Civil war is one of the best movies in the Mcu.....Secret invasion is a complete disgrace...Here's why Patreon - / jedibrooks117 Twitter - / jedibrooksyt
@@w_a_v_22 personally, i felt that he played Nick Fury same as his 'stephen warren' in Django unchained. The limp and all. The guy's got no variation. lol
That's what I do. Although I sometimes think it ended with Infinity War. They did Thor dirty in Endgame, and the final climactic battle was mostly just noise.
@@speakingwithoutnetAt least it makes sense that Thor got depressed, since he felt that Thanos was his failure and lost most of his people and family, but Fury turning into a useless old man oit of the blue makes 0 sense.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon yeah, but they could have done the depression better than turning him weepy and fat. Angry and authoritarian to keep his people safe would have been appropriate.
@@speakingwithoutnet That would be fine too, but they already did the angry man lashing out to the world with Hawk Eye, so I guess they didn't want to feel repetitive.
I feel like people moved on from the eye scratch in 'Captain Marvel' way too fast. Nick said the last time he trusted someone he lost an eye. I don't think he meant a cat somehow. There was a chance to do something incredible there and it was turned into a joke. That will never not piss me off.
I think cause it was one of the earlier payoffs that got weakened. It was early enough that it coulda have been seen as a "surprise", the occasional buildup to a joke. but when that started happening over and over it degrades the value of all of them.
Remember when his eye had meaning, when it symbolized the hell he must of gone through, when it was actually cool/scary to look at It's now a complete joke and everytime you see his eye you see a cute little kitty
@@uosdwiSrdewoH YES. It was in this moment that I completely and totally gave up all interest and hope in the MCU. It's a moment that always comes to mind when I think of the MCU and it just pisses me off all over again. haha
honestly perfectly encapsulates the mcu in its current state. Willing to give up a serious scene just for a stupid throw away joke. Its been a huge criticism of marvel since before they fell off and now it all but defines them.
What frustrates me is the lack of continuity. Loki discovering Kang and destroying the sacred timeline, nobody cares. Celestial being stuck inside earth since Eternals, nobody cares. People getting their souls sucked out by a giant Crocodile in Moon Knight, nobody cares. Wanda letting go of her kids in WandaVision, wants her kids back in Doctor Strange 2.
Loki and the celestials really hits cause you just don't see any real ripples except for the fact that kang first existed here. You could watch quantomania after a well worded sentence about kang as background. Its enough that it forces you to have some background but its neither great nor substantial. (also the rules of the multiverse are so screwy here, cause the Loki series definition doesn't work with what endgame did unless you claim someone got pruned for every travel in the time heist)
Watching Marvel go into a downward spiral from being one of the most respected and enjoyed movie franchises that would fill theaters to this abomination of a show is straight up sad and pathetic
@@mruziicakit wasn’t Disney.. marvel’s formula for tv shows wasn’t good they tried to shoot them look movies instead of spacing the show out and having at least 18-25 episodes like most shows
@@DreDay53 It wasn't Disney??? Of course it was. You think the shows would have been better with more episodes even though all the episodes were trash and pretty much filler??
What makes Secret Invasion even WORSE is that the director of the show, Ali Selim, went out of his way to have the freaking gaul to say Marvel fans have too many expectations.😠
it'd be more like if in Revenge of the Sith Anakin got burned *after* the fight with Obi Wan because while he survived perfectly fine he tried going after Obi Wan only for his ship to blow up when he tries starting it up leaving him sitting there in the crater like a cartoon character and then he turns to Palp and says "You got any bandaids?"
@@sawyerharrell1453 They think they are supporting feminisim but they are basically shitting on them with lame ass characters like Shuri and Ironheart, Captain Marvel, She Hulk... all done terribly
@@hypello9534 He get paid millions for seconds-long cameos, imagine actual movies and shows. Also explains why you just don't see characters interact anymore between movies, they cost so much (and writing too hard for whoever is in charge of the scripts)
@@napoleonbuonaparte8975not anymore, they’ve been having constant layoffs and people have been on strike for not being paid enough in the movie industry. They clearly exhausted any excess savings they may have had.
You know what my problem is, the skrulls, an alien race from space, ended up on Earth back in the 90s. Nick Fury and S.H.E.I.L.D were supposed to find them a new planet, right? Here's is my question: Humans all live on one planet. They have limited if any space flight capabilities... how the hell were humans supposed to help?! Nick Fury was not an astronaut!
