Nemesis Games: The Expanse Season 5 vs the Books

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    What cool stuff happens in The Expanse Book 5 that wasn’t included in Season 5? How are Holden, Fred, Alex, Naomi and Amos’ stories different?
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    1:30 Holden
    4:08 Fred
    05:39 Alex
    08:02 Naomi
    11:49 Amos
    16:34 Change

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  • Alt Shift X
    Alt Shift X  Před 2 lety +35

    More Alt Shift X Expanse videos!
    The Expanse Season 5 Explained:
    The Expanse S5E01 Explained:
    The Expanse S1-S4 recap:

    • Kjell Beilman
      Kjell Beilman Před 2 lety +4

      I know I am greedy, but more The Expanse please...
      Love your work Thank you

    • Zenifi
      Zenifi Před 2 lety +1

      @Kjell Beilman Am I greedy as well? I would love full on book spoiler videos from Alt Shift X. Neeeeeed. Moreeeeeeee

    • Brady Talon
      Brady Talon Před 2 lety

      a tip : you can watch series at Kaldrostream. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies recently.

    • Magnus Oliver
      Magnus Oliver Před 2 lety

      @Brady Talon Yup, have been watching on KaldroStream for months myself :D

  • Timothy Rosko
    Timothy Rosko Před 2 lety +385

    The casting for Filip blows my mind, he genuinely looks like the child of those actors

    • Sam lycan
      Sam lycan Před 2 lety +41

      especially naomi . they look so much alike

    • Daniel Chen
      Daniel Chen Před 2 lety +30

      I was gonna say especially marcos haha

    • Nox Howl
      Nox Howl Před 2 lety +8

      I think the production put the photos of the actors in an app - and used to cast this actor - cause it's really is the "son" of both of them haha

    • Michael Salmon
      Michael Salmon Před 2 lety

      i know right?????? haha im glad i wasnt the only one who saw this

    • Average Alien
      Average Alien Před rokem +4

      Same with young amos

  • Reedstilt
    Reedstilt Před 2 lety +365

    One correction: The people Bobbie saw living in poverty in Season 2 aren't people living on Basic. They're undocumented peoples who don't get Basic. They're the sort of people that Anna's clinic helps out in the show.

    • David Bailey
      David Bailey Před 2 lety +23

      I really don't know anything about the books but didn't the black guy that she met say that he was on the list to become a doctor. how is he undocumented? Or was this something that the show added and is confusing me

    • Reedstilt
      Reedstilt Před 2 lety +43

      @David Bailey He's the exception. He didn't get into the work programs so he's trying to help out where he can.
      People on Basic are like Lydia and her husband (though they had some extra help from Erich to provide their home).

    • Dennis Stolwijk
      Dennis Stolwijk Před 2 lety +34

      Bobbie's perspective on how people on Earth are also changes when she goes out of the UN complex in The Hague at some point at she goes and get herself a cup of coffee. Here she meets a young barrista who explains she is working hard at that job to score some sort of points that will later allow her into an educational program! That too changes her view on Earther as lazy bums who hold up theirs hands (basic takers) which mostly turn out to be people who WANT to work and mean/do something, but can't because there aren't enough jobs and positions free to do so.

    • justgivemethetruth
      justgivemethetruth Před 2 lety +3

      @Dennis Stolwijk
      It just seems like a lack of imagination in writing to think these problems we have today will still exist in the same form in 400 years - when there are resources coming in from the asteroid belt and lots of energy and space travel,

    • laxjoh
      laxjoh Před 2 lety +23

      @justgivemethetruth It's not a lack of imagination. If you look at the reasons they rationalize how the world's socioeconomic issues/hierarchies are written in the Expanse, it's the most creative thing ever. Adding in fake fantasy elements to it doesn't make it more creative and saying they just magically solved world hunger/war/poverty and created some Federation where humans are close to as perfect as can be is even less imaginative IMO and Star Trek has a lot of creativity in it.
      These same problems that exist today and hundreds of years into the future exist for different reasons and it shows that it's likely a permanent issue with humanity as a whole and potentially other intelligent species who use war and violence to settle differences and to gain advantage on their opponents.
      The Expanse is largely more about paradigm shifts than it is about alien threat or space battles.

  • steelrat1994
    steelrat1994 Před 2 lety +83

    How could you miss the part that it wasn't Phiiip who decided to bring Naomi along. Marco decided that and baited Naomi using Philip. It wasn't because she was trying to find him. It was because when her son called out to her for help after all those years, she couldn't abandon him again.
    And Marco did it just to satisfy his ego and have her as a trophy. And he could give less shit about how that makes Philip feel. Honestly those two characters are brilliantly done in the books.

  • 🌈Alexlaza
    🌈Alexlaza Před 2 lety +25

    I really don't like how Fred Johnson died in this season. A badass tough guy like him should not die that easy.

    • fate testarossa
      fate testarossa Před 2 lety

      : (((((

    • Ribhu Hooja
      Ribhu Hooja Před 2 lety +6

      I haven't read the books, but I _am_ spoiled about Fred's fate in the books, and imo it's kinda better (what happened in the show)

    • Neil Gupta
      Neil Gupta Před 9 měsíci +3

      Badass toughness won't stop a bullet though

  • jadknew
    jadknew Před 2 lety +104

    Seeing the Barkeith go dutchman, Laconia AND the orbital platforms in the final episode was an absolute joy! I really hope the books get a movie adaptation for the Laconia Arc.

    • Tarn 113
      Tarn 113 Před 2 lety +7

      While I share the hope the story will continue, movies are too short to tell that storyline. If they did movie / tv show hybrid, that may work. What I mean by that is tv show for the smaller moments a character story arcs, while movies fir the big battles or action scenes. Amazon keeps trying to make and have movies that are accepted by awards places, so that may be an avenue to get there.

    • aymen daadaa
      aymen daadaa Před 2 lety

      wait season 6 wont cover laconia arc ?

