LOGAN REVIEW
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My favorite thing of this film is when Wolverine is introduced in the First X-Men movie it was about helping a girl get to a better place (Rogue) and his end is about helping a girl get to a better place (X23)
jirayasama7 shit, I didn't notice that! Awesome.
No shit
jirayasama7 I would have never thought about that........
I now feel ashamed that I also never noticed that. Also, the first journey went north to south and the final one went south to north, kind of in a loose return journey to type of thing.
That's very true
Logan: "Don't be what they made you..."
*Everyone chokes up and let tears flow*
X-23: "Daddy....no....daddy"
*Everyone loses it, is an emotional wreck*
X-23 makes the cross into an X
*Everyone gives it a standing ovation*
Alex Love that's EXACTLY what I did!
I haven't cried that hard at a movie since Old Yeller.
This was totally how it went in my theater. I don't think there was a dry eye in the room.
I was trying fighting off tears until she called him "Daddy". It threw me off and felt forced
I agree with "daddy" maybe being to much, but it was still a great moment
Patrick Stewart's performance hits so much harder if you've had a relative in that condition. My grandmother had Alzheimer's and Xavier's behavior reminded me so much of her, every scene with him was gut wrenching.
And Hugh Jackman really captures how taking care of someone with dementia can affect the caregiver. You can just feel how emotionally draining and wearying that experience is.
Dafne Keen was amazing too. That "daddy" line, holy crap. It's especially poignant when you realize that could be the first time she's said that word since she was raised in a lab and treated like an object all her life.
KingOfMadCows My family is burying our grandmother tomorrow, who battled Alzheimer's for the last 10 years. I know exactly where you're coming from.
100,% agree
You guys did a disservice to Dafne Keen by just giving her the throw away line, "that girl did great". Name her, heap praise on her, she was amazing.
Seth Koehler Laura was literally the best part of the film in my opinion
Seth Koehler the movie was great. she wasn't.
the only reason we liked her is because she had very few lines.
if she had a bunch of lines, just like every kid actor in movies,she would've been annoying.
Seth Koehler she definitely needs her own movie a few years down the road
I think she might be able
To play Ellie from the last of us with Hugh Jackman as Joel
I am the batman they already make a great team for killing everything when necessary
I only teared up a little bit when I saw it the first time opening night, but the second time I saw it, the thought came to mind that the professor is pretty much the closet thing Logan has to a father, so when it came to the scene where he's got the shovel....I literally broke down balling...I was thinking" this poor bastard has been through hell, but he's been tough because he's wolverine..but this moment....this broke him" ...F#@$ing beautiful!!!!!..... I've been waiting for a wolverine film like this since I bought that first wolverine comic in a gas station in third grade.....20th Century Fox WELL DONE!!!!!!!
Yep... That he couldn't even give him a eulogy and was struggling to say that he got him as close to water as he could, that broke me... Gave me a flashback to my grandfathers funeral when I was a kid...
I literally just got back from the theatre from finally seeing Logan for the first time and y'all post this at the same time...cheers!
Ethan Switzer had a couple of those , it's fucking destiny mate
They legit say 7 died in Westchester. prof X killed the Xmen. They took it straight from Old man Logan (xcept it isnt wolverine who kills the Xmen but prof Xavier). Its as good as stated.
exactly, yeah they just didn't want to have to spell it out for people. It's confirmed.
I was soooo glad they did not flash back to it. I put 2 and 2 together on my own, I don't need to see my favorite characters heads explode Scanner-style.
they said 7 mutants
kardez13 "...including some of the -" ... X-men
Thierry Blondin-Rivest yeah. everytime I hear people speculating it makes me 2nd guess that I heard the news reporter say it but now youve mentioned it I know I did hear it right.
I definitely find Logan to be better than The Dark Knight. TDK is like a cool, slick cop drama with a very interesting performance from the main villain, but to me it always felt like it lacked an ability to make me invested in the main character. He was just kind of there to pull the story along. In Logan I fucking care about everybody.
+Andreas Nordvall I couldn´t agree more, especially with the caring part
Take Heath Ledger out of TDK and it’s 99.9% trash. Logan is literally LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of TDK .
Andreas Nordvall I’m 2 years late but EXACTLY
You know what, I'm glad someone feels the same way cause I'm kind of always in the minority. Like saying I loved the new Dark Phoenix when everyone else seems to hate it...
