The Expanse Season 5 Book To Show Changes | Nemesis Games Breakdown
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The Expanse Season 5 Book to Show. How Nemesis Games was adapted for the fifth season, and some of the major changes. Please subscribe! - bit.ly/PetePeppers
Season 5 of the Expanse is an adaptation of the fifth book in the Expanse series “Nemesis Games”. This video breaks down the differences between the book and the show, and discusses what changes were improvements. Nemesis Games is the first time the crew were separated since they salvaged the Roci, and we got our point of view chapters from Amos, Naomi, and Alex. This gave us more insight into how the characters think, and helped us learn more about the secrets in their pasts.
The ending of season 5 lines up with the ending of the fifth book. The Free Navy have taken control of the Ring Space and Medina station, and the Inner Planets’s hold on the system is deeply diminished. Earth is still recovering from the asteroid attacks, and Mars just lost a large portion of their Navy who defected through the Laconia Gate.
Some of the major changes from book to show are that Alex Kamal died in episode 10. Alex is still alive in the books. Drummer was involved in most of the season even though the character Michio Pa doesn’t return until the sixth book. Alex meets with Sauveterre rather than Duarte on Mars. Monica brought information to Holden about ships going Dutchman while transiting the rings, and Fred Johnson dies during the attack on Tycho.
There are also several changes in the Free Navy story in season 5 when compared to Nemesis Games. Marco and Filip were introduced in season 4, and their plan to throw asteroids at Earth was revealed. This was a total surprise when the first rock hit in the books. In the show Filip decided to kidnap Naomi, while in the book it was Marco’s plan. Also when Naomi went to see him she didn’t tell Holden where she was going or what she was doing.
In the season 5 finale Marco and his fleet had a decisive victory in the battle for the Sol Ring Gate. With a coordinated attack that involved Sauveterre’s breakaway Martian fleet, and control of Medina station the Free Navy was able to dominate the Outer Planets. Sauveterre and the other Martian ships transited the Laconia Ring, and the protomolecule had already been delivered to Laconia.The Barkeith disappeared when it tried to transit the ring.
Let us know what theories you have about season 6, and how you think his story will end. If you’ve read ahead in the book series, please make sure to mark any book spoilers when you comment.
This Expanse season 5 and Nemesis Games video explains everything you need to know about the book to show changes. It explains what the characters are doing and what it means for the rest of the season.
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0:00 Intro/Nemesis Games Alex
0:58 The challenge of Nemesis Games
1:42 Alex and Amos
3:14 Naomi and Holden
4:57 Marco Filip and the Free Navy
6:27 Holden and Monica
6:54 Fred Johnson and the Martian Prime Minister
8:49 Alex’s Ending
10:56 Drummer
11:52 Minor Changes
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Let me know which changes from Nemesis Games you liked, and which ones didn't work for you. Still planning on doing a season 6 preview video with book discussion some time this week. If you have input for that make sure you mark any book spoilers.
I didn't unlike the changes, you can't put everything in the show. I thought all the decisions to cut and blend sections made sense. The only thing I ended up not liking was the introduction of another UN secretary (at least he wasn't former education secretary- writers may be Galactica fans) and the kill the belters sub plot. The heroic death for Alex was a solid choice in an otherwise bad situation.
Paster felt pretty unnecessary. I guess he's there to show Avasarala's evolution as a character, but he just sort of came and went.
Umm Alex, that is some BULLSHIT lol
Bull. He was pretty cool in the book.. pretty different story here on the show.
"Alex is the glue that keeps the crew together." You hit the nail right on the head, Pete, and me right in the feels...
You bet. Alex is, “ Is the glue that keeps the crew together.”
Lasagna time.
This is the only channel for which I've ever wanted notifications. Another great vid, Pete.
Thanks, enjoy.
I started this whole ride by reading the books and was so excited when the show was announced. I can honestly say that The Expanse is one of the blue-moon-rare occasions when adaptation is complimentary and satisfying even with divergence from the original story.
So far it's every bit as good as Game of Thrones and with Ty and Daniel so involved I don't fear the same fumble and failure that GoT suffered.
I've been a hardcore sci-fi fan since I was a kid, (born of Star Trek) and The Expanse blows everything out the airlock. It is sheer excellence and I'm so grateful to have found it and had the pleasure of getting on at the ground floor to see it succeed and garner such a wonderful community of fans.
Thank you again Pete for loving the show so much and making these incredible videos in service of the fandom. You make my favourite saga BIGGER and more tangible and I hope it brings you great success for all your passion.