    • Past Life
      Past Life Před 2 lety

      @aymen daadaa They must be, surely?!

    • no2party
      no2party Před 2 lety +25

      @aymen daadaa they can't. Laconia covers three books. If they tried that they'd Game of Thrones the series.

    • Dennis Stolwijk
      Dennis Stolwijk Před 2 lety +10

      You have never noticed how the ring gate for Laconia was specifically labeled as such in the opening credits the whole season already? :P
      Anyway, season 6 really shouldn't be about Laconia at all really. It has to deal with wrapping up the conflict between Earth/Mars and the Free Navy! Laconia mentioned in the finale of season 5 that they mined their end of the ring! In the books they also state that anybody passing through would be met with violence.
      Spoiler: It isn't until like 14-15 years after the end of the war with Inaros that they suddenly emerge again and shit hits the fan.

  • Psychonaut 59
    Psychonaut 59 Před 2 lety +88

    I was intrigued by the fact that, after opening a gate to other systems and going to new worlds, the story sort of reverted back to the whole Belters/Earthers political stuff, and the characters seemed to fold back into themselves, dealing with personal issues, their past, etc. Kept asking myself if this was how it played out in the books. Thanks for clearing that up!

    • Robert Winslade
      Robert Winslade Před 2 lety +38

      Personally I really like that the story goes in this direction. Cibola Burn/season 4 gives a taste of what must be happening with the colonisation of the new worlds; but so many sci-fi stories have covered that ground of exploring alien worlds in the past. I think it's far more interesting to explore how the opening of the ring gates alters the already tense political situation of the Sol system and the lives of the characters who live there. Plus for the first three books/seasons that politics and intrigue was the bread and butter of the story and Cibola Burn establishes that the peace between the factions is shaky at best; it makes no sense to throw that to the wayside not properly resolved in favour of exploring the alien worlds. The books do eventually get to deal far more with the worlds beyond the ring gates though; I really hope the show gets to adapt that part of the story.
      I understand why some people who might have expected the story to do something different may be thrown off by this choice though; it's certainly proved a contentious season and I think part of that is down to some people expecting more stuff to do with the aliens and the rings. Although I will admit it also has some pacing issues, I think that some of the people who feel disappointed may enjoy it more if they re-watch now knowing what to expect

    • Jatzi 1
      Jatzi 1 Před 2 lety +7

      @Robert Winslade Well they didn't talk about it affected things. In the books the new worlds is why the Free Navy rises up, not the same old belter vs inners crap. In the show it's like they had all this cool ring stuff and then back to belters vs inners crap. There's a nice taste and now back to the same stuff in season 1

    • Robert Winslade
      Robert Winslade Před 2 lety +5

      @Jatzi 1 Season 5 for the most part very closely followed the book in regard to the extent to which the rings played a part in the plot; a few deviations arguably increasing their presence in the story. Seasons 4 and 5 both also made a point of establishing multiple times that Marco's plan is so popular among belters precisely because so many of them fear that the rings will make them and their culture obsolete, and that a key part of the plan is for Marco to seize control of the ring space

    • Jatzi 1
      Jatzi 1 Před 2 lety +2

      @Robert Winslade Eh I didnt see that. Seemed Marco was just saying the same stuff

    • Persona
      Persona Před 2 lety +1

      @Robert Winslade I don't recall hearing much of that in the show as well. Plenty of historical grievances, very little of fears of economic ruin. We do hear hints about people leaving Earth and Mars (especially Mars) in droves in the show, but Marco's speeches keep hammering on about the past, not future.

  • Comrade Commissar Yuri
    Comrade Commissar Yuri Před rokem +1

    Having Clarissa pop up like a Jack In a box to literally scare Alex to death would be hilarious

  • Dearyvette TN
    Dearyvette TN Před rokem +1

    You left out one more nickname Amos uses in the book for Avasarala. Her responses to being called “Chrissy” are absolutely hilarious 🤣

  • QuickFireGaming
    QuickFireGaming Před 2 lety +16

    Another difference is the Drummer storyline in this season. In the book she was assisting Fred with looking after Tycho. In the series, it appears that they are using her as a replacement for a major character that appears in the 6th book.

    • Eroshan Ratnayaka
      Eroshan Ratnayaka Před 2 lety +8

      MIchio Pa was always the more prominent character in books than drummer. Theyve combined both for the show and named her Drummer instead of Pa. But her story line is remarkably different from the books.

  • VHS__Tape
    VHS__Tape Před 2 lety +81

    Gutted we didn't get the Amos/ Chrissy interaction at the Luna docks, but overall loved this season

    • Kennia Soriano
      Kennia Soriano Před 2 lety

      are they together together in the books?

    • Herbert Schulz
      Herbert Schulz Před 2 lety

      @Kennia Soriano no but they flirt sometimes

    • Kennia Soriano
      Kennia Soriano Před 2 lety

      @Herbert Schulz update: I'm currently reading Book 7 so now I know 😂

  • Hassan Khan
    Hassan Khan Před 2 lety +6

    I'm going to miss Alex in the show. Having someone that looks like you in an amazing show like the expanse was amazing and the first I realised just how important representation is and good it is when it's done right.

  • DFK
    DFK Před 2 lety +4

    I truely don't understand how this episode could be so great and so terrible at the same time. That whole Naomi sequence when she jumps out was (litterally) breathtaking. Then a min later, the editor got fired or something, and passed Alex's death and Naomi's reunion with Jim like it was absolutely nothing. Cutting from Naomi in space with Bobbi, to Naomi already holding hands with Holden was the worst possible edit i've seen in this show. I'm now almost 90% sure that they edited an Alex scene like butchers to cast him out of the show. And all those fade to black, like 3/4 of them. I was constantly saying : "aaaand it's ove..r.....Oh. Nvm"
    Seriously they had really good material to have a truely solid finale here, but it was edited so poorly it turned into the messiest episode of the show to date.

