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#28 - Sargon on Hannibal - Part 1 of 2
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2020
- Fancy listening to Monsieur of Akkad and I chatting about Hannibal Barca for ages?... You're in luck!
NB:
1.) Part 2 has already been recorded. I've gotta finish making it. Hopefully be up in about a week. Two more hours worth. So....
2.) I had been watching a lot of The Doc around the time of recording. No apologies.
3.) MacGyver fans - please don't be too hard on Carl for not knowing MacGyver. It's not his fault.
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Whenever Sargon gets too depressed he calls up History Bro and goes to his happy place: being a history nerd.
I can fully understand this, lol
Whenever you need to History, Bro, call HistoryBro.
Basically the Romans were a city of Randy Marsh - " I didnt hear no bell!"
Lol. Randy is my favourite.
"Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was Rome, I'm sorry"
@@HistoryBro Randy is the goat. The senate probably said that after Cannae
HEY I THOUGHT THIS WAS ROME!
The best around! 'im sorry I thought this was a roman country, am I in a Phoenician city? I'm sorry I thought this was rome!!'
@@Condoctuc Hahaha
Oiled women is a currency we should use today
The selfish would start hoarding their surplus oiled women... The savvy would start shorting their oiled women futures.
Agreed.. those Balearic slingers were really ahead of their times
What? You get paid in something other than oiled women?
@@scrubsrc4084 Ya man.. all I get is this stupid paper money.. its not even backed by anything with real value like precious metals or oiled women times shares.. my boss seriously tries to tell me it haves value because he and I believe it does or some nonsense like that.
@Tacitus Kilgore Big Lenin mentioned them a little while after your posted question ^
When i saw the title I was like "but Sargon was before Hannibal, how could he make comments on him" Then i heard Carl lol 😂
Sargon the Great was as far back in Hannibal's history as Hannibal is in ours.
Hannibal was so badass he broke the timeline.
Sarguyver of McAkkad
Yeah I came just cause of the confusion, I have to admit I'm kinda disappoint.
same
Hannibal to the gauls: Get in losers, we're sacking Rome
Making Cisalpine Gaul great again.
I wonder. Are there any elephant corpses frozen in the ice to this day left behind? Or men for that matter.
Loved it. Thanks guys
Yes! MacGyver! Lmao spot on man!
Jonny Watts some estimates say anywhere from 100,000-20,000 men and 250-103 elephants. These are the maximum and minimum estimates I’ve heard so somewhere in between I’d guess. (Somewhere closer to the lower end probably)
Listening to Sargon sperg out at the state of the world can be exhausting. It's nice to hear him chilled and talking about something he enjoys.
I'm glad he does genuniely seem to enjoy it. I know I do.
sargon loves the state of the world. he is just a gatekeeper.
@Victor Kurske Do you happen to recall Sargon, looking forward to "white genocide"
he is just another establishment gatekeeper.
@@masterofthedeathwing2839 your incapacity to see satire is staggering, and I suggest you seek psychiatric help.
@@es0teric76 How would you know the intent of the person i was replying to? You some kind of mind reader? or do you just enjoy "pathologising" people online?? Seems pretty leftist to me.
"Balearic slingers were paid in oiled slave women". Ah, now I know why Sargon took up sling practice...
If slavery trumps r*pe then I couldn't even r*pe you-Balearic Carl circa 247 BC
Lol
Hannibal loved it when a plan came together.
Definitely.
@@HistoryBro that's A-Team
@@casualsilver2702 Lol, of course... Barca, Lecter, Colonel John 'Hannibal' Smith; ALL Hannibals love it when a plan comes together.
Hannibal before the battle of Canae: “I am about to engage in a battle that could change the course of world history. I will be wearing a SUIT. The romans probably don’t even OWN a suit.”
Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother got his love of suits directly from Hannibal.
But was his suit fitted properly?
@@HistoryBro True story
Hannibal of Applebees
Pls never stop doing these. I beg you
Cheers for the comment, Bro. Really appreciate it.