Totally agreed. I feel the actors do a great job to show us more emotions that sometimes the book may glaze over. I loved the EP when Bobbie saves Naomi. And with Amos you get more info about he’s back stores in the book. But to see Amos with Eric at the moon base. That was a better good bye then the book lol. I loved the bottle slowly dropping.
@@albertl6286 I couldn’t agree more with you.
@@garlandremingtoniii4679 thx
So say we all
I love Pilot characters like Alex. That's a reason for me to grab the books to see how his story continues but its a real shame for the show.
Yet again, you’ve somehow made me love this show more. Thank you. You’re by-far the best at these and it’s the only channel I’ve subscribed to because of the Expanse. Happy Valentine’s Day! 💕 😘
Thanks for contributing to the conversation throughout the season!
Since I didn't knew about the situation of Alex's actor, his death in the series took me by surprise but thought it fit the story well. All the time through the season you see damocles dagger hanging on top of every1 of the crew in one way or another and just when everybody seems safe Alex bites the dust from all that high g maneuvering. And his last line seems like he had no regrets at the end. To me it fits the story. Makes the expanse world all that much dangerous and raises the stakes. I'm looking forward to peaches doing something awesome now.
“I won’t spoil anything past Nemesis Games.”
“Fred Johnson does die in the books but it happens later.”
Uh, thanks
PETE (screaming). Keep em coming my guy.
Which Pete did other videos on other shows
I'll be looking into new ones this week. Not sure what to do next.
@@PetePeppers1 there is a crazy show on HBO 30 coins that has some great twists that I would like your feed back
Nothing to add. Just wanted to say, thanks for the upload and keep up the great work!
It is a lot easier to accept changes from a book(s) when the writers of the books are on board with the changes. In 2001 Arthur C Clarke originally had the Discovery go to Saturn but he agreed with the script writers that Jupiter made more sense.
Excellent video, Pete. I am an avid reader of the books as well (or listener to, on audio) just starting on my third run through of the first 5 books and into the second run through of books 6-8, in anticipation of the final book in October, which can't come soon enough. This was a great refresher, and I agree with you completely on your thoughts on the book to show adaptation. I was discussing with my wife just the other day how difficult it must've been to put this show on the screen because how much of the story was told from the perspectives of the characters, especially with respect to Naomi because she didn't exactly have anyone to discuss her plans of escape with; it was all internal dialogue. I use the example of the needle Naomi injects herself with after she jumps out into the vacuum of space; there's really no way for her to tell the audience what exacly that is, though I'm sure many can guess as to what it is.
I think my least favorite change (besides them killing off Alex, which is a bummer but I understand why it had to happen) is one you pointed out, that they didn't seem to make as big of a deal of the asteroid strike with respect to the sheer quantity of the deaths as a result of the strike.
I liked the scene where Naomi jumps ships, I was really excited to see how they shot that scene. Watching the side of her face closest to the sun burn and her skin freeze, the fact that you see she lets all the air out of her lungs before she opens the airlock, and her desparation as she opens the airlock into the Chetzemoka (I remember in the book that she had some sort of tool that let her open the airlock quickly, but I can't recall exactly). Either way, I thought they did that very well.
Awesome video. I liked the breakdown you did about show/book Drummer, Bull, and Michio. In my reading, Bull was my fave. Then in the show, Drummer became my number 1! Now, I’ve got them both and I couldn’t be more happy with their adaptation.
Shows almost always have to hold back on the worse and consolidate on some characters. I am on my way to the books. It looks like a rich world indeed.
Dude you rock You know how to keep engagement with a awesome show/books alive. Not that it was in jeporady with me, but nothing feels reheated. Thanks. Man! Stay safe
Great analysis!
This was perfect as always 🖤
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great breakdown, thanks!
That's exactly what I needed. Thank you sir
Awesome video
Thank you for that vid and time you put to make it. Now I can blast of with books 6 -8 !
You mention the idea of Holden hiring more crew. But, where would the money come from? Do the books explain who is paying Holden and crew? They seem to have quite a bit of money, but none of them actually have paying jobs that I can see.
Having a gunship in the Belt turns out to be a lucrative niche. In the show they got paid a lot from the UN to go to Ilus. Most of the time when their doing work for the OPA or private corporate happens in between the events in the series, but there are several mentions of them being flush with cash from the work. If they didn't continually smash up the Roci they'd be doing even better, but Fred helps them out with that on Tycho.