    • LicoriceLain
      LicoriceLain Před 2 lety +3

      Blame the actor. If he had behaved up to this point, there would have been no need to carve Alex out of the series. Better this than Alex surviving and just not showing up at all next season.

  • Zorzek
    Zorzek Před 2 lety +128

    It would be great if you could do a recap/summary of all the books in the Expanse series :)

    • Bobby Hill
      Bobby Hill Před 2 lety +2


    • Zorzek
      Zorzek Před 2 lety +17

      @Bobby Hill Why not? He has done an explanation of the first book in the series, I bet many people would be interested in the rest of the books. Especially since the last book is coming out this year.

    • Bobby Hill
      Bobby Hill Před 2 lety +1

      @Zorzek nope.

    • KR4FT W3RK
      KR4FT W3RK Před 2 lety +1

      The plot twist is so mind-bending. You don't want it.

    • Mariana González-Prada
      Mariana González-Prada Před 2 lety

      @KR4FT W3RK Maybe the books that have already been adapted for the show?

  • Jeff Benefiel
    Jeff Benefiel Před 2 lety

    I think the only scene that I miss from the books that wasn't in series was when Amos and Clarissa show up on Luna in the stolen yacht and Avasarala recognizes her and says "get her off my moon!"

  • Scurvy McChisel
    Scurvy McChisel Před 2 lety +2

    The reason Cas Anvar (Alex) isn't returning and had his character killed off is because of allegations of sexual misconduct, an internal investigation was ordered and a private investigator hired to look into the matter. A thing of note is that the allegations and subsequent investigation came after principal filming meaning that Alex's death was likely a change made after the conclusion of the investigation, however no official comment has been made on the topic by all parties involved.

  • Widget
    Widget Před 2 lety +1

    Having read up to book 8, the ending of this season got me really excited to see what they've got in mind for season 6. Great summary you've got here, its been about a year since I read the books and I think they might be worth an extra read through.

  • Michael Ward
    Michael Ward Před 2 lety +1

    As someone who never comments on anything, I'm making an exception to say thank you for this very comprehensive and well made video. I bounce back and forth between the books and TV series and it's nice to have someone fill in a few of the holes in my Expanse knowledge.

  • Daddy Dagoth
    Daddy Dagoth Před 2 lety +125

    This season had good writing and everything but I wasn't a big fan. Past seasons felt like they went through half a season of events in a single episode. This felt the opposite it felt like they took 10 episodes to tell the events of 3 episodes

    • Jay Michael
      Jay Michael Před 2 lety +19

      Unfortunately, that’s the pace the book goes as well. Season 5 is a great adaptation of book 5, but the problem is books 5 and 6 are the slowest and most boring of the series ☹️.

    • Christopher Willis
      Christopher Willis Před 2 lety +25

      @Jay Michael Book 5 in particular, but it is also the most horrific so far in terms of the events of the universe. I always felt like the book wanted me to bask in the powerful terrible power of what has just transpired, billions of people are with that whole of human civilization.

    • Jay Michael
      Jay Michael Před 2 lety +15

      @Christopher Willis it’s horrific, but we don’t spend much time on earth apart from Amos/Clarissa/Anna. I found myself wanting to go back to Ilus or other planets like it to explore more about the ring builder killers. The belters turning into Jacobins with spaceships just felt pedestrian after the threat revealed in books 3 and 4.
      That’s not to say you don’t write the contents of books 5-6 (personally, I wish JSA Corey had condensed it into one longer book with about 20-25% less filler. You can address Inaros and set up Laconia for book 7 without so much fat.) It seems the correct sequence of events is off though because once you introduce the builder killers, you lower the stakes by going back to belt/planet grievances.
      I get that book 8 really ratchets things up with the PM killers (and I’d like book 7 more if 5-6 were condensed), but the show is suffering because the source material takes too long to get there. And I’m NEVER the guy that says source material needs to be written to cater to a potential or existing adaptation, but after the events of Cibola Burn, 5-7 is an utter slog in getting to the events of Tiamat’s Wrath.

    • Christopher Willis
      Christopher Willis Před 2 lety +6

      @Jay Michael For me, I guess that book felt the most human. Earlier ones were too, but there was less crazy alien shit going on and more crazy human shit. In that, it just felt more violating but I can understand why people thought the pace of it wasn't as fulfilling. Hell, I think this season of the show didn't REALLY hit home how much earth is fucked. The TV keeps talking about millions dead. Put B on there folks and make us really feel it!
      Maybe that is the odd part about this season. It feels like more has happened then the show really let us feel about it? Maybe that is what I liked about the books, I could live more in those moments, I felt very connected to everything going on, I def didn't feel as connected to this season. Like I didn't care about Drummers new Family at all, the choices there, I just didn't care. The book, maybe I felt that way a bit, too, but it hit a little more since we spend more time with them. I do miss the Anna character, too, she grew on me in both the show and the books.

    • Stan Lee
      Stan Lee Před 2 lety +8

      Agreed, I think they could have demonstrated Naomi's absolute determination with showing a few less of the essentially identical trips into the middle of the ship...

  • Fern F
    Fern F Před 2 lety

    Exactly what I was looking for... but much more detailed than expected. I really appreciate your work. I wanted to start reading the book after the end of season 5.

  • Godzilla fan
    Godzilla fan Před 2 lety

    I love the books . The authors build a galaxy and fill it with fascinating characters. I have watched 2 seasons of the show and they do a good job. Another series called the commonwealth written by Alan Dean Foster is really good to. Start with the Pip and Flinx books if interested.

  • Felix Morgenstern
    Felix Morgenstern Před 2 lety +1

    Man, what a great and thoughtful as well as thought-provoking video essay! Keep up the good work :)

  • Yanny C
    Yanny C Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for such a detailed explanation, absolutely what i wanted after watching the finale to learn more of the lore, comparisons Book and Show, damn i hyped for next season! sub!

