Hi man, you've produced the best videos regarding this difficult topic!! Thanks for that. One question here: let's say the G9x in this video was a Packtalk, am I correct that the 2nd Packtalk would have a free B channel to connect to another person with non-scala rider equipment?
Benniee1 Thanks man! Yes, that’s absolutely correct. In fact, say that G9x was another Packtalk, you would use the 2 Packtalks in “DMC Intercom Mode” and use the DMC-Bridge feature to bring the other Bluetooth headsets into the mix. That would be the ideal setup. Hope that helps!
My girlfriend and I are using 2 Pack Talks. I'm the rider, she's the passenger. Is it possible for both of us to listen to music from just my phone AND talk to each other? It seems we can get one or the other, not both..
Hello! Great video, really cleared some things up. I'd love it if you could take the time to answer a question! I just bought one of these and gave my wife my old Sena 3S-W. I can get them paired fine (although we have a lot of noise from her mic that never existed when I used the Sena) but I can't figure out how to listen to my iPhone's music while intercomming with her. The manual is just crazy amounts of useless as it doesn't tell you how exactly to go from one thing to another or give you details on what can be done all at the same time. Are we both going to be able to listen to our phones' music while intercomming?
Thanks for solving this for me. Do you know if the Sena can be connected to a mobile phone as well as the packtalk. I'm having all sorts of trouble getting my packtalk to pair with my sena 30k
Moto Mouse Yeah it should? Put the Packtalk in “Cardo Gateway” pairing mode, and the 30k in “Mobile” pairing mode. Once they pair up, this will be your intercom connection. Then, put the REAL mobile phone on the 30k’s secondary pairing. Should do the trick! Hope that helps out!
Hi MotoGeek...Thx for all ure vids...awesome. I have being trying to connect/paired a Interphone F5 and a ScalaRider Packtalk but with no success...please help with the how to do. much appreciated.
Thanks! Have you watched my vid on "Golden Rules of Universal Pairing"? If not, check that out I think it might help. In short, one you has to go into Universal Pairing Mode, and the OTHER one goes into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. This is how all cross-brand pairings work. Check that vid I mentioned and I think you'll get it. Hope that helps a bit and best of luck man!
Would you find the time to explain how to connect two Packtalk's + two Sena's SMH-10? We got the 2xPackatalk + 1xSENA to work but couldn't add the other Sena in no matter what we tried. Any help in this matter would be much appreciated. Thank you!
You'll want to use PACKTALK's DMC Bridge feature to bring the other Sena headsets into the conversation. Put the two PACKTALKs in DMC Mode (only way to go in my opinion) and create a pack with those two headsets. Switch to Bluetooth Mode: Pair PACKTALK 1 to Sena 1, and PACKTALK 2 to Sena 2 using Cardo Gateway/Universal Intercom (see my video on universal intercom with two headsets) Then, once back in DMC mode, each PACKTALK user will double tap their "intercom" button to activate DMC Bridge, which will bring them (the Sena headsets) into your pack. This is the way to get Bluetooth headsets into your pack until they upgrade to a DMC headset:) This work good for you?
+MotoGeek Freak Thanks, you are really helpful. I will give it a try with my boys and report back. Sena's should be in universal intercom pairing or in the phone pairing mode? To connect it three-ways we used the phone pairing mode on sena because they didn't see each other when sena was using universal intercom pairing mode.
Hello MotoGeek Freak - What about pairing a GPS (Eg the Garmin 59x) to the PackTalk at the same time? I'm today using the G9x and BMW Nav V (same as 590) and using the feature of having my phone connected directly to the GPS in order to get access to phonebook and other functions in the GPS such as road directions by voise instructions. I've found out that if I connect more than one other unit to my G9x I will loose the connection to the GPS which is very anoying. Any videos that explains how to work with the PackTalk in combination with a GPS and possibly also another Bluetooth device?
Hi first of all great videos, we just up graded to a packtalk duo from one of the first q Cardo. Units. I have an iPod which I up graded to Bluetooth by the use of a Motorola plug in device. In the old Cardo I just plug it into the unit through the lead provided but Cardo no need to use Bluetooth . could I do this through the packtalk unit to listen to music with out interfering with the other devices as I only want to use it if required . I currently run n Bluetooth my garmin and my iPhone 7.
Hi great video! we used to enjoy the 1+8 feature on G9x but some upgraded and some new people joined with packtalk. Question is will this work for a larger group of riders? half of us have G9x (including me) and other half have packtalk. is there a way for us all to get in a 1+8 setup?with packtalk+G9x? thanks
Thank you for these videos. Very helpful and appreciated. Why pair the Sena in phone pairing instead of universal intercom pairing? I would have thought universal pairing would be better? Also the way you did it, would the Sena user still be able pair to his phone? If not that would that mean that if you wanted to be paired to ur phone, you would have to re-pair to the packtalk every ride and then pair to your phone again afterward?
Thanks for the feedback glad they are helpful! Okay, so to understand the answer to this one thing must be made clear: The "Universal Intercom" feature, from ANY brand, accomplishes cross-brand pairing by pairing into the mobile phone slot of the "other" headset. This is the only way it is done and all brands use this same method. The headset that used its universal intercom pairing will treat this like a normal intercom, however the other headset thinks it's paired to a mobile phone since it was paired to its mobile pairing. SO- if two headsets have "universal intercom" ability (such as the case with Packtalk and the Sena in this video) you have to choose which one will use the universal intercom pairing mode.......the other MUST use its mobile phone pairing mode for this pairing to be successful. You will not go into "universal pairing mode" on both headsets, this will not work. Now, some headsets can only pair with one mobile phone, some can pair with two. If the headset you are pairing with (different brand) can only pair with one phone, then they will be able to pair with you for intercom and that is it. If it can pair with two phones, then they will be able to pair with you (mobile phone 1) AND to their "real" phone (mobile phone 2). Does this make sense? Sorry for the huge answer....lol
Makes perfect sense, thx for explaining it so well. I'd appreciate a bit more advice if you don't mind. I'm a motorcycle instructor in Perth, Western Australia. I have a 20s on my helmet and a smh10 for the student and also a sph10 for when I am teaching slow speed manoeuvres and emergency braking and I'm not on my bike. I've gone thru about 8-10 20s' in the last 12 -18 months they keep failing for one reason or another. Fed up with Sena and looking to change. Scala rider don't have anything to replace the sph10 with, so need to keep that. I also occasionally have students with their own Sena's as well. What would you recommend? I was thinking that if I got 2 Packtalks I could use them in Bluetooth mode most of the time, but when I needed to pair with the sph10 and/or a students Sena I could pair the Sph10 on the b channel with one packtalk, run the two packtalks in DMC and bridge in the sph10. If the student was using a Sena then I would pair that (b channel) to the second packtalk which I would have in my pocket (module only, no speaker) then again in DMC mode bridge in each Sena. Do you think this would work? Is it too convoluted? Would you advise to just stick it out with Sena? Please let me know what you think and if you can see any problems I might run into. Ps I also have my 20s paired to my iPhone 6s if that makes any difference to anything. Also the Dept of Transport also use Sena smh10's. So when the student is going on a test I just swap my module with the assessors for the test, then swap back after. Worst case I could remove the Packtalk completely and install the Assessors SMH10, but hopefully there is better way. I really hope you can help sort through this. Lester
Had the Sena 20S but because of all the heavy static on a group intercom we bought this PackTalk in a dual box. Me and my wife are working ok so far (but still hard to hear her at times, its like my volume won't go as loud as hers). My big question for you (and your video is very nice and helpful!!!) is whe conferencing in a 3 rider with non PACKTALK headset. Just as your video shows my brother has a 20S. I followed your video exactly and was able to keep the other PackTalk on channel A and was successful getting his 20S on channel B exactly as you did. HOWEVER it would NEVER allow me to call or connect both A and B riders!!!!!!!! Man it was frustrating! So I open and try to do it from the App and as soon as the app connects it says connection lost and all the lit up button gray out so there is not a connection to the phone. I then turned off bluetooth to my iphone and tried it again and again (thinking maybe that PACKTALK is using the bluetooth connection to my iphone to pair with his 20S?? But that did not work either. It will not connect the three together. Either I talk on channel A to my wife with the Packtalk or to his 20S on channel B but if you try to connect the two together it crashes, or the app closes or the headset has even turned off!! But it has never done a 3 way call yet like yours did. Usually when you hit the intercom button to call the 20S (two taps) it says "not available" then most of the time you call A after that (one tap) it says unavailable. ANY HELP from that long explanation is appreciated. :-)
Glad they are helpful! Okay, for the volume (and I've ran into this myself), make sure she is talking DIRECTLY into the yellow triangle at the end of the boom mic, and it's close to her mouth. If facing the wrong way or too far away she will be very quite on your end. If she's already doing that, adjust your speakers in the helmet. It should almost be too loud when this is done. As for pairing the 20s, I've learned that after they pair, it is best to turn both u it's off then back on again. Once you hear "rider B connected" you should be able to talk to him by activating the B channel. The A channel of course will bring your wife into the conversation. As a last option, look at the DMC Bridge video, this may be a better way to setup the units since you have 2 Packtalks (you can take advantage of DMC that way). Hope it helps!
So 2 of my buddies decided to get a Sena ( not sure why, I tried convincing them that Cardo's DMC is superior) but now I'm unsure how to connect to them. Sure I can connect via B mode but how do I join their group conversation? Do I pair up with both separately and then let them connect to each other first or will I have to pick 1 of both to connect with?
Thanks! That's a feature of the g9x as well as PackTalk (when it's in Bluetooth Intercom mode) 1+8 goes like this.....The "1" is you, and the "8" are the eight other riders you can connect with for a 1-on-1 conversation (you can't talk to all 8 at once). Basically, you have 8 other g-series or pack-series riders you can put in your "Buddy List" and then reach them by just saying their name (whatever name they saved in their headset as their Buddy Name). Check out the video I put up on the Cardo Community- it touches on that and might help you out. Let me know if that makes sense!
Hello MotoGeek Freak, thank you for your informative videos regarding the Scala Rider Packtalk. Currently we ( a group of four, sometime up to six riders) have Scala G9's. I would like to update to the Packtalk because of its Dual audio function. WIth this function I hope to hear my phone (music/navi) at the same time as the intercom 1. Do you have experience with Dual audio? 2. Will I be able to connect to the three other G9's (now we use the rider+passenger option to connect with four riders) 3. If 2 is yes, what'll happen when a rider, be it the packtalk or a G9, disconnect? Thank you in advance for your response.