@@PetePeppers1 thanks that was a burning question on the back of my mind.
Still like this video and wish for more at least in the lineup to the release of the new season
great video
13:39 Indeed!
PS: as usual, thank you for sharing your passion w/ the rest of us and enriching my Expanse experience in the process. Looking forward to the next video \m/
You're welcome! Going back to weekly release made this a lot of fun.
Great video...thank you Pete....always enjoy your insights. :)
Thanks for watching.
Instead of thinking of show-Drummer as the character that absorbed characters from the book, I've always thought of her as book-Michio, who absorbed a bunch of characters, including Drummer. I'm not sure if other book readers feel the same.
That's a way to look at it. I do think we're heading for a divergence in season 6 where the Michio character will absorb another.
I haven't read the books but after season 5 I'm starting to read Babylon's Ashes and this video is the perfect preparation
I think I'll be doing a book reader discussion on Babylon's Ashes next week.
@@PetePeppers1 Then I’ll have to hurry up finishing the book 😂
great video man.
I must say that im quite happy with the adaptations, maybe just a little more of explanation on why Amos and Alex went on their paths although on the way it was presented I sense a lot the void that Holden felt. And after Cas behavior im sure that it was the best way to address the problem; he couldn't be part of the cast anymore and recast him would be awful.
Yes, most of the changes are medium related. The first time I read NG the rocks dropping came out of nowhere, and it was such a memorable moment. Without having Naomi’s thoughts to introduce Marco to us it wouldn't have worked the same on screen.
I really liked how Cas Anvar portrayed Alex Kamal, it's unfortunate that things turned out the way it did. It's really not about the what important part he may play in upcoming stories but more of the dynamics of the crew. That's something all of us unfortunately will not get to see.
If they ever get to adapt the final trilogy there will be moments where that will sting.
@@PetePeppers1 yeah wish the actor could just behave ( what he did was wrong) But maybe they will use someone else to support that roll.
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I was so looking forward Bobby and Alex friendship on book 8... I love that part of the book. When he saw her as an angel going towards the big ass ship.
Hey Pete! What was that promo code for Skill Share? I can't find the video in which you mentioned it. 🤦♂️
Here's the link skl.sh/petepeppers02211
It's in the first line of the video description as well.
I've never read the books but I have been a fan of the show since 2018. As I mentioned in a previous video you posted, I was disappointed by the finale after the reuniting of the Rossi crew. It was like they sliced two shows together and the second half was just a bunch of filler. The re-shoot was so obvious with freezing the frame and adding cgi blood around Alex, then the exposition to explain his death. Of course that part was not their fault, with the firing of Cas Anvar they had to find a way to remove him from the series
I wonder why they couldn't have just recast the role of Alex, like they did with Chrisjen Avasarala's husband in Season 4. Personally I thought the way he was written out, was a bit lame.
Honestly this is the only channel for the expanse besides Amazon 🤣🤣😩😩
Glad to be in that conversation.
@@PetePeppers1 I definitely look forward to all of your videos on the expanse. Thank you
I !oved the book,they completely shit the bed this season.
I was wondering why they would kill off Alex in the way that Fred died. Didn't know about that actors cruddy behavior. Sad
Yep.
This season started good but went nowhere in the end.
I'll keep to the books from now on.
A great season...too bad it's over already. I want to go back and stream the entire series from the beginning even though I've seen them all. Still , my life has been a whirlwind for 5 years...
So I know I missed things watching the show...sitting there watching - but not REALLY being there Mentally....trying to concentrate on the show. But with other shit playing in the background. So it's definitely something I need to watch again.
I read the first book after watching the first three series. It's certainly fun to read, but I don't really want to read the others. What stands out for me is that Ty and the other writer seem comfortable letting other writers riff off their work and improve it. Naomi's character is much more solid in the show for example. I wonder if that's because it was written by two people in the first place.
Ty and Dan are actually lead credited writers on almost every episode of the show so far; it's more like they are just continuing to work on their own stories.
47 billion dead dam read the book but didn't know that. How many people where on the planet. Like population now is 10 billion maybe
4-7 billion dead. I think there's 30 billion total on Earth.
@@PetePeppers1 okay that makes more sense lol.
@@PetePeppers1 That's only initial casualties. Later it was much worse. IIRC ~2/3 of Earth's population died. From the PoV of the book asteroids in the show are non event. Considering there'll be no real ecological disaster and ecosystem collapse some decisions (Eg for Eric to leave Earth) didn't make much sense.
