Why Robert Vs Rhaegar Was The Most Epic Fight Ever 😲
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- Did you know in the books the Rhaegar and Robert battle on the Trident was epic? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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“Gods I was strong”
He would have smashed Mountion to peaces with his hammer if he was younger self.
@@timexyemerald6290 mountain is even bigger than robert.
@@scratthesquirrel5242 doesn’t matter that hammer would crush him
WINE
@@timexyemerald6290 Yeah, Good joke buddy!! Keep it up lmao😂🤣...
"Caved in his breastplate, probably shattered every rib he had"
every. single. one.
Gods the writing was strong then!
Rhaegar deserved it
@ucnguyenanh9414 how?
@@WhamBamTySam A very long list that requires a potato.
1, Disrespected his loving wife in the Tourney at Harrenhal.
2, Abducted/eloped with Lyanna Stark, indirectly causing the death of her brother and father and their entourage.
3. Abandoning his wife Elia and her children. And in the show he annulled her marriage to get to Lyanna.
4. Had the audacity to lead 10,000 Dornishmen to their death after abandoning their Princess.
5. Ordered 3 of his Kingsguard to guard Lyanna. Later endangered Ned and Howland and got 5 other Northmen killed (who were Lyanna and Ned's mutual friends by the way).
6. By marching to the Battle of the Trident, he was guilty of attempted murder on his new Brother-in-law (Ned- if R+L actually wedded), and cousin (Robert).
7. Left his lawful wife Elia and her children unguarded, causing their subsequence death, while he could've assigned 1 or all of the three KG in the Tower of Joy to protect them instead.
"Imagine a king who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight?"
They all use to that it ended with Henry the fifth if I got that right the hollow king . Remember tsarina Catherine the great in late 1700s led her army at front of battlefield. How throne’s succession were resolved if thier was a dispute on battlefield from each faction of noble family. Not like today where political leaders hide from media let alone anything looking like combat. Probably none been married nothing prepares you for battle like marital combat. any of them married? Marital combat some tongues are sharper than any sword you likely to meet. With its edge covered in lemon juice!!!
The most stupid line ever written, it was a common thing for kings to fight in war plus most of the characters in Troy are Kings.
@@joshuagrammi183yeah but most of them "fought" from the back line where they weren't in any serious danger lmao.
Lmao, Harald Hardråd fought his wars, Athelstan the first king of England fought his wars, and, funny enough, Agamemnon is described fighting in the front lines with his warriors, he even receives a wound in his arm.
-printh- king charles III ... lol
The Barristen Selmy disrespect is crazy 😂
This clip is total bullshit. The guy just made shit up. ASOIF explicitly says Selmy was considered the best tourney knight in Kingdom, and that Rhaegar surprised everyone when he not only entered a tourney, but won.
The guy is ripping off @loreramble almost word for word. Wow, that’s stolen valor.
@Dadecorban And we also know that selmy was an "artist who painted only in red".... It's a pretty legendary quote, even if only one person ever heard it spoken.
@@Dadecorbanwhat did he make up?
@@DadecorbanSelmy literally said he allowed him to win the tourney at Harrenhall
Speed build VS strength build
Speed: Combo, combo, combo
Strength: *C R I T I C A L H I T*
This was hilarious 🤌🏾😂
I learned playing tge witcher that speed almost always beats strength unless the opponent is way over powered. Felt it when I went with a lv 10 witcher against a lv 22 Griffin.
@@hasanrahman9366more like speed wins as long as it can avoid getting hit. STR only needs 1 or 2 hits to win.
it's a recurring theme of the setting that strenght beats speed
@@Scarletraven87 except oberyn vs the mountain, 2 hits & game over
Ik we know about 90% of what happened but I would love to see a mini series about the rebellion
I agree. The would be another great spinoff.
Too bad they’re gonna put that off until after The Dance and probably Blackfyre Rebellions….
I think it gives away too many secrets George hasn’t told us
Actually much of Robert’s Rebellion is entrenched in mystery and vague statements. We know the gist of it, but there aren’t many details about it. I would LOVE a series about Robert’s Rebellion, especially since all my favorite ASOIAF characters are either dead by the series start or were in their prime during Robert’s Rebellion, including Robert himself lmao
They can easily make it a 2-3 season spinoff! And who wouldn’t want to see it. All of the main story’s heroes in their prime! Barriston, Dayne, Ned, Robert, Rhaegar, Jaime, Tarly and anyone else I missed lol
"I caved in his chest! Hit him so hard it knocked the rubies from his armor into the river...... They call it the "Ruby Ford" now!
It's one of my all-time favorite lines ever.
God's, I was strong back then!
My favorite line from him in the show when he slapped Cersei for insulting him in front of Ned Stark.
Cersei: "I shall wear this as a badge of honor!" (Referring to her bruised cheek)
Robert Boratheon: "Wear it in silence, or I'll honor you again." 😂😂😂
@@shawnathan89💀💀💀
@@shawnathan89 Stannis and Robert are really cut from different kinds of wood
Robert Baratheon was an absolute BEAST back in his day. Definitely one of the strongest fighters in Westeros. And one hell of a general too. Won 3 battles in just one day. I believe that Lord Randall Tarly, leading the Tyrell host, had given him his only loss of the war.