Hello- 1. Yes and it works very well, the result is being able to listen to music/GPS from phone while communicating. They also just did an update that allows you to adjust the volume of the underlying music which was needed and works great now). 2. If you have 1 PackTalk and 3 G9x, you will have to use the PackTalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode. It will act just like a normal Bluetooth Headset in this mode (pairing up on A and B channels) and connectivity will be the same as using a G9x. Advantages to you would be audio overlay and universal pairing ability. However, if even one other person gets a PackTalk, you would operate in DMC Intercom Mode (far superior connectivity) and "Bridge" the other Bluetooth headsets in to the conversation. Let me know if you have any questions on this. In a perfect world- if your whole group switched to PackTalk you could create a pack with all six of you and it would just work every time, whether you were with one other rider or all six of them.
+MotoGeek Freak I agree with your final remark, also with the "auto reconnect when in range feature". Only downside is that our headsets are just two years old and two other riders bought them at the end of last year. I find it a pity for them to buy new ones already, also due to the high price of the Packtalk units. I'm also slightly afraid thatthe support for Packtalk units will decrease when a new hign-end model is released (since the packtalk is released our G9's didn't receive an update..). My main goal is the dual audio functionality. I'm first going to try to fit four smaller speaker in my helmet; two for the G9, two for the phone. If this doesn't suit my needs I'm going to to replace it with a packtalk.and try yo sell the G9 :-).
Having a hard time finding an answer to our situation, not sure you have a video on it. My wife and I both have Cardo Packtalk Bolds, our group of usually 3-6 others all have Sena20s units. I can connect my Cardo to 1 sena and hear and communicate with everyone but can't get my wife in as well. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. Also, sorry if you already have a video on this scenario, I couldn't find it.
Try to use the DMC-Bridge feature: Once you get to the point where your Cardo is connected to 1 one of the Senas and you can hear that group, tap the Intercom button 1x (this is how you activate DMC Bridge). Assuming your Packtalk is in a DMC/Mesh group with your wife's Packtalk, this should pull her into the conversation. Good luck and hope that helps!
Thank you for a great video. The manual is so so. I have a question. I have a "china model" with BT. I can pair it on the B channel. When I Call it connect, and I can hear it works. But after one sec my Cardo shuts down. Any suggestions?.
hi +MotoGeek Freak, thx for responding to my question the other day about the scala rider and the sena bluetooth pack :D Now I have another question, as you know any packtalk device can bring a non-packtalk device to its group chat by using dmc bridge, my question is, what if the scenario is reversed? Can a single packtalk device be connected to a group of... let's say sena 20s? thx :D
SouthSide Jakarta Hey there! Yes, it can. And you can be in either Intercom Mode tondo this. First thing- crow brand pairing is done by one headset doing "Universal Intercom Mode" which is Cardo Gateway on the Packtalk, and the other headset goes into Mobile Phone pairing mode. This is how they ALL do it. So, if there's a bunch of Sena and 1 Packtalk, one of the Senas can pair to your mobile phone pairing slot an add you to their conversation. Just as a heads up - it's gonna be tricky keeping you all connected though because this will be a Bluetooth intercom group/ aka daisy-chain. If there ends up being more Packtalks involved, it will be FAR more stable to have the Packtalks bridge in the Senas because you'll all be able to take advantage of the DMC mesh stability that the Packtalks create. Hope that makes sense!
Pairing 3 bluetooth devices; 2 Lexin B4FM with Scala Rider G9 possible??? Hi, I bought a Scala Rider G9 a couple of years ago to listen to music, receive phone calls and some times to times talking with other riders. This year my girlfriend and a friend of mine are joining but they buy the Lexin B4FM which is way cheaper and works great!! I can successfully pair the 2 B4FM together or even the 2 B4FM with my G9, but I'm unable to pair the 3 of them to speak at the same time. I'm not even sure it's possible. Here is what I was able to do so fare. I'm able to connect B4FM-1 with my G9 mobile-1 and B4FM-2 with my G9 mobile-2, but I can't find a way so that we speak to each other (all 3 at the same time). When B4FM-1 is connected to my G9 mobile-1 it disconnect the B4FM-2 and as soon as the B4FM-1 disconnect, the B4FM-2 connects with my G9 mobile-2. And it's only when my G9 is disconnected that the two B4FM can speak to each other. Can someone help me? Thanks
Thanks for this video, me and my friends have been trying to figure this out for ages. They have the PackTalk, I have the 20s and I have been trying to get the "universal intercom" to work on the Sena with no success so far. I do have one question you might be able to answer. I typically have my iPhone paired to the Sena all the time, can I connect to the PackTalk in addition to my phone? Or do I have to choose one at a time.
Your 20s can pair 2 phones like the PackTalk, so you SHOULD be able to do both. Check out my video on DMC Bridge, you're gonna want to set it up like that. Let me know how it goes!!
I did see the DMC bridge video just after I saw this one. I know the Sena 20s can connect to multiple BT devices ( i.e phone, navi) so I was hoping it would work. I sent my friends a link to this video, and once the rain stops, in a few days :( we'll give it a go and I'll let you know how it played out.
Cool. They will form a "pack" in DMC Mode, then use DMC-Bridge to bring your 20s into the conversation. Quick notes on how to do this (you will pair with ONE of your friend's packtalks): -Switch that Packtalk to "Bluetooth Intercom Mode" -Packtalk - get into "Cardo Gateway" pairing mode -20s - get into "mobile phone" pairing mode -Once they pair up, switch the Packtalk back to "DMC Intercom Mode" -Packtalk will double-tap intercom button to bridge you in, or you can tap your mobile button. -If this doesn't work at first, power-cycle both units then it should work fine!
Well, we got to try out something slightly different, we paired two Sena 20s to one PackTalk. First I connected to the PackTalk via Bluetooth, this appeared to sever my phone link, I could still listen to music but my Sena no longer worked as a phone handsfree. When I switched on and off the sena it would say "device connected" and "audio device connected" not "phone connected". I also noticed I had missed calls after the trip so phone handsfree was not working. The other sena was able to connect to mine and we got 3-way communication. However the audio quality was not as good, I suspect the Sena switched off the HD-Audio feature. The PackTalk range was probably about 50% of the Sena to Sena. One time on the motorway we lost the PackTalk, but it reconnected automatically. Later on in the trip the PackTalk user took off and we lost him again, this time it did not auto connect and we had to stop and reconnect again manually. All in all it works, but I guess not as good as PackTalk to PackTalk and Sena to Sena.
850bimmer With 2 20s and 1 PackTalk, you should go to "Universal Pairing" mode on one of the senas and "Mobile Phone Pairing" mode on the PackTalk to pair. If you had 2 PackTalks and 1 sena, you would go to "Universal Pairing" mode on one of the PackTalks and "Mobile Phone Pairing" on the sena to pair (and use the two PackTalks in DMC Mode for sure). If next time you are with more PackTalks, have them create a pack in DMC Mode and "bridge" your 20s headsets in, this works very very well.
What if there is no other Scala to put on the A channel? A group of us have Sena's, I know that a new rider with a Scala Packtalk can only link with one of the Sena's but we can't get it to link with any of them. It won't seem to skip the A channel with nothing paired in it. Any help is appreciated.
Brian Tucker Hey there. Okay so if the Packtalk had v4.0 software this video will be the wrong way to do it. This is only for v3.2 or below. Just a heads up. Past that, you want to think about it like this: both the Packtalk and the Sena’s (likely) have Universal Pairing/Cardo Gateway, which means they can pair to a different brand. BUT, the way it works is, one unit goes into universal/gateway mode, and the OTHER headset goes into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. This is how any cross-brand Pairing gets done. So, if you have multiple Sena’s and 1 Packtalk (then you need more Packtalks and be done with this whole pairing fiasco with DMC! 😋) I would suggest using the Sena’s Universal Pairing and the Packtalk’s Mobile Pairing. This way, the Sena can use normal Intercom with the other Sena’s and pull the Packtalk into the convo. If there was more Packtalk’s than Senas, you would do it the opposite way: let the Packtalks pull the Senas into the convo. Hope that makes sense!
Thank you for the quick reply. Are you aware of instructions for a packtalk with later versions? I can verify the version on the packtalk later tonight. I can get the two to connect over the phone pairing button on the Scala, but then he loses his phone pairing, we can talk, but he can't access his phone anymore. I wonder if I can go backwards with versions on the Scala? The software above seemed to work well. My buddy with the Scala has tried everything they have suggested from Scala support. I have been using the universal phone pairing mode on the Scala, and the phone pairing on the Sena, I can try to reverse that tonight.
Great videos! Answers I haven't been able to find anywhere else! We ride with a couple that have G9's. We had the G9x's but sent them back as we were unhappy with static and low volume. We would often pair so all 4 of us could communicate at the same time. Is this possible if we had the Packtalk with their G9's? Thanks!
Thanks!! Yes you can use the Packtalks with G9s no problem. You can either use PackTalk in Bluetooth Mode and pair with G9s on your A and B channels, OR, use DMC Mode, create a "pack" with your two Packtalks, and "bridge" those G9s in (that way you can always stay in DMC Mode, which is nice)
The G9's that we ride with are paired with each other. Do I then have to pair them one of them on my B channel and then switch to DMC mode and bridge them in? I can't find instructions on this anywhere! Your help would be greatly appreciated!
+Terry Enns If you have 2 Packtalks, and are riding with 2 G9s, and you all 4 want to talk, I would suggest this: -Create a "pack" with your 2 Packtalks (DMC Intercom mode) -Switch your PackTalks over to Bluetooth Intercom mode -Pair PackTalk 1 to G9 1 on their "B" channels -Pair PackTalk 2 to G9 2 on their "B" channels -Switch your Packtalks back to DMC Intercom mode. Done. As soon as you power up your two Packtalks, they will be connected instantly (thanks to DMC). Then, each PackTalk can "bridge" the G9 that it's paired to into your conversation... PackTalk 1 bridges in G9 1, PackTalk 2 bridges in G9 2, and all 4 of you can talk together. Hope that helps! Oh and check out the DMC Bridge video I made....that may help out as well....