@@HistoryBro I could listen to this stuff all-day long
@@espRevolution Thanks Bro
Get your self over to the podcast of the lotus eaters if you want more of this.
The silence during the "MacGyver incident" is just perfect! You can "hear" Sargons confusion in the back :D
What we need here is a distraction.
I always wondered why the upkeep for Balearic slingers was so expensive in Rome Total Realism. Those women don't oil themselves I guess.
42:25 a big Roman stick is that they never fight offense wars, and the Carthagian senate just forced the Romans to declare war.
The world is in serious need of a Hannibal movie trilogy
Yes. Yes please. :-)
As for the engineering knowledge of the Carthaginian army viz the breaking of the rocks after heating them with fire: Spain was a mineral rich region, with lots of mining operations. Before the invention of gunpowder, the main way to break up rocks was to heat it with giant fires, and then pour water on it.
Gud comment... I think maybe the thing that makes this instance so astounding, is that it was done 'under fire' so to speak.
Inject the Punic Wars right into my veins
Ha! I'm thinking of the Simpsons when Barney wins a lifetime supply of Duff.
I think this is my fave of the Bro v 'Gon series so far. The dilemmas both sides faced really come to life. Great stuff. Looking forward to the next part.
Cheers buddy.
On History Bro's point on the unreliability of the Carthaginian Senate in the First Punic War: it wasn't so much unreliability but rather a shift in focus.
Hamilcar was actually given his command in Sicily relatively late into the war in 247, replacing another Hamilcar (ironically enough.) By that time, Rome had lost its fleet twice and Carthage couldn't afford to keep their own active. The war had totally stripped Carthage of all its money, so much that they even approached Egypt for a loan, however, it was refused.
To get more money, the Senate, under the dominance of Hanno the Great, shifted their focus away from fighting the Romans and towards expanding their territory in Africa. Hamilcar's campaign was something of a side show to the real war going on in Africa. It was only when the Carthaginians heard of the rebuilt Roman navy that they relaunched their fleet.
Thanks Tallerand. Excellent comment. In part 2 of this, I do mention the Carthaginians wars inside Africa, but I don't really go into it in all that much detail. In hindsight I should have given it a bit more attention... Square dinkum.
I'm a 57 yr old woman and I'm dying at this oiled woman stuff. Love you all.
Hannibal was decent, but he's no Zap Brannigan
Fair point... Brannigan = Boss of Bosses
Brannibal*
*Knock Knock*
Leela: Who is it?
Zapp: Just a broken down hobo who's hit rock bottom.... and his commanding officer.
Kiff: 0_0
Leela:
You know Zapp, once I thought you were a big pompous buffoon. Then I realized that inside, you were just a pitiful child. But now I realize that outside that child is a big pompous buffoon!
Brannigan:
And which one rocked your world?
@@TVdinnermasterchef its the slight pauses between his words that make it even funnier haha. Have another one.
Leela: You know Zapp, someone oughta teach you a lesson.
Zapp: If it's a lesson in love, watch out. I suffer from a very sexy learning disability. What do I call it Kif?
Kif: (Sighs)... Sexlexia
Holy shit I've been looking forward to this, better than any university class I've taken
Thank you. High praise indeed. Thank you.
@@HistoryBro It helps that you guys are educated yet are able to say things in simple yet eloquent ways. I listen to these at bedtime and it is so immersive, I can imagine myself watching the events unfold like a spectator. You also humanize your subjects, might I suggest having the creator of #ZoomerHistorian on your show.
6:20 "whereas the Romans were very patriarchal and based"
Sargon needs to start letting us know when he’s going on to other channels to do these philosophical/historical talks, I really enjoy these and wish that he would let us know on his Daily channel when he does
Yep. I mean, uhuh, sure. That'd be great from my perspective. :-)
Didn't know about this channel. Am very impressed at Maos famine being covered. A topic that is seldom covered in depth in English is the Finnish civil war, a subject that would fit in very well on this channel.