  • Eroshan Ratnayaka
    Eroshan Ratnayaka Před 2 lety

    Drummers story is so different from Michios in the books, which led to that last episode been quite different from the book.

  • Jupon
    Jupon Před 2 lety

    This was such a great season. i really feel like the show is it at it's best here and in many ways the changes they made to the story was not only better for the format but may have improved over the books.

  • Jon Baxter
    Jon Baxter Před 2 lety +12

    Surprised me about Amos and Alex being minor, they were great in the show. Thought they were big players.

    • Alan Pennie
      Alan Pennie Před 2 lety +1

      I think what happened is that the authors got more interested in them and eventually made then pov characters.
      Then when the show began the rewrote the earlier part of the story to make The Roci crew more of an ensemble.

    • J Rich
      J Rich Před 2 lety +1

      They are pretty major characters. They just do not have pov chapters. The chapter where Naomi tells when she first fell in love with Holden made him my favorite character.

  • Harrison O'Dell
    Harrison O'Dell Před 2 lety

    You should do this for each season this was great

  • By the Stillwaters
    By the Stillwaters Před 2 lety +1

    Just found this and your channel. It’s been awhile since I read the books and your video so clearly explains the differences. Thank you!

  • JohnFourtyTwo
    JohnFourtyTwo Před 2 lety

    Alt Shift X, I love your reviews of books, movies, and TV shows because you have the critical eye to pick out details I usually miss the first time. Your thorough analysis of Game of Thrones and Westworld are great and do both shows justice and bring the blurred lines into focus when the showrunners either purposely or incompetently let the stories run amuck.
    Just wondering if you have any plans to cover The Mandalorian, if you do it would be great, but if not then I understand since that franchise is in such a mess I wouldn't want to spend any time trying to make sense of it either.
    Look very much forward to your next video, keep up the great work, we are not disappointed.

  • Colin Grealy
    Colin Grealy Před 2 lety +48

    I can't believe they left out my single favourite Avasarala line in the entire series. After she tells Holden they're going after Inaros, he (typically) assumes he'll be in charge.
    "You want me to lead it," Holden said.
    "Yes," Avasarala said, "because literally every UN naval officer who wasn't dishonorably discharged is suddenly unavailable. For fuck's sake, Holden, I have crates of anti-herpes drugs that are more legitimately UN Navy than you are."

  • desertcomber5
    desertcomber5 Před 2 lety +104

    I believe Bull drinking out of a cup labeled Kamal was the nod towards the new pilot.

    • Christopher Willis
      Christopher Willis Před 2 lety +7

      Good catch, ya, prob right

    • haualo
      haualo Před 2 lety

      @Diceyst What did he do?

    • haualo
      haualo Před 2 lety +4

      @Diceyst Oh well damn, his character had great chemistry with everyone else, gonna be wired when they just ignore him. Why did they kill Fred ? Did Chad also do something like that?

  • Robert Winslade
    Robert Winslade Před 2 lety +54

    Love The Expanse; some of the best sci-fi out there

    • Dax Lucero
      Dax Lucero Před 2 lety

      Not anymore, they the show going intersectional

    • Robert Winslade
      Robert Winslade Před 2 lety

      @Dax Lucero do you even know what intersectionality is? Because I don't see how it applies to The Expanse

    • J Rich
      J Rich Před 2 lety +1

      Some of? 😁

    • J Rich
      J Rich Před 2 lety +3

      blorghised Go watch Star Wars or Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek. Those shows have 1 dimensional characters and lots of explosions so you should love them.

  • Pralyuris
    Pralyuris Před 2 lety

    My biggest issue of Season 5 was how unrepresented the sheer destruction of Earth is. It took decades for Earth to even remotely recover after the death of billions instead of only some millions in the TV series.

  • Ashara Stark
    Ashara Stark Před 2 lety +10

    That was a quick turnaround. Well done team Alt Shift X.

    • David Bailey
      David Bailey Před 2 lety +2

      I'm pretty sure they had Early Access cuz it came out immediately after the episode aired

  • sinborn41214
    sinborn41214 Před 2 lety +9

    Thank you for not expanding on the situation surrounding Cas and his departure from the show. I'm frustrated with the situation and the lack of a definitive answer (at least one I could easily find) on the findings from the investigation.

  • Leisurelee53
    Leisurelee53 Před 2 lety +112

    "Amos is not exactly a model of reason and good decision making"
    Ok I'ma gonna need that gun back...

    • Marty Moose
      Marty Moose Před 2 lety +10

      Amos is amazing! When he stripped down in front of that Psycho Prepper he had no fucks left to give.

    • AMDG4E
      AMDG4E Před 2 lety +3

      This comment and the above reply both made me burst out laughing. 😆

    • J Rich
      J Rich Před 2 lety +1

      @Marty Moose Wes wanted to go Full Monty but the director talked him out of it.

    • Zarathustra
      Zarathustra Před 2 lety

      hahaha good one

  • Minifoss
    Minifoss Před 2 lety

    Yes please! More of the expanse! More theories and speculation would be awesome too!

  • kat laying low
    kat laying low Před 2 lety

    Please also do the other episodes, I always love your analytical style!!!

  • Jonny
    Jonny Před 2 lety +2

    Love this series! Thanks Alt Shift X!

  • CreeDo Lala
    CreeDo Lala Před 2 lety

    I knew there had to be more to the death of two major characters. I like when shows refuse to use "plot armor", but it has to be done right. Alex's death felt kind of random and anticlimactic... he's fine for the naomi rescue then quietly dies once she's in hand. Might have been more dramatic at least if he's struggling with symptoms right after the high-G burn, or dies immediately, and Bobbi has to figure everything out herself.