We tried the method you suggested above and the G9's said that it sounded like the Packtalks were under water. The Packtalks could here the G9's clear as day and Packtalk 1 and 2 could here each other clear as day. The first time we rode with the G9 couple, since they were paired to each other on their A channel, I switched to Intercom mode on the Pactalks, paired them to my B channel via their B channel, switched to DMC mode and bridged them in. This wasn't good either. We all sounded like we were under water and the connection was lost at a short distance. So our last chance is the Packtalks in Intercom mode and connect to them via Bluetooth, correct? Pactalk 1 and 2 need to pair via our A channel, then pair the G9's via one of the Pactalk's B channel? I'm really hoping they purchase the Packtalks and all this will go away but they have another couple with G9s that they ride with and want to make sure they can still communicate with them. Again, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
+Terry Enns I wonder if the 2 G9s being paired together on their A channel caused an issue, instead of them being totally independent and connected to each other through the Packtalks (via DMC Bridge)? Almost like them being connected twice? Your last paragraph is correct; you could use your Packtalks in Bluetooth Intercom Mode and pair to the G9s that way (at which point your PackTalk is acting like a Bluetooth headset and you are creating a daisy-chain). Packtalks paired to each other on A channel, and a G9 paired to each PackTalk on B channel. You don't want to have the G9s ALSO paired together on their A channel when doing this. Hopefully trying DMC Bridge again (this time without the G9s paired directly to each other) will work. That way you can stay in the preferred DMC Intercom Mode...
Eric Freund Well, it SHOULD remember it and do it automatically (not nearly as reliably/fast as DMC does), but my experience with Bluetooth connections like these has been hit and miss. Sometimes you do indeed need to repair them later on, for whatever reason.
Ryan Lee Hey there. Ok so since you have 2 Packtalks, I’d recommend using those in “DMC Intercom Mode” and using the DMC-Bridge” feature to bring the other 2 Bluetooth-only headsets (G9x and sena) into your group. -Pair Packtalk 1 and the G9x together on their “B” channels. -Pair Packtalk 2 and the Sena together using Cardo Gateway Pairing Mode (same as this video shows Pairing to the sena) The 2 Packtalks will communicate together anytime they are on thanks to the DMC, then, Packtalk 1 will double-tap the intercom button to bring in the G9x, and Packtalk 2 will do the same to bring in the sena. Then all 4 can hear and talk to each other. Hope that helps!
Question; say I had two Packtalks and hook the, up in DMC mode. And I have a total of 6 Interphone Bluetooth headsets. Can I chain together 3 Interphones (twice) and hook each chain to one of the Packtalks to give me a total of 8 headsets connected? I notice the way you keep saying that you are putting the other brand headsets in mobile phone pairing mode, not pairing mode for another headset....
Omgosh if you all had Packalk...DMC Mesh would be PERFECT for this trip...) Great question and I'll do my best to answer. First and foremost, it's important to remember that ANYTIME you are pairing one brand with a different brand, it uses the "Mobile Phone" pairing slot of ONE of them. Watch this video I did for more info on this: czcams.com/video/We9oTBTq_ao/video.html I start with that, because what you are trying to do MAY be do-able, and it depends on the capabilities of the Interphone headsets you have. IF the Interphone has the ability to bring an active phone call into the intercom group (ex. 3 Interphones connected for intercom and talking, one of them gets a phone call....can he bridge that phone call into the group so that all 3 of them can hear and talk to the caller?? Might be noted in the Interphone manual is Conference Calling or something like that...) then yes, it should work. Here's why: When setting up a cross-brand pairing, one of them treats it like an actual "Intercom" session (universal pairing), and the other headset treats it as an active "phone call" (mobile phone pairing). This is the way all brands connect to any other brand, and it uses the HFP Bluetooth Profile, the same profile it uses when pairing a mobile phone for phone calls. Basically, one of the headsets "THINKS" it's on an active phone call, but it's not, it's talking to another Bluetooth headset. So if a headset can be on a true intercom session, and bring an "active phone call" into that intercom session, then theoretically it should work. Here's how the pairing would go: 1.) Put both Packtalks in a DMC/Mesh group with each other then set them aside 2.) Pair 3 Interphone headsets together using their recommended intercom pairing order 3.) Pair the other 3 Interhpone headsets together same as the first 3 4.) Grab 1 Packtalk, and 1 Interpone from the first "Interphone group", and pair them together using Universal Intercom on the Packtalk, and Mobile Phone pairing on the Interphone 5.) Grab the 2nd Packtalk, and 1 Interphone from the second "Interphone group", and pair them together same as above 6.) Get the 1st group of Interphone users talking to each other 7.) Get the 2nd group of Interphone users doing the same 6.) Activate "DMC Bridge" on the first Packtalk (one press of the Intercom button) and wait for it to connect to the Interphone headset it's paired with. Since the Interphone will then think it's on a "phone call", have that Interphone "share that phone call" with the rest of his Interphone group and the 4 of them will be connected 8.) Do the exact same thing with the second Packtalk and the Interphone it's paired with, then the 8 of you will be connected because the Packtalks will be glue-ing those two groups together via the "DMC-Brdige" capability of the headset. I'll be super curious to know if this works so let me know!! lol. As I said, theoretically it should, assuming the Interphone has the ability to bring a "phone call" into its "Intercom"-world. P.S. If you end up with a total of 4 Packtalks, this all would change (for the better), because then you could connect those 4 together in DMC/Mesh, and have each Packtalk just DMC-Bridge in ONE Interphone headset each. This would connect all of you together for comms, and since the "core 4" would be connected using DMC it would be MUCH more stable...
@@MotoGeekFreak Wow! What an answer! I asked Cardo support the same question and they came back with "it will not work", saying that can only bridge one into the mesh. I get what you are saying regarding opening the mobile phone channel up to the other Interphones in the chain. I think I would be OK with buying two Packtalks (for myself and my wide on pillion) if I was sure this would work. To get 4, I need to convince another couple to do the same obviously - and some of them don't have their Interphones long ... I do think it would make a massive different to our trip from Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Switxerland, France .. and back. It might be worth getting half of the crew to make the jump. I'll let you know how we get on :-)
Hi. I run a motorcycle training business and want to be able to speak to my students when they are training in a car park, however I don't want to have to wear my helmet all the time! Can I pair a phone type Bluetooth headset to a packtalk unit? Thanks :)
You can do it with any bluetooth headset. Even those just used for cellphone calls. You just need to pair it as explained and press the button to talk in the common bluetooth headset (as you'll do for making a phone call or giving a voce command to a cellphone). That way you can just give the small headset to your students.
Hey MotoGeek Freak. I posted a question a month ago which you replied to, but then I posted a very long and complex question about my situation. I'm at my wits end with the Sena's they are driving me nuts. The Cardo unit is almost AU$1000, so really need to know if they will do what I need before I spend that kind of money. I've emailed Scala Rider and got no response and called the Australian distributor and they couldn't help either. Really hope you can help.
Hey +65stangman65, I'm just now seeing your comment, did you figure something out for this? If not, I don't mind trying to help out (not sure I'll know all the answers but I'll try!)!
HI MotoGeek Freak. I haven't sorted this out yet. Basically my 20s turns itself off up to 8 times a day while on lessons, which is a safety issue if the student is about to go through a stop sign or someone is about to pull out in front of them and I can't warn them. I've ordered a pair of Packtalks and and extra boom mic cradle which came to $800 and am hoping for the best and hoping I haven't blown $800. Here is my long winded complicated question that I posted earlier. If you can shed any light on any of these questions, I would be very grateful. "I have a 20s on my helmet and a smh10 for the student and also a sph10 for when I am teaching slow speed manoeuvres and emergency braking and I'm not on my bike. I've gone thru about 8-10 20s' in the last 12 -18 months they keep failing for one reason or another. Fed up with Sena and looking to change. Scala rider don't have anything to replace the sph10 with, so need to keep that. I also occasionally have students with their own Sena's as well. What would you recommend? I was thinking that if I got 2 Packtalks I could use them in Bluetooth mode most of the time, but when I needed to pair with the sph10 and/or a students Sena I could pair the Sph10 on the b channel with one packtalk, run the two packtalks in DMC and bridge in the sph10. If the student was using a Sena then I would pair that (b channel) to the second packtalk which I would have in my pocket (module only, no speaker) then again in DMC mode bridge in each Sena. Do you think this would work? Is it too convoluted? Would you advise to just stick it out with Sena? Please let me know what you think and if you can see any problems I might run into. Ps I also have my 20s paired to my iPhone 6s if that makes any difference to anything. Also the Dept of Transport also use Sena smh10's. So when the student is going on a test I just swap my module with the assessors for the test, then swap back after. Worst case I could remove the Packtalk completely and install the Assessors SMH10, but hopefully there is better way" Also do you know what kind of range I can expect when pairing to a non cardo unit such as the Sena SPH-10? No one seems to be able to give me any idea.
65stangman65 I'd be looking for a change as well if it powered of 8 times a day! Wow. Okay- to your question. You mention putting the 2 Packtalks in a DMC group with each other and using DMC Bridge to bring in the Senas...that is spot on how you will want to do this. Keep in mind that each PackTalk can bridge in 1 Bluetooth-only headset into the group. On a side note, even when you are just using the 2 Packtalks, you will STILL want to leave them in DMC Mode. If you're setup/group is comprised of DMC capable headsets you would never go back to Bluetooth Mode. Ever. Hope this outline helps: -Make sure all of your headsets have current software (scalas and senas) -Put the 2 Packtalks in a DMC pack/group with each other (see "How to Create a Pack" vid) -Temporarily switch both Packtalks over to "Bluetooth Intercom Mode" (so they can act like a Bluetooth headset and pair with the senas) -Take PackTalk "1" and put it in universal pairing mode. Take the sph10 and put it in "Mobile Phone" pairing mode. Wait for them to pair. -Take PackTalk "2" and put it in universal pairing mode. Take the smh10 and put it in "Mobile Phone" pairing mode and wait for them to pair. -If the intercom automatically opens after pairing with the sena, close the intercom channel to return to standby. -Switch both PackTalks back over to "DMC Intercom Mode", at which point they will be instantly connected to each other. -Done. The Packtalks will be connected instantly whenever they are on (love DMC). To activate DMC Bridge, double tap the intercom button on your PackTalk, and that will Bridge in whatever sena unit was paired to that PackTalk. If PackTalk "1" and Packtalk "2" both activate their Bridge, all 4 headsets would be connected and talking to each other. As with any Bluetooth headset, expect some delay in connecting when you activate DMC Bridge because that IS a Bluetooth connection. As for range, it's really difficult to say. I know that anytime you are pairing different brands together the range is less than what either unit is capable of. By nature of "universal pairing", ONE of the units thinks it's paired to a phone (which is a short-range pairing) but it's really paired to a intercom headset. Good luck and hope that helps!!!!
