The Ballistics Match: Love Triangle Murder Trial Day 7 Recap | TX v. Kaitlin Armstrong
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- This is the Day 7 Recap from the so-called "Love Triangle Murder Trial," aka TX v. Kaitlin Armstrong.
Playlist to all videos on this topic: • Love Triangle Murder T...
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Dr. Irving Scher's expert witness FULL testimony (see time stamps between 15:52 and 2:02:38): • LIVE: Gwyneth Paltrow ...
FOR CONTEXT:
Yoga instructor Kaitlin Armstrong is on trial for murdering a professional bicyclist named Anna Moriah "Mo" Wilson. Kaitlin was in a relationship with professional bicyclist Colin Strickland. When Kaitlin and Colin were on a break in their relationship, Colin very briefly dated Mo. Friends described this as basically a very casual, very brief dating period, without much emotional connection. Things didn't work out romantically for Colin and Mo, but they allegedly remained friends. Prosecutors allege that Kaitlin became very jealous of Mo ever since, and that this jealousy drove her to take Mo's life.
After she was questioned by police, she fled to Costa Rica on her sister's passport, where she dyed her hair and had plastic surgery that changed her face dramatically. After she was apprehended, she tried escaping a second time, this time from a doctor's appointment she had in jail.
Trial in this case began on October 30th in Austin, TX when a jury was paneled. On November 1st, the prosecution and defense gave their opening statements.
Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:34 Witness No. 1 - Det. Daniel Portnoy (Digital Forensics)
2:54 Witness No. 2 - Brandi Standfield (DA's Digital Forensics Unit)
4:10 Witness No. 3 - David Luppino (General Manager, The Range at Austin)
5:20 Witness No. 4 - Jill Zann (Former Neighbor of Christine Armstrong)
6:52 Witness No. 5 - Steve Aston (Forensic Scientist, Firearm Ballistic Research & Testing)
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This format for covering trials and cases is the best you can get on the internet. Excellent work.
Re: cable locks
When I bought my Sig Sauer (may or may not be the exact same model, but at least a similar one, and purchased new within 2 years of the gun in the trial) it came with a cable lock as a freebie. And that cable lock came with a paper explaining how to apply one to a handgun as shown in the diagram.
Therefore, I'd conclude that it's very possible Armstrong acquired the lock and knew how to use it, even without having someone there to tell her personally.
Even on top of that: when you go to the range, you can easily see various people using the "locks" depending on the state you are in, or even the range you are at.
The range has plenty of weapons for sale. The range requirements may be that cable locks are on the weapon when you arrive. It is not difficult to figure out the cable lock since it is easily translated to BIKE locks.
Cable locks are pretty self explanatory, its a simple lock with a long shackle. Its pretty clear it goes through the gun
I’m sorry, did you say $44k worth of ammo?! That’s a huge amount. Literally thousands of rounds. That’s a lot even for Texas. 😂
That's an insane amount of ammunition, for someone who isn't a shooter and just bought a firearm for self defence.
In fact it's so much it seems irrelevant to the case, it's a lifetime supply.
It’s probably one pallet of ammunition. If he’s running a range, he’s probably selling ammo to customers as well. So it’s probably around 200 boxes of 1000 rounds per box.
I had to rewatch that one multiple times because it threw me too. But she didn't say *who* paid 44k, so was it Armstrong or the range owner? I have to guess the latter.
😂 You know you've gone too far if a Texan thinks it's too much ammo.
Where do you even safely store that much ammo?
It’s a tragic case. Kaitlin seems to be a very disturbed individual. A life sentence, without parole, awaits.
Just read that, prior to her most recent escape attempt, she was offered a plea deal. She could have gotten out in her 60s.
If they convict her - and I hope they do - at least give her 50 years before she's eligible for parole.
I hope that doesn't sound too mean - just don't think she's someone who's going to be 'rehabilitated'.
Since the cumulative evidence - AKA the big picture - is what the jury looks at, that's what's overwhelming here, imo.
Since some people think that circumstantial evidence isn't 'real' evidence, it's possibly worth stating that a lot of appeal-proof convictions have resulted in trials in which ALL of the evidence is just that: circumstantial.
Wonder if she's regretting turning down the plea deal. And that second escape attempt.
Or - more importantly- if she regrets shooting another person in the face.
Rest in peace, Mo. It's all a damn shame.