@@skrillex4x987 dark phoenix is straight up dogshit
Logan had a great story. Something you had a emotional attachment to.
Jack B especially if you remember the first one and being so excited as a young teen to see it
Finally fuckers
Francisco Portillo fuck yeah fuckers!
Lol
Francisco Portillo my fucking virgin eyes can't believe all this fucking going on.
Leon Gorgizian fuck man im sorry
Athletic Gamer Fan 5,000 the fuck you say.
Can't believe the only Oscar nod for Logan is best adapted screenplay. Did anyone see this fucking movie? Amazing from start to finish. When he tell professor x that "it wasn't me" ... heartbreaking.
I saw Logan 3 times in the theater. It's So Amazing it's Staggering!!! They're absolutely right--The Dark Knight and Logan are Thee 2 Greatest superhero movies of ALL Time!! No other superhero movies come close--they truly are in a league of their own. I've never cared more for the characters in a superhero movie than I did at the end of Logan. It's simply... AMAZING!!!
FINALLY saw LOGAN last night. Truly astounding. BRILLIANT. Dafne Keen was amazing. Patrick Stewart was absolutely Oscar-worthy. Jackman delivered perfectly and the story was mesmerizing. WOW!
What Deadpool did for comedy in the super hero genre, Logan did for the serious, tear jerking emotion in the super hero genre.
Several months later i can literally skip to the scene where X-23 turns the Cross on his grave to an X and instantly start balling!
When x23 quotes Shane at end and turns that cross to X was amazing!!!!!!
I place Logan over TDK. Everytime I see TDK I think of Pete Holmes "Badman" and how the Joker played him for a fool and had him beat if not for Lucious Fox's add ons to the suit as well as his desire to not kill him...still a good movie though
Comments by Shaun That sketch was amazing
Hue has the comic movie character personification championship belt. Who are the other contenders?
Robert Downey - Iron Man
Ryan Reynolds - Deadpool
Heath Ledger - Joker
Wesley Snipes - Blade
Michael Jai White - Spawn
Margot Robbie - Harley Quinn
Tom Hiddleson - Loki
Chris Hemsworth - Thor
I let out a loud "NOOOO" when that Professor X scene happened.
I've heard some people dig at the fact that we got X-24 instead of Sabretooth, but we've seen Sabretooth. Twice. What we never got to see until Logan was what the Weapon X program was trying to create.
X-24 is what Stryker wanted Logan to become.
Logan may be a better move in the sense that it's more compelling, but when I think of which blew my mind more it was the Dark Knight - not so much because of the journey, but because of certain images that to me became instantly iconic and imprinted on my mind - like Joker riding in the back of the stolen cop car as the sound fades, batman smashing through the roof of Scarecrow's car, the Joker threatening Racheal with the knife, the truck flipping. The soundtrack also I can still hear in my mind. The Dark Knight kind of reminds me of 2001 or ClockWork Orange in that way, these movies plots are great, but they are classics because of those iconic images that stay with you for years and continue to inspire you.
I wish Kevin would let Mark finish a few more sentences.
LOGAN: Everyone I care about dies.
LAURA: I should be okay then.
ASHTON KUTCHER: BUUUUUUUUURN!!!!!!!
Honestly such a good movie. Perfect blend of action and emotionally intriguing. Lie to me and say you didn't feel something while watching this
They did mention that Charles killed the X-Men.
Here's my thought on Logan, they could've taken the whole 'superhero' elements with the powers and made it a story of this tough, loner guy, taking care of an old man that was like a father to him but he could never really show it, and discovering he has a daughter...and it would still be an amazing movie. It was just this amazing movie that happened to have Wolverine and X-men powers but the plot just blew it away and I can't wait to see it a second time.
I've been waiting for Kevin to review Logan and it's finally here.
If Patrick Stewart does't get a Best Supporting Actor Oscar, there is no God.
pvthitch there is no God already.... so now what?
pvthitch doesn't
And then we saw the nominations so no god
LOGAN is the new godfather of superhero movies
In the beginning, those vatos are trying to steel his rims. Logan was drunk, he couldn't even pop all his claws! Still fucked em up! That beginning sold me.
I teared up when Prof X died, but bawled as Logan died and Laura whimpered "Daddy". Sat through the credits to recover.
when Charles died... and they buried him.. Logan's eulogy made me cry.. jackman sold it.. such a multitalented actor..