Thank you. I'll take your advice and use DMC instead of Bluetooth mode. Is it that much better? My other concern was the range of the SPH10 as the student can be up to about 300m (1000ft) away. After reading your post I realised that if I pair the SPH10 to my Packtalk rather than the students, then it will never be more than a few metres from my Packtalk, so hopefully that will alleviate my range anxiety:). I'll be getting the Packtalks in the next couple of days and will try it out over the coming week and let you know how it works. Lester
2wrdr You can directly pair to one “non-Cardo”, but if that headset is in-turn paired to say 2 others, depending on those headsets, you could get a 3 off them. I depends on what other brand/model you’re pairing to. And as a note: ANY brand that can pair with any OTHER brand, is going to be exactly the same (one direct non-brand pairing)
Yes, as you can pair an additional phone/MP3 player to that headset for music. As of now, ALL brands stating "Universal Intercom" do so by taking the/a mobile phone slot of the "other" headset to do it. I look forward to them all pairing in a true intercom way...
+MotoGeek Freak thank you for the reply. can you also confirm : only the packtalk can initiate this universal intercom with the Sena (or other BT device) at the push of a button. I take it there isn't a dedicated button on the Sena to 'connect to the other phone '
+triny bwoy They both should be able to activate the intercom- the Sena (or any other headset) has to tap their "mobile" button to activate intercom because that is how it's paired to the Packtalk.
hey MotoGeek Freak - I got a question, i got a group of 11 user of Packtalk, and another 3 person using Sena 20S, is it possible to connect all of them together using your way like this, before u mention that packtalk can connect to 1 non cardo unit, how if we set up 11 packtalk on channel A, and 1 person each connect to 1 sena 20S then that 3 person who connect to Sena, open both A and B channel just like you did before but the diff is, Channel A consist of other packtalk user and not only one like how u show us here
Kelvin Valbrianly 11 Packtalks awesome!! Okay yes you can add the other 3 20s users and all 14 of you will be connected. BUT, you will do it like the "DMC Bridge" video explains, NOT like this video. Basically, the 11 Packtalks will be connected in DMC Mesh Mode, and 3 of those Packtalks will use the "DMC Bridge" feature to bring those other 3 20s units into the group. Each Packtalk can bring 1 in. Hope that helps and let me know how it goes for you!!
How do I keep both Channel A & Channel B activated ? I want to do three way communication with multiple cardo & one Sena . Would the Cardo guys here the Sena rider ?
vikas 190kph If the Cardo guys are all using Packtalk, put this in “ DMC Intercom Mode” and create a mesh pack, then use DMC-Bridge feature to bring the Sena guys in. All can hear and talk to each other...works very well. BUT If the Cardo guys are all using Bluetooth-only models (don’t have DMC/Mesh), then you will HAVE to use the A and B channels. One rider on each channel, and you’ll create a daisy-chain pairing to get them connected. Hope that makes sense!!
MotoGeek Freak : thanks for the quick response brother . My question was : Channel A & Channel B , do they both are activated simultaneously with a press of intercom ?? Or do I need to just keep the intercom Channel A activated ?? While channel B will work automatically and connect the Sena Riderz to the Cardo Gateway
George Rundt: you're going to have one of the other 3 buy a packtalk... Start DMC group with 3 packtalks and patch the 2 remaining headsets in via dmc bridge. If you want a real all-to-all conference solution with non-dmc sets the only way to do it is via DMC bridge, and each packtalk can only link in 1 other set to the network. So, you need to have at least 50% packtalk users in your group to do this. In your scenario, as-is it can't be done afaik
Hey Andre - yes this is possible- first you will use your Packtalk in Bluetooth intercom mode. The sena 20s will pair to the other 20s like normal, and one of them can use "Universal Intercom" to pair with your Packtalk (use mobile phone pairing on the Packtalk, not Cardo Gateway in this case). Then all 3 of you will be able to talk. If any of them switch to Packtalk, then you would for sure use DMC mode and "bridge" the other 20s into your pack (much more stable).
Chris Le Couteur Hey Chris- once you pair on either channel A or B, that channel is taken, so you can only pair 1 headset to each channel. BUUUT, you can get both headsets connected and still only take 1 channel on the Packtalk if that’s what you’re looking to do....... pair the G9 to Packtalk on their A channels, then pair the Q3 to the G9 on their B channels. This way all 3 are hooked up and you’ve only taken 1 channel on the Packtalk. Hope that makes sense!
You can. The G9x doesn't have universal intercom so you'll have to use that feature of the 20s. 1. Put the 20s in universal pairing mode 2. Put the G9x in mobile phone pairing mode Once they pair, either headset can activate the intercom session. 20s can tap the wheel or the G9x can tab the mobile button to start/end intercom. Good luck!!
Yes those can pair no problem, but this video is for Packtalk's older software version. I'd tell the Packtalk user to update to the latest software and then use this video for how to best do it! czcams.com/video/IB6e74irtVs/video.html I hope that helps!
No I don't believe so, but if anyone's done this it would be cool to hear about! Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, it WOULD be possible to get someone in a car to hear/speak to a whole group via the DMC-Bridge feature on Packtalk!? The person in the car could just call any 1 of the riders using a Packtalk and they could bridge that call to the group...
Andrew Huddleston Oh definitely. If you have 4 Packtalks, just choose one of them to use the “DMC Bridge” feature to bring that 20s into the conversation. All 5 will hear and can talk to each other. Hope that helps!
MotoGeek Freak I will test this out tomorrow. To enter DMC mode on the packtalk you hold phone button for 5 seconds? Thanks for your help! My friends are lazy and already connected through packtalks so I was left out on the last 2 group rides😔 hopefully this works!
Andrew Huddleston To switch modes you tap the Mobile and Intercom buttons at the same time (or you can use the app). Checkout some more vids before the ride tomorrow and you should be in good shape!
how you going buddy? can you please tell me how i can pair my scarla g9x to my mates sena 20s, we have tried so many times and its really starting to do our heads in lol
Hey man! Have your buddy look up "Universal Pairing Mode" on his 20s. Once his 20s is in that pairing mode, hold down the "mobile" button on your g9x until it starts flashing red/blue/red/blue... They should pair up at this time. Then, when you tap your "mobile" button it will start intercom with him. (If they pair up but you can talk to each other, turn both headsets off then back on again, wait for them to re-connect, and try again.......should work.) Good luck!
Hi there- because it is 1 Packtalk and 2 Bluetooth headsets (the Q3s), you'll have to use the Packtalk in "Bluetooth Intercom Mode". When your in this mode, you basically have 2 channels to pair with other headsets....so....you will want to pair the first Q3 on Packtalk's Channel A, and the second Q3 on Packtalk's Channel B. Once all paired, a single tap of the "Intercom" button on Packtalk will open the intercom connection for the first Q3 (A), and a double-tab of the Intercom button will open the intercom connection for the second Q3 (B). Of course, if you end up with another Packtalk this will all change; you would then use "DMC Intercom Mode" (Mesh) for sure, and just Bridge the other Bluetooth headset into your group/conversation. I hope that helps a bit!!
@Salvatore Vavalle Short answer: Yes absolutely. Long answer: You'll have to use the Packtalk in "Bluetooth Intercom Mode" so that it will "act" like a Bluetooth headset (not DMC Mesh unfortunately). One of you will put your headset into Universal Pairing Mode, and the other will go into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. Good luck and hope that helps!
The G9 itself doesn't have Universal Intercom, but if you put it in Mobile Pairing mode, other headsets with Universal Intercom can pair to it for intercom...
Yes, and it's one of my favorite features of this model. Put the PackTalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode, then pair it with your G9 on the "B" channel (B on Packtalk and B on your G9). Then, when the Packtalk is in DMC Intercom Mode with other DMC headsets, they can bridge you in by double-tapping their "Intercom" button.
elhatta Are those other models of Bluetooth headsets and/or did you mean Cardo Freecom? The Packtalk Bold will be able to pair with 1 of those (if they are indeed both non-Cardo headsets) but won’t be able to pair with both on its own. No headset can pair with 2 other non-family headsets... If those other headsets are the same brand, then they could pair to each other, then use its own Universal Intercom to pair with the Packtalk (that would give you 3-way conference), but if we’re dealing with 3 different headsets from 3 different brands then I don’t think there’s a solution unfortunately! Hope that helps a bit!
In "DMC Intercom Mode" with other DMC/Mesh headsets, absolutely...and it works amazingly well. In "Bluetooth Intercom Mode", you're pretty much limited to up-to 4 riders without a major headache.
thanks for solving all our problems. we tried for hours using the manuals
thank you for making these packtalk videos, you've made it a lot easier to understand these units
Thanks. Easy and straight to the point.
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Hi man, you've produced the best videos regarding this difficult topic!! Thanks for that.
One question here: let's say the G9x in this video was a Packtalk, am I correct that the 2nd Packtalk would have a free B channel to connect to another person with non-scala rider equipment?
Benniee1 Thanks man! Yes, that’s absolutely correct. In fact, say that G9x was another Packtalk, you would use the 2 Packtalks in “DMC Intercom Mode” and use the DMC-Bridge feature to bring the other Bluetooth headsets into the mix. That would be the ideal setup. Hope that helps!
Awesome video, thank you!
My girlfriend and I are using 2 Pack Talks. I'm the rider, she's the passenger. Is it possible for both of us to listen to music from just my phone AND talk to each other? It seems we can get one or the other, not both..
Hello! Great video, really cleared some things up. I'd love it if you could take the time to answer a question! I just bought one of these and gave my wife my old Sena 3S-W. I can get them paired fine (although we have a lot of noise from her mic that never existed when I used the Sena) but I can't figure out how to listen to my iPhone's music while intercomming with her. The manual is just crazy amounts of useless as it doesn't tell you how exactly to go from one thing to another or give you details on what can be done all at the same time. Are we both going to be able to listen to our phones' music while intercomming?
Thanks for solving this for me. Do you know if the Sena can be connected to a mobile phone as well as the packtalk. I'm having all sorts of trouble getting my packtalk to pair with my sena 30k
Moto Mouse Yeah it should? Put the Packtalk in “Cardo Gateway” pairing mode, and the 30k in “Mobile” pairing mode. Once they pair up, this will be your intercom connection. Then, put the REAL mobile phone on the 30k’s secondary pairing. Should do the trick! Hope that helps out!
Hi MotoGeek...Thx for all ure vids...awesome. I have being trying to connect/paired a Interphone F5 and a ScalaRider Packtalk but with no success...please help with the how to do. much appreciated.
Thanks! Have you watched my vid on "Golden Rules of Universal Pairing"? If not, check that out I think it might help. In short, one you has to go into Universal Pairing Mode, and the OTHER one goes into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. This is how all cross-brand pairings work. Check that vid I mentioned and I think you'll get it. Hope that helps a bit and best of luck man!
