing how weak the dogs are and they arent even worth simping for, I think that would work.
He apparently did tell about it to one Primarch, no one knows which one
Almost certainly entirely new fuck ups occur, which butterfly into something like the Guilliman Heresy happening instead.
a video about what society looks like under chaos control would be cool
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This is the best comment request ive seen yet
everybody but Shadow are frozen in time when he does that it wouldn't be that interesting
Its simple : Anarchy
@@TheCreepyLantern wait really? Everyone gets frozen?
Angron could’ve been such an interesting loyalist primarch. But got wasted. An empath hand to hand badass. Could’ve been cool
Im convinced if he was a loyalist, the Burning of Prospero would never have happened. I genuinely believe Russ and Angron had the greatest potential for a close relationship as they are both dog owners who grew up on brutal worlds with a strong sense of courage and honor. Angron would be able to keep Russ’ temper in check while Russ was a pretty honest individual to those who knew he held a facade. I can picture Russ posturing as the barbarian king and Angron saying “Russ it’s just me” only for Russ to drop the mask
I can definitely see a Loyalist Angron as being similar to older Kratos.
Extremely strong and dangerous, but tempered and disciplined.
Well, there ARE a couple of fanfictions where Angron was a loyalist, but those takes on him basically consist of "what if Angron didn't have the Butcher's Nails in his head?" in a nutshell.
Always standing next to big e with a fuck of big bonk stick.
The Emperor's 5 biggest mistakes? Boy,we need to add a zero or two to that number....He may have been an incredibly powerful pysker but man,he did fuck up in a lot of areas
Humility and self examination were not among the Big E's virtues. I think that the writing was a bit straightforward for the history of "what went wrong" which is why he comes across as making obviously foolish mistakes.
We as an audience would probably prefer more nuanced issues like events beyond his view or control starting the heresy.
@@guyver441 That would require GW to be competent.
@@guyver441 GW needed to take a page from Hickman's Avenger run and properly plan and execute the story.
I swear they are trying to make a god of hackey writing.
Because that was a major part of his character in the past - the fact that he's the ultimate evolution of man, the pinnacle of what a human could be, but still ultimately a human, who makes mistakes because of his own ego and emotions.
And then a bunch of fuckwits like ADB showed up and started trying to change that to "LOL! Me am is the emporer. Me meat computer. No emotion, only cold logic. Me do terrible thing and not care about sons. Why am me refuse to kill Angron, Lorgar or even Horus, even though that single most logical and optimal solution? Ah, you see, me is also fucking retarded."
You can either be a meat robot who spends every waking moment plotting and playing 7D chess or you can make stupid mistakes. You can't be both, GW.
i mean his catchphrase when asked why what he does are necessary evils is "because i know im right"
big E could take a page out of western religions to take some humility in life and to see what could be done better. thats the problem when you are a 40 thousand year old pysker master you get cocky and that basically fucked up the whole thing.
I have a theory about the nature of the Emperor and the Primarchs that may explain why he made so much mistakes on what was suppose to be mankind's greatest champions and shepherds of a new golden age. Being someone that follows the theory that Primarrchs were minor warp gods, I think the process in which the Emperor made the Primarch souls greatly affected him as well and made him into the strange detached man we see in the great crusade. I surmise that the Emperor went in with the best intentions with him wanting to keep all the Primarchs even after he took the galaxy.
Now here is the meat of the theory, the process of making the Primarchs didn't just merely affect the Emperor, it damaged him greatly. The Primarchs not only have their own quirks but also seem to contain aspects of the Emperor so I believe he gave each of those souls a fragment of himself as well. Even before he sat upon the golden throne, the Emperor was already fragmenting and breaking apart, both from gaining vast powers from the warp AND losing parts of his soul to craft the Primarchs. This would explain why he was in such a hurry to conquer the galaxy, he was losing much of himself as time went on and thus was pressured to complete everything while he was still able to. This is why some of his meetings with certain Primarchs were so perfect, cementing their loyalty and support and alienating others, he was not always there, probably at certain times he was far more fragmented, leading him to treat some of them badly, losing them in the process, while other times he could pull himself together enough to be the father figure they wanted or needed him to be. The cold calculating Emperor could also be explained as the only way he could focus on his goals, and him suppressing his emotions and empathy were because they caused him to fragment further.