@Ues2DC right... Carol Danvers, originally from Earth. Who left at the end of the first movie with a ship presumably full of the skrulls. 30+ years later, 0 progress and it's Fury on the hook?
Like at that point in the sereis Carol was the only one who is space fairing that he knows about, and if we discount the limited trips to the moon, the next time anyone of space fairing ability is well known on Earth is Thor in 2011, who isn't exactly someone Earth can commission for this. I have so many separate complaints about how the only bit of the universe with detailed interconnection is earth centric and now I am more reminded of them rip.
I think you nailed it with "none of characters reached its full potential" and "there is nowhere left to go". Good old times when simple battle on highway with no CGI or Steve vs Loki simple fight captured us. And boy, when you said Disney doesnt know how to write sympathetic villan..I remembered Loki in 2011 talking to Odin in the vault...Those were times when we were not only sympathising with villains, but also rooting for them.
I have to agree. Not saying he was in the right for killing innocents. But if I learned my entire life was a lie and I was part of the race who was taught to me as monsters and my biggest enemies, it would be pretty pissed too.
I agree with you on all points but the CGI. Marvel has had so many awesome CGI-heavy fights across its first three phases (I mean we're not docking Avengers for that are we?) that I think they've proven that having loads of CGI isn't the issue, having shitty writing, poor action directing, knowing when to use it, and underpaying your VFX artists is. The reason a lot of the more recent battles in the movies feel so hollow is because they haven't taken the time or patience to make the fights matter, and to make them believable. There's many reasons for this, like poor action direction, choreography, directing, writing and not paying their artists enough, but they all ultimately contribute to the same problem. CGI isn't the problem, but if the studios that animate it all don't get the time or funds to take their time with it it's going to look like shit. Similarly if the action directing isn't good then it doesn't matter how fancy your CGI is, the end result will be that your action is going to feel like it lacks value and impact. And then there is the problem that yeah, Marvel has kind of gotten fond of replacing everything with CGI, even stuff that shouldn't be, rather than using it for what it should be used for (anything that could not realistically be done or would not look good using practical methods). TL;DR: The reason Marvel's action looked and felt so much better in the past is because they've seemingly forgotten that CGI is a tool that needs to be used correctly, yes, but also because a lot of their recent writing and directing has also just been lazy and uninspired, further adding to the existing issues of action and battles just not hitting as hard as it used to.
That highway fight had a metric ton of CGI in it. The CGI itself is not the problem, it's the subpar writing, mediocre action choreography, and lack of proper planning in pre-production resulting in absurd amounts of rewrites and reshoots and impossible VFX deadlines before release
@@piscis210 yes nobody says Loki is innocent in this movie he did some bad stuff but the most evil guy Odin who lied to Loki his whole life and basicaly put brothers against each other and in the end even rejects Loki one last time as he hangs above the abyss,ends up as a good guy without any punishment and framed as a good father.
I know it’s not really the point of the video, but another touch on the Captain America vs Iron Man fight is how Tony had to make the countermeasures *right there.* Tony, as paranoid as he is, made countermeasures against Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, but *never* thought to make a counter against Cap until that moment. It shows just how much he trusted him above all else. It’s only after that fight that Tony focuses on a modular weapon system to always give himself a close range option. His most used formation being the shield.
What are the countermeasures that he took against Thor and Ant Man? Regardless, your point holds for Hulk, and it's a very interesting observation. As for Captain America: to what extent do you think Tony's lack of preparation was due to underestimating Cap's combat ability, rather than due to him having a unique trust of Cap?
@@mvmlego1212for your counter measures question, i’d say the “panels”(idk what they’re called) of the nano suit that allowed Thor’s lightning to charge the suit would be what he’s talking about, and the nano suit meant no gaps for Ant-Man to slide through like he did in CW
@@sublimescorpio230 -- Tony's lightning-proof suits preceded his fight with Thor, and it certainly preceded his nano-based suits. He developed it between Iron Man 2 (when he got whooped by Whiplash due to that weakness) and The Avengers.