Would you find the time to explain how to connect two Packtalk's + two Sena's SMH-10? We got the 2xPackatalk + 1xSENA to work but couldn't add the other Sena in no matter what we tried. Any help in this matter would be much appreciated. Thank you!
You'll want to use PACKTALK's DMC Bridge feature to bring the other Sena headsets into the conversation.
Put the two PACKTALKs in DMC Mode (only way to go in my opinion) and create a pack with those two headsets.
Switch to Bluetooth Mode:
Pair PACKTALK 1 to Sena 1, and PACKTALK 2 to Sena 2 using Cardo Gateway/Universal Intercom (see my video on universal intercom with two headsets)
Then, once back in DMC mode, each PACKTALK user will double tap their "intercom" button to activate DMC Bridge, which will bring them (the Sena headsets) into your pack.
This is the way to get Bluetooth headsets into your pack until they upgrade to a DMC headset:)
This work good for you?
+MotoGeek Freak Thanks, you are really helpful. I will give it a try with my boys and report back. Sena's should be in universal intercom pairing or in the phone pairing mode? To connect it three-ways we used the phone pairing mode on sena because they didn't see each other when sena was using universal intercom pairing mode.
+LucZyn Thanks! You will use the Universal pairing mode of the PACKTALK(s) and the Mobile Phone pairing mode of the Sena(s) to get them to pair up.
Hello MotoGeek Freak - What about pairing a GPS (Eg the Garmin 59x) to the PackTalk at the same time? I'm today using the G9x and BMW Nav V (same as 590) and using the feature of having my phone connected directly to the GPS in order to get access to phonebook and other functions in the GPS such as road directions by voise instructions. I've found out that if I connect more than one other unit to my G9x I will loose the connection to the GPS which is very anoying.
Any videos that explains how to work with the PackTalk in combination with a GPS and possibly also another Bluetooth device?
Hi first of all great videos, we just up graded to a packtalk duo from one of the first q Cardo. Units. I have an iPod which I up graded to Bluetooth by the use of a Motorola plug in device. In the old Cardo I just plug it into the unit through the lead provided but Cardo no need to use Bluetooth . could I do this through the packtalk unit to listen to music with out interfering with the other devices as I only want to use it if required . I currently run n Bluetooth my garmin and my iPhone 7.
Hi
great video!
we used to enjoy the 1+8 feature on G9x but some upgraded and some new people joined with packtalk. Question is will this work for a larger group of riders? half of us have G9x (including me) and other half have packtalk. is there a way for us all to get in a 1+8 setup?with packtalk+G9x?
thanks
thank you brother ill try it out today
Thank you for these videos. Very helpful and appreciated. Why pair the Sena in phone pairing instead of universal intercom pairing? I would have thought universal pairing would be better? Also the way you did it, would the Sena user still be able pair to his phone? If not that would that mean that if you wanted to be paired to ur phone, you would have to re-pair to the packtalk every ride and then pair to your phone again afterward?
Thanks for the feedback glad they are helpful! Okay, so to understand the answer to this one thing must be made clear: The "Universal Intercom" feature, from ANY brand, accomplishes cross-brand pairing by pairing into the mobile phone slot of the "other" headset. This is the only way it is done and all brands use this same method. The headset that used its universal intercom pairing will treat this like a normal intercom, however the other headset thinks it's paired to a mobile phone since it was paired to its mobile pairing.
SO- if two headsets have "universal intercom" ability (such as the case with Packtalk and the Sena in this video) you have to choose which one will use the universal intercom pairing mode.......the other MUST use its mobile phone pairing mode for this pairing to be successful. You will not go into "universal pairing mode" on both headsets, this will not work.
Now, some headsets can only pair with one mobile phone, some can pair with two. If the headset you are pairing with (different brand) can only pair with one phone, then they will be able to pair with you for intercom and that is it. If it can pair with two phones, then they will be able to pair with you (mobile phone 1) AND to their "real" phone (mobile phone 2).
Does this make sense? Sorry for the huge answer....lol
Makes perfect sense, thx for explaining it so well. I'd appreciate a bit more advice if you don't mind. I'm a motorcycle instructor in Perth, Western Australia. I have a 20s on my helmet and a smh10 for the student and also a sph10 for when I am teaching slow speed manoeuvres and emergency braking and I'm not on my bike. I've gone thru about 8-10 20s' in the last 12 -18 months they keep failing for one reason or another. Fed up with Sena and looking to change. Scala rider don't have anything to replace the sph10 with, so need to keep that. I also occasionally have students with their own Sena's as well. What would you recommend? I was thinking that if I got 2 Packtalks I could use them in Bluetooth mode most of the time, but when I needed to pair with the sph10 and/or a students Sena I could pair the Sph10 on the b channel with one packtalk, run the two packtalks in DMC and bridge in the sph10. If the student was using a Sena then I would pair that (b channel) to the second packtalk which I would have in my pocket (module only, no speaker) then again in DMC mode bridge in each Sena. Do you think this would work? Is it too convoluted? Would you advise to just stick it out with Sena? Please let me know what you think and if you can see any problems I might run into.
Ps I also have my 20s paired to my iPhone 6s if that makes any difference to anything.
Also the Dept of Transport also use Sena smh10's. So when the student is going on a test I just swap my module with the assessors for the test, then swap back after. Worst case I could remove the Packtalk completely and install the Assessors SMH10, but hopefully there is better way.
I really hope you can help sort through this.
Lester
Hey MotoGeek Freak - Can you pair more than 1 non Cardo bluetooth headest to your Packtalk ?
Mars Camma No, just one per Packtalk. Such is the case with any headset that can pair with another brand.
Had the Sena 20S but because of all the heavy static on a group intercom we bought this PackTalk in a dual box. Me and my wife are working ok so far (but still hard to hear her at times, its like my volume won't go as loud as hers). My big question for you (and your video is very nice and helpful!!!) is whe conferencing in a 3 rider with non PACKTALK headset. Just as your video shows my brother has a 20S. I followed your video exactly and was able to keep the other PackTalk on channel A and was successful getting his 20S on channel B exactly as you did. HOWEVER it would NEVER allow me to call or connect both A and B riders!!!!!!!! Man it was frustrating! So I open and try to do it from the App and as soon as the app connects it says connection lost and all the lit up button gray out so there is not a connection to the phone. I then turned off bluetooth to my iphone and tried it again and again (thinking maybe that PACKTALK is using the bluetooth connection to my iphone to pair with his 20S?? But that did not work either. It will not connect the three together. Either I talk on channel A to my wife with the Packtalk or to his 20S on channel B but if you try to connect the two together it crashes, or the app closes or the headset has even turned off!! But it has never done a 3 way call yet like yours did. Usually when you hit the intercom button to call the 20S (two taps) it says "not available" then most of the time you call A after that (one tap) it says unavailable. ANY HELP from that long explanation is appreciated. :-)
Glad they are helpful! Okay, for the volume (and I've ran into this myself), make sure she is talking DIRECTLY into the yellow triangle at the end of the boom mic, and it's close to her mouth. If facing the wrong way or too far away she will be very quite on your end. If she's already doing that, adjust your speakers in the helmet. It should almost be too loud when this is done. As for pairing the 20s, I've learned that after they pair, it is best to turn both u it's off then back on again. Once you hear "rider B connected" you should be able to talk to him by activating the B channel. The A channel of course will bring your wife into the conversation. As a last option, look at the DMC Bridge video, this may be a better way to setup the units since you have 2 Packtalks (you can take advantage of DMC that way). Hope it helps!
+MotoGeek Freak **both units off then back on again**
This end up working for you?
So 2 of my buddies decided to get a Sena ( not sure why, I tried convincing them that Cardo's DMC is superior) but now I'm unsure how to connect to them. Sure I can connect via B mode but how do I join their group conversation? Do I pair up with both separately and then let them connect to each other first or will I have to pick 1 of both to connect with?
Your videos are very informative
How do you get the 8+1 to work with the Cardo g9x
Thanks! That's a feature of the g9x as well as PackTalk (when it's in Bluetooth Intercom mode) 1+8 goes like this.....The "1" is you, and the "8" are the eight other riders you can connect with for a 1-on-1 conversation (you can't talk to all 8 at once). Basically, you have 8 other g-series or pack-series riders you can put in your "Buddy List" and then reach them by just saying their name (whatever name they saved in their headset as their Buddy Name). Check out the video I put up on the Cardo Community- it touches on that and might help you out. Let me know if that makes sense!
Hello MotoGeek Freak, thank you for your informative videos regarding the Scala Rider Packtalk. Currently we ( a group of four, sometime up to six riders) have Scala G9's. I would like to update to the Packtalk because of its Dual audio function. WIth this function I hope to hear my phone (music/navi) at the same time as the intercom
1. Do you have experience with Dual audio?
2. Will I be able to connect to the three other G9's (now we use the rider+passenger option to connect with four riders)
3. If 2 is yes, what'll happen when a rider, be it the packtalk or a G9, disconnect?
Thank you in advance for your response.
Hello-
1. Yes and it works very well, the result is being able to listen to music/GPS from phone while communicating. They also just did an update that allows you to adjust the volume of the underlying music which was needed and works great now).
2. If you have 1 PackTalk and 3 G9x, you will have to use the PackTalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode. It will act just like a normal Bluetooth Headset in this mode (pairing up on A and B channels) and connectivity will be the same as using a G9x. Advantages to you would be audio overlay and universal pairing ability. However, if even one other person gets a PackTalk, you would operate in DMC Intercom Mode (far superior connectivity) and "Bridge" the other Bluetooth headsets in to the conversation. Let me know if you have any questions on this.
In a perfect world- if your whole group switched to PackTalk you could create a pack with all six of you and it would just work every time, whether you were with one other rider or all six of them.
+MotoGeek Freak
I agree with your final remark, also with the "auto reconnect when in range feature". Only downside is that our headsets are just two years old and two other riders bought them at the end of last year. I find it a pity for them to buy new ones already, also due to the high price of the Packtalk units.
I'm also slightly afraid thatthe support for Packtalk units will decrease when a new hign-end model is released (since the packtalk is released our G9's didn't receive an update..).
My main goal is the dual audio functionality. I'm first going to try to fit four smaller speaker in my helmet; two for the G9, two for the phone. If this doesn't suit my needs I'm going to to replace it with a packtalk.and try yo sell the G9 :-).
Can I connect 2x PackTalk, 2x Interphone Tour and 2x Interphone F5MC at the same time where everyone can talk to each other at the same time?