  • Anthony Price
    Anthony Price Před 2 lety +1

    As a non-book reader (yet, one and two are on my bookshelf waiting), hearing some of the omitted bits makes me surprisingly happy. Things like Bobbie riding a missile are 'cool' 'epic' moments, but would reduce the realism of the TV show which, for me, is what makes the TV telling of the story work so well. I look forward to discovering and exploring all of the more fantastical elements when I can use my own imagination to amalgamate them into the story I'm reading, and I'm glad the show hasn't tried to portray the more fantastical elements. I wonder if the writers would have written the books differently now after the experience of adapting it for TV?

    • devak
      devak Před 2 lety +4

      Oh yea, Bobby riding a missile is great in the books. And it would look unbelievably silly on TV.

    • Alan Pennie
      Alan Pennie Před 2 lety

      Sounds like Dr Strangelove.

    • devak
      devak Před 2 lety +1

      @Alan Pennie Well if you watch that scene, it's very silly. Which is the point in Strangelove but would look terrible in the Expanse

  • Oly Fiorentino
    Oly Fiorentino Před 2 lety +1

    I wish Alt Shift X could cover Full Metal Alchemist:Brotherhood. I feel like there is a lot of lore, theories and complex characters and ideas that ASX could do well.

  • SaintBalor
    SaintBalor Před 2 lety

    I was so disappointed when I didn't see Bobby surfing that missile :c it's one of the coolest underplayed stunts any character has ever done in that series

  • tuckerjs
    tuckerjs Před 2 lety +1

    Just want to say that while the Barkeith is the only ship we SEE go missing in S5, there is a line in S5E2 during the UN council meeting where they talk about 'discrepancies in the numbers of colony ships transiting the Rings,' which I can only assume is alluding to them getting eaten by the angry rave specters.

  • Digital Dark
    Digital Dark Před 2 lety

    I know you're already doing a lot. Which i really appreciate. Though i'm quite sure your talents would be wonderfully used on WandaVision. There seems to be a lot of things people miss on that show. With your keen eye, i think you'd knock it out the park. Thank you for all the rest of your videos.

  • Bill Ross
    Bill Ross Před 2 lety

    Avasarala calling Amos' escape ship a "gaudy turd". lmao. The show needs more book quotes from her.

  • John Patelzick
    John Patelzick Před 2 lety +14

    Once again you give the best commentary on the internet.

  • Charles Ovatar
    Charles Ovatar Před 2 lety +15

    Hey Alt Shift X , you should totally watch Dark on Netflix it's only 3 seasons. Mindblown! I love it

  • Raymond L
    Raymond L Před rokem

    When Amos wouldn't stop calling the meat head guy "Tiny" that shit had me dying lmao!

  • Oliver Franke
    Oliver Franke Před 2 lety

    That's why I prefer the books over the show. The books are way more complex, detailed and well thought out. The show simply ignores minor, but nonetheless important parts of the story. It alters or completely leaves out characters or character elements, changes things to simply have a more streamlined story to include all the characters, that were originally not even part of the story.

  • NeedsContent
    NeedsContent Před 2 lety

    Excellent work as always.
    Thanks for posting.

  • Felipe Carvalho
    Felipe Carvalho Před 2 lety

    The books are incredibly amazing. I remember enjoying the show so much, but after I went to read the books, I can't anymore.

    • Jeremy H
      Jeremy H Před 2 lety

      Why? If it’s pretty close of an adaption and made by the same people.

  • Zeff Malchazeen
    Zeff Malchazeen Před rokem

    idk if this was explained in your previous vids, but Belters have average height of 2 meters. Naomi was almost 2m, Miller is 2m and the cop friend of Miller in Eros is way taller than Miller

  • xxbludger
    xxbludger Před 2 lety

    I know the title is obviously a clear enough warning to those who haven't watched Season 5, but opening the video with THAT scene just made me laugh out loud

  • Bill Ross
    Bill Ross Před 2 lety

    That was a great and thoughtful review. Nice ending note.

  • BioCapsule
    BioCapsule Před rokem

    As I recall, it was heavily 'implied' that while Inaros was very ambitious, he wasn't all that good at planning, most of the flaws in his 'plans' are likely 'filled in' by the Martians, maybe even Duarte himself. He mainly claims it as his own to show how brilliant he is, like 'using' the Martians or any failure were part of his 'plan'. So as to show he is more brilliant then he actually is.

  • DragonSword
    DragonSword Před 2 lety

    Thanks for covering this series!

  • Gazmus
    Gazmus Před 2 lety

    Is Marco more likeable in the books?
    I dont think they played up how belters are basically doomed because the rings go to gravity planets nearly enough on the show. I guess in the books is he a bit more of a sympathetic character?

  • Bureda Godhand
    Bureda Godhand Před 2 lety

    Any show Alt Shift X rates I watch. Thank you for all the efforts you lot put in.

  • JJ
    JJ Před 2 lety +176

    Saw this on reddit: Alex died the way he lived
    Stroking things he shouldn't.

    • ImmortalKyou013
      ImmortalKyou013 Před 2 lety +3

      HAHAHA thank you for the lol

    • Mars
      Mars Před 2 lety +2

      Oof brutal

    • RATT
      RATT Před 2 lety +1


    • Geoff Totten (Perth Coys)
      Geoff Totten (Perth Coys) Před 2 lety +1

      So was anything actually proven? Or just more "lets get them".

    • Grelk
      Grelk Před 2 lety

      Not alex just the person they chose to represent him, unfortunately turned out be a degenerate creep

  • Peter Thomas
    Peter Thomas Před 2 lety

    I really hope they do Amos and Bobbie right in the final season. And Good lord book 8 wrecked me

  • Jim Flagg
    Jim Flagg Před 2 lety

    I think they all went trough changes in this book and Holden I think under Fred's direction has become a better leader. I wish we would have had the battle that killed Fred in the show. I liked the dud torpedo being rammed up Marco's ships rear.

  • Archmaester Renny
    Archmaester Renny Před 2 lety +23

    I wish they hand’t killed Fred Johnson this season-I liked Chad Coleman’s portrayal of him. And I truly hope that Bull does not become the Roci pilot in season 6. Clarissa’s a pilot-maybe she could increase her piloting skills and take that role!