Thanks for the precious updates... I personally have no empathy and no sympathy for Kaitlin who, no matter the reasons, does not hesitate to kill someone for her own convenience. Lifetime and No parole is what she deserves... also no brain, because now she has anyway lost the man she loved and fought for to keep to herself and she'll see he has moved on and have a nice life far from her
Appreciate these breakdowns! Was wondering when I saw the live stream up for closing arguments if you would manage to release any more recaps before closing, and then this popped up 😄
Currently working on Day 8, although it might sadly need to go live after closing arguments!
@@LegalBytesMediait just means we will be watching it later rather than never.
All I heard about Ballistic Evidence in the last months is that when looking at it in detail is that it is a junk science at least when it comes to pinpointing one bullet to one specific gun. It seems not even clear to what extent guns from the same factory, made in the same lot etc. can even be identified identified individually based on ballistic eveidence. On top of that assuming that was possible, there seem to be no standards how many "data points" and of what type need to align to identify a match. That being said: As far as I understand they can identify make / model of a gun reliably, so a gun like hers, used to inflict the deadly wounds, is one more circumstantial data point to push the question whether it was her beyond reasonable doubt. At some point those arguments about placing somone on the scene seem to extend to the point "the murdered person isn't here to give testimony, so how can we be sure?"
Can’t wait to see closing with you! If I get some free time this morning I might go sit in court. I’m local, as in Austin-local, and this is the best reporting I’ve seen on this case. Cameras should really be allowed in all aspects of open court. 💙💙
If anyone else did this why did Kaitlyn flee to Costa Rica, get plastic surgery, use aliases, steal her sister's identity, etc? Why is she the one displaying consciousness of guilt and not the other people who were suspects?
Hi Alyte. Thanks so much for covering this Trial for us. 😅😅 🇨🇮🇨🇮
Even without ballistics, Kaitlin’s behavior and web searches are damning. I don’t see how the defense can overcome that.
Wonderful job on breaking this case down! Thanks!
You are very articulate and good on camera. You should be a news person
As always great coverage!
You are really cranking these videos out and it is appreciated!! ❤❤❤
I dont know if you noticed, but Mo's father in his after court remarks, cited Colins involvement! Smart man .
Love your channel LB 😍🥰
If she hadn’t fled the country under a false name, gotten into mastic surgery under a fake name, and tried to flee prison twice, she might’ve had a chance to get away with this.
But she didn’t. I think, now, she’s buggered.
The Sig Sauer would have come with a cable lock. There would have been detailed instructions on how to use the cable lock. The cable lock is a standard inclusion by the manufacturer.
I saw that trial with Gwyneth and I get what you're saying absolutely
Figuring for 75¢ a round. You could get 60k rounds. Buying cheaper in bulk you could get 150k rounds or more for 44k dollars. Why tf would she do that lol
Who says *she* did? It was a business record that the general manager of the range verified as accurate. The video doesn't say that Caitlin bought that on her own.
Makes sense for a firing range to buy in bulk.
Fair estimate as ranges buy all kinds of different qualities and subtypes of each caliber. Range grade can be as cheap as $0.05 each, but ranges often also sell higher tech self defense rounds that can go for $1-$2 each (especially over the last few years when prices have been higher than normal due to supply shortages and higher demand). 9mm is extremely popular both as range/practice rounds and sales to the community so this is not abnormal for this kind of business.
In my experience, 50-100 rounds per hour per person is around average to max usage on a range for handguns. Most ranges have 10-20 handgun lanes (this one has 25) and are open 8-10 rental hrs a day (this one is open 7 days a week). If we assume 10 lanes a day get 8 hours of one person each people using 50 9mm rounds for 28 days, that’s 112,000 rounds per month without including sales for off site use. So $44k can easily be consumed in a month at this place.
The circumstantial evidence is excessively rampant. If she didn't do it then somebody knew she was going to look guilty and took advantage. Like maybe one of her friends. And that seems absurd.
I agree 💯 regarding how she didn't plan this. She did some insanely stupid things after the murder.
Good gracious if she gets off it will be such a travesty
I really don't get the point about the cable lock. If I recall correctly, the gun was found in Colin and Kaitlin's house, I assume with the cable lock installed. If we are arguing that Kaitlin doesn't know about cable locks, we have to believe that someone stole the gun, killed Mo, installed a cable lock (to which Colin and Kaitlin presumably wouldn't have a key) and returned the gun before anyone realized it was missing. Why would anyone install a cable lock in that situation? It seems much more reasonable to assume Kaitlin learnt how to install a cable lock some other way. You could argue that Colin did it, but it doesn't seem to match anything else we have seen in the trial, and he would probably have told Kaitlin about the cable lock since the gun was shared. Or am I missing something?