Great call about the Finnish civil war. Would love to cover that at some point... Thanks for the comment though. Welcome aboard the good ship HIstory Bro.
The awaited day has finally arrived!! I'm so stoked I'm leaving a comment before even hitting "play". I'm so excited.
O day of days! Gloria in excelsis Deo!
Man, this should have happened a few months ago, huh. Still, Carl is up for more, and part 2 will be out soon. :-)
absolutely excellent. Loved how sargon had no idea who macgyver was.
Now I have an image of Dr Disrespect at the head of an army riding an elephant holding 2 M16s. Excellent content as always Bro!
Cheers for the comment, brother.
You're the first one to mention The Doc. :-)
I feel like The Two-Time and Hannibal had a lot in common. Slicing 'em up!
I found this channel because of Carl mentioning it on a live stream. History is something I gush over constantly, so I'm glad he mentioned it. ❤
Welcome aboard. :-)
Finally they cover my number 1 favorite general. There is a great manga that illustrates his campgian in Roman.
Hope we did it some justice. Inevitably we will have missed bits and bobs.
Oh my god i nearly came when i saw you uploaded a 2-part discussion of the punic wars.
I found a forum post by a "Sargon of Akkad" from 2011 mentioning the manner in which the Balearic slingers were paid.
It's the top google hit if you search for balearic slinger payed with oiled women. It's only after I read you comment I looked WHO had posted that :D
You are correct Sargon. I majored in history and specialized in Roman history. Long ago I came to the conclusion that what made Rome an empire was not military genius in generals ( they had some good ones but so did everyone else). What made Rome different was the culture in the ordinary Roman citizen of being absolutely unable to accept defeat. And, that cultural drive gave them the ability to win time and time again no matter how many individual defeats in battle happened to them. The United States used to be like that....Are we still? I wonder.
This was awesome, as always. Amazing story. Looking forward to Part 2!
Danka. Danka.
This is a game campaign if I ever heard one. Treacherous journey, first opponent is a doddering old man easy tutorial mission. After some more footslogging, you must face down the hot headed general charging forward. After beating him it's time to deal with the more level headed boss man.
I'd buy that for a dollar! :-)
History Bro, I really enjoyed your last talk on Dangerfield's channel.
Thank you, Sir. Appreciate the nod. :-)
Here because of Sargon, staying for the knowledge and obvious enthusiasm. Cheers fella!
Oh, great. Thank YOU. Thank you, Sir. I appreciate it.
Well hello, new favourite history channel.
Hey man, thank you. Appreciate the support!
Like what you I often find with Rome’s enemies, namely leaders is that they often portray them as strong, very skilled, fair and shrewd, a worthy enemy. Like I was just watching something on Decebalus the last king of the Dacians, and the Dacian Wars, and at the end it remarked how the Romans respected him, as an enemy worthy of them, a shrewd, fair and calculating man who knew the right time to retreat and the right time to attack. So I found that interesting how the Romans felt superior to these people, but had a strange respect for them as well.
Interesting, isn't it. So very different to how, say, the Assyrians or the Persians talked about their enemies.
Its interesting that an empire like the Assyrians wanted to inflate their own power by emphasizing how easily they annihilated their enemies, but Rome inflates their own power by emphasizing the difficulties in which Rome faced yet overcame. Instilling fear is the game of kings, instilling patriotism is the game of the nation.
You can also see that in the way they appropriated into the legions any superior style of weaponry (gladius from Hispanola) and armor (lorica hamata from Gaul) they faced in a defeated enemy.
@@Unpainted_Huffhines Or how the Romans developed their first ships during the 1st Punic War: they salvaged some damaged Punic ships, reverse-engineered them and then put in a slight Roman flair. The Romans were an enemy you better beat fast because they didn't know the concept of surrender and they learned from their mistakes. Scipio who fought several times against Hannibal took every trick Hannibal used against Rome into his own playbook
When you think about it, it’s like reverse ego inflation. “Look how awesome this guy was. We beat him. How amazing are we?” That’s my read on it.