    • ArithonUK
      ArithonUK Před 2 lety +3

      Clarissa's sister Juliette Mau was the pilot, Clarissa's an engineer. She'll join the Roci if they follow the books, but Bobby is the most likely character to be added to the Roci crew to replace Alex, since Alex's character was written out because of the sexual assault allegations against Cas Anvar.

    • Termitreter
      Termitreter Před 2 lety +2

      @ArithonUK Bobby isnt a pilot either, though.

    • dio pap
      dio pap Před 2 lety

      Bull's ark is perfect in the books, i hope they dont fuck with it.

  • Kristian Nicholson
    Kristian Nicholson Před 2 lety +88

    Breaks my heart to see Alex go, he worked so hard to save the show and now he's gone.

    • Victor Meunier
      Victor Meunier Před 2 lety +68

      It´s also a shame his actor sexually harassed women.

    • Josh Powell-Morris
      Josh Powell-Morris Před 2 lety +57

      Yeah, man needed to go. We mourn the character but not the actor.

    • Victor Meunier
      Victor Meunier Před 2 lety +11

      @Josh Powell-Morris Indeed, Alex was awesome. Probably the most sympathetic character. :(

    • blacktea65
      blacktea65 Před 2 lety +23

      @Victor Meunier is it certain yet? All I know there were accusations which does not make someone guilty of it.

    • Tim Maximilian
      Tim Maximilian Před 2 lety +26

      @blacktea65 No there was a month Long Investigation by a Third Party, that concluded that The accusation we're valid

  • Scrotie McBoogerballs
    Scrotie McBoogerballs Před 2 lety +183

    ASX covering The Expanse makes me happy

    • Marty Moose
      Marty Moose Před 2 lety +2

      Same here. Expanse is just as good as Game of Thrones but in Space! The Expanse didn’t implode like GOT though so it might even be better. We really won’t know until after season six though.

    • Butch S.
      Butch S. Před 2 lety +1

      @Marty Moose It really helps that Ty and Daniel are adapting their own story for the show. GOT was great while the show's writers had GRRM's books to work from, it went off the rails when they ran out of source material and had to wing it. I've read in interviews where Ty and Daniel have enjoyed the opportunity doing the adaptation as it allows them a chance to reimagine characters and plotlines in a way that works in a visual medium.

  • Green Box Studio
    Green Box Studio Před 2 lety

    Who wants videos like this for all the previous seasons too?

  • eureka211288
    eureka211288 Před 2 lety +17

    I am just sorry about Alex. I know that it could happen but it felt rly anticlimactic. They did some send off later, still i'm sad about it.

    • Drelam
      Drelam Před 2 lety

      Yeah they didn't want to give him too big of a send off considering it could send the wrong message also I think they would have had to do a lot of rewrites and they didn't have the time so they killed him off kinda anticlimactic making very small changes to what was originally planed I believe.

    • MrCushcam
      MrCushcam Před 2 lety

      Yeah I felt exactly the same. It's like they built up Naomi's death so well that when they just cut after Alex's death it felt like a massive letdown

    • LicoriceLain
      LicoriceLain Před 2 lety

      His actor's actions put them in a bind. If he hadn't conducted himself the way he did, Alex would still be around going forward.

    • Matt P
      Matt P Před 2 lety +1

      I kind of liked that it was anti-climatic I mean I would’ve preferred he not die but given that he had to I think the way he died was actually pretty good. He was an ace pilot that’s what he wanted to do with his life and he died from a health complication that came from being a ace pilot flying at high speeds. It happens to real life fighter pilots lasso now then before we had modern medical technology but it still occasionally happens the body just can’t withstand enough GeForce it reminds you that in the end even heroes are still human and they can die simply from pushing their walk to far too many times.

  • Water Tiger
    Water Tiger Před 2 lety

    You are the Best show/movie explainer. And your videos are quality productions. Thank you Alt Shift X, HUZZAH!!!!

    GET_IN_THE_VAN Před 2 lety +1

    2:11 The show does mention that 17 ships have disappeared at the beginning of the season but they don't revisit this until Duarte's ship is vaporized.

    • DJS
      DJS Před 2 lety +1

      I interpreted that mention very differently. I read that as there was no way to contact those systems. As in communications were down, or something like New Terra occured where things went totally sideways. Either their colonies fell apart organically, or some protomolecule/ancient tech was too blame.

  • Hugh Mungus
    Hugh Mungus Před 2 lety

    Honestly I didn't catch the death of Alex in the TV show until people started talking about it.

  • Kallen kannu
    Kallen kannu Před 2 lety +1

    One major change is also the impact of the rocks hitting earth. The show only mentioned millions dead, the book had billions. Though this might change next year if they explore the catastrophe more.

    • Termitreter
      Termitreter Před 2 lety +1

      Yeh, in the show they say something like "about 1.2 or 2 millions dead, much more expected". So it really confused me when this video and people in the comments talk about bilions of dead; and the wiki goes as far as to say that the planet is devastated, with most of humanity on earth killed. The pictures they show also look more like the equivalent of a large nuclear strike, similar to the martian nuke, rather than a world ending event.
      Really makes me wonder what they're going to do with that. The show paints a very different picture.

  • Kilian Blum
    Kilian Blum Před 2 lety

    Great video!
    Unfortunately this season was a disappoint, particularly the parts on Earth and to a lesser degree the parts on Mars. The devastation of the rock hits was not felt at all and generally one is left with the impression that the planet is going to be fine. It’s snows a little, there is some minor flooding, a prison is destroyed, and some old people have died, but the planet is fine. Kind of like after a big hurricane. I have no clue why so little time was spend on Earth, why the devastation was downplayed and why the insurrection on Mars was mostly dropped...

  • Jacco van Schaik
    Jacco van Schaik Před 2 lety

    That must have been so much work. Awesome stuff!