People forget that this was after 3 battles. Which clearly gave Tarly the advantage. A fresh Baratheon army beats the Tarlys any day. The Stormlands followed by the North and Dorne; produce the best warriors!
@@gentlemanjaxx Tarly leading the knights of the reach would still give them a great battle but I agree
@@gentlemanjaxxthe battle against Tarly & the Tyrell forces was actually the first of the major battles in the Rebellion
Yep, old Randy really F'ed Robert in the keester with that one.
@@scottsge
It was barely a battle, more like a skirmish considering Robert’s forces did not contest against their forces (aware that they were only the vanguard and the main force was close behind).
I loved all of the little passages in the books where they mentioned that some of the rubies from his breastplate were probably still in the shallows of the Trident
"Ruby Ford"
Funny how Arya just casually finds a ruby while their there
@@mrscaryfox3955în the series?
@@mrscaryfox3955does she? I’ve never watched that far into the show but I don’t remember that being in the books
@@joshuah.4496 I think in the first book, when Ned and Robert took rest stop in the trident, Arya and Micah was asked what they were doing near the river, by Ned if I remember corectly, she answered finding rubies.
Rhaegar was a good fighter, but he started training seriously a bit later than other nobles of his age. He, by no means, 'The Greatest Knight in Westeros', even discounting Dayne, there was Selmy, and many others before him.
this is what I was thinking. Barristan straight up
he started training at 12 years old.......and as a prince probably had the best trainers in the realm, rhaegar is basically a medieval bruce wayne, it isn't out of place to guess that he was actually a great fighter ......robert was injured at the end of the battle which imply like the fight was closer than it seems
@glorilol9546 Close enough since Robert Baratheon relied on Ned Stark to continue leading the rebellion in support of his claim to the Iron Throne.
Considering what Ned discovered soon after regarding his sister, then it is a good thing since he could keep his promise to her, and Robert would never learn the truth.
@@glorilol9546 the point of contention isn't whether Rhaegar was a great fighter, he won the Harrenhal tourney afterall, but the claim that he was the greatest knight in westeros is put under heavy scrutiny, and with very good reason. Rhaegar was well liked and respected for his skills in a tourney, but that's not the same as him being the greatest knight in Westeros.
@@tatalsabaprobably greatest in fame at that time, also he was more then good with a lance likely how he first injured Robert with the charge
Some men are great soldiers, others great leaders. Rarely is a man both. Robert proved this.
Yeah...he was never to lead a country...Men, yes!
he was a good commander, but was actually a terrible leader as the entire plot of GoT is him screwing everything up, and Jon Arryn trying to piece together why everything is falling apart.
He was a good commander but a terrible king just look how much in debt they owe the iron bank😂😂
@@viewer8734 The debt thing could actually be attributed to little finger, constantly bankrupting the crown by his own means.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues Robert actually has all the abilities to be a good king if you come to think of it, the problem is he stopped caring after Lyanna died.
Not a single person in the books even insinuates that Rheagar was even close to the greatest knight in Westeros.
The only thing applied is that he was very skilled at jousting.
Wich by no means backs the videos claim. As he clearly got defeated quiet easily by Robert in a proper duel.
He also proved to be a poor Gendral by marching his forces through a River in the trident. Instead of using it tacticly.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm No. It's never implied or said. When Rhaegar actually entered the tourney at Harrenhal (oh surprise, he paid for it, and the final challengers were all his friends or kingsguard or his kingsgard friends), he surprised everyone. When he won, it was an even bigger surprise.
" The crown prince, who did not normally compete in tourneys, surprised all by donning his armor and defeating every foe he faced, including four knights of the Kingsguard. In the final tilt, he unhorsed Ser Barristan Selmy, generally regarded as the finest lance in all the Seven Kingdoms, to win the champion's laurels. "
@@frazieromondi9331 maybe Robert never killed Rhaegar in single combat maybe Rhaegar tried to negoate with Robert which resulted him dying on the Trident..
Rheagar not sure why he gets so much fan hype he abandoned his wife and children to chase after a teenage girl then proceeds to trick and kidnap her.
Sat by idly and lied to her while her family was killed and her war raged on.
Rhaegar was such a mystery of a character. Sometimes I love him and other times I hate him
He was selfish and only worthy of hatred
@@Ghastly_Grinnerwhy
@@Ghastly_Grinnernot at all true, the hell man
@@Ghastly_Grinnerbro he was no selfish, guy was just trying to fulfill the prophecy of the prince that was promised😅😅😅.
@@shabitamehta2110that’s selfish on how he believed himself invincible and incapable of wrongdoing because of that prophecy. He directly started the war when he could’ve did anything else and after the war started he spent most of it at the tower of joy R### the grey bride.
Did you know that in the books.... robert baratheon was ✨️massive✨️
HA! Yeah he was...
and yet disappointing
and the girls loved him
@@Dadecorbancry
@@Dadecorbanbro jealous
Rhaegar being the greatest knight of the time after Ser Arthur is hard to believe. He participated in one battle and died. He was a great tourney knight, but thats about it
Just a comment bait from the channel
@@spenserblake4720when does he ever say that
i mean he still seriously wounded Robert , wounded enough that je went to rest and hd to rely on Ned quite a bit. Which made sure that Jon survived upon found by Ned.