@@mvmlego1212 yeah I know his suits were lightning-proof in general already, I was specifically referring to the “solar panel” type thing he had on the back of the nano suit that absorbed Thor’s lightning. He was surprised when Thor’s lightning charged his suit in Avengers 1, so I figured that wasn’t a Whiplash countermeasure(i don’t really know how to word this, I hope you at least got the point i’m trying to make)
This was also the time when Marvel writers were skilled enough to take a story beat they fleetingly mentioned in a previous movie and flesh out more and in a better way to make it the main conflict of the next film. Howard Stark and his wife dying to winter soldier is mentioned in the Zola memory bank scene in Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier, But it is honestly a blink and you'll miss it. Zola doesn't even name Howard Stark when his photo comes on screen while discussing all the victims of Winter Soldier. They took that mention and interwove it into the main conflict of Civil War so fucking well. Honestly the Captain America trilogy is the best movies out of all of the MCU sludge we've seen.
More of that, Ironman 2 literally revoles around the idea of the relationship between Tony and his father and how the fact that he was a literally Steve Jobs perjudicate Tony childhood. Is literally a old video of Howard the thing that ended motivating Tony to search and find a cure for his poisoining and save the world. Now you understand why Tony lose his fucking mind where he learns that his dad was killed in cold blood and your friend hid that to you. Marvel didnt have Civil War planned at the moment of Ironman 2 but heck fucking hell they literally build the perfect motive to a personal figth between Tony and Steve. I miss that of the old MCU, they were one of the best avoiding plot holes or retcons, they new how to share past thing with new things. If you see Ironman 2 and then CIvil War and finally ENdgame you will cry.
And following your example...in the first Captain America, when Zola escapes from the bunker, he take the planes of the Zola's Machine. Again, a blink. And in Captain 2 we can see the Zola Machine for an amazing plot.
I remember when Fury revealed that his ruined eye held a secret backdoor access into SHIELD systems for him and him alone. I was like, 'oooooh shiiiiittt, Nick Fury is so freaking good at this...' Then it's like, oh a cat scratched him, please laugh... and he's kind of sad and bumbling now... and I'm just looking around asking who thought this was a good idea...
That actually reminds me: Fury's entire character being the 10-contingency/don't trust anyone guy is supposed to entirely revolve around the story of how he lost his eye. Cap: Soldiers trust each other Fury: The last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye. Then you have a later scene where Fury explains to Cap where he draws the line on trust, and what that means to him and his mission to protect the world and the people under his command. Fury: Back in the old days, my Grandaddy would be on his way to school. He'd pass people on his way through the neighbourhood. He'd say "Hi", they'd say "Hi" back. Then over time, the neighbourhood got rougher. He'd say "Hi", and the people in the neighbourhood would say "Keep on steppin'!". Cap: *Starts to see where the story is going* Fury: My Grandaddy got to gripping that lunchbox a little tighter. Every once in awhile some punk would come up to him and say "What's in the bag?" Cap: What'd he do? Fury: He'd show 'em. A bunch of crumpled 1's...and a loaded 22. Magnum. Yeah, my Grandaddy loved people...but he didn't *trust* them very much. Nick Fury never banks his cards on the charitability or sympathy of anyone else. He never puts safety (his or anyone else's) in the hands of anyone other than himself. Nick Fury being this type of person entirely stems from how he lost his eye to someone he trusted. Someone who betrayed and probably tried to kill him. Him losing his eye to a bloody cat scratch in Captain Marvel ruins not only his scenes in The Winter Soldier, but it creates an issue in how he's depicted in Captain Marvel. How does he go from a fun-loving, upbeat optimistic spy to the cynical, distrusting, skeptical, distant Director of an organisation in charge of the defense of the human race?
It will always bother me that they make such a big deal about getting Carol Danvers’ DNA. Her powers don’t come from her genetics, it comes from exposure to the Space stone. It would be like getting Bruce Banner’s DNA and then forgetting about gamma radiation exposure and just expecting to be able to become the Hulk automatically, which, come to think of it, these writers probably think.
Not the writers fault! They really don’t actually have any say over what they make. It’s the producers fault. What happens, is they want to copy successful movies or add in their own ideas. They force them into the production but without undertaking the consequences or responsibility.
@@yuvrajsingh099pretty sure that was hulks blood, it's very different. In the first MCU movie that is rarely referenced a scientist is exposed to hulks blood and mutates, I don't think they ever use banners DNA.