Jesus Christ this theory is amazing
@@DevourerofLight It certainly has E-normous explanatory force. (hurr durr :D )
This guy should make vids, no doubt about it.
This gave me a think.
How about keep all of the above but make the Primarchs souls as born from or generated from spicing off from one or more of the psyker's souls that made him.
Helps explain his personal fragmentation.
Extremely great theory and I really hope it’s true
That´s a good Take on it.
My Theory builds on what Malcador once said, he wasnt the Emperor until he met him, and that he changed after coming back from the Warp.
So when big E went through the Portal on Molech, he didn´t just take 20 minor Warp Gods for the Souls of his Sons, he also took one for himself. He was a powerfull and perpetual Psycher before, but absorbing or fusing with a Warp God turned him into the Emperor. It is mentioned multiple Times that his True/spirital Form isn´t human.
Who knows, maybe he took the Warp God of Order back in 24k and is actually the Reason why Chaos was growing and taking over the Warp.
I think the real reason Big E didn't tell anyone about Chaos is because that was a part of his deal to make the primarchs. I think the primarchs were 20 unaligned warp entities who gave a little bit of their essence in order to help them become powerful in various attributes. All of their powers, and flaws are due to these entities, but they are still fully human and self aware.
In "Outcast dead" (middle of heresy as timeline goes) the astropath is flying over the palace the guide states in awe, that they are passing the place where Emperor spent a day with his Primarch Sons before sending them on the crusade. His reply was "maybe we wouldn't be in this situation if he spent more than a day with his sons"
You know its bad when even normal people like astropaths are saying such things hindsight is 20/20. In retrospect they are probably correct.
From a storytelling POV the Emperor's mistakes are the best part of him because it shows how he is human enough to make human mistakes, and goes into the whole lesson of never treating any person as a god, no matter how powerful they are.
Ahem......Angron.
Those aren't really the mistakes of a normal human though, more like an autistic control-freak.
Majorkill:The Emperor didn't want to have conflict between sons.
Lost Primarchs:We would like to have a word with you.
A general chronology of the entire 40k universe would be neat. As a viewer who loves your videos and watches every release, I know nothing about the timeline outside of the events you've explained
Go watch Luetens series if you want a comprehensive timeline.
Check out WesHammer he's got a video about Warhammer 40k timeline
@@winterknight4307 oh cool! I like wes but his style is much more vanilla than Majorkill so I kinda stopped watching him after i watched most of his easily consumable content.
@@TheXandeyn leuten is too much for me man, he just drones on and on for hours. Majorkill would make it more fun.
Or
Watch TTS galactic history with Professor Emperor....by far the most amusing.
Have you seen that the new Imperial Guard Codex includes the scenario: what if Khorne attacked Australia? It doesn’t go well for Khorne. Page 23.
3 words: Blue. Ringed. Octopus.
I personally hear the emperor as an Aussie with a thick accent who is utterly at odds with 40k 'history'
You Sir, would be his Malcador.
The saturnine tunneling disaster, when abaddon truly began on his path to warmaster
The emperor leaving mid crusade is the (equivalent to some degree) dad going off to get cigarettes scenario.
Friggin guys beat up Entire Worlds and slayed Xenos but dad goes underground to forge the best cake in the Universe for them and they go all crazy since he wasnt thrusting his b i g and l o n g dad presence into them?
Reminds me of a Creepypasta where this guy finds out his wife posioned the Cupcakes he served, so he posions her to only find out she did it to kill off her husband annoying af boss and she dies in his arms.