Possibly rhaegar was the better fighter on horseback, thats how he wounded Robert, and thought he cpuld take on an injured Robert 1on1 , But in 1v1 duel Robert is just too damm strong. He won the tourney too, not to mention he was tutored by the best swordmasters/whitecloaks from early age. He is basiclly for Robert what Sasaki kojiro is for Musashi's.
@@spenserblake4720why are you lying?
@@btchiaintkidding7837 don't mention the damn anime production this is an adult discussion
How come all of my kids look like Jaimie??
Ahh never mind.. "MORE WINE!!"
Gods that battle would be a sight to behold.
Can you imagine if someone/company was able to animate this battle using AI but of the highest quality...for the Oculus or Apple vision Pro???
You speak with the voice of Robert, OP.
or was over pretty soon.
You aren’t worried they’ll butcher it? Surely what you get from
The books should be enough for your imagining right? You don’t think it would just be another thing for the community to shit all over if they did?
But like, just that battle. Don't let these dumbasses ruin our domain like they did with HotD. Let's FORCE 😢the MORONS at HOB to keep it canon if we ever get it
HBO should make a series on Robert's rebellion
They’ve been talking about it for a while now but I feel like with HOTD and The Dunk and Egg series coming soon thy won’t for now anyways
@@dg6099 also they were in the talks of conqueror's story to... I think they may work this after 20 years😅
@mahadheermohamed6996 the conquerors story would only be a season long
YESS!!! Been saying this since season 1. What did we get instead? House of fucking Dragons? Who gives a rats ass? I want to see Robert in his prime!
@@dg6099I don't understand why? Viewers have a relationship with Robert Baratheon. Most people (who's not into the books) haven't got a clue who Dunk and Egg are. I'd prioritize Robert's rebellion if I was them.
I Love all the different depictions of that warhammer. A lot of them to me just look like a regular warhammer that’s just been lengthened or thickened a bit which makes it feel like it could be in a show.
I also kinda just want to see a young Robert cave in someone’s chest armor with it like he described to Ned back then. “Gods I was strong then.”
That would be so metal
That horse must be really strong to carry such a massive dude
War horses were breed for this, who knows if they were even normal in a world of dragons and magic
Ya need to see the biggest breed of horses, absolute units
@@lilramennoodle8056 What's the biggest breed?
😂😂😂 dude probably learned gravity magic
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 The biggest breed are Frisians.
Symbolically, Robert can represent an ancient horned god, one of storms, that fights a dragon of chaos, as Rhaegar was the Last Dragon and his actions had lasting chaotic effects.
When Daenerys witnessed Rhaegar's death, she only knew it was a woman's name he spoke with his dying breath. It's not stated which woman, wither Lyanna or Elia. It might have even been his daughter's name.
Gods, he was strong then
I don’t know if it was actually said, or if it was just heavily implied. But it’s also pretty well thought that the rubies on Cersei’s funeral gown are some of the rubies that broke off of Rhaegars breastplate when Robert killed him.
If true, that would be very creepy and 100% in charackter for Cercei. That woman is just something else.
Something tells me, if Rhaegar was still alive, Cercei would spend her day stalking him and fantasising about being married to him like when she was a kid...
She was obsessed with Rhaegar and supposed to marry him before he sidelined her at the last minute for Elia. (Then he pretty much passes her over again by choosing Lyanna as his second wife.) She’d do something like wear his rubies and feel some kind of entitlement to his memory.
@@annavictrix Small correction: King Aerys chose Ellia over her, to spite Tywin. Rhaegar had no say in who he had to marry. Although in hindsight, he propably dodged an arrow with Cercei.
But your right, she was and still is obsessed with him.
@@blackspark5218 also tywin had rejected elia/oberyn marraige with jamie/cersie so thier parents also spited tywin
Really don’t think I’d have any last words if my lungs were caved in, kind of need them to speak.
Rhaegar was a knight, Robert was a BEAST
To be fair Rhaegar was more of a poet and artist than a Knight, he apparently took to Knightly endeavours like a fish to water, but it was never what he was known for.
Plus all his combat experience was related to tournies and not actual war. By the time Robert met Rhaegar at the Trident, the former had been fighting for months in brutal conflict, and was at his absolute pinnacle of combative skill, meanwhile Rhaegar had never fought someone with the intent to kill him on an actual battlefield.
This difference in experience is, why, I think that Rhaegar used a sword and Robert used a hammer. The sword, to Rhaegar, was probably a weapon of myth and legend, something that the songs demanded a knight use, but unless it was the Morning Star that Arthur Dayne used, which could cut through anything apparently, that's a terrible weapon for fighting another warrior in high quality plate. Meanwhile Robert had a massive Warhammer, which could have easily caused lethal injuries on any location it landed, smashing bones and crushing organs even through the armor Rhaegar wore.
If anything the fact the fight went on for so long suggests that Rhaegar was more than an equal, he just wasn't experienced enough to actually win the fight.
Think this is a pretty good take.
There's a reason why when plate armor became more readily available historically, the men fighting wars moved away from swords and started using warhammers, maces, and pole axes like the halabred. Blunt force trauma from them would absolutely wreck you no matter how thick your armor was. So id say you're absolutely right.
