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I just love how this show weaves facts and legends in the same history, it really gives a full picture we are supposed to get of history. Thanks for y’all’s work!
Caligula strikes me as genuinely crazy on some level. Nero, on the other hand, seems like a spoiled rich kid, taken to the nth degree. Imagine the Kardashian clan with the power of life and death and you've got Nero and his court.
When it comes to picking genocidal maniacs as your avatar it reminds me of a Rush Limbaugh line: "Show me the book: Great Moderates of History". We are drawn to the people that DO THINGS. We fantasize about having such an effect on history. I named my Corvette "VLAD" for Vlad The Impaler. License plate and all. I believe it's harmless.
I always figured the reason Christianity disliked Snakes was because it represented the Pagans. Like St Patrick driving the snakes out of Ireland was Christianity driving Away the Pagan religions.
It's strange because snakes seem like they would be favored by Christianity considering it's stories. Christianity has several rebirth myths (Jesus reviving, Great Flood, etc.) and ones of miraculous healing. Snakes, due to their strong connection with death, are often used to symbolize rebirth or healing (e.g. ouroboros, rod of asclepius, etc.). You'd think snakes would be seen positively by Christians especially considering the semetic faith adopted several positive/neutral snake-based myths into itself with early biblical characters like Moses and Aaron using snake-staff things and even naming one the staff of God. I guess the version of snake as trickster in the foundational story of Adam and Eve completely overrode all of those positive and neutral associations with snakes.
Agrippina really deserves her own series or something. Her life tracks from the death of Germanicus to Nero and id say she is the first women to hold full de facto power in Roman history (although that depends on how you view the Livia, Tiberius dynamic)
Yes. Yes she does deserve that. If and when we return to the first Caesars I should certainly do that... The story from her perspective is very interesting indeed.
@@HistoryBro Its quite the turnaround there to go from the espoused moral piety of Augustus and Octavia to within 2 generations the leading woman in Rome is known to have slept with her brother and married her uncle. But then i guess that generational gap is roughly the equivalent of say the WW2 generation to millennials (a lot happens inbetween)
I think the reason why people like Nero become so terrible is a mix of 3 things. Proximity to the emperor or the emperors court, and being raised directly in ‘the purple mindset’ (Augustus/Claudius had to put in work themselves) and what it could do, Agrippina being a witch and a menace to Roman society and destabilising the entire court that Claudius had built up, and the Hedonism of the new youth, based on the more degenerate Hellenistic practices that Roman society had eschewed, combined with Neros megalomania and you’ve got a man who goes against the very idea of rome with pride. Poor old Vespasian got banished from court because he fell asleep during Nero’s wonderwall solo, most of Roman society hated everything that Caligula Agrippina and Nero stood for.
Ya let's take the sources completely at their word......what could go wrong?! They surely didn't have any inherent biases, and surely weren't writing 50+ years after Nero's death..............
This a preview video. Only a fraction of the full conversation... In the full conversation we do indeed discuss the historiography and the short-comings of the sources.
Beau's arched eyebrow...one of the wonders of the virtual world.
No one does it better than you two. Honestly will never get bored of listening to these
What a great actor
I just love how this show weaves facts and legends in the same history, it really gives a full picture we are supposed to get of history. Thanks for y’all’s work!
Favourite off-shoot channel of the Lotus Eaters for a good reason!
Caligula strikes me as genuinely crazy on some level. Nero, on the other hand, seems like a spoiled rich kid, taken to the nth degree. Imagine the Kardashian clan with the power of life and death and you've got Nero and his court.
36:22 One of the most uncomfortable awkward pauses in history, understandably so.
When it comes to picking genocidal maniacs as your avatar it reminds me of a Rush Limbaugh line: "Show me the book: Great Moderates of History". We are drawn to the people that DO THINGS. We fantasize about having such an effect on history. I named my Corvette "VLAD" for Vlad The Impaler. License plate and all. I believe it's harmless.
I forgot what this episode was about during a few parts. Best thing ive listened to all week
I think Beau's eyebrow curls more than I can.
I always figured the reason Christianity disliked Snakes was because it represented the Pagans. Like St Patrick driving the snakes out of Ireland was Christianity driving Away the Pagan religions.
It's strange because snakes seem like they would be favored by Christianity considering it's stories. Christianity has several rebirth myths (Jesus reviving, Great Flood, etc.) and ones of miraculous healing. Snakes, due to their strong connection with death, are often used to symbolize rebirth or healing (e.g. ouroboros, rod of asclepius, etc.). You'd think snakes would be seen positively by Christians especially considering the semetic faith adopted several positive/neutral snake-based myths into itself with early biblical characters like Moses and Aaron using snake-staff things and even naming one the staff of God.
I guess the version of snake as trickster in the foundational story of Adam and Eve completely overrode all of those positive and neutral associations with snakes.
Agrippina really deserves her own series or something. Her life tracks from the death of Germanicus to Nero and id say she is the first women to hold full de facto power in Roman history (although that depends on how you view the Livia, Tiberius dynamic)
Yes. Yes she does deserve that.
If and when we return to the first Caesars I should certainly do that... The story from her perspective is very interesting indeed.
@@HistoryBro Its quite the turnaround there to go from the espoused moral piety of Augustus and Octavia to within 2 generations the leading woman in Rome is known to have slept with her brother and married her uncle. But then i guess that generational gap is roughly the equivalent of say the WW2 generation to millennials (a lot happens inbetween)
I think the reason why people like Nero become so terrible is a mix of 3 things. Proximity to the emperor or the emperors court, and being raised directly in ‘the purple mindset’ (Augustus/Claudius had to put in work themselves) and what it could do, Agrippina being a witch and a menace to Roman society and destabilising the entire court that Claudius had built up, and the Hedonism of the new youth, based on the more degenerate Hellenistic practices that Roman society had eschewed, combined with Neros megalomania and you’ve got a man who goes against the very idea of rome with pride. Poor old Vespasian got banished from court because he fell asleep during Nero’s wonderwall solo, most of Roman society hated everything that Caligula Agrippina and Nero stood for.
I learned a lot about Nero through the original hetalia scans, i don't know how to feel about that
New subscriber here,
this channel is great. 👌
Ya let's take the sources completely at their word......what could go wrong?! They surely didn't have any inherent biases, and surely weren't writing 50+ years after Nero's death..............
This a preview video. Only a fraction of the full conversation... In the full conversation we do indeed discuss the historiography and the short-comings of the sources.
I Hope Carl doesn't dominate the conversation.
42:56 well said haha