Atleast Big E didnt come home with a Eldar and say that there new mom. Lol
Ngl the emperor made some low-key, really dopey mistakes for someone with the benefit of having observed the entire human cannon first hand.
There is a text in master of mankind(I think) in which the emperors says that the primarch knew about the dangers of the warp, anyone warp touched would see the danger that lurks within, possession wasn't rare, "what difference would it made had I labelled the warp's entities as "deamons" or "dark gods""?
then there is Alpharius with its whole "betraying you is helping you" shtick.
The way the writers justified his nonsense action was that the Emperor can see a lot of possible futures, hence why the Emperor made moves that doesn't make sense, or in some cases putting the cart before the horse.
The main issue was that there are a lot of players on the board, hence why the supposed future is always changing to Humanity's enlightenment.
Now we need top 5-10 Emperor Ws
I'm honestly quite interested in seeing some of those alien nids painted, how to make them in a way that stays true to alien and the nids combined. Like, not just paint them black like the Alien, give them some nid vibes.
Black with pink highlights
@@dac314 yeah, that sounds right, I was thinking a dark purple, but wouldn't make that much contrast with the black, pink on the other hand... Yeah I can see that.
@@TheRewasder97 Maybe black with bright green highlights or detailing. So it could be nice contrasted colors for the warhammer side of things and it could be like translucent parts that show off the green acid blood for the aliens side of things.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 great idea too
Big E's top 5 mistakes
1 Lorgar
2 Angron
3Curze
4 Not saying "I love you and am proud of you."
5 Council of Nikaea
Ya know, I was thinking the other day about another interesting storyline that never happened about angron. It could have been a unique and interesting story if the big e just left angron there and moved on. Angron prolly still would have survived but we would have an avenue to a primarch who was discarded and could have been a super interesting agent for chaos that way. Maybe instead of horus, chaos uses angron because they can do so in the beginning without the imperium knowing and still have a bloodthirsty bezerker primarch with an army of, while not astartes, like daemonhost gladiators. It was kind of interesting to think out how things could have gone if he had just thrown angron out rather than kidnap him.
Bruh now just imagine in current 40k instead of mortarion vs robot girlyman it's row boat gorilla man vs angron and during the fight he realizes that angron is one of his brothers
Like imagine the drama
@@gudamdiddler1064 right?! I love it
@Gudam diddler angron doesn't even look like he could have ever been human anymore. And I'm sure the atmosphere will be wild too, since on the conqueror, angrons flagship, when he became a daemon prince the walls started turning to flesh and leaking blood and stuff.
And then if you look at it from angron being left behind, you're right, the drama of GMan seeing this daemon monster thing and then realizing this is a long lost brother. How do you process that mid fight
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 maybe he would think that he's one of the lost primarchs and then that would lead to guilliman's trust in the emperor more complicated
@Gudam diddler ohhh that's something I hadn't considered. Cause guilliman doesn't remember them I don't believe. Consider angron missing the entire heresy and not showing up until after guillimans resurrection. I guess you could literally use what we are discussing with one of the lost primarchs, technically
Aka: "Big E's 5 WORST dad moments"
The big E has the most powerful case of the dunning-kruger effect the galaxy has ever seen
Pot meet Kettle!! :D
@@FraterEST I mean if youre saying I suffer from the dunning-kruger effect, of course I do, every body does to an extent. But at least I didn't break the galaxy with mine so my point stands
@@wingwangtingtang You lack the technical knowledge and position to know, however.
I'm not speaking of a generalized Dunning-Kruger effect...
Saying I don't have the power to make the mistake isn't the issue. It means you can judge his mistakes as if you understand them or would do from your position of weakness and feel smug about it. LOL
Not trying to be an ass but calling it like I see it.