Man i need an animated game of thrones battle with these two, the story art is so iconic.
I think Rhaegar shared the secret that Lyanna actually chose to marry him, and even if Robert didn't immediately believe it, those words haunted him
I agree. Probably something along the lines of "I was there first you fat fuck" 😂
Robert was an absolute unit in his prime, probably one of the strongest fighters in all of the seven Kingdoms
It’s still a crime that we haven’t seen this fight, let alone the whole rebellion, in live action or animation
The only way it could be done right would be through Animation a la the style from the first Castlevania series! Ohhhhh...my
It’s probably for the best that we don’t see it. It would never live up to what readers imagine in their heads and that lack of context makes all of the characters who survived the rebellion more interesting.
Not very epic to see anyway. Robert just shrug off every strike from Rhaegar and deals blows after blows at the vile prince.
@@ucnguyenanh9414 Rhaegar wounded Robert in the fight. It’s why he sends Ned ahead to secure the Iron Throne instead of immediately traveling to King’s Landing in person.
@@dngn4774 Robert fought Rhaegar with "the fury of ten men". Robert didn't even notice his injuries until Rhaegar laid dead.
If Rhaegar can only inflict wounds that ignorable by adrenaline, it's not that epic of a fight. Though it would be satifying to see jerk prince choke when he lungs were crushed.
However, the battle of Trident would certainly be epic.
I actually highly suspect Rhaegar is over-hyped as a fighter. What even are his accomplishments? Being trained by Arthur Dayne and winning a single torney, and that's pretty much it. He even started his warrior training in earnest considerably later in life than most Westerosi nobles, only after he became convinced that he has a role to play in the prophecy. Much about Rhaegar was smoke and mirrors, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for his combat prowess too.
He had no Cred
His only feat is injuring Robert under a very chaotic battlefield situation which we do not know any of the details of, and his fanboys milk it so hard 😂
@@holypaladin4657 I mean, it was single combat toward the end; Robert describes it that way himself. And he walked away, but with injuries severe enough to where Ned had to take the lead.
Saying "the battle was chaotic" cuts both ways, and is therefore not really a meaningful factor since it's equalized. Robert won, but Rhaegar hurt him pretty badly in the process, and that's pretty much the only solid fact we know.
Just being able to give Prime Robert a hard fight makes him arguably in the top ten fighters during this time period, but it's still far from the greatest.
@@Lardo137
It doesn’t cut both ways, because at the end of the day we *know* Robert is a superhuman beast, but apart from this fight we have no indication that Rhaegar is anywhere near that level. Whatsoever.
I’m not saying that Robert was swarmed and Rhaegar had people attack him in the middle of the duel, what I’m saying is that Robert could have been fatigued, already with minor wounds or injuries etc, and that this is more plausible than the other way around because this was Rhaegar’s first battle of the war, unlike Robert. On top of this we can infer from Robert’s character that he may have been quite reckless in his pursuit of Rhaegar and picked up some problems along the way.
Rhaegar injured Robert, but Robert sent his own maester to Barristan (instead of being under some intensive care situation) and may have only been a couple of days behind Ned considering I believe he also saw the corpses of Elia and her children before advanced putrefaction, though I would have to double check to be sure.
The targaeryans in general were overrated. All they had was dragons and when they lost those they were easy enough to kill
Oh we gone ignore Ser Barristan and the Old Bull I see
Fancy little Prince means angry ex boyfriend.
@@TrollinFromFlaskmet
Except that Robert had never even once in relationship with lyanna and Rhaegar was far from little. He was 6'2 and had the body of a warrior despite spending most of his time reading books
@@viewer8734and he still got fucking rolled
@@viewer8734 the pompous little prince who felt entitled to do as he pleased offended someone who dwarfed him, had a hammer that weighed as much as his breastplate, and who’s family motto is “Ours is the fury”. Describe him as you like, Dead. In front of his whole army, before any of his kings guard had been felled Robert carved a path to him and shattered a steel breastplate.
@@rohangondorYou dream of getting filled with Roberts seed
Rhaegar is the greatest knight in all of Westeros ? Since when what did he do besides winning few tournaments were the other people took it easy on him because they didn't want to injury the crown prince, Bobby B on the other hand was an experienced fighter that was almost unparalleled he was aptly nicknamed the demon of the Trident
Yeah, him being the greatest knight is just this guy's way of making people comment on his video. He knows, and everyone else that's not true, but it'll definitely get people to comment.
" Bobby b" lmao ahah
Check Westerosi history as published by GRRM. Almost none of the major players, including Robert had any actual battle experience before Robert’s Rebellion since they were mostly really young men. So, just like Rhaegar, Robert only had ever shown his skills in tourneys. Now, by the Battle of the Trident, Robert had been In several battles and lost only one to Randall Tarly, but we’re literally just talking like three or four battles, as far as training there’s no reason to think Robert had a lot on Rhaegar in terms of experience. His advantage was due, I think, to size, strength and weapon of choice.