  • Celan
    Celan Před 2 lety +27

    The book sounds so much more awesome than season 5 of the show, which kind of dragged. Bobbie riding a missile? Holy shit!

    • Christopher Willis
      Christopher Willis Před 2 lety +5

      Book 5 felt a little more like old, deep sci fi. It forces you to dwell and really think about the colossal powers at play here, humans just killed billions of each other, evil gods like beings are awakening, and a power vacuum looks to snuff the flame of humanity right out...and told through the lens of characters we know and only kinda know.

    • Lance Everett
      Lance Everett Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah, I think both show and book have their merits, but the whole season I was like "When is Bobby going to ride a missile?" - Although Frankie Adams is awesome bringing Bobby to life; the books had Bobby doing a lot more (imo)

    • Joseph De-haan
      Joseph De-haan Před 2 lety

      Nemesis Games is one of my 3 favourite of the series.

    • Christopher Willis
      Christopher Willis Před 2 lety

      This thread has had me thinking about how the evolution of the books and the show kind of reminds me of Spore and the phases and order of magnitude difference in concerns. Or maybe more like One Punch, where every season is one more tier up the threat ladder. I mean, of course, that is how all long term things go, always gotta be raising the stakes. But some people are going to like different parts of that for different reasons.
      My friend always talked about how MOST people hate the later seasons of Buffy, but those are her favorite because they are a big, hot mess. Anyway, nothing to add per say, just had me thinking all day today about how and what it is I enjoy about the sci fi I consume :D

    • Frank Spencer
      Frank Spencer Před 2 lety

      @Christopher Willis Spore also (on the wiki) wrote "books" like how the Expanse all started (in a web chat)
      It was luck that brought Expanse to this place but also perseverance as after the webchat they continued writing. Whilst, with our group, we just sort of stopped.

  • budget prepping
    budget prepping Před 2 lety +1

    I wished they just recast Alex (the show had no problem recasting Asverala's husband), kept Fred alive (until he was supposedto die), focused more on the 4 main characters instead of drummer and bull, showed the reporter lady researching the missing ships instead of wasting time on Drummer's love life and showed Bobbie being the true badass that she is riding a missile. They changed so much from the books that I am starting not to recognize it. It doesn't help that the next book sucks.

    • Richard Ott
      Richard Ott Před 2 lety

      That recasting idea would not go down well with the woke mob. They fail to understand that an actor and the role he plays are two separate things.

  • yensid
    yensid Před 2 lety

    Great analysis of book 5 👍

  • Jacob Staten
    Jacob Staten Před 2 lety

    Marco didn't even deserve a whole season to himself. They should have compressed this stuff and made more room for the following books. They have a lot of more interesting stuff to cover and only one season to do it in.

    LEThavFUNnSMILE Před 2 lety

    Great video like always and thank you for the insight

  • wordseater
    wordseater Před 2 lety +1

    Great video, you're awesome.
    I love the show, sometimes it's even better than the books. But the book Nemesis Games is *a lot* better than the show, imo.

  • Damian P
    Damian P Před 2 lety +3

    I haven't read the books.
    I haven't watch the show.
    I enjoy Alt Shift X's voice.
    I like the videos.

  • 4393kb
    4393kb Před 2 lety

    You forgot to mention that in the series the "Apocalypse" killed only a few million people and the nature is alright (except in the blast zones).

  • Dave Dogge
    Dave Dogge Před 2 lety +15

    Who here watched the ending of The Expanse Season 5 and didn't really know what was going on with the protomolecule and the Martians ? and that weird ship ? more questions than answers. Cannot wait for Season 6.

    • Alt Shift X
      Alt Shift X Před 2 lety +1

      We explain that stuff in this video!

    • Dave Dogge
      Dave Dogge Před 2 lety

      @Alt Shift X I sorta guessed in the show that the Martians who made a deal with Marco suddenly got killed by weird aliens or a weird weapon but why exactly, I don't know. I didn't catch in your video what that weird alien ship was shown in the end credits and by that Martian scientist that seemed to be on a ring world planet with that same weird ship in the sky, the one who was communicating with the Maritians that did a deal with Marco. It was really late at night and maybe I wasn't the sharpest tool in the box as I was tired. Is that alien ship, a ship that was carrying the protomolecule and had somehow been altered by it ?

    • Ammar Arran
      Ammar Arran Před 2 lety +1

      @Dave Dogge a faction within Mars has gone rogue and made a deal with Marco to start a war in sole system with the inners (Mars and earth) and get the last active protomolecule in exchange of ships and weapons.
      all that is to occupy Mars and earth in war while this Martian faction goes to a System (Laconia) and start a new Empire. in this new System there is an alien ship and artifacts belong to the Builders of the ring gates but they were deactivated. that's why they needed the protomolecule to reactivate everything just like in new Terra in season 4.

    • Ammar Arran
      Ammar Arran Před 2 lety +1

      @Dave Dogge about the what happend to the ship of Sauveterre. no one knows (yet). there were many mentions of ships "going dutchman". many of these ships were smuggled to Laconia but there were also ships that ready disappeared. in season 4 Okoye entered what is called the void bullet (big black ball) and she saw some weird stuff there. what happend with the disappeared ships is similar. from holden we know that the Ring builders where killed by other beings using this thing (the void bullet).
      now these "beings" are responsible for the disappearing of the ships.

    • Dave Dogge
      Dave Dogge Před 2 lety +1

      @Ammar Arran I think it seems a long time since i've seen 'weird' in The Expanse with Miller and the effects of the protomolecule and so I've forgotten that real weird can happen.

  • Scott Re
    Scott Re Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the service you provide to fans.

  • Ryley Hanks
    Ryley Hanks Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for saving my sanity, I had read book 5 a while ago so its fuzzy, but when I watched the finally I was shouting Alex doesn't fucking die here!