The Rhodey reveal had so much potential. Imagine if he had been a skrull the entire time. He doesn't have any powers. If he blended into society and had a "normal" human life, it would be a great perspective Nothing about his character on screen would be diminished, you could even have a flashback showing Tony was the only one who knew his secret. They had the ability to expand on their characters and world building and chose to do nothing instead
I have not seen any Marvel material past End Game, but how about a better idea? Don't shoehorn a needless plottwist that assassinates all the character development of over a decade. From what I see from phase 4 Marvel, it seems as if they're trying to destroy a franchise.
@@cameronmckillop6448 The only thing worth watching past Endgame is the Loki series, Guardians 3, and Spider-Man NWH. Everything else kinda sucks if you're not watching them in a dumb fun way
@@felixtjoanda3841 I would argue that WandaVision was fun too. It was certainly interesting. The last episode wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either. The rest of the series was pretty decent.
That DNA flask is some good stuff, it allows a skrull to replicates tattoos, rings and even memories of knowledge gained through learning like magic. That is some kind of DNA!
The DNA never did that, its their shapeshifting that can. The DNA gave them the powers and "Muscle Memory" (That point is stupid to me). The Skrull's shapeshifting is so good, they can replicate non-organic substances like clothing and tattoos. And they captured everyone and put them into Memory stealing devices, so they get their memories too. Not through the Heroes DNA tho. I agree that most of it is stupid, but yeah its not thatt stupid.
Is there some sort of memo in Hollywood that you need to bring back male leads but portray them as debased failures who are upstaged by new overpowered female characters? This has happened like 8 times now in major franchises, it has to be intentional.
It will continue to lose them money so if they want to make money like they clearly want to they need to change. People love movies with passion and love, not movies that lack any passion or love
9:04 that last hit when Tony is terrified cos he thinks Steve is aiming for the face for a lethal blow... the acting, the story telling, even non-verbal, man Marvel USED to be so good...
Agents of Shield season 4 was just the right way to pull such a thing off...... It did everything- character development , story progression , emotional moments , action scenes , a deep dive into the characters' backstories and desires etc. Hell, Agents of Shield and Daisy Johnson were single handedly better stories and characters than anything marvel has pumped out after endgame , with a literal fraction of the budget and the stardom
You know, I was just thinking. Civil War is probably the gold standard on how to do politics in movies. Present both equally resonable, understandable, fleshed out points of view on a topic and ground them in a common human element, like compassion. And make sure both points are general enough not to feel targeted, but also specific enough to serve the story. Then let both sides duke it out in a epic brawl. I'm kidding on the last point, but Civil War was a story about the classic struggle between freedom and safety, or at least the perceptions of both, and all though it provoked actual thinking on the part of the audience, it gave a compelling enough narrative of how the 2 opposing sides were both deeply entrenched in what they believed in. At the end of the day it didn't matter who was right and wrong, all that mattered was the story. And that's whats missing in modern entertainment. All politics, all philosophies, THE MESSAGE, is all very specific, targeted, one sided, un-compelling, not fleshed out, don't serve the story, and are just preachy in general; "This is how the world is (or how WE want it to work) and you better think the same otherwise you're a bad person.". It's not interesting, it's not entertaining, it's just boring at best and infuriating at worst. It's an insult to the audience, no matter what political beliefs they hold. Either you're too stupid to think the same way as the enlightened ones in Hollywood, or you're to stupid to remember you think like the enlightened ones in Hollywood. I know it's a bit off topic from the video, but revisiting Civil War in my sleep-deprived state got me thinking. Thanks for your work man, you're an underviewed channel for the work you put into your videos. Keep it up, I have a feeling you'll blow up soon; people are starting to get the hint that maybe everything on our screens aren't quite as good as they'd like us to think.
Certainly a large part of what I love about Civil War, both sides of the argument are equally compelling. And which side I lean towards really depends on how I feel that day. And more importantly, how Tony and Steve arrived at their respective views feels natural. It's not like they just woke up one day and decided on having conflicting views that forced them into a confrontation, just so the movie could have a fight between them.
@@kopicat2429 i mean forgetting the fact the entire world would be entirely destroyed on all occasions they got blamed for destruction just seems silly
@@Keithjustkeithwastaken So, the ends justify the means? As long as you 'save the world' how you do it is irrelevant? No destruction caused is too great, and there should be no consequences or oversight despite it? And the world wouldn't be destroyed when Hydra was about to take over with their flying carriers. The world wouldn't be destroyed when a certain witch ended up being responsible for blowing up half a building filled with innocent bystanders. They were there simply to arrest a criminal. The world would indeed be destroyed had Ultron had his way, but he also came into existence because of two members of the Avengers. The invasion of the first movie is the only one where they should have zero responsibility. So yes, both sides of the argument are valid. Wanting no oversight in order to not be beholden to any government, meaning that they are free to pursue what they consider vital, rather then what politicians think. But at the same time, since when were they above the law? Since when should they be allowed to do whatever they want without permission of whatever country they go to?