I'm here after Hannibal was mentioned on the Lotus Eaters podcast today. Got a chuckle from the Dr D references. This is such a great discussion. Thanks guys.
I look forward to a discussion about Gaius Marius and/or Lucius Cornelius Sulla. I find those figures and that era immensely interesting
Thanks matey. I'm looking forward to it myself.
Why does Ambushed from the front and back sound like a porno?
Lol
I'm sitting at home, awaiting a coofer test result. It's probably going to be a false positive, so I need all the content I can get. Love me some Carthage, cheers.
You're welcome buddy.
Good luck, best wishes.
"It's true, they've got us outnumbered. But you know something?
They haven't got any Gisgos.
Not a Gisgo in the bunch."
I think the most significant difference between Rome and Carthage (and every other contemporary power of the day) was Rome’s mindset towards war. The Greeks, Carthaginians, and Eastern empires seemed to approach war in an almost business like mentality. For those civilizations, if and when the cost or potential cost of war exceeded it potential benefits, the losing power would immediately sue for peace, on terms it believed were comparable to losses or potential losses. Rome did not fight wars this way. Their primary motivation for war was their absolute refusal to tolerate any threat on their borders. They fought all wars for keeps, until their enemies were utterly destroyed or unable to fight back. To Carthage this must have seemed an aberration. Surely, the whole of Sicily(especially after being ravaged by huge armies for many years)was not worth the hundreds of thousands of lives and immense treasure destroyed by a twenty three year long war. But ultimately, it was Rome’s all or nothing approach to war that secured them victory and hegemony over the entire Mediterranean world.
Listening to you guys talk about this is probably my favorite content from both you and Sargon. AND it’s about my favorite time period.... just brilliant haha
Thank you. Thank you very much. I really apprecaite the comment :-)
Would love to see some of our senators on the frontline. If only Hannibal had a baggage train big enough to transfer the dead romans back to Rome, they might got intimidated enough to give up.
The reason Rome admitted Hanibals brilliance was because, if Hanibal was so good how much better is Rome for "defeating" him lol
I think that is a massive part of it, uhuh.
This was incredibly inspiring from a story telling perspective.
Thank you for sharing.
Martin Scorsese's 'Roman Bull'.
"Ya never got me down, Barca!"
Hannibal: Be right back boys, gotta take a piss.
Sargon: What did Hannibal mean by this???
LOVED Sargon's Boomer moment. You can almost hear the crickets when you're waiting for him to get the Mcgyver reference.
Haha, it is always a risk to reference something obscure.
@@derk3933 Stargate?... I never watch much of that... Not sure why. I really liked the original film.
Even before Hannibal's final battle, there were times where he was defeated, or at least forced to retreat. For example, he failed to conquer the city of Nola defended by Marcus Claudius Marcellus. He tried to capture it three times, and each time hew was repelled (The First, Second and Third Battle of Nola). This was a minor victory in a grand scheme of things, but it helped Romans recover their morale, showing that Hannibal can be defeated.
Great comment. Yes. Totally right... I would have liked to have gone into Marcellus more. Could do an hour on Marcellus alone. Masively underrated guy I reckon.
Really enjoyed this. Looking forward to part 2.
Cheers. Working on it, buddy, working on it :-)
Yes Yes, History Boy!!!!! I'll be checking this tomorrow! Big big love to you and to Sargon for joining you.
Big John; how are ya brother?
Much love as always, hope you enjoy.
@@HistoryBro All kool brother! Fantastic to see your channel growing and I see you most mornings on Dangers channel. Was funny seeing you on there - you look exactly as I imagined lol. Big love, brother!
This is top quality content lads.
It's great because it's not like most historical wars, where one side at a clear advantage is just bullying another, or it's a smaller more military sounded nation pushing the dead weight over a hill of a larger nation .