  • TheCurlsCrazy
    TheCurlsCrazy Před 2 lety +6

    still so greatfull you guys showed me "Leviathan wakes", i love these books

  • Tibor Milasevic
    Tibor Milasevic Před 2 lety +1

    When Amos first told Peaches to "hang on little tomato" as they were struggling up the elevator shaft from the underground prison, the phrase jumped out at me because I knew the reference.
    It is the title song of the 2004 Album by the same name by the musical group Pink Martini. The books are most likely filled with cultural reference phrases that had become part of the language of the future earth in the universe of The Expanse. That phrase might have become a term of endearing encouragement. I can hear Lydia saying it to Timothy

  • Nid De Chats
    Nid De Chats Před 2 lety

    Thank you for your work, it's really appreciated :)

  • Mo Bahar
    Mo Bahar Před 2 lety

    Can you do a series on actual spoilers for the next season ? Maybe explain a few things ?

  • Tarn 113
    Tarn 113 Před 2 lety +3

    I really enjoyed the Bull character this season and hope he sticks around for the 6th season.

    • Drelam
      Drelam Před 2 lety

      he will he's replacing Alex

  • Matt H
    Matt H Před 2 lety

    Goddamn this show is so good, and this season did the book justice. Can't wait what they have in store for us in the future.

  • allmhuran
    allmhuran Před 2 lety

    Up to this point I have been a massive fan of the show, but in this case the book is not "merely" better in the way books normally are, it's... almost not the same story. For some reason, possibly budgets, this season was all about individual relationships, which is only a minor aspect of previous seasons. As they say, great minds think about ideas, mediocre minds think about things, small minds think about people. This was a season of small minds. An extremely sharp drop in quality.

  • AMDG4E
    AMDG4E Před 2 lety

    X's videos on GoT and now The Expanse are the absolute best!!

  • Big Poppi
    Big Poppi Před 2 lety

    Totally realistic I love it

  • El Kanto
    El Kanto Před 2 lety

    Have I missed something or is Earth's death toll significantly lower in the show? From what I can remember they just talked about how millions (seven digits) died. Marco's attack gains a lot more weight if it actually cost billions of lives.

    • Alt Shift X
      Alt Shift X  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah they only say "millions" died in Season 5. But maybe the billions will die later in Season 6 -- in the books, many of the deaths come from the long term aftermath of the attack, not the immediate impacts.

  • mrdynamitehee
    mrdynamitehee Před 2 lety +3

    maybe they were just following the books but i've been willing myself to keep liking this show for the past two seasons. it feels like all we've done this season is watch Naomi struggle to escape from one ship or another, Drummer struggle with her angst and Bobbie and Alex sit and look at screens in the razorback. it does't feel exciting anymore.

    • Fangtorn
      Fangtorn Před 2 lety

      I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but so much happened this season it's insane.

    • mrdynamitehee
      mrdynamitehee Před 2 lety

      @Fangtorn Mm. I spent more than ten minutes in ep 8 alone watching Naomi test every single wire on her ship to see which one was transmitting the false message. That’s it. That really doesn’t feel like any sort of ‘insane’ pace at all. Alex has contributed so little as a character I honestly get surprised when we cut back to him, unmoved, still staring at the razorback screen, still waiting for something to happen. It’s a little ironic the show got worse with more money from Amazon. It’s not a bad show at all, per se. But, given what came before in seasons 1-3, I won’t miss it as I once might have when it finishes next season.

    • Fangtorn
      Fangtorn Před 2 lety +1

      @mrdynamitehee Um, Alex failed to reconcile with his ex, helped Bobbie uncover a Martian conspiracy, warned Holden Marco had Martian ships, boarded and destroyed a Belter ship, and died saving Naomi. If that's contributing little as a character I think you have a pretty unfair standard. As for Naomi, her actions on the Chetzemoka are meant to be repetitive to communicate how desperate and gruelling her struggle is and her own determination. I don't know, you can think what you like but your complaints seem pretty silly to me.

    • Ealdy
      Ealdy Před 2 lety

      I feel the same way but not because nothing happens. A lot happens, it just feels like filler. Teasing us with alien stuff for many seasons then going back to solar system politics is jarring.

    • mrdynamitehee
      mrdynamitehee Před 2 lety

      @Fangtorn yeah. things that are 'meant to be repetitive' don't become more exciting - or even interesting - to watch because repetition was the intention. And, you're right, anyone can think what they like. To me, citing boring, long repetitive sequences to prove how 'exciting' the show has become compared to before seems pretty dumb and fanboyishly unaware to me.

  • Teo Carnaghi
    Teo Carnaghi Před 2 lety +3

    I Watched the entire series with my family only because of this videos!!

  • Empty Slot
    Empty Slot Před 2 lety +1

    Outstanding final . To bad we have to wait now for season 6, which will take a while I guess...

  • Drelam
    Drelam Před 2 lety

    I really like Alex's character hell my name is Alex it's a shame he had to go, but thank god it wasn't the Amos actor I don't know how I'd handle the show with Amos gone or even worse if it was Holden's actor.

  • Jon Baxter
    Jon Baxter Před 2 lety +19

    I miss Dawes, hope he comes back in last series.

    • Theo Turner
      Theo Turner Před 2 lety +2

      The actor's salary has probably just become too high. He is a big star now.

    • Jon Baxter
      Jon Baxter Před 2 lety

      @Theo Turner But Dawes was so fucking cool. Plus he shows up in the 6th book some

    • Theo Turner
      Theo Turner Před 2 lety

      @Jon Baxter I agree, he should return, but the show's budget may have other ideas.

    • Somebody
      Somebody Před 2 lety

      @Jon Baxter how important is he in book 6? I think it's more about his schedule than price.

    • deaddropsd1972
      deaddropsd1972 Před 2 lety

      I was trying to recall if he died or not !!

  • Jesse Taylor
    Jesse Taylor Před 2 lety +3

    In the last-ish scene of season 5, where the ship has the red stuff floating through it - is that the ship being destroyed? Or, is that just the look of the ship passing through the ring?