Kaitlin is a toast! Lifetime sentance.
*Edit*
Wait, the $44,000 was an Accounts Payable receipt for a shooting range? Yeah, that's not insane at all, depending on what length of time that purchase was meant to cover; 9mm is probably the single most-popular caliber in the US, and my understanding is that ammunition is a high-volume, low-margin product. Assuming the location is a combo gun store/shooting range, open six days a week, ten shooting lanes, ten open hours per day, one shooter per lane per hour, 25% occupancy rate, 100 shooter-hours potential max per day, 25 shooter-hours per day average, 150 shooter-hours per week, 25% of shooters (VERY conservatively) shooting 9mm, 38 shooter-hours per week using 9mm IN-STORE alone, assuming one box of 9mm per shooter-hour, 23-ish weeks of $1/round ammo, 85.5 weeks of $.25/round ammo, and I consider that entire estimate to lean HEAVILY conservative. LOTS of people will buy ammo in-store, then put it downrange on their own property or at public ranges or gun clubs, though, and depending on whether we're in a presidential election year or not, I wouldn't be surprised at a large, high-volume gun store selling 1000 boxes of 9mm in a single *transaction* on a weekly basis (yes, there are people with that much money who are that paranoid about a Democrat taking the White House).
I'll leave the rest of this comment intact, even though I misunderstood the video on my first watch-through; I consider it a lesson in trying to multitask and how I should NOT be doing that!
*End edit*
*Fourty-four* thousand has *got* to be a typo by whoever was doing the reporting. $4400 is still on the expensive side, but it's more reasonable by an order of magnitude. Sigs as firearms are pretty middle-of-the-road as far as price is concerned, retailing for as little as $600 US to as much as $1500 for factory-standard models without accessories like red-dot sights. As I recall, the former couple bought a pair of Sigs in the same transaction; not remembering the exact models, call it $1000 per pistol, throw in $100 worth of cleaning and maintenance supplies, up to $200 worth of range time and targets, $200 for hearing and eye protection, $400 assuming 10% sales tax, and we're looking at $1500 worth of ammunition, assuming they did not *also* purchase a safe and/or holsters at the same time, which could throw off the figures by as little as $16 (Oh, you wanted a Ziploc bag as your "safe" storage solution? Okay...) to as much as $14,000 (*not* a typo, but also extremely unlikely; from the Sportsman's *Warehouse,* space for 65 rifles featuring 66 inches of *internal* vertical space, enough for a short adult to stand upright).
A pair of non-firearms people would've probably been upsold pretty hard, and with online 9mm prices ranging from $.25 per round to nearly $1 per round (I've used The Sportsman's Guide as my source for firearms and ammunition pricing, for anyone wanting to check the work), I'd expect the $1 per round figure to be about right. That comes out to 1500 rounds in total, 750 per person per pistol, fifteen boxes of fifty rounds each per person, thirty boxes in total. A box of 9mm is about 5x2.5x1, so (one kind of) rectangular solid would be 10 inches long, 7.5 wide, and 5 high. If we go up that order of magnitude to the (presumptive) typo, we're talking forty-four *thousand* rounds of ammunition at the expensive end, or *one-hundred seventy-six* THOUSAND rounds of the cheap stuff, either 880 boxes of fifty rounds or 3520. 880 boxes is just under 30 times our original 30-box brick, so using nice even numbers, we're talking a brick of (if I haven't pictured this incorrectly) 20 inches long, 22.5 inches wide, and 25 inches high. Google tells me a standard shipping pallet measures 48x40, so our footprint is about a quarter that of a shipping pallet for expensive ammo, or a full pallet loaded two feet deep for the cheap stuff.
In terms of what a reasonable amount of ammunition to keep on hand looks like, I shot competitive 10 Meter Air Rifle in high school on my school's team; we practiced three times per week, 35 pellets minimum per session for 105 pellets per week. If we assume a competitive handgun shooter is practicing 50 weeks per year, that (fairly sedate; good shooting is like good running, you've GOT to keep it frequent) schedule yields 5250 non-competition rounds fired per year. For someone practicing for self-defense purposes, the appropriate round-count will vary based on how much money and time one has available and how seriously one takes the responsibility inherent in practicing armed self-defense; if money and time were no object, 30 rounds a week seems like an appropriate minimum level of seriousness to *me*, and that would total 1560 practice rounds per year; different people will feel differently, of course.