Carthage/Rome had a King Kong vs Godzilla feel about it.
Ha, yeah. A real ding-dong back and forth.
I can't believe the Romans had the Gaul to stake a claim in Iberia. How presumptuous indeed.
Pretty rude of them, huh.
Did they Vandalize anything? ;)
Aw yiss, I love these videos you do with Sargon. Please, do as many as you'd like on any ancient character and we'll devour it
Thank you very much for the kind comment.
It still kinda blows my mind people dig it as much as they do. I'm flattered. :-)
Really enjoyable, love Sargon’s normal stuff, but his history stuff is gold...
Thank you.
This and Dan Carlin are better than college history.
Youtubbe is the shit on history
Very kind. I'm very flattered. Thank you.
@@HistoryBro MOAR HANNIBAL!!!!! MOAR MACGYVER!
Good call. And you won't be force fed Marxist ideology and robbed blind.
Lovely stuff fellas, thank you
Thank YOU
you need to get history bro into your new media venture sargon]
Love every one of these you do with Sargon ( Carl ). Fantastic moments in history that you pick , keep these up , I don't want them to end!
Thank you so much. So glad people like these. :-)
@Danny M I Concur
@Danny M Cheers Danny. I really, really apprecate your support.
@@TitusManliusTorquatus89 Cheers Sam!
Recommend watching HistoryMarche Playlist on Hannibal. Moreover, the battle of Cannae will be uploaded in full by end of this week (40min.) I loved their excellent Caesar's Civil War (1 1/2 hr!!!).
History Marche is a great channel for sure. Wish I had fancy graphics like they have.
THIS IS SO AWESOME!!
Cheers matey!
Can't wait for part 2. Awesome as usual!!!!!
Many thanks!
I just found you guys, very entertaining . I do like how you guys go back and fourth with each other, but maybe have some notes ready for parts of the story you dont quite remember. Think it would help you guys out. Ill be listening to more. Thx for the content
Cheers for the comment... I actually do make a fair amount of notes for these. I have all the books in front of me, corners of pages turned for the quotes I'm gonna use, etc. :-( Even with all that, and having been reading about it for years and years, still, still it's difficult to remember everything that's worth saying. Even given five hours to do so.
@@HistoryBro understandable, there is sooo much information. Love the style , feels like iam sitting with my mates chatting history. Keep up the awesome content :)
Great content! Please do more!
I always find it strange how whenever you look at these major historical wars it’s always one group or state that basically carries their faction.
Russell Brand knows more than I thought he did on ancient Rome!
Haha
this comes out the day after voices from the past releases a video on the carthaginians encountering gorillas. Coincidence? I think not
Lol. This was recorded over a week ago, though. So, I can only imagine that the Voices of the Past boyz hacked me and/or Carl, and gazumped us on the scoop... Bit rude, really.
@@HistoryBro to be fair Sargon mentioned it in passing a while ago lol
Ooooh baby time to envelope a larger army by a smaller army
Noice! Just in time for my morning shift
The cattle torch decoy is believable. General Washington used similar tactics during the "silent retreat" from long island if I remember correctly. Using fake camp fires and decoys to give the impression at a distance that the lines were still manned while they were actually abandoned.
I believe they also used cut out shaped manican like decoys in Boston to give the impression a guard post was still manned while the actual unit snuck onto Bunker hill and prepared the cannons that were smuggled in by Knox from Ticonderoga, so when the sun came up it was as if they teleported to the high ground and magically spawned cannons that could reach the Brittish fleet docked in the harbor causing them to withdraw.
Touchey subject lads, no hard feelings. Just examples of this tactic at work perhaps inspired by Hannibal.