4-7 billion was the last estimate in Nemesis Games as far as I recall. Things didn't really start to compound until BA.
@@PetePeppers1 that's what I meant with initial casualties. In the books IIRC it was clear from the beginning impact events would cause never before seen disaster. Three rocks in the show didn't release nearly enough energy to cause anything close to what's described in the books.
Hey Star Wars, take note of how to write a character out of the story.
... SW could learn a lot more than that from the Expanse. Not the least of which is diversity done right. I mean - there's' like two white guys on the whole cast, and you don't see anyone getting upset over it.
Great video, as always.
To me, Nemesis Games is definitely better than season 5 and it's actually the first time that I prefer the book to the show by such a large margin.
In my opinion, season one and two are as good as the books (different in many aspects, but good), season three is better than the book and season four has some elements that are better in the book and some that I like more in the show.
I'm curious and a bit scared about season six (it's GoT fault, damn it), but I'm definitely looking forward to it!
I think season 6 will be enjoyable, but also sad knowing where the story goes after that. I expect the discourse might get ugly, that seems to be the norm for most things these days. Some fans will be angry when they don't get answers to everything.
@@PetePeppers1 Damn, I didn't even think about that! Maybe because I kinda love when the endings are left somehow "open" (the ending of season three was a great example)... But you're right, there will be people that will want an answer to *everything* and I honestly don't see how the writers could do it (without spectacularly fucking things up).
Still, maybe it'll be a good motivation to bring the last three books to the screen!
If it makes you feel better, look at shows like Justified or The Americans. They only had six seasons and their final seasons were fantastic.
Naren, Ty, and Daniel should just deliver the story they want to tell. They've been doing a great job thus far. Some people will always complain.
@@PetePeppers1 Couldn't have said it better myself. I've grown so tired of people trying to tell show runners/writers/creators how they want their story told. Like you said Naren, Ty and Daniel have done an amazing job.
Wow i didnt know the thing with Alex's actor, now I'm worried that theyll have to change too much and fumble it, I cant imagine Alex didn't have a serious role to play down the line if he is still alive in the books. Maybe a re-cast would have been better? jarring for sure but if the actor was good wed have gotten used to it after a few episodes. Idk, I just hope they don't pull a GOT if they stray too far from source.
Alex plays a part in the dynamic of the crew, but most of what he does is in service to other character's stories. He'll be missed, but his absence won't affect the direction of the story.
I think Alex’s death will impact Bobbie’s character the most. They became besties, and I feel her character will become more distant and conflicted with the Mars breakaway fleet as a result.
@@PetePeppers1 That's reassuring, thanks.
Love your breakdowns btw, and I really appreciate the way you are careful with future book spoilers, thanks.
@@ronondechek14 You know that reminds me that in the episode the next scene we see Bobbie after Alex's death it was really weird to me that she was just fine, even made a small joke if I remember correctly. I was expecting her to be devastated, or something, it was very weird to me that it was just a normal scene.
@@SamAsMe I agree. Don’t think Bobbie and Alex had enough time to gel in the tv series. You can tell Alex’s death was premature and an add-in, but did the best they could given their decision to kill him off was after the initial shoot.
Bobbie is also a hard person to get to know and Alex’s calm and easy going demeanor was like the only character that could be close friends with Bobbie. Will be interesting to see where they take this. The writers have been awesome so far. I hope they can do this right in Series 6 and not make things awkward. Hopefully they will adapt well.
I'm re-watching the whole series AND re-reading the books. I noticed that the show greatly downplayed the number of casualties on Eros Station in the first and second seasons. In the books a million and a half people live there; in the show, only 100,000. Downscaling the amount of sheer human carnage seems to be a conscious policy. Sparing the tender sensibilities of TV viewers, I guess.
This analysis makes no sense. TV shows tend to raise the drama because destruction plays well on TV and everybody likes to be 'shocked' by gratuitous violence. My bet is they wanted the casualties to matter more. When you start throwing out 'millions dead' every time something happens it really starts to lose its impact on the viewer. It's as true on TV as it is in real life.
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I find it amusing that they have a man, who’s almost the same age as his parents 😂 playing his son. They all look the same age. Lol!
This was my least favorite book because I feel like it didn't move the story forward. The show did a great job of creating action and plot from the character development in the book. I am looking forward to season 6!
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5 accidental downvotes I reckon.
"Fred Johnson still dies, but that's later in the story". Thnx for the spoiler
No problem.
@@PetePeppers1 He, he.