Unrelated but in a weird way, I think civil war just might be the best ensemble superhero movie… all the roles the heroes play feel naturally imbedded in the story, feels like a comic in that way, you have the protagonists and side heros then the comic relief and we all know how they relate to each other.
I think Iron Man was the only one who was given the chance to reach his full potential and I am glad they killed him when they did. Wouldn't have wanted to see him get emasculated and berated by these strong, powerful, girl-boss genius teenagers that have filled the MCU.
pretty sure one of the dumbbutt WRITERS for this disgrace said he got swapped at the end of civil war. in that writers head cannon, the real rhodes went to magic africa land and got kidnapped before coming home to america
The MCU, like Star Wars, is that friend or family member who had it all. A beautiful wife, nice house, and a thriving career. And they slowly(or in this case, rapidly) detetoirate. Divorced, living in a crappy apartment and career has been killed. Hyperbolic, but when you compare the really good MCU stuff, like Civil War, Avengers 1, Infinity War etc. it just really reinforces how badly the brand has fallen. How the quality of writing has diminished and with partisan ideology to boot. What a sad fate this franchise has shared. And Secret Invasion I argue was the turning point for those still holding out that the brand can pull through.
It's Disney. Both franchises are being mismanaged by Disney. Disney turns everything into shit. It's a great theme park, and a great animation studio for sappy cartoons. But beyond that, it's utter crap for anything that involves real actors trying to display real emotions. I'm convinced that the same cheesy writers who write plots for movies like Moana or Frozen are then told to go work on an MCU or Star Wars movie, but they don't actually know how to write well because they just write movie scripts for 5-10 year olds all the time.
@@Sykomyke Disney even became shit in Cartoons. They are destroying everything they have made... Their movies in past were good, cartoons are amazing, but this "woke" era is just cringe and destroying everything we loved.
It always comes back to the writer saying to themselves, "I've got to be the one to deconstruct a perfectly fine character. What if they're *actually* amoral, petty, apathetic, wishy-washy?" That's how we got post-EG Wanda, FatWS Sam, Black Widow's standalone movie, D+ Loki... when does it end? :c
It’s not actually the writer’s choice. It’s the producers who have no idea what they are doing. Writer literally have spent their entire career writing. Why would they suddenly be bad at it? What happens is the higher ups force their influence upon media. Their ideas are usually horrible and they almost always just want to copy success.
@@sawyerharrell1453 I blame writers. By your logic, how did producers *suddenly* get bad at simply producing, and staying out of the creative process? Writers are ultimately the ones being accredited to the script, whether or not actors/directors/caterers put their sticky fingers on some of it. Bad movies always have existed since the medium itself, by the way; it only seems more rampant nowadays because of the recency, also media getting louder and louder about it, once-untouched franchises being milked into oblivion...
@@kylefrank638 There are no requirements for being a producer, except having money. When you are one, you have power over the entire process. What happens time and time again, is that producers will make changes to the script that fit their peeves and what they believe will be successful, without any actual experience. And if what the writers are making is so bad, why did the producers choose that writing or leave it as it was. They should be the quality control, not its opposite.
@@sawyerharrell1453 Fascinating thought process. If the producers don't know what they're doing, then it's the producers' fault the end product sucks. If the writers don't know what they're doing? Guess what, it's still the producers' fault the end product sucks. I assume the producers are also responsible for bad acting, bad set design, bad music, and bad marketing too?
Man oh man.. I've been avoiding this show because I know I will hate it but I still get surprised. It's infuriating, what they did to characters that we already know and love from the past movies. Fury, Hill & Rhodey are great written characters back then. And to think that Armor Wars is actually one of the only few project of MCU that I kinda look forward to when they first announced it. I want to see where they take Rhodey after everything that happen, as a lead nonetheless. Now, well.. But still, this makes me remember how good some old MCU movies are, especially Infinity War. There might be no future for MCU as we know it. But at the very least, good things has happen in the past.