Hi Ryan, thanks for the comment. You're right, of course. The tactic of making loads of camp fires in the night to give the impression an army is somewhere different to where it actaully is, is not uncommon. There are lots and lots of examples of it... The thing which makes the Hannibal episode a bit less believable (to my mind, anyway) is that it relied on cattle not being spooked by fire brands being attached to their horns. Apparently only protesting once their horns were "burnt down to the quick." That just seems unlikely to me. Possible, I guess, but something feels exaggerated about it, at the least.
Agree with Sargon, great as Alexander was, Hannibal is the greater battlefield general. Alexander is the greater strategist.
The great thing about the second punic war is that whenever Hannibal beats the Romans, they get about 50% angrier.
You wouldn't like the Romans when they're angry. lol
hilarious whenever Sargon kept making cracks at Alexander. I do wholeheartedly agree though that while Alexander was a great general, he has been vastly overrated. Hannibal was a better commander when you look at the enemy and circumstances he faced compared to Alexander.
Ha, yeah, I thought his digs at Alexander were quite amusing.
I know this is late but I really think the toga story makes sense from the thought of politican in Carthage. "We are not phased by you and we will beat you. We do not fear your might, drop whatever side you so wish." is the feeling i get.
Also the joke with gisco makes sense to me. Its quite a encouraging and piss taking joke. Its not cryptic sargon and its deeper with meaning of being "No man there is like you and at i am not phased by them."
YEEEEES! Been waiting for this one for forever!
Gap was a bit long, huh. Hopefully the next one won't be such a long wait.
This content is amazing. Keep it coming!
Thank you, Sir. Thank you
The McGyver part made me laugh.
:-)
The encouragement of adoption of Roman culture in the provinces was (as far as I know) a later development, they fought a huge civil war in Italy in the following century following the punic wars, that Italian civil war was all about roman citizenship and enfranchisement, Latin rights status, and a lot of it was about the sheer amount of troops the Romans demand was very high, and since armies where privately funded this was crippling to the Italian states. But it gave us the rise of the ultimate Roman Chad, Sulla lol
Sulla fan, eh. Noice. We'll be covering that in a couple of conversations time; hopefully.
Sunday afternoon history! Perfect
Safe. I got this. I got you, Bro.
@@HistoryBro safe safe safe my g
I never realized that Sargon was QUITE so well versed in the history of antiquity. Very impressive, my emperor, especially given that Rome existed over two millenia later! But thank God the 'Total War' series existed even back then.
It's facile to make unsupported generalizations-might you provide a specific instance, Emily?
On the positive side I know hundreds of examples where Sargon is right, but, being that I'm a strict libertarian, his only political weaknesses are in (apparently) a) being for gun control and b) nationalized medicine/health care, which are typical English theoretical weaknesses.
So, MGTOW Slayer, time to prove your claims or go the unlamented way of your feminist sisters...
Good to see you and sargon getting back on the Mediterranean horse again.
Yep, might be doing the Gracchi brothers next. Should be good.
History Bro I don't believe i have heard of the garcchi brothers, this will be interesting.
No wonder Hannibal was tethered to and felt allegiance to the Carthage. How would you feel, knowing of Carthage's culture and level of technology, when all you see is the Spanish, the French and possibly what might once be the Scots and Irish?
amazing as always! could we please have a stalin series in a similar vein to the mao one?
Bro... No way you just requested that. Bro, I'm way out ahead of ya. I've recorded a couple of hours on exactly that. Haven't made full videos out of them yet. I kinda have them in my back pocket, so to speak. For a rainy day. Er, or something... But I could/should make them into videos... I will do... I will do.
you're the youtuber we need, not the one we deserve
a series on the Australian politician Jack Lang would also suit your format quite well
@@MrL4ngy Too kind, old boy, too kind :-)
@@MrL4ngy I'm sorry, I don't know this Jack Lang. Just did a quick search. Interesting. Think Stalin with remain ahead of him in the list though, lol.
Ah yes. I live for these.