Having a hard time finding an answer to our situation, not sure you have a video on it. My wife and I both have Cardo Packtalk Bolds, our group of usually 3-6 others all have Sena20s units. I can connect my Cardo to 1 sena and hear and communicate with everyone but can't get my wife in as well. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. Also, sorry if you already have a video on this scenario, I couldn't find it.
Try to use the DMC-Bridge feature: Once you get to the point where your Cardo is connected to 1 one of the Senas and you can hear that group, tap the Intercom button 1x (this is how you activate DMC Bridge). Assuming your Packtalk is in a DMC/Mesh group with your wife's Packtalk, this should pull her into the conversation. Good luck and hope that helps!
@@MotoGeekFreak thank you we’ll try it
Thank you for a great video. The manual is so so.
I have a question. I have a "china model" with BT. I can pair it on the B channel. When I Call it connect, and I can hear it works. But after one sec my Cardo shuts down. Any suggestions?.
Kasper Christensen Hmmm...Try doing a power-cycle after pairing them? That’s a tough one!
hi +MotoGeek Freak, thx for responding to my question the other day about the scala rider and the sena bluetooth pack :D
Now I have another question, as you know any packtalk device can bring a non-packtalk device to its group chat by using dmc bridge, my question is, what if the scenario is reversed? Can a single packtalk device be connected to a group of... let's say sena 20s?
thx :D
SouthSide Jakarta Hey there! Yes, it can. And you can be in either Intercom Mode tondo this. First thing- crow brand pairing is done by one headset doing "Universal Intercom Mode" which is Cardo Gateway on the Packtalk, and the other headset goes into Mobile Phone pairing mode. This is how they ALL do it. So, if there's a bunch of Sena and 1 Packtalk, one of the Senas can pair to your mobile phone pairing slot an add you to their conversation. Just as a heads up - it's gonna be tricky keeping you all connected though because this will be a Bluetooth intercom group/ aka daisy-chain. If there ends up being more Packtalks involved, it will be FAR more stable to have the Packtalks bridge in the Senas because you'll all be able to take advantage of the DMC mesh stability that the Packtalks create. Hope that makes sense!
MotoGeek Freak thanks man 👍👍👍 awesome answer 😁😁😁
Pairing 3 bluetooth devices; 2 Lexin B4FM with Scala Rider G9 possible???
Hi, I bought a Scala Rider G9 a couple of years ago to listen to music, receive phone calls and some times to times talking with other riders.
This year my girlfriend and a friend of mine are joining but they buy the Lexin B4FM which is way cheaper and works great!!
I can successfully pair the 2 B4FM together or even the 2 B4FM with my G9, but I'm unable to pair the 3 of them to speak at the same time. I'm not even sure it's possible.
Here is what I was able to do so fare. I'm able to connect B4FM-1 with my G9 mobile-1 and B4FM-2 with my G9 mobile-2, but I can't find a way so that we speak to each other (all 3 at the same time). When B4FM-1 is connected to my G9 mobile-1 it disconnect the B4FM-2 and as soon as the B4FM-1 disconnect, the B4FM-2 connects with my G9 mobile-2. And it's only when my G9 is disconnected that the two B4FM can speak to each other.
Can someone help me?
Thanks
how do you initiate intercom from the sena to the packtalk?
Thanks for this video, me and my friends have been trying to figure this out for ages. They have the PackTalk, I have the 20s and I have been trying to get the "universal intercom" to work on the Sena with no success so far.
I do have one question you might be able to answer. I typically have my iPhone paired to the Sena all the time, can I connect to the PackTalk in addition to my phone? Or do I have to choose one at a time.
Your 20s can pair 2 phones like the PackTalk, so you SHOULD be able to do both. Check out my video on DMC Bridge, you're gonna want to set it up like that. Let me know how it goes!!
I did see the DMC bridge video just after I saw this one.
I know the Sena 20s can connect to multiple BT devices ( i.e phone, navi) so I was hoping it would work.
I sent my friends a link to this video, and once the rain stops, in a few days :( we'll give it a go and I'll let you know how it played out.
Cool. They will form a "pack" in DMC Mode, then use DMC-Bridge to bring your 20s into the conversation.
Quick notes on how to do this (you will pair with ONE of your friend's packtalks):
-Switch that Packtalk to "Bluetooth Intercom Mode"
-Packtalk - get into "Cardo Gateway" pairing mode
-20s - get into "mobile phone" pairing mode
-Once they pair up, switch the Packtalk back to "DMC Intercom Mode"
-Packtalk will double-tap intercom button to bridge you in, or you can tap your mobile button.
-If this doesn't work at first, power-cycle both units then it should work fine!
Well, we got to try out something slightly different, we paired two Sena 20s to one PackTalk.
First I connected to the PackTalk via Bluetooth, this appeared to sever my phone link, I could still listen to music but my Sena no longer worked as a phone handsfree. When I switched on and off the sena it would say "device connected" and "audio device connected" not "phone connected". I also noticed I had missed calls after the trip so phone handsfree was not working.
The other sena was able to connect to mine and we got 3-way communication. However the audio quality was not as good, I suspect the Sena switched off the HD-Audio feature.
The PackTalk range was probably about 50% of the Sena to Sena. One time on the motorway we lost the PackTalk, but it reconnected automatically. Later on in the trip the PackTalk user took off and we lost him again, this time it did not auto connect and we had to stop and reconnect again manually.
All in all it works, but I guess not as good as PackTalk to PackTalk and Sena to Sena.
850bimmer With 2 20s and 1 PackTalk, you should go to "Universal Pairing" mode on one of the senas and "Mobile Phone Pairing" mode on the PackTalk to pair. If you had 2 PackTalks and 1 sena, you would go to "Universal Pairing" mode on one of the PackTalks and "Mobile Phone Pairing" on the sena to pair (and use the two PackTalks in DMC Mode for sure).
If next time you are with more PackTalks, have them create a pack in DMC Mode and "bridge" your 20s headsets in, this works very very well.
Hi, can i connect a 1 packtalk, 2 sena 20s, 2 G9x, 1 G9 and 1 freecom 4? Thanks
What if there is no other Scala to put on the A channel? A group of us have Sena's, I know that a new rider with a Scala Packtalk can only link with one of the Sena's but we can't get it to link with any of them. It won't seem to skip the A channel with nothing paired in it. Any help is appreciated.
Brian Tucker Hey there. Okay so if the Packtalk had v4.0 software this video will be the wrong way to do it. This is only for v3.2 or below. Just a heads up. Past that, you want to think about it like this: both the Packtalk and the Sena’s (likely) have Universal Pairing/Cardo Gateway, which means they can pair to a different brand. BUT, the way it works is, one unit goes into universal/gateway mode, and the OTHER headset goes into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. This is how any cross-brand Pairing gets done. So, if you have multiple Sena’s and 1 Packtalk (then you need more Packtalks and be done with this whole pairing fiasco with DMC! 😋) I would suggest using the Sena’s Universal Pairing and the Packtalk’s Mobile Pairing. This way, the Sena can use normal Intercom with the other Sena’s and pull the Packtalk into the convo. If there was more Packtalk’s than Senas, you would do it the opposite way: let the Packtalks pull the Senas into the convo. Hope that makes sense!
Thank you for the quick reply. Are you aware of instructions for a packtalk with later versions? I can verify the version on the packtalk later tonight. I can get the two to connect over the phone pairing button on the Scala, but then he loses his phone pairing, we can talk, but he can't access his phone anymore. I wonder if I can go backwards with versions on the Scala? The software above seemed to work well. My buddy with the Scala has tried everything they have suggested from Scala support. I have been using the universal phone pairing mode on the Scala, and the phone pairing on the Sena, I can try to reverse that tonight.
Great videos! Answers I haven't been able to find anywhere else!
We ride with a couple that have G9's. We had the G9x's but sent them back as we were unhappy with static and low volume. We would often pair so all 4 of us could communicate at the same time.
Is this possible if we had the Packtalk with their G9's?
Thanks!
Thanks!! Yes you can use the Packtalks with G9s no problem. You can either use PackTalk in Bluetooth Mode and pair with G9s on your A and B channels, OR, use DMC Mode, create a "pack" with your two Packtalks, and "bridge" those G9s in (that way you can always stay in DMC Mode, which is nice)
The G9's that we ride with are paired with each other. Do I then have to pair them one of them on my B channel and then switch to DMC mode and bridge them in? I can't find instructions on this anywhere! Your help would be greatly appreciated!
+Terry Enns If you have 2 Packtalks, and are riding with 2 G9s, and you all 4 want to talk, I would suggest this:
-Create a "pack" with your 2 Packtalks (DMC Intercom mode)
-Switch your PackTalks over to Bluetooth Intercom mode
-Pair PackTalk 1 to G9 1 on their "B" channels
-Pair PackTalk 2 to G9 2 on their "B" channels
-Switch your Packtalks back to DMC Intercom mode.
Done. As soon as you power up your two Packtalks, they will be connected instantly (thanks to DMC). Then, each PackTalk can "bridge" the G9 that it's paired to into your conversation...
PackTalk 1 bridges in G9 1, PackTalk 2 bridges in G9 2, and all 4 of you can talk together. Hope that helps!
Oh and check out the DMC Bridge video I made....that may help out as well....
We tried the method you suggested above and the G9's said that it sounded like the Packtalks were under water. The Packtalks could here the G9's clear as day and Packtalk 1 and 2 could here each other clear as day.
The first time we rode with the G9 couple, since they were paired to each other on their A channel, I switched to Intercom mode on the Pactalks, paired them to my B channel via their B channel, switched to DMC mode and bridged them in. This wasn't good either. We all sounded like we were under water and the connection was lost at a short distance.
So our last chance is the Packtalks in Intercom mode and connect to them via Bluetooth, correct? Pactalk 1 and 2 need to pair via our A channel, then pair the G9's via one of the Pactalk's B channel? I'm really hoping they purchase the Packtalks and all this will go away but they have another couple with G9s that they ride with and want to make sure they can still communicate with them. Again, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
+Terry Enns I wonder if the 2 G9s being paired together on their A channel caused an issue, instead of them being totally independent and connected to each other through the Packtalks (via DMC Bridge)? Almost like them being connected twice?
Your last paragraph is correct; you could use your Packtalks in Bluetooth Intercom Mode and pair to the G9s that way (at which point your PackTalk is acting like a Bluetooth headset and you are creating a daisy-chain). Packtalks paired to each other on A channel, and a G9 paired to each PackTalk on B channel. You don't want to have the G9s ALSO paired together on their A channel when doing this. Hopefully trying DMC Bridge again (this time without the G9s paired directly to each other) will work. That way you can stay in the preferred DMC Intercom Mode...