My only beef was how professionally edited Gabriela's "concealed" cell phone footage was, dubbed narration and all...maybe iPhones are THAT advanced after the mutant era?
This was a great movie. On a technical level and on a 'wide audience appeal' level.
But the X-Men fan in me hated it, because of how god damn sad it was. It was the saddest movie I've seen in a long time. Coimpletely devoid of hope.
The children at the end represent hope. Mutant kind lives on.
Hi guy's, I'm OCD with symmetry and numbers. Gotten past touching everything with both hands; now I just count words I hear and break down their syllables and find the symmetry in the syllables. So when I watch action movies for the first time I count the number of action scenes. But in this one I had to count the number of times I cried. Six, six times. The action was what got you to stop crying through the movie. Might be the best movie ever...
my only issue and it wasn't a huge thing was I would've preferred a different mutant than wolverine clone. I thought it was a little boring. besides that fucking greatest thing ever bring on the X-23 sequels
They did put the part about Charles killing the X-men in the movie, or the hinted at it. It was a news report they were watching. The reporter says, likening what happened in Las Vegas to Connecticut, that however many years ago that attack killed several members of the... and Logan turns it off.
Then Charles' speech before the clone kills him is about how he remembers some of it and he understands why Logan hates him not. It was implied so hard that it can be taken as canon.
You don't need a new Wolverine. You have X23. End credit scene of Deadpool 2. Cable grabs X23 from future and brings her to the current X-Men timeline; whatever decade they are in now.
It's about fucking time Kevin!
I remember reading somewhere that they purposely didn't say that Xavier killed the X-Men because it would draw attention away from this story and make it more about the X-Men. Makes sense to me and I'm glad that they only hinted to it.
Kevin Smith: "this movie blew....
Me: *shocked* 😓
Kevin Smith: me away!"
Me: "I love this man."
Little did he know Kevin Smith prediction was correct. At his death of the age of 86 there were 4 wolverines he had seen in his lifetime.
They mentioned it in the movie over the radio when they report on the Las Vegas incident, "similar to the incident in Westchester, where hundreds were injured and over 60 died, including several members of the X...." (Logan turns off the radio)
What Logan did right that Rogue One didn't is that Logan didn't base their film with so much nostalgia and made it feel like a true standalone
Michael Keaton coming back for The Dark Knight Returns makes so much sense it almost makes me tear up. Batman Begins has been my favorite superhero film since it came out. Logan my very well edge if out.
This helps everyone emphasize daddy problems in the end when X-23 says “daddy” when he’s dying in her arms and if you’ve ever had a dad like ever you will cry
Off the top of my head people I could see playing Wolverine are Joe Manganello, Jake Gyllenhaal Aaron Taylor Johnson, Jon, Berrenthal,Tom Hardy, Joel Edgerton, Bradley Cooper, Luke Evans, Charlie Hunnam (Would be near the bottom of the list) and Jon Krasinkski.
Logan was an excellent ending to Hugh Jackman playing the character. For me it's probably the most memorable superhero film since The Dark Knight and is definitely a wildcard when compared to other X-men films. Hopefully the studios now understand whether the film is rated R or PG-13 we'll go see it as long as it's a great story.
The answer about Dougray Scott was neither scheduling NOR a bad screen test. He injured himself on M:I2, and couldn't do it because his arm was in a cast. Hard to do claws in the forearms that way.
Also, where WAS a concern about the height of Hugh Jackman, but the original issue was that he was Australian, and the ghost of "Pryde of the X-Men" was still out there.
To me Logan was like True Grit with Wolverine. So awesome. This and Dark Knight are the 2 superhero movies that transcend the genre.
Patrick Stewart was at the TOP of his game in this film. These people were real ... the story was real ... the entire package here was real, THAT is what made it so badass!!!
watching Logan gave me the same feeling as when I watched Man on fire and it kind of has the same ending
When they talked about the Westchester incident and how many were killed (in the newscast) I just assumed that was when the X-Men were killed, especially when Xavier said that he remembered.
This is a Sam Peckinpaw movie -- The Getaway, Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia and the Wild Bunch!
As a fan of Wolverine since 1988 (high school - when I really started reading comics), I loved what Hugh Jackman did as the character and Logan was an amazing send off for his version of Wolverine. As you two have said, they will make more X-Men and Wolverine movies, but his 17 year run was truly wonderful.
They should recast Wolverine, but introduce him in a Deadpool movie.