Cheers man. Hope you enjoyed it. :-)
Love your collaborations with Sargon
Yessss this is great content thank you
Thank YOU
Great stuff
Thank you
40:00 - Rome had a regional ally that had been at odds with the Phoenicians in Iberia since its very foundation: MASSALIA (Marseilles), which in turn had several colonies just by the Pyrenees (Rhodes and Emporion, modern Roses and Ampuries) and maybe even a colony further south (but not clear). You're talking about Carthage and Rome as if they existed in a vacuum and not be the upstart hegemons intruding into a context of colonization and conflicts that had been going on for several centuries, even a thousand years if we count from the Italo-Celtic invasions of the late Bronze Age.
In any case, when Marseilles was founded c. 600 BCE, it seems it quickly established alliance with the native Iberian city states (not "tribes") and helped them to liberate Catalonia and Languedoc from Celtic control (c. 590 BCE per archaeology). The Phocaean narration on Tartessos confirms this extremly welcoming disposition from the Iberians towards the Greeks, which they surely saw as a counterweight to the Phoenicians (main city being Gadir, modern Cádiz, founded surely in the early 8th century BCE, along with Utica in Tunisia, the two oldest Tyrian colonies ever). In response it seems that, soon afterwards, the Phoenicians destroyed Tartessos (or so they claimed, the city remains unlocated to this day but it was probably in or near modern Seville).
So in the treaties after the First Punic War, Rome established clearly two things other than annexing the Central Mediterranean islands: Roman naval superiority and a protectorate over Maresilles and its area of influence, with the Ebro (Iber or Ibar, meaning literally "river bank" in Basque and surely in Iberian as well, root of the Greek regional term Iberia). This also explains the hopes of Saguntum, a major Iberian city state, of keeping its self-rule by siding with Rome. Not only Marseilles was a major hub for Roman operations in the West, Tarraco, another Iberian city, soon became one as well and it seems to me that at least a sizable number of Iberian city-states defected to Rome as soon as Scipio was around with his army.
While it'd be incorrect to say that all Iberians were in favor of Rome or all Celts in favor of Carthage, there's probably some of that tendency: in general Celts tended to side with Carthage, while at least many Iberian polities did prefer Rome instead.
Great video and I loved the DrDisrespect lines!
We're slicin' 'em up!... Let's go baby! Ye ye ye ye ye ye ye.
Sargon not knowing who macgyver is is peak Boomer. ;)
Loved a wee bit o' MacGyver when I was a kid, me... I was always jealous of the chinese kid in The Goonies with all the gadgets... True story.
I've been waiting for this...
You're welcome
26 is full grown by the standards of all but 26 year olds.
Its great to see Sargon doing this kind of content with you. Would love to see some more audiobooks from the Roman period from him on his Ancient Recitations channel.
Thank you... That ancient recitations channel was excellent, I thought.
Literally the most fun I have on CZcams
Bosh! Lovely!
I want to hear you guys chat about the Selucid Empire. Especially about Selucus and Antiocus III.
We talked a little bit (not enough, really) about Selucus and Antiocus III in the Pyrrhus one... I know Carl loves the diadochi though. Maybe one day we'll go back and look at them in detail. I'd certainly be happy to do that.
@@HistoryBro I'll listen to the Pyrrhus one too, but it seems so hard to find information about the Selucid Empire on YT, so it seems mysterious to me.
I think a lot of the units hannibal lost crossing the apls were more supply or worker units assisting the troops crossing. If the journey was that harsh they lost that many troops you wouldnt think theyd be in fighting shape after the crossing, but they arrived in seemingly very good shape ready to fight.
Quite possibly. The original sources don't seem to go into fantastic detail about that specific point. It's a reasonable thing to conclude though. :-)
Ive always wondered how much the crossing aspect may of been overly glorified or exaggerated by history or by the romans since they had a tendancy to exaggerate a lot. As you hinted at crossing wasnt exactly un heard of, although hard I'm sure. May of just been surprising for an invading army to start a winter campaign, but that doesnt make as good of story or good of reason to lose.