Quick question. Do you have to do this each time? Or if we meet up each month it will recognize each other?
Eric Freund Well, it SHOULD remember it and do it automatically (not nearly as reliably/fast as DMC does), but my experience with Bluetooth connections like these has been hit and miss. Sometimes you do indeed need to repair them later on, for whatever reason.
Hi, please teach me. I recently bought packtalk duo and I need to IC pair a G9x and a Sena. Tks.
Ryan Lee Hey there. Ok so since you have 2 Packtalks, I’d recommend using those in “DMC Intercom Mode” and using the DMC-Bridge” feature to bring the other 2 Bluetooth-only headsets (G9x and sena) into your group.
-Pair Packtalk 1 and the G9x together on their “B” channels.
-Pair Packtalk 2 and the Sena together using Cardo Gateway Pairing Mode (same as this video shows Pairing to the sena)
The 2 Packtalks will communicate together anytime they are on thanks to the DMC, then, Packtalk 1 will double-tap the intercom button to bring in the G9x, and Packtalk 2 will do the same to bring in the sena. Then all 4 can hear and talk to each other. Hope that helps!
Question; say I had two Packtalks and hook the, up in DMC mode. And I have a total of 6 Interphone Bluetooth headsets. Can I chain together 3 Interphones (twice) and hook each chain to one of the Packtalks to give me a total of 8 headsets connected?
I notice the way you keep saying that you are putting the other brand headsets in mobile phone pairing mode, not pairing mode for another headset....
Omgosh if you all had Packalk...DMC Mesh would be PERFECT for this trip...)
Great question and I'll do my best to answer. First and foremost, it's important to remember that ANYTIME you are pairing one brand with a different brand, it uses the "Mobile Phone" pairing slot of ONE of them. Watch this video I did for more info on this: czcams.com/video/We9oTBTq_ao/video.html
I start with that, because what you are trying to do MAY be do-able, and it depends on the capabilities of the Interphone headsets you have. IF the Interphone has the ability to bring an active phone call into the intercom group (ex. 3 Interphones connected for intercom and talking, one of them gets a phone call....can he bridge that phone call into the group so that all 3 of them can hear and talk to the caller?? Might be noted in the Interphone manual is Conference Calling or something like that...) then yes, it should work.
Here's why:
When setting up a cross-brand pairing, one of them treats it like an actual "Intercom" session (universal pairing), and the other headset treats it as an active "phone call" (mobile phone pairing). This is the way all brands connect to any other brand, and it uses the HFP Bluetooth Profile, the same profile it uses when pairing a mobile phone for phone calls. Basically, one of the headsets "THINKS" it's on an active phone call, but it's not, it's talking to another Bluetooth headset. So if a headset can be on a true intercom session, and bring an "active phone call" into that intercom session, then theoretically it should work.
Here's how the pairing would go:
1.) Put both Packtalks in a DMC/Mesh group with each other then set them aside
2.) Pair 3 Interphone headsets together using their recommended intercom pairing order
3.) Pair the other 3 Interhpone headsets together same as the first 3
4.) Grab 1 Packtalk, and 1 Interpone from the first "Interphone group", and pair them together using Universal Intercom on the Packtalk, and Mobile Phone pairing on the Interphone
5.) Grab the 2nd Packtalk, and 1 Interphone from the second "Interphone group", and pair them together same as above
6.) Get the 1st group of Interphone users talking to each other
7.) Get the 2nd group of Interphone users doing the same
6.) Activate "DMC Bridge" on the first Packtalk (one press of the Intercom button) and wait for it to connect to the Interphone headset it's paired with. Since the Interphone will then think it's on a "phone call", have that Interphone "share that phone call" with the rest of his Interphone group and the 4 of them will be connected
8.) Do the exact same thing with the second Packtalk and the Interphone it's paired with, then the 8 of you will be connected because the Packtalks will be glue-ing those two groups together via the "DMC-Brdige" capability of the headset.
I'll be super curious to know if this works so let me know!! lol. As I said, theoretically it should, assuming the Interphone has the ability to bring a "phone call" into its "Intercom"-world.
P.S. If you end up with a total of 4 Packtalks, this all would change (for the better), because then you could connect those 4 together in DMC/Mesh, and have each Packtalk just DMC-Bridge in ONE Interphone headset each. This would connect all of you together for comms, and since the "core 4" would be connected using DMC it would be MUCH more stable...
@@MotoGeekFreak Wow! What an answer!
I asked Cardo support the same question and they came back with "it will not work", saying that can only bridge one into the mesh.
I get what you are saying regarding opening the mobile phone channel up to the other Interphones in the chain.
I think I would be OK with buying two Packtalks (for myself and my wide on pillion) if I was sure this would work.
To get 4, I need to convince another couple to do the same obviously - and some of them don't have their Interphones long ...
I do think it would make a massive different to our trip from Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Switxerland, France .. and back. It might be worth getting half of the crew to make the jump.
I'll let you know how we get on :-)
Dunno if you are alive, but I have 2 friends wits Sena 30k and I have a Cardo bold pack talk. We weren't able to do 3 way talk, how to solve this?
Hi. I run a motorcycle training business and want to be able to speak to my students when they are training in a car park, however I don't want to have to wear my helmet all the time! Can I pair a phone type Bluetooth headset to a packtalk unit? Thanks :)
You can do it with any bluetooth headset. Even those just used for cellphone calls. You just need to pair it as explained and press the button to talk in the common bluetooth headset (as you'll do for making a phone call or giving a voce command to a cellphone). That way you can just give the small headset to your students.
Hey MotoGeek Freak. I posted a question a month ago which you replied to, but then I posted a very long and complex question about my situation. I'm at my wits end with the Sena's they are driving me nuts. The Cardo unit is almost AU$1000, so really need to know if they will do what I need before I spend that kind of money. I've emailed Scala Rider and got no response and called the Australian distributor and they couldn't help either. Really hope you can help.
Hey +65stangman65, I'm just now seeing your comment, did you figure something out for this? If not, I don't mind trying to help out (not sure I'll know all the answers but I'll try!)!
HI MotoGeek Freak. I haven't sorted this out yet. Basically my 20s turns itself off up to 8 times a day while on lessons, which is a safety issue if the student is about to go through a stop sign or someone is about to pull out in front of them and I can't warn them.
I've ordered a pair of Packtalks and and extra boom mic cradle which came to $800 and am hoping for the best and hoping I haven't blown $800.
Here is my long winded complicated question that I posted earlier. If you can shed any light on any of these questions, I would be very grateful.
"I have a 20s on my helmet and a smh10 for the student and also a sph10 for when I am teaching slow speed manoeuvres and emergency braking and I'm not on my bike. I've gone thru about 8-10 20s' in the last 12 -18 months they keep failing for one reason or another. Fed up with Sena and looking to change. Scala rider don't have anything to replace the sph10 with, so need to keep that. I also occasionally have students with their own Sena's as well. What would you recommend? I was thinking that if I got 2 Packtalks I could use them in Bluetooth mode most of the time, but when I needed to pair with the sph10 and/or a students Sena I could pair the Sph10 on the b channel with one packtalk, run the two packtalks in DMC and bridge in the sph10. If the student was using a Sena then I would pair that (b channel) to the second packtalk which I would have in my pocket (module only, no speaker) then again in DMC mode bridge in each Sena. Do you think this would work? Is it too convoluted? Would you advise to just stick it out with Sena? Please let me know what you think and if you can see any problems I might run into.
Ps I also have my 20s paired to my iPhone 6s if that makes any difference to anything.
Also the Dept of Transport also use Sena smh10's. So when the student is going on a test I just swap my module with the assessors for the test, then swap back after. Worst case I could remove the Packtalk completely and install the Assessors SMH10, but hopefully there is better way"
Also do you know what kind of range I can expect when pairing to a non cardo unit such as the Sena SPH-10? No one seems to be able to give me any idea.
65stangman65 I'd be looking for a change as well if it powered of 8 times a day! Wow.
Okay- to your question. You mention putting the 2 Packtalks in a DMC group with each other and using DMC Bridge to bring in the Senas...that is spot on how you will want to do this. Keep in mind that each PackTalk can bridge in 1 Bluetooth-only headset into the group. On a side note, even when you are just using the 2 Packtalks, you will STILL want to leave them in DMC Mode. If you're setup/group is comprised of DMC capable headsets you would never go back to Bluetooth Mode. Ever.
Hope this outline helps:
-Make sure all of your headsets have current software (scalas and senas)
-Put the 2 Packtalks in a DMC pack/group with each other (see "How to Create a Pack" vid)
-Temporarily switch both Packtalks over to "Bluetooth Intercom Mode" (so they can act like a Bluetooth headset and pair with the senas)
-Take PackTalk "1" and put it in universal pairing mode. Take the sph10 and put it in "Mobile Phone" pairing mode. Wait for them to pair.
-Take PackTalk "2" and put it in universal pairing mode. Take the smh10 and put it in "Mobile Phone" pairing mode and wait for them to pair.
-If the intercom automatically opens after pairing with the sena, close the intercom channel to return to standby.
-Switch both PackTalks back over to "DMC Intercom Mode", at which point they will be instantly connected to each other.
-Done.
The Packtalks will be connected instantly whenever they are on (love DMC). To activate DMC Bridge, double tap the intercom button on your PackTalk, and that will Bridge in whatever sena unit was paired to that PackTalk. If PackTalk "1" and Packtalk "2" both activate their Bridge, all 4 headsets would be connected and talking to each other. As with any Bluetooth headset, expect some delay in connecting when you activate DMC Bridge because that IS a Bluetooth connection.
As for range, it's really difficult to say. I know that anytime you are pairing different brands together the range is less than what either unit is capable of. By nature of "universal pairing", ONE of the units thinks it's paired to a phone (which is a short-range pairing) but it's really paired to a intercom headset.
Good luck and hope that helps!!!!
Thank you. I'll take your advice and use DMC instead of Bluetooth mode. Is it that much better? My other concern was the range of the SPH10 as the student can be up to about 300m (1000ft) away. After reading your post I realised that if I pair the SPH10 to my Packtalk rather than the students, then it will never be more than a few metres from my Packtalk, so hopefully that will alleviate my range anxiety:). I'll be getting the Packtalks in the next couple of days and will try it out over the coming week and let you know how it works. Lester
Thanx
How many of those Senas or or standard BT riders can you connect to, just one?