Have Deadpool making comments that he looks different the whole time, then have a cameo of Hugh Jackman as a store clerk or something, and have Deadpool freak out and start calling him Wolverine, and Hugh Jackman just says "No, I'm Bob, that will be 5 bucks" or something like that.
Omg can you believe if they brought Michael Keaton back I would camp out for that...
That would have me more excited than any of the DC cinematic mess that's going on right now
Xavier was for sure responsible for the deaths of the X-Men. The news clip after his seizure in Las Vegas trails off after mentioning 7 dead mutants at the "Westchester Incident". Also, as he opens up to x-24 who he thinks is Logan he mentions not deserving the perfect day and starts to emotionally breakdown as he begins to say that he remembers what happened and the pain he caused....so dark...so good...
I don't think anyone made a reference to the old X-men because Logan didn't want to risk sparking a memory in Dr Xavier about how he was responsible for their deaths. They did hint at his being responsible for their deaths just before X24 kills him. He says he remembers what happened at the school. I think Logan was trying his best to protect Xavier from that horrific memory.
He's right. That's what they were saying. Xavier killed his students. Logan wasn't so much protecting Xaiver from the world, but rather the world from Xavier.
Logan and Xavier were talking about the incident and Logan cuts him short before he can actually say in words that he killed the other X-men, but he basically says it.
I thought it was obviously implied that Xavier killed the X-Men. It was an adaptation of Old Man Logan, except instead of Wolverine being the one, Professor X is the one who accidentally kills the X-Men.
They mentioned in one of the newscasts after the Casino hotel scene that the New York incident killed 7 mutants. Xavier may not have killed his school but the implication seemed to be that he did wipe out most of the X-Men.
The original X-Men movie came out in 2000, 18 years ago. If you were 14 when you saw that you are 32 now, the studios should understand that the people who grew up watching these characters (and the comic book fans as well of course) are old enough that an adult story appeals to them. Logan was perfect. I saw it in theaters twice and I've seen it a few times more after that. So good that just rewatching a trailer for it will get me close to tears because I remember the emotion from watching it.
After his seizure at the hotel, on the radio they talk about how back in Westchester there was a similar incident that injured 600 and killed 7 mutants, including the X.... and then Logan turns the radio off. So yes, Charles killed the X-Men.
I don't think it was as good as TDK. I think it's number two. You won't get that argument out of me. I saw both movies in the theater, at completely different times in my life. One was a 14 year old boy who learned what acting was, through Heath Ledgers performance as the Joker. Not to mention the tension that himself and Christian Bale created. The other side of the spectrum, a 22 year old "man", who balled like a bitch, who watched 17 years of his fandom unfold. That's two completely different things, sure. But I can put my biased for Hugh Jackman and Pattrick Stewart and the roles they played aside. I love both movies. But I don't see myself rewatching this nearly as much as I do TDK.
This movie also tackled the bullshit trope that you can just drive through a chain link fence. What amazing and plausible action! Loved every minute of this movie.
About Xavier killing those X-Men, it IS in the movie. After Oklahoma incident, In background radio in the car we can hear "similar to Westchester incident year ago, where hundreds were paralized and 7 X-Men died"
Xavier killed his children.
15:30 - They hint on the radio after they left Vegas that Charles killed the X-Men. It is what charles is talking about before weapon 24 does his thing.
The director confirms that is the case. He even filmed it, but took it out as it would have taken away from Logan's story.
I think the best way to reintroduce Logan back to the screen with a new actor would be to make a Secret Wars movie. We already have a majority of established characters, and room to introduce more. I would have James Mangold direct, then have Stephen McFeely , and Mark Bomback do the screenplay, and use Jim Shooter to oversea the fine tuning of details. I think that would be epic
Before we check this out --- If we play the drinking game to whenever Kevin Smith says he cried,, teared up, got glassy, got choked up, etc. will we get drunk sooner or later?
The alleged death of the X-Men is on a radio broadcast. It mentions an incident in Westchester and the deaths ofa number of people "and 6 mutants" before Logan turns it off.
I loved the hell out of Logan. This movie makes the MCU look like the DCU by comparison.
You said something about the "Westchester incident." I've now seen the movie twice and there's definitely a subtle nod to the fact that Professor X killed the X-Men. They say something on the radio that's cut off. the dialogue is something like "Several dead including 24 members of the....." then it trails off.
Imagine if it was Danny DeVito instead of Hugh Jackman in Logan XD
I love the fact that he keeps the samurai blade with him.