To sum up: $44,000 on firearms and ammunition in a single transaction is, for a *single* non-competitive shooter, well into the realm of "I'm a doomsday prepper whose rich uncle just died" territory. $4400 on firearms and ammunition in a single transaction for *two* new-to-firearms-preparing-for-self-defense shooters is more expensive than it needs to be, but is roughly the equivalent of someone buying a new car for the first time paying a couple of grand more than they needed to: no big deal.
I've been watching your coverage and am convinced the cat and dog have MATCHING collars.
Circumstantial evidence leads to a conclusion that the MIGHT be married.
Also, dat Bish on the bike is guilty AF. No 🧢
I definitely mentioned at least once in a recent recap that I'm as basic as they come... and this is about as much seasonal clothing as Mr. Bytes will allow me to put on our pets 😂
Based on cross from the ballistic expert, it sounds like they are trying to say ALL ballistic evidence could be wrong for ALL cases. Seems a bit extreme
No it is not extreme, bullet case analysis is pretty close to a junk science at this point. In the age of mass manufacturing, it is quite wild to claim they you can say that this gun fired a given bullet to the exclusion of every other gun in the world (even of the same make and model). There may have been some value to it 50 odd years ago but as manufacturing and QA processes improve in manufacturing it is to be expected that there will be less and less deviation in products be it firearms or bars of soap.
How ironic Kaitlin shoots Mo in her face, wiping out Mo's identity, and then in the heart killing her, and then she goes and alters her own face.
I wonder how Colin wasn't killed too. These love triangles usually end up with all 3 dead, so I'm sure Colin was a lucky cheater.
Can she be a stalker that was just following her sure. Would she run, faking her name and changing her looks if she had nothing to do with it? Unlikely.
$40,000 for 9 mm ammo, that could supply a militia
The ballistic evidence might not be strong enough to convict on its own, but combined with the established motive (from multiple sources) and a complete lack of any credible possible motive of everyone else and the other circumstantial evidence, I think it is good enough. I assume the ballistics expert would likely have been able to rule out most guns.
The cable lock argument from the defence is weak. Presumably the cable lock was fitted by someone, and that person would surely have known ( from the same source material ) how to remove it for use. But the defence has to make all the arguments it has as confidently and as a persuasively as possible.
Also, I suspect that if the ballistics expert had cleared the gun, the prosecution theory would be that she used a different gun, so good is the other evidence IMO.
In my area the police department gives you a cable lock when you register a handgun. It is a no brainer as to how it works so I don't see that as a big deal. And I can't believe her "expert" didn't know. Everyone knows so that person was no expert. As for bullet comparison that has become very controversial. The riffeling is the same in every gun that is the same model from the same manufacturer. I have looked at several fired bullets and I for one think it is total junk science. The lands and grooves in rifling that are made on the same machine are identical. Because led is soft it doesn't change the harden steel barrel until you put tens of thousands of rounds through it. Or you heated it up so much that you start to take the temper out of it. If there is some damage in the barrel then maybe you can see the difference in a fired round but a new gun looks exactly like a new gun of the same make and model. These "experts" are full of crap. Now to be clear I do think she is guilty given all the evidence of her coverup but this kind of crap bullet testimony taken as fact is just wrong.
Katelynn wiped her phone, so we won't know if she planned this murder, regardless she did not take the plea, so I think she will get life, and continually try to escape.
This case is more blatantly obvios than the Donna Adelsin case.
I think she was set up
The fuck was she going to do with 44k in 9mm rounds?
Baes on what I heard in the rest of the case, she did it . However this ballistic evidence can be challenged. I know nothing about g*ns.
Ballistics is definitely kinda junky. I'm ok with them suggesting that it's not a foolproof science. But if the tool marks are similar, then I think it's still a valid piece of evidence for the prosecution. It just needs to be considered with other evidence.
She’s so guilty, this whole court thing is but a formality.
Isn't Jill Zahn a real housewife of 1 of new york or something? Lol
I couldn’t find the link in the description for Paltrow’s trial 🫠 was it there?
Ahh shoot!! Thank you, I forgot that detail when uploading. I updated the description but I'll add the information here too:
Excerpts of Dr. Irving Scher's expert witness testimony in Sanderson v. Paltrow: czcams.com/video/Woa3mpJGXNk/video.html
Dr. Irving Scher's expert witness FULL testimony (see time stamps between 15:52 and 2:02:38): czcams.com/video/NWZ-1wyHUg0/video.html
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