Jaime only was only in three battles in his life, first when he was 16, then years later when he fought in the Greyjoy Rebellion then one battle in the War of 5 Kings. Other than that he fought in tourneys where people took it easy on him because his dad was Tywin as well as the Hand of the King, and lotta people say he's the best swordsman post the death of Ser Dayne. Ser Dayne was even against knighting Jaime after his first battle or even letting him join the Kingsguard but Aerys ordered him to anyways. Even the White Book only had like half a page written about Jaime. The book says Rhaegar was the best knight of his time the same way they say Jaime is the best knight of his time. Js
@@mariapdr3261 the battle of Gulltown the there battles of Summerhall , the battle of Ashford , the battle of bells and the Trident he fought in thick of it the experience make all the difference between Gulltown and the Trident about year where Robert had been fighting while Rhaegar was sleeping with a minor
God, I really wish to see, just what really happened at the Trident.
Anything and Everything about this Rhaegar dude is mystery after mystery, right from his Birth to Death lol...
Rhaegar was hardly the greatest fighter in Westeros. As you stated, Arthur Dayne with Dawn is the best. Behind him is Barristan Selmy. Then Jaime. After that, we have the White Bull, who was old but still a very skilled fighter and the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Rhaegar is maybe the 5th best.
When Barristan is disguised as Arlan Whitebeard, he speaks to Dany and Jorah about Rhaegar. And when Dany says that Rhaegar was the best, Barristan mentions that beating knights at a tourney with a lance is not the sign of a great fighter.
And you're also discounting something. A war hammer is like the perfect weapon against plate armour, while a sword is a sub-par weapon to fight against any armoured knight. Robert only has to get in that one good hit to kill or incapacitate his opponent, meanwhile, no matter how many blows you land, Rhaegar cannot ever cut through plate and maille with a sword. It's practically impossible.
Jaime was 16? At that time hardly considered the "best"
Strong Bellwoss
Jamie was a talented warrior. But he definitely wasn’t one of the best by any means.
@@cautarepvp2079 My man googled "greatest swordsman and Westeros" and then came on here with all the information he just learned in 10 minutes lol.
@@cautarepvp2079 Jamei was skilled enough to be named King's Guard at 16. The means he was an insanely talented swordfighter for his age and had probably surpassed many men older than him already.
The greatest swordsman vs 120 pounds of steel
Rhaegar is not the greatest swordsman. By this point in the series it is explicitlty stated that Sir Arthur Dayne is the best swordsman
Honestly one came armed to fight peasants, one came armed to kill knights.
A man in full plate is, with a few exceptions, basically immune to swords (they actually developed tactics historically of using a sword's hilt as a club vs armour). A warhammer however is basically ,with few exceptions (specific spiked weapons that can penetrate) the perfect weapon for defeating full plate.
This fight was decided the moment they were on the ground.
@@cgi2002 yep, not only that, Robert warhammer was so heavy that few warriors could barely carry it with two hands yet Robert easily handled that warhammer with one hand. Thats the kind of beast that Robert was on the battlefield. Only fools would believe that Rhaegar had any chance
@@drml91Rhaegar literally slipped in the ford and that's when Robert caved in his chest 😂 he also dealt a serious enough wound that Robert had to sit out the rest of the campaign but sure he never stood a chance.
@@WileeCoyote1516 >Slipped
Excuses, two men fought and only one was killed. Robert DEFEATED him
Imagine if Hodor's aka Wylis's mind was restored and he had received proper training? Give him this hammer and send him to mess up the Mountain😂
True but that would mean we'd lose the gentle loveable giant we all know and love as Hodor
@@spongeyspikes09 we already lost him in a move that made his existence pointless. And?
The Mountain was still bigger and stronger than Hodor although when Bran warged into Hodor he did briefly become an almost unstoppable fighting force.
@@Mathemagical55 he was taller. Stronger part is questionable as Mountain didn't train or even do manual labour. Meanwhile Wylis was as wide as he was tall.
Robert still my favorite character even though he gets like 5 episodes.
As much as I love Ned, I felt the death of Robert as more of a loss in the books. Just really missed him, and I liked his regretful ruminations
@@Onigirli I loved listening to his stories it was so much fun
When he first mentions Rheagar lost I was like "yeah cause Robert caved in his freaking chest" 😂
They should have done a series of the rebellion instead of the dance of dragons
I said this from day 1 and they only did the dance because of the dragons fighting each other 🙄 if we being honest and you understand Westeros history their where several better stories that they could’ve brought to life.
@@hitman29hardiman54 yeah I totally agree with you if they didn’t want to do the rebellion why not the rise and then the doom of valyria would have been so much better if they wanted to bring more dragons in to it imagine a series that took what were shepherds to then becoming the the masters of dragons and how they was able to bind the dragons to there blood and then what brought on the doom could have been amazing
@@hitman29hardiman54 imo it should have been dunk and egg, only 3 eps sure but thats it. this hotd is going to go for multiple seasons but since noone can write got dialogues (seriously) better than grrm, it is going to suck
There is not a book about the rebellion for them to follow so no it wouldn't have made sense at all.
@@WileeCoyote1516 it’s call imagination and George R Martin is still alive so he could’ve been done easily.
Rhaegar embodies the quote "everybody will respect the shooter, but the one in front of the gun lives forever."
Nobody says that but gangbangers.
Only morons take life lessons from rap songs.
God, Robert’s armor is so fucking cool
Rhaegar was far from the greatest knight in Westeros.