On his wall in his room.
Love the reference.
After the Casino scene on the radio the voice talks about the 'incident.' First he states a number of injured, then he clearly says 7 died. It cuts out right as he's saying the 'X-men.' Though he never gets the actual words out. But 7 dead. Storm, Cyc, Beast, Jean, Iceman, Colossus, Rogue. The X-men...dead :(
Pass the tissues... this film was pure emotional gold. "Snict" "Snict"
Good review, but as a fellow comic book geek, when you brought up the inevitable reboot of Wolverine, I'm surprised you don't bring up the possibility that X-23 becomes the new Wolverine. I would love that, as Dafne Keen was awesome in Logan and I would love to see her put on the yellow spandex, as the character does in the comics.
Logan is the closest we'll ever get to a superhero Western. It has the same feel as the original True Grit or Unforgiven, with a shout-out to the super posse from Butch & Sundance. Dark anti-heroes that is brutal not just in the violence but in the emotional toll it takes and injustice it doles out.
Just found this channel. Had no idea that kevin smith was this much of a movie fan.
Admit it Kev, it took this long to review because just thinking about some parts still bring the tears!
They really knocked it out of the park with this one, I would have liked Logan and Charles to get a Vito Corleone moment and have some resemblance of peace just for a short period of time. For me its one of the best superhero movies alongside the dark knight. When Laura turns the cross into an X that made me cry a little, the x-men we all grew up with are dead and we won't ever so those actors play those characters again.
I lost it when Logan calls out to Lauren in such a fatherly voice! I miss my dad and can so relate to that!
Logan and Days of Future Past are by far the best X-Men movies!
Marc and Kevin can highlight the hope and joy of a movie that is very tragic. With everything happening in the US maybe they should present the News.
LOGAN: Budget $97m, Total Box Office $537m (as of 25th March)
The first X-Men movie set the standards for the modern superhero movie and now Logan set the standard for the mature superhero movie.
If there ever was an "old man batman" movie, it would likely have lots of dialogue. Now where could we find a writer/director who is really good at dialogue, who also happens to like - no, LOVE - comic books, and Batman in particular? Perhaps a fat man.
This project is crying out for you , Kevin. Also, Ming is the Mingest Ming who ever Minged.
"that girl" is Dafne Keen, Kev 😉
At the end, after what Logan did. I heard in my head Colossus speech to Deadpool about what means to hero, those 4 or 5 moments.
Logan has a lot of subtle horror elements. Both the Prof. X stuff they talk about, but also the fact that X-23 is going to suffer the same poisoning as Logan did and probably die in her 50s, at the latest. And also the general state of the world is an outright dystopia.
True that...Dude I cried at the end, and then I had to go to work, and I was funky the rest of the day. And really, his last words "So this is what it feel like" ....F'n BALLS! And gawd ...GAWD... DAMN....if Patrick Stewart doesn't deserve an Oscar Nod
Yo dudes, the movie did say that Charles killed the xmen. On the radio after they're driving away from the vegas incident, before they help gather the horses, the radio announcer says Charles is responsible for the Westchester incident that also killed 7 members of the xmen. Just thought you should know.
Logan was the best character study we got in a live action comic book film.
The MCU is Easily the gold standard of superhero movies. Winter Soldier is my favorite movie in the MCU... yet it's only my 3rd favorite superhero movie behind The Dark Knight and Logan side by side. And as much as I Loved Winter Soldier, there's a MASSIVE gap between The Dark Knight/Logan and Winter Soldier--it's That Amazing!!
The seizure scene at the casino was awesome!
Dafne Keen, Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman all had borderline nomination performances. Whether they get the nomination or not will probably depend on what their competition ends up being. If this year doesn't provide a ton of great acting performances, I can definitely see 1 or 2 of these guys getting a nod. I hope. Movie was badass and needs recognition.
I feel like Star Trek Generations gets a bad wrap. I LOVE that film. I love every bit of what it has to say about getting older, having adventures, and facing death as the final adventure. It's a beautiful film and it's the perfect way to say goodbye to Captain Kirk. Love it, love it, love it.
Might want to see the theories that the Nerdist channel talked about. That Wolverine was the one who killed several Xmen like the radio mentioned in the film, but didn't name who did it. If you go back to when he first goes to see Charles, when he goes to leave you hear Charles say "What have you done?!" Just a suggestion. The theories seemed pretty interesting.