Just as an idea, if they were going to make Rhodey a Skrull, why not do it from the start? The producers could have the Rhodey in Iron Man 2 to be a Skrull to explain the change in actors. Maybe you could offer a moral struggle between his struggles to conquer Earth for his face, to opose his own species in order to preserve Tony's memory and to place his trust into Fury which while it seems a little cliche, seems to be better than how he was treated. Maybe you could have Rhodey being resentful at Fury for not being there in Civil War? Instead of removing all of Rhodey's development across the series, why not make expand on his character so he's something than Iron Man's sidekick who occasionally shows up to help.
@@Simfukwe Is it though? I mean, for the viewers, sure. And for Tony, ok, let's suppose he knew Rhodey's a Skrull so he wasn't surprised by his different appearance. What about people who didn't know he's a Skrull? How would he explain the change to his other friends, colleagues or higher-ups?
@@tyrant-den884 lol I see what you're saying. But Marvel is usually on-top of planning the next 10 years of stories. They definitely mess up the timeline sometimes and have to shoehorn things in later.
Was Gravik supposed to be Nick Fury's son? I'm convinced the original script had Fury, Prisilla and Gravik be a broken family, but was changed during reshoots. The plot gets lost midway through the season, but it started with the theme of family. Look at the characters themselves... - Gravik is a leader like Fury, bringing together [Skrulls] to fight the battles he can't win (finding a new home). - Gravik is always one step ahead of Fury (where did he learn that from) - All of the sudden Fury has a secret skrull wife, who's human form is black. - They introduce Gravik as a child, the same time they introduce Prisilla, who also takes on a black human form And the subtle details - Gravik is shot in the left eye by Fury, the same eye he wore the eye patch on It would fix a lot of problems I have with the show... - Why Fury hesitated to shoot - Why Gravik betrayed Fury and is so upset with him But too much was changed in the later episodes resulting in inconsistencies.
The only thing these writers seem to know how to do with old veteran characters is “deconstruct” their legacy for cheep drama. It’s like they’re all trying to take shots at their disapproving dads. It’s so typical to have these old characters be useless that I expect them to subvert it by making them secretly dangerous as hell in the end. Then there’s just no pay off to it.
Civil war was filled with nonstop plot holes. The only thing I need to say is nukes headed towards nyc. Americas only solution without the avengers was nuking every human in the area
America wasn't aiming to disband/destroy The Avengers in Civil War, the Sokovia Accords were meant to be new rules for them and make them answer to a higher authority. To formalize them in the modern power hierarchy. Also, to the US gov't, nuking a city probably IS preferable to having a powerful group like The Avengers running around unchecked.
@@PoutingScout , there was no guarantee that Avengers would be able to stop the Chitauri invasion for good. In fact, they were on their last breath when the nuke was fired. And while firing a nuke was still a desperate move, sacrifice of one city zone against alien invasion around the entire world seemed like a choice to consider. That's not to mention that the government did not consider Avengers their own "people". In fact, in the finale of the movie, they call Avengers "dangerous" invididuals and reprimand Fury for letting them loose.
The dudes that we know and love are being made completely useless and the female characters that showed up 5 minutes ago with no kind of struggle or hardship are instantly over powered and badass movie after movie, show after show. Disney is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. They are literally insane.
It's honestly very clever writing in Civil War if you look at which sides Steve and Tony pick based on their characteristics. Steve Rogers wanted to serve his country in war, and due to his tiny size he took part in an experimental program in order to become capable to do so. His entire character was based around following orders and completing his mission, but in Winter Soldier this philosophy challenged his quest to save his best friend, when he realized that the people at the top aren't always the good guys, and so he himself had to take decisions in order to keep the world safe. Meanwhile Tony was a narcissistic billionaire playboy who didn't care about anyone else or the consequences of his actions till those weapons he made resulted in his capture, and after he escaped using his intelligence and making a suit he realized the consequences of his missiles, and how they didn;t go to the good guys always. So he shut down his weapons department and decided to handle the use of his missiles himself, leading to even more people making advanced weapons. He took risks and still didn't care what others thought of his decisions, till he was surrounded by the outcomes of his many decisions : Ultron, New York invaded by aliens, and even Pepper to an extent. This led him being more cautious and opting for more oversee over the Avengers' actions.