He was direct descendant of thor by all means . Truly a storm born
Robert is such a good example of a tragic character, would have loved to see him go out like a badass but that doesn’t really fit in ASoIaF’s theme and I respect Martin for not going fan service on us. Still though would have loved to see Robert take somebody on like Ser Gregor or The Hound or even Jaime even if he would have ultimately lost. Hopefully we’ll get a scene like that in The Dunk and Egg series with proto Robert aka Ser Lyonel Baratheon aka The Laughing Storm
Anyone else wish Rhegar didn't die. He was seemingly the perfect Prince, Knight, king...
It is all about the decadence.
Robert was a soldier, he was super fit and was always clean shaved. Some people have brute force like the mountain, some people have the discipline like Jaime. Robert had both, very few people could stand a chance.
The moment the war is over and his love lost, he was already dead.
Wish we could see it
"Most epic fight ever."
Just you wait until Gwayne Corbray vs Daemon Blackfyre gets adapted fr. Not many duels get as much praise as their nearly hour long fight. (We need that shit for the full 53.7 minutes and in a single take.)
"-whenever Blackfyre and Lady Forlorn clashed, you could hear the sound for a league around. It was half a song and half a scream-."
Ned actually commented that he believed Robert to be the only one capable of wielding Ice in combat.
Do you happen to remember when that was?
I hope we get an animated ASOIAF series one day
We don’t know if he said Lyanna’s name… He said a woman’s name, could be Elia or Rhaenys or Rhaella
If you're referring to Dany's vision, wouldn't she react differently to that? Seems strange that she would think of those as just "a woman's name".
@@perlundgren7797 we only know Rhaegar said a woman’s name before dying because of Dany’s vision in her POV chapter
@@allisonargent2209 Exactly, but that implies that it's a name that doesn't mean anything to her. If a Targaryen-looking guy mentioned any of the above you'd expect her reaction to be a bit more "Holy crap, is he talking about my mother/sister-in-law/niece?!". Now it's just: "Yup, that's a name you can have. Next."
@@perlundgren7797 Lyanna would be mentioned in various instances of Viserys retelling the "tragedy" of his House. So chances are Dany would know her.
@@perlundgren7797but Daenerys knows of Lyanna Stark, Viserys knew as well. They knew who Rhaegar abducted
Rhaegar being the greatest knight in the realm doesn’t mean he was the best fighter, it was everything else about him that elevated him to great.
Game of thrones should be a rated R animated series that way they can adapt everything from the books
"Bold of you to bring a sword to a hammer fight." - Robert Baratheon
Hmm...In addition to Rhaegar not being remotely close to one of the best knights in Westeros, we also don't actually know the name that Rhaegar whispered in his dying breath. It's a theory/assumption that he actually says Lyanna Stark's name, but it could also be his wife's name he said. Most likely Lyanna's of course, but we're never told whose.
Lol I don't think Rhaegar was 2nd to Arthur with knights like Barristan still out there. And Robert was a beast not just because of his size but he is a talented warrior.
This is why dragons value more than millions of humans. I hope Viserion doesn’t get sacrificed in the books.
We need a mini series, just four, 1 hour episodes of this event
Can't wait to have them put a non binary trangender person of color as Robert when they finally make the series!!! it'ss be soooooooooooooo awesome!!!!!!! it won't suck at all!!!!!!!!!
Yeah or they’ll retcon Robert and say he was secretly gay all along. 😂
Can't wait for the wired fangirls to ship robert and ned or worse Robert with Rhaegar
@@hawk66100 imagine Bessie being a man 😂
As much as I dislike most of GRRM's writing, one thing I love that he did is the description of how Robert killed Rhaegar. Nobody in the books ever says "Robert defeated Rhaegar". They almost always say "Robert SMASHED Rhaegar" when referencing the Battle of the Trident.
Why dislike his writing?
@@user-id7nk2yz9q bro dislikes it, but still reads his books xd Talk about trying to be different.
@@tamim9266 he may really like the story, but hate the style of prose
@@user-id7nk2yz9qIts one of the best writing styles I've come across. Seeing how books like Fourth Wing/Iron Flame have 4+ star reviews, and how so many people say the writing is so amazing, I just don't care about others and their opinions. It means nothing. They will praise a pile of shit, then think a masterpiece is trash.
I hate it when a warriors last words are their loved ones it's so unrealistic. I cannot imagine someone thinking anything else than if they're gonna die or survive in their last moments
Then you’ve never really been in love. It’s ok.
"They never tell you how they all shit themselves. They don't put that part in the songs."
- Bobby B
Robert was so much stronger than Ned that’s why he was king regardless if Ned wanted the throne or not as mention in GOT during Cersei and Neds conversation.
Robert was even respected by Ser Barristen.
He was very strong and wasn’t a cruel person, just a bad king. He fought for what he believed was right defending his women from a kidnapper which we all know is not true but he believed it was. His fight was noble
Rhaegar was a jerk. Poor Princess Elia and their two children should have been his last words.
I need the name of the music in the background?
You can’t leave out our boy Barriston like that!
Robert was the mountain of his day
Bobby B had the motivation and the fury.
Rhaegar was too tied up in his prophecies to win a war.
Rhaegar was playing for the end game.
@@AstroSully not well clearly.