@@FraterEST I feel neither smug nor do I claim to understand the decisions made, but by that same token neither do you. Yiu can be pompous all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the big e suffers from the dunning-kruger effect. You've somehow turned a simple observation of fact into an attack on my own intelligence. All I have to say is you may not intend to be an ass but you sre being one
@@wingwangtingtang I think it is more like people cannot take a bit of pushback and now we must cry about it.
Come one, come all degenerates, our lore master speaks heresies!
Angron was a mistake, but he's Big E's mistake.
"what a coincidence" for the warhammer figurine made me laugh more than it should
One of your best videos, and that is saying something.
This leads to another potential list: ranking the Emperor's favorite sons, from top to Angron/Mortarion.
Petition for Majorkill to make a Necromorph flayed one.
We need a Majorkill Dreddy first
That “call me anytime” part would have to be real specific to magnus that he use his astropaths and failing that come see him in person so Magnus doesn’t come crashing through like the koolaid man😊
I’m not a tyranid fan but those are some dope models. Keep up the awesome work Majorkill
Just bought a box of xenonids, my first Majorkill minis. Love the look, cant wait to see more models of them. I'd also love to see what you guys can do with uh, Space Dwarves. Maybe one with a dope ass mining laser
A video on The Sabbat World's and the crusade there would be cool
What did we Learn?
We all make mistakes, even gigachad psychic gods
9:32 yeah, this guy would fit in perfectly with the cast of Dune.
Best feat of each primarch
A genius a thousand times over: He intended the Heresy. Whenever someone sees his true face, they are horrified by the inhumanity. His enemies during the unification war called him a dark age weapon running loose, an idea repeated 10k years later by a C'tan to Cawl. Walking about clad in gold. Tying humanity's fate to Needing him to sit upon the throne for eternity, eating tasty souls. That thing wanted to be a god.
where can i read more about this
Right after the Emperor's arrival, Lorgar should have been taken to Luna and slapped into a cult deprogramming centre, while pre-augmented Erebus and Kor Phaeron should have been stuffed into sacks and dropped down a deep dark hole somewhere (by which I mean they should both have been murdered by a secret death squad). It baffles me that a being of the Emperor's psychic might didn't detect two obvious Chaos cultists standing within 15 feet of him and Lorgar whenever they met.
Then again maybe it all went Just. As. Planned. I mean we say that Imperium has been around 10,000 years, but Impy is at least 50,000 years old, so that's just a decade to a guy like him. Dude's a long term strategic thinker who plays crazily complex games like Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker as a way to relax, so I wouldn't put it past him to have been playing Erebus and Kor Phaeron all along.
If i had an imperium i would make big statues of cool things
I think the Emperor knew helping Angron would cause someone else to end up falling to chaos or wouldn't change anything so the Emperor chose not to help him since Horus got all the worst primarchs on his side
Perturabo was the entire reason Chaos got so far. If he secured Perturabo's loyalty, Chaos would've lost if they never got the Lion.
@@starhammer5247 for sure
@@starhammer5247 Perturabo and Mortarion, cus Papa Nurgle's favourite mothman and his legion were also pretty much the same as before their corruption combate wise, unlike dusty boys, razors on legs, pale bullies and gigameth addicts
Edit: Forgot the child molesters, also one legion that got improved combat wise by joining Chaos, cus WB rituals are funky
@@jackmesrel4933 The loyalists didn't necessarily need Mortarion. Not a whole lot of worse options you could replace him with.
@@starhammer5247 They didn't need him for sure, but he became a real powerhouse once he went to Chaos. Hell, he's the only Primarch who got better, cus Nurgle's powers combine perfectly with Mortarion and his legion. Easy example, the man destroyed two Necron tombworlds by using a plague that eated the living metal everything Necron is made of, and if not for Big E saving Gulliman's ass at the last second, Mortarion would've ended the Indomitus Crusade when it just started. So yeah, while when he was a loyalist he was just fine, now he and his legion are the second strongest Chaos force, only behind Abaddon cus he just has more numbers to work with
I think the Emperor deliberately used Monarchia to turn Lorgar and Guilliman against one another.