Dont forget....hes the only one affected by the blip as well. Its beyond hilarious because if they would've just left the blip......theyd have a reason for the skrulls invading to replace the heros lost to give man kind some form of "safety"....but nope we want infinity conez and shxt
I feel like a better time for this movie to have started would have post the first snap. Furry is gone, Carrel is doing her best to help the entire galaxy deal with the snap, and the Skrulls are left on Earth, with effectively no one to help them and a secret Fury kept very well hidden. With no hope for anyone to help them find a new planet anymore, a few of them decide to take action into their own hands and monopolize on the pandemonium on Earth caused by the snap to take power. All they have to do is find out which people with power got snapped, find a picture of them, and then make themselves look like them. True, they wouldn't get their memories, but with half the population gone, the number of people who might notice is less, and it could be an opportunity to show how intelligent/adaptable the Skrulls are by working around this. Using these new persona they could have exploited the chaos after the snap to acquire funding, power, reputation etc... to a point where they are effectively a new "Sheild" organization behind the scenes, while properly kidnapping and gaining the memories of some additional people to solidify their position. Everything is stable, until after Endgame and some of the people that they replaced, start showing back up, along with Fury. This is where the main movie could start and its up to Furry to piece together what happened in the years he was dead and try to unravel the Skrull's plans (whatever they would be). In the process, we could explore the consequences of the snap to see just exactly how the Skrulls acquired the power they did.
One big problem I have with CA: Civil war, is the fact, that Tony blames not only himself, but even the rest of Avengers for what hapenned in Sokovia. Last time I've checked, the whole situation in Sokovia was his fault.
I saw it not as him blaming the avengers for sokovia but as him wanting to impose limits on all powered people, so that it doesn't happen again, so for him it's just another example of hero's doing collateral damage not the avengers in particular, he see himself as a problem and is trying to get the government to stop him from doing it again
Nah it’s not, he not blaming avengers, he wanted to impose limits on them, Civil War happened not only because of Sokovia, but also then Avengers were in Lagos and Wanda killed innocent people because couldn’t control her power, and situation in Sokovia not only his fault, yeah most of it, but idea of Ultron came into his mind because Wanda messed up with his mind and also Bruce helped him with it, so he is not the only one who responsible for Ultron
I want to be honest. I used to hate Captain America and Iron Man. Tony Stark's hubris and Captain America's plain goody shoes , fake character. But I now realize the depth of their personas and character arcs and pain and sacrifices. It brings tears to my eyes. Peak Marvel indeed.
They managed to turn Marvel's most legendary spymaster into a punk ass weakling and what makes this even worse is that Carol is not even taking any of the blame either and this just shows that the MCU ended after Endgame and all we have now is the M-CLOWN-U now. Keep up the good work Jedi Brooks and you just might get another sub to your channel later down the road.
@@tyrant-den884 That is because these woke activists who call themselves writers do not know nor care about storytelling for it is all about spreading the message and by doing so they out themselves as people who are massive hypocrites that are so fragile that the mere sight of a prop gun will make them have PTSD. F*CK THE WOKE!!!!
Excellent analysis as usual, and I wanted to point out that Civil War is an excellent film (and my personal favorite in the MCU, followed closely by Infinity War), where it highlights a seemingly lost point in modern MCU projects (and franchise films in general): the heroes are treated with respect, and while there is humor to be found, it is never distracting, derailing or demeaning towards the characters. And what's more, is that once the bunker fight starts, there is no humor at all until the whole thing ends, where we get the "Tony Stank" joke to lighten things up (because we REALLY needed it after everything that happened). This is prime Russo Bros (which I feel like was there for the first 15 mins of Endgame, and then it was corporate meddling from there on out), where they let the movie be serious and stay serious. They weren't afraid of "Oh no the movie is going to be too dark" that many people think that Marvel doesn't do. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infiinity War (again, all Russo Bros) were not afraid to go dark and stay dark for the sake of the story. Heck the end of Infiinity War was straight up shocking and depressing (I was expecting that Thanos would get the stones and even snap, but didn't think it would happen during that movie, and wow was it a shock), with all the heroes in disbelief and bewilderment at what just happened. That is one of the biggest problems with the MCU now: things can't be too dark, too serious, otherwise they fear they become like DC (which isn't the problem, honestly). But also the quality of writing just isn't there, and with several writers straight up saying that they often write the movies as they go (Both MoM and AM:QM writers practically admitted it), it is no wonder the MCU is in a tailspin. That and disrespecting the characters, and having everyone bending over backwards just to say how terrible our favorite heroes are, even if the writers have to twist the characters into something they aren't. Man, I miss good writing...