2wrdr You can directly pair to one “non-Cardo”, but if that headset is in-turn paired to say 2 others, depending on those headsets, you could get a 3 off them. I depends on what other brand/model you’re pairing to. And as a note: ANY brand that can pair with any OTHER brand, is going to be exactly the same (one direct non-brand pairing)
Do you have the pairing procedures for a Freecom 4 w/an sena 30k!?
David Kater Checkout this vid, it should help!: czcams.com/video/We9oTBTq_ao/video.html
can the Sena 20s be able to play music when not in intercom mode with the packtalk? (being that the Sena was pairied as a phone to the Cardo)
Yes, as you can pair an additional phone/MP3 player to that headset for music. As of now, ALL brands stating "Universal Intercom" do so by taking the/a mobile phone slot of the "other" headset to do it. I look forward to them all pairing in a true intercom way...
+MotoGeek Freak thank you for the reply.
can you also confirm : only the packtalk can initiate this universal intercom with the Sena (or other BT device) at the push of a button.
I take it there isn't a dedicated button on the Sena to 'connect to the other phone '
+triny bwoy They both should be able to activate the intercom- the Sena (or any other headset) has to tap their "mobile" button to activate intercom because that is how it's paired to the Packtalk.
hey MotoGeek Freak - I got a question, i got a group of 11 user of Packtalk, and another 3 person using Sena 20S, is it possible to connect all of them together using your way like this, before u mention that packtalk can connect to 1 non cardo unit, how if we set up 11 packtalk on channel A, and 1 person each connect to 1 sena 20S then that 3 person who connect to Sena, open both A and B channel just like you did before but the diff is, Channel A consist of other packtalk user and not only one like how u show us here
Kelvin Valbrianly 11 Packtalks awesome!! Okay yes you can add the other 3 20s users and all 14 of you will be connected. BUT, you will do it like the "DMC Bridge" video explains, NOT like this video.
Basically, the 11 Packtalks will be connected in DMC Mesh Mode, and 3 of those Packtalks will use the "DMC Bridge" feature to bring those other 3 20s units into the group. Each Packtalk can bring 1 in. Hope that helps and let me know how it goes for you!!
How do I keep both Channel A & Channel B activated ? I want to do three way communication with multiple cardo & one Sena . Would the Cardo guys here the Sena rider ?
vikas 190kph If the Cardo guys are all using Packtalk, put this in “ DMC Intercom Mode” and create a mesh pack, then use DMC-Bridge feature to bring the Sena guys in. All can hear and talk to each other...works very well.
BUT
If the Cardo guys are all using Bluetooth-only models (don’t have DMC/Mesh), then you will HAVE to use the A and B channels. One rider on each channel, and you’ll create a daisy-chain pairing to get them connected. Hope that makes sense!!
MotoGeek Freak : thanks for the quick response brother . My question was : Channel A & Channel B , do they both are activated simultaneously with a press of intercom ?? Or do I need to just keep the intercom Channel A activated ?? While channel B will work automatically and connect the Sena Riderz to the Cardo Gateway
If I have three friends with G9X and my wife and I are on the Packtalk, what is the best way to have us all communicate? Thanks
George Rundt: you're going to have one of the other 3 buy a packtalk... Start DMC group with 3 packtalks and patch the 2 remaining headsets in via dmc bridge. If you want a real all-to-all conference solution with non-dmc sets the only way to do it is via DMC bridge, and each packtalk can only link in 1 other set to the network. So, you need to have at least 50% packtalk users in your group to do this. In your scenario, as-is it can't be done afaik
what about if I want to connect my packtalk to 2 of my friends ? all my friends are using sena 20S , or I can't ?
Hey Andre - yes this is possible- first you will use your Packtalk in Bluetooth intercom mode. The sena 20s will pair to the other 20s like normal, and one of them can use "Universal Intercom" to pair with your Packtalk (use mobile phone pairing on the Packtalk, not Cardo Gateway in this case). Then all 3 of you will be able to talk. If any of them switch to Packtalk, then you would for sure use DMC mode and "bridge" the other 20s into your pack (much more stable).
+MotoGeek Freak can you make a video about that ? that's sounds complicated , thanks!
Quick question can I connect a Q3 & G9 all on channel A ? Cheers Chris
Chris Le Couteur Hey Chris- once you pair on either channel A or B, that channel is taken, so you can only pair 1 headset to each channel. BUUUT, you can get both headsets connected and still only take 1 channel on the Packtalk if that’s what you’re looking to do....... pair the G9 to Packtalk on their A channels, then pair the Q3 to the G9 on their B channels. This way all 3 are hooked up and you’ve only taken 1 channel on the Packtalk. Hope that makes sense!
MotoGeek Freak cheers guys love the vid Merry Christmas
I got a sena 20s and a Scala Rider G9X.
Can I pair both of them and if so, how?
You can. The G9x doesn't have universal intercom so you'll have to use that feature of the 20s.
1. Put the 20s in universal pairing mode
2. Put the G9x in mobile phone pairing mode
Once they pair, either headset can activate the intercom session. 20s can tap the wheel or the G9x can tab the mobile button to start/end intercom. Good luck!!
great!!! it works. thanks!
Hey me and my friend got a sena 10s and a Cardo pack talk does this work ?
Yes those can pair no problem, but this video is for Packtalk's older software version. I'd tell the Packtalk user to update to the latest software and then use this video for how to best do it! czcams.com/video/IB6e74irtVs/video.html
I hope that helps!
can any of the sena or cardo can be paired with a bluetooth system of a car?
No I don't believe so, but if anyone's done this it would be cool to hear about! Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, it WOULD be possible to get someone in a car to hear/speak to a whole group via the DMC-Bridge feature on Packtalk!? The person in the car could just call any 1 of the riders using a Packtalk and they could bridge that call to the group...
CAN THE SENA 20S JOIN OF GROUP OF 4 OTHER PACKTALKS ALREADY PAIRED?
Andrew Huddleston Oh definitely. If you have 4 Packtalks, just choose one of them to use the “DMC Bridge” feature to bring that 20s into the conversation. All 5 will hear and can talk to each other. Hope that helps!
MotoGeek Freak I will test this out tomorrow. To enter DMC mode on the packtalk you hold phone button for 5 seconds?
Thanks for your help! My friends are lazy and already connected through packtalks so I was left out on the last 2 group rides😔 hopefully this works!
Andrew Huddleston To switch modes you tap the Mobile and Intercom buttons at the same time (or you can use the app). Checkout some more vids before the ride tomorrow and you should be in good shape!
MotoGeek Freak will do, thanks buddy!
What is a range of universal intercom ?
In a word: Short. Universal Intercom from ANY brand is always substantially shorter than “normal” Intercom.
how you going buddy?
can you please tell me how i can pair my scarla g9x to my mates sena 20s, we have tried so many times and its really starting to do our heads in lol
Hey man! Have your buddy look up "Universal Pairing Mode" on his 20s. Once his 20s is in that pairing mode, hold down the "mobile" button on your g9x until it starts flashing red/blue/red/blue...
They should pair up at this time. Then, when you tap your "mobile" button it will start intercom with him. (If they pair up but you can talk to each other, turn both headsets off then back on again, wait for them to re-connect, and try again.......should work.) Good luck!
Hi how can pair pack talk to 2 card q3s
Hi there- because it is 1 Packtalk and 2 Bluetooth headsets (the Q3s), you'll have to use the Packtalk in "Bluetooth Intercom Mode". When your in this mode, you basically have 2 channels to pair with other headsets....so....you will want to pair the first Q3 on Packtalk's Channel A, and the second Q3 on Packtalk's Channel B. Once all paired, a single tap of the "Intercom" button on Packtalk will open the intercom connection for the first Q3 (A), and a double-tab of the Intercom button will open the intercom connection for the second Q3 (B). Of course, if you end up with another Packtalk this will all change; you would then use "DMC Intercom Mode" (Mesh) for sure, and just Bridge the other Bluetooth headset into your group/conversation. I hope that helps a bit!!
can the cardo packtalk pair with the sena sc1?
@Salvatore Vavalle Short answer: Yes absolutely.
Long answer: You'll have to use the Packtalk in "Bluetooth Intercom Mode" so that it will "act" like a Bluetooth headset (not DMC Mesh unfortunately). One of you will put your headset into Universal Pairing Mode, and the other will go into Mobile Phone Pairing Mode. Good luck and hope that helps!
MotoGeek Freak
Out of all the descriptions I've seen and got, yours is the best answer.
Thank you!
How to sena 2 and packtalk 1 to connect cant you get the answer sir?
Checkout this video to see how to best set that up...it will help you out! czcams.com/video/We9oTBTq_ao/video.html
How to guide Scala rider G9 to mode universal intercom?
The G9 itself doesn't have Universal Intercom, but if you put it in Mobile Pairing mode, other headsets with Universal Intercom can pair to it for intercom...
hi motogeek freak, do you know how dmc bridge work? i cant set it up
i have g9 and i want it to join my dmc group
thank you
Yes, and it's one of my favorite features of this model. Put the PackTalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode, then pair it with your G9 on the "B" channel (B on Packtalk and B on your G9). Then, when the Packtalk is in DMC Intercom Mode with other DMC headsets, they can bridge you in by double-tapping their "Intercom" button.
thank you bro, it works
Bluetooth conference Not working with Packtalk Bold - SCS S1 - FreedConn Tcom SC.
elhatta Are those other models of Bluetooth headsets and/or did you mean Cardo Freecom? The Packtalk Bold will be able to pair with 1 of those (if they are indeed both non-Cardo headsets) but won’t be able to pair with both on its own. No headset can pair with 2 other non-family headsets...
If those other headsets are the same brand, then they could pair to each other, then use its own Universal Intercom to pair with the Packtalk (that would give you 3-way conference), but if we’re dealing with 3 different headsets from 3 different brands then I don’t think there’s a solution unfortunately! Hope that helps a bit!
Ok, thanks. I can pair with 2 differents brands but only chat with once at a time.
Ah yes, I meant to say that!! Lol, can pair with both but only talk to 1 at a time. Good post 👍
My Sena will drop after 30 seconds no matter what! C cameras are not compatible
cant get phone app to connect to pack talk. have I Phone 6
Try erasing/ re-downloading the app. Pair your phone to the PackTalk, then then open the app. Should work for ya
can we get grouping for 4 or more?
In "DMC Intercom Mode" with other DMC/Mesh headsets, absolutely...and it works amazingly well. In "Bluetooth Intercom Mode", you're pretty much limited to up-to 4 riders without a major headache.
@@MotoGeekFreak okeyy, thanks for the info :)
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