@@AstroSully Rhaegar was playing for being the loser he always was.
all hail the usurper
what I love about Rhaegar's character is how he's dead by the time Game of Thrones starts and goes on and his presence is still felt and shaped the story without him even being there and you don't even get flashbacks
Good for Robert, I can't imagine any spoilers about Rhaegar that don't make him a selfish bastard who had it coming.
He had it coming
Cry more, hater
Would love to see a mini series with Eddie Hall cast as Robert Baratheon
Ew no
Robert is supposed to be hella handsome
Robert is meant to look like superman
If we want a body builder to play him, cbum would be a better fit. But i doubt he can act at all.
Hope they'll make a series about Robert's rebellion
Robert was a beast. Tall and strong, hell of a fighter. And weapon of choice of warhammer isnt for knightly conduct but for gettingnit done
What I love about GoT is that it's all pretty much written based on eye witness accounts or maesters accounts of the events so what we read may not be exactly true it could be a case of Chinese whispers or biased based on the person's allegiances so we may never know the exact truth of any events that take place
That is probably what any potential prequel series would illustrate.
Not true. Only for Fire and Blood. Not the main series where he literally see POV characters.
They totally chose the wrong actor to play Robert. Dude was almost shorter than Ned.
They should've chosen Braun strowman ( pro wrestler with a big build)
@@forzack9363they made season 1 between 2008 and 2010 , nobody knew that Braun even existed
Nah, the acting is what mattered, that's why it worked so well no one cares about that small detail to get a worse actors that doesn't have that iconic look between rough and soft like Robert's actor had.
I think it was fine, the actor who played Robert was perfect for catching his character, just not his physique
Agreed, I always pictured someone like Ray Stevenson (Rome, Dexter, Punisher 2) as someone who fit the character of Robert.
There are certain fights that two opposite sides fight because it is what they have to do. Like Solid Snake vs Grey Fox. No hatred just fighting for your side. Or like Ned Star vs Arthur Dayne.
But then we have this. I think Robert was like Doom Slayer mode when he finally caught Rhaegar and kept swinging at him. Hell, with his rage, I am surprised he stopped beating Rhaegar. I would imagine he kept on hitting him until someone be like "Robert he is dead that is enough".
If only the producers made a GOT sequel after HOTD ends, and then add a flashback episode of "Battle of the Trident" and then cast Eddie Hall (6ft3in.) or Brian Shaw (6ft8in.) as Robert, their builds would portray Robert perfectly....daymn!!! If only!!!!
Rhaegar the greatest knight to ever live : didn't even fight anyone before the battle of the trident except tourneys.
Abandons his wife and children to the wrath of his father and later the rebels . Despite having enough support in kings landing to actually help them escape he never bothered and instead went to lyanna to have the promised child.
Unless u r Jamie lannister barristen selmy or Arthur. Facing Robert in his prime is a horrible life decision. Guess he thought the gods were on his side ahaha .
Rhegar was forced to come back after his mistake wifh lyanna. If he wasn't a coward the war could have ended sooner and less death but that's probably a good thing as robert showed them what a real man looks like and follow him while rhegar was as green as his boys in his army.
Also to any rhegar defender. He also led to his kids deaths meaning he failed prophecy 3 times showing he was a looney ans that's regardless of who aegon's lineage is being rhegars son. Black fire or a random valarian kid. Dude is the definition of "don't trust prophecy"
Rhaegar was a coont
he's the fecking prince and next in line to sit the iron throne,
If he'd wanted Lyanna as a second wife, He could have just SAID SO
Lord Stark would have thought it an Upgrade on Robert anyway,
Robert would have huffed , but he wouldn't have started a war without the support of the Vale and the North (and the Riverlands)
Rhaegar could have Bought Robert off by Pledging Princess Rhaenys to one of the Baratheon brothers , for when she was of age,
There was NO GOOD reason for there to be a war
@@farmerned6 Robert would never agree to that same with Ned his father Brandon and job arryn. Robert would challenge him to a duel and hammer time like little finger with Brandon.
Remember the tourney of harrenhal? You probably didn't but Brandon was ready to end rhegar while Robert pretended to not be insulted by the act as well as Ned who is way calmer was still annoyed. Even betristan didn't like it.
Rhegar would die sooner so that's the only positive I see and the dornish men would betray him immediately if they got ellia out of there or felt her line was gonna be removed from the throne.
Your comment is basically the mind set of the mad king and guess what? War happened anyways and rhegar never shows up until he was dragged back after being found.
@@farmerned6brilliant comment indeed
@@ivanbluecool Meh, in the show we learn that they secretly married and loved eachother, couldn't they just say all this opnely
@@cautarepvp2079D and d's fanfiction means nothing
I wish they made a show about this era. It would be so good.
Wouldve been an epic fight to see. Rhaegar was stated to be the greatest lancer in westeros, but was forced to use a sword when they fought on foot. In knee deep water no less that greatly favored Roberts fighting style. Would have loved to see them fight on solid ground to see what would happen.
rhaegar would win the 1v1 if he didn't have so much in his mind
He wouldn’t, Robert was an absolute fucking tank. He one hands a Warhammer so heavy Ned could barely lift it ffs.
Absolutely, Without a doubt lol....