The Big E was not certain Guilliman would stay loyal, and was kind of right, given Imperium Secondus, so creating enmity between the 2 biggest Legions would prevent both allying against him for any reason.
I think the only Primarch's that could have purged Monarchia without breaking Lorgar would be Horus and Sanguinius. Both would have likely not just destroyed the world, but made sure Lorgar understood that it had to be done, possibly even waiting until Lorgar got there, debated it out with him and explained that this was something that needed to happen, and then made Lorgar himself call in the orbital bombardments, so there was no one to blame.
I think the only way how not to break Lorgar would be Emperor who communitacate with him about religious fluff.
In ideal case BEFORE Lorgar started creating cult of God Emperor.
All lore and jokes aside, for any father that wants to have a better relationship with their kids, these mistakes from the Emperor are mistakes that some fathers do on the daily which push their kids away as did the Emperor with the Primarchs, so just some food for though in fixing these mistakes, great video Majorkill
The big E is actually khorne. That's why he did nothing to prevent the horis heresy he knew it would lead to endless war and more skulls for the golden throne.
Video I wanna see: how Malcador is the BIGGEST beast. Obviously he is a god tier Psyker, but he also kinda sorta has hard carried the Imperium for literally it's entire existence. Even in death with his efforts with the Grey Knights and Officio Assasonorum. Also the mightiest imperial faction of, the Administratum.
Hell ya, we a video on the damn Hero.
Guy made the Primarchs beg cuz he wanted to say the F o r b i d d e n names and balanced out the Big E more wanker parts.
@@Subject_Keter yeah except none of that should’ve been capable of happening. These are beings, who think so fast that they can see lasers going by them in slow motion. The moment he started preparing for attack they should’ve pasted his brain against the back of whatever he was standing in front of. I’m sorry, but he’s a human in no way you can He step up to a god.
The emperor should have just rap battled the chaos gods
Yeah, he missed his chance. Can't do it now considering GW destroyed TTS
What if Emperor decided to be a Choas God of kicking gods in the balls and allow Lorgar to do his great work?
This just goes to show that just because someone is really smart it doesn't mean they know how to handle people on a personal level. If anything, the opposite might be true.
Love your vids mates keep up the hard work
Emperor of mankind can just said "hey guys i need to take care of massive administrative and legislative work while sitting on the golden throne to more effectively power the astronomicon because you guys have reach almost the edge of the galaxy" before leaving them and bam crisis averted, webway project secret safe
Could also do with pointing out an empire the size of the galaxy will always need a massive army to fight xenos and rebels, there was never any chance of the legions getting trashcanned, the majority of the guard sure but it took a huge leap of stupid for the primarchs to worry about planned obselesience.
@@bodricthered well i guess the stupitidy lies not only on the hands of the primarch but also on the hand of imperium's millitary at large. We were told that horus swayed half of imperium's forces because of his charisma but weve learned in the horus's heresy cinematic that he looked like a cooked person in the brain with bad guy growly voices. He clearly looks like bad guy i dont get why half of astra militarum forces join him
I love angron reaction to the counsel of nikea
Angron hated psyker but the second the emperor banned them he gave them card Blanche to do whatever they want out of spite
The biggest problem with the emperor is that he really didn't understand humanity. How could he? He was an immortal super being, completely out of touch and unaware of what being human meant. He didn't understand his son's needs, or humanity's impulse to worship things greater than them, or how many of his actions, no matter how noble or well thought out his reasons were, could foster resentment and hatred in people. For all his powers, the Emperor is a very flawed character, and that makes him interesting.
1. Lorgar
2. Angron
3. Mortarion
4. Perturabo
5. Kurze
Not necessarily in that order, but that's my list.
Kurze and Angron should've been put down
In my opinion; only angron and kurze.
Lorgar knew the rules, broke them repeatedly and then chucked a massive tantrum he got punished like a spoiled brat.
Morty and pert have absolutely no reason to turn and its entirely their own faults what happened to them.
Yes big e could have made better parenting decisions but individual responsibility is a thing.
In terms of personality and understanding of lesser lived races the emperor would have more in common with Necrons and the Eldar then he does with humanity many members of those races have the same out look and perception of time as the emperor does the emperor was use to interacting with other long lived individuals who where use to talking and interacting on a scale of hundreds of years where they would go probably decades without seeing the other only to meet up again as if no time had passed at all between them. A good example i could point to in the lore would be the infinite and the divine book where Trayzn and Orikan interact with one another in a back and forth exchange over the course of thousands of years yet both of them always act as if it was only recently they had last interacted even though decades if not centuries pass between instances. I believe the emperor was likely use to similar such situations so for him being the human that he is it would be easy to simply view a few decades of silence and minimum interactions as just a brief period of time but his sons arnt like him they are young and don't yet share his same outlook they are like children in a way in the eyes of the emperor getting upset at what he views as just a brief moment in time insignificant against the long road ahead. Unfortunately for emps these children have bolters.
Whenever that Xenonid Queen rolls around I will 100% be grabbing that, good lord!
I have *so much beef* with how the Emperor handled Lorgar and Monarchia (at least in older lore), that it admittedly makes it hard for me to want to side with the Emperor on much of anything.
On Colchis, there was a week long celebration of the Emperor’s arrival, celebrating his godhood. He did nothing to really try and drive the “Im not a god” point home, except basically only once going “Nah that aint me”. He said nothing else during the *week long* celebration.
Initially in the lore, Lorgar barely got any warning for spreading the God-Emperor spiel. Maybe a few terse off-remarks to my memory.
But what the Emperor did to Monarchia and the Word Bearers is equivalent to saying “Stop”, twice, in a very disinterested way, and not explaining his point in detail to his son, then immediately going from that to instructing his son’s more favored brother to blow up his house, and then personally taking a golf club to his knees.
More recent lore, iirc, does try to have the Emperor deny it more, and have it fall on Lorgar being a thick-skulled choir boy and choosing not to listen. However, that bad taste in the mouth still remains.
Majorkill can you make a video on the different harlequin masks?
Please cover the Sabbat worlds crusade please
"just a coincidence"... said the toy merchant as he rubbed his hands.
I absolutely love your content. You have become my favorite 40k content creator by far. I've even went down the CZcams rabbit hole and binged almost all your videos. You and the Erwin's are the best things to come out of Australia.
Those xenonids are fucking amazing looking.
Reason 6: Being written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.
The emperor makes no mistakes. Heresy will not be tolerated.
That is the correct answer.
Lol... Yes, hide that droopy barrel...
I'm glad you noticed your rifles dysfunction and sought help.
You don't see that small path that stops humankind from failure. Only the emperor does. Something you might deem single actions of him as a mistake, but every single of those cascades into billions of events leading to something your simple mind does not understand. The emperor protects.
My issue with the Primarchs is that everyone expects the Emperor to put them over his knee and scold them like children.
Like…they aren’t children. Some of them had conquered worlds and made empires without him, they were all grown adults by the time they were found, even more so by Ullanor.
They all had their chances to grow, literal centuries to develop themselves as people and see themselves as individuals without focusing their entire lives around one slight by the Emperor.
The Emperor does not make mistakes, only those whom serve him make mistakes, or misinterpret His will. I believe the good CZcamsr is due a visit from the Inquisition to investigate his potential heretical thoughts.
Emperor: "I forgot to close my Roof-Windows" and left the Great Crusade
The Emperor to Lorgar: I am not the Messiah!