Now that's hilariously delusional
@@dineshbalu6107delusional fan boy 😂😂
He was 1v1 and STILL got his chest CRUSHED.
It is pretty Obvious that apart from that one final blow, it seems that Rhaegar had the upper hand in that Fight. That massive wound of Robert easily explains this...
The upper hand can switch in a blink of an eye. When you're in a fight for your life and the adrenaline is pumping, Robert could have not even known he was injured that badly, if at all.
Rhaegar got owned by Robert in less than half a dozen moves. And no, Robert did not receive a massive wound. He was injured, but it is never said if Rhaegar was the one who injured him or one of the countless Loyalists that he fought to get to Rhaegar. Either ways he joined Ned in King Landing very shortly after.
That doesn’t make much sense, you’re basically implying that Robert got lucky with “one final blow.” You’re discrediting Roberts fighting prowess
All that matters is who walked away...with their chest and life intact.
@@MR.ZAYI1991Actually, Robert was wounded pretty badly, it’s just not mentioned whether it was from one major wound or several. It was the fact Robert was badly injured that had him send Ned ahead of him even though they were together at the Trident, so the fight must have been a close call up until that final devastating blow.
His last words were of Lyana. While Elia Martell was having her head smashed in for him.
Being the best knight don't mean your invincible. Plus, bro had a hammer, the perfect tool for killing knights in armor
As someone who has only ever read the books, watching these videos for me is like
"Did you know, in the books tyrion is actually a dwarf with mismatched eyes. He is also a Lannister, whereas in the show, he is an 8 foot tall goat that belongs to Theon Greyjoy, the king of Quarth. Another detail that was changed in the show, was the character of Viserys Targaryen. In the books, he's very cruel towards his sister Daenerys and hurts her. He also dies in the first book, wheras in the show, he's kind, beloved and generous character that is very shy but very lovable. He becomes the king of Winterfell after marrying Eddard Stark in season 11. As you can see, the books are slightly different "
I get that your joking on the yt but damn you lost me
Rhaegar was only better than some trained nobles his age. So the fight between him and Robert wasn't epic.
True. He doesn't know what he us talking about
@@herozero7484 He was only better than the Tarly boy who attempted to take out Robert. All nobles like Rhaegar receive combat training since childhood, so it's no surprise that Rhaegar was good at fighting. But he would never tap in the level of his Kingsguards and Robert.
I think Rhaegar thought he was a lot more badass than he was. Being a prince means winning any tournament you participate in because no one in their right man would ever purposely wound a prince. On top of that, he was obsessed with the idea that he was some kind of chosen one. In reality, just a big fucking dude with a hammer kicks your ass out of nowhere.
this is the kind of fantasy writing one can die for.
Like all things George, there is a hidden story here. Rhaegar was likely offering Robert mercy after injuring him, maybe even trying to explain Lyanna. Robert used that as his opportunity!
Yeah, a prefer this theory. I know people have said there were too many inconsistencies with Rhaegar's position on the battlefield. We know that Rhaegar was gathering allies FOR SOMETHING, but it fell apart. We know Arthur Dayne probably knew, and Jon Connington probably knows something.
Lmao headcanon. Martin himself said robert decided the battle during the trident when he hit rhaegar chest so hard it shattered the dude armor on horseback 🤣🤣
He also said Robert was the one charging at him too. Lmao what a coward rhaegar was
What stupidity. You think they say down and had a little chat with cups of tea around. Martin the AUTHOR said rhaegar was smashed by robert's strength. Too many rhaegar fanboys who thinks he's some god
And your evidence for this is what, exactly?
No. Robert crushed his chest in on horseback with his hammer.
Or he lost because he had something else on his mind like his pregnant secret wife
Bruh's out here making excuses for the blonde lil pedo
That should’ve caused him to fight harder imo
@@devynbrazier1883yep
Rhaegar never married Lyanna. The show isn't canon. The importance of JON's birth is mystical, NOT political. Marriage is irrelevant. Jon is a bastard of the Targaryens.
This battle was so legendary because for the first time stag slained dragon.
That sword duel in game of thrones was some of the best I seen in awhile everyone else looks like they should be holding wooden swords
Rhaegar was a tourney knight, and a royal one too. He thrived in the safe environment.
But there isn’t a tourney event for dodging warhammers
If I recall, they fought on a river, which pretty much negated Prince Rhaegar's speed, giving Robert the advantage because of his pure strength he could move around in the water much more efficiently and effortlessly. If I also recall, Robert was a much more intelligent commander and fighter too because he knew when to run, hide, or fight depending on the situation which I think was his whole game plan to keep Rhaegar in the river during the duel.
He ran away from Randall Tarly's force after he left Storms End because he knew he couldnt win. He hid and disguised himself and his men at the Battle of the Bells until Ned could reinforce him. Robert had a sneaky crazy good level intelligence for how powerful he was which I think surprised the Targaryen forces.
can i just point out that every illustration of the fight between robert and rhaegar goes hard as fuck?
Reminds me of a scene from the old Kevin Sorbo Hercules series where he's have a friendly sparring fight with his friend Aeolus. Aeolus is dancing circles around him, hitting him over and over, bragging about how he can land twenty hits for every one Hercules can. Then Hercules reminds him that he only needs the one hit. lol