Lorgar: He is the Messiah!
basically, the emperor brought the heresy upon him, some of these mistakes dont even make sense considering his character
My favorite thing about 40k lore is watching incomprehensibly smart and powerful godlike superhumans make insanely stupid and petty decisions.
Angron: Yeah get bent you old man!
Horus: Oh hey Angron you joined our heresy!
Angron: The what?
I feel bad for the emperor imagine your son being salty that you didn't tell him about Santa as a kid then trying to kill you and everyone you know.
I like that Majorkill's suggestion for what The Imperial Truth should have been is literally one of the lose conditions for Chaos. Like, *explicitly* a thing evidrnce suggests would unmake them.
Tamir Rice would voluntarily worship Chaos. So would Hitler, Nat Turner, the Crusades, Mongols, Vikings, etc
You are dumb to believe that people won't join Chaos wholeheartedly
Black Lives Matter would because Chaos isn't racist. Only the strong and cruel live and thrive
I think that you should do some videos on the void ships of 40k, as it seems to be an area that you haven't yet touched upon.
(Imperial Navy ships explained, Battle Barges explained, etc.)
Video Idea: The pets of every warhammer 40k Factions.
I love how the emperor kidnapped angrin and left his family to die so he could make the planet compliant. Meanwhile, for like two centuries afterward, they were in a civil war and contributed nothing to the Great Crusade
Just gotta say I really like all the custom mini work you guys do, honestly would love to see some custodian troop/elite minis, maybe even sos if it's even possible with a printer
1:41 HR geiger is roling over in his grave for its lack of palic symbles.
I think making a deal with Chaos in the first place to create the primarchs was a bit of an '"oopsie".
As said in the famous fanfic "Guilliman speaks with the Empereor" : "PRIDE IS THE GREATEST SIN WHICH IS WHY I SUFFER THE GREATEST PUNISHMENT."
To be fair, Big E had already told Lorgar several times to stop worshipping him. Lorgar still kept on, until Big E was like "that's it, the hammer's coming down"
I haven’t abandoned you call me any time
Magnus don’t break the warp wall around terra
The proper title for this should be "Five times Majorkill couldn't understand the Emperor's longterm plans" haha
Great video. I have always wondered what would have happened if the emperor brought both Dorn and Magnus to Terra after Nikea. Dorn to build up the palace and Magnus to work on the webway.
Not telling Magnus about the Web way project was so dumb considering it was literally dependant on him.
Also you know the councils decision was dumb when basically ALL the loyalist Primarchs ended up ignoring the rule against Librarians during the heresy.
OK, let's be real here, not telling Magnus about the chaos gods was 100% the right move there, because this is Magnus the fucking Red we're talking about here - he is convinced he's the single smartest and most powerful person in the room even when he's outdoors. If the big E had gone "Yeah, those aren't just echoes, they're sentient beings of great power who'll outwit and corrupt you, so don't fuck with them", Magnus would be entering the warp with a chess set, a rubix cube and a fiddle in half an hour.
I laughed too hard at the idea that Mortarion is just a "smelly mothman".
Angron would NOT have fought for the Imperium if the Emperor had helped him. Since Angron saw that the Emperor was just another overlord, and his deeply empathetic nature would have kept him conquering worlds, or ever leaving his gladiator comrades. Angron basically tells the Emperor this before saying no and returning to the planet.
The Primarchs are tools though, and to get this tool to work, the Emperor did what he had to. By taking Angron away from the battle, he both eliminated Angron's past ties and created the hatred necessary to override his remaining empathy. Turning him into a tool of war. This is why there's no mentor, or training period, for Angron. He's just handed his legion and orders. The Emperor knows Angron is never going to follow the Imperium willingly, but he'll be effective enough if he accepts the legion out of hate.
I sometimes like to imagine what if someone in the 40k universe found an audio record of videos like these. Like what if the Emperor was digging through some archives for no reason, and accidentally activated this video during the reuinification wars or something.