I think the small detail of Tony raising his arms to protect his face when Cap broke open his helmet- showing how he genuinely thought Cap would kill him for a moment- is so powerful in showing the complete breakdown of trust by the end of the movie. subtle gems like this seem to have dried up post-Endgame
The fact that in theory TV shows should have *more time* to develop new characters and set a more coherent story makes the situation even wore. Great video!
I saw "Extinction" by accident thinking it was "Secret Invasion" and thought it was really good movie till I noticed it wasn't a marvel film (the guy from ant man showed up)...
Quality analysis lad. There are many content creators but either their voice is annoying or they add too many sounds and effects to their videos. You keep it simple and focused on the content of your review. Plus your voice isn’t annoying to listen to. Great vid!
I personally dont consider Andor a disney product lmfao. Yeah, its their franchise and their money. But Andor was made by people with vision and personality, who wanted to make a good piece of media. Everything else for the last few years have been souless products. Maybe except Mando s1, Wandavision and Loki, all of which teetered on the edge of being more product but escaped it since disney knew they needed actually good stuff people actually wanted to watch to sell subscriptions.
Well covered. I've been hooked to the MCU since the early days. Civil War was what cemented me. Peggy's funeral, where her niece tells Cap to plant himself like a tree... got me where I am. Always loved Cap, and his send off in Endgame was solid to me. But where the hell have we gone since then? There is no active character in the MCU that can grip me like how Cap did. Loki still has potential, because I was a former scene kid, but seriously without Cap, this franchise died. Tony's death was heartfelt, and a lot of people attribute RDJ's leave as the moment the MCU died, but I think it was truly when Chris Evans left. Chadwick Boseman, RIP, was the closest I felt we had to a Captain America-like leader. Chris Hemsworth was supposed to keep their legacy alive with Thor, but Taika murdered that "for the lawl". Hopefully the soft-reboot can make a character I actually like.
If only these writers put the same energy making legacy male characters look pathetic into writing a good story we might have something worthwhile... oh who am I kidding? No we wouldn't!
Ok putting Killmonger in the same categories as those other villains is unfair. We saw WHY he did what he did and could sympathize and empathize with him and his decisions. Ruthless sure, but his logic was pretty sound if you can view it from his perspective.
I'll have to disagree. Killmonger was an embarassment of a villain and that the heros gave any consideration to his motivations for committing mass murder ruined the whole movie for me.
@@paweldI’ll have to disagree. His reasons were pretty fleshed out. It may just be that his motivations bother you given their historical origins but they certainly make sense within the context of the movie.
Killmonger also didn't exactly turn on a dime either which I appreciate. His starter event was as a kid, he likely grieved but lived a normal, (perhaps troubled or uptight or smtn else but nothing so severe it was worth mentioning), and channeled some energy into militar before taking the routes he did. If the plot was executed that way, he could be been a decent recurring character (maybe closer to hero, or not, either works) on the level of the Winter Solder or Loki. He's wrong in his specific path, he's extreme, he's been slowly steaming on his beliefs. He ain't perfect but he isn't forcibly made a one and done except they chose to kill him.
Rhodey can't actually be a Skrull until after Endgame since he both bled red, and almost died to drowning since he couldn't get to his suit as of his busted-ass spine when the facility collapsed on him But they will probably just forget that
This was so fun to watch I literally got goosebumps when you broke down civil war (my favorite marvel movie). I feel like every time we think you can’t do better you prove us wrong 👏🏼👏🏼 keep going ✊🏼this made my day.
I have no idea why they didn't make bucky captain america, he was groomed and set up for an amazing captain america redemption story, only to have captain falcon come in and fuck it all up. It really doesn't matter anymore though, I have no interest in the mcu now, its time to wipe the board and start again.
"The story has become a convoluted mess, expecting the audience to watch the TV shows to understand the films." So what you're saying is ... the MCU has become an adaptation of a Marvel comic book?
When you watch this show and then watch the LMD arc in the fourth season of AOS that culminates in "Self control"...you realize that there's no comparison.
I remember an animated series of Avengers from my childhood in which this alien race invades the earth, the Skrulls, the whole time we are told how the attacks are completely unpredictable, suddenly leaders are killed and in one of the episodes the Avengers start to distrust themselves, but Captain America arrives and tells them how they must remain united to defeat this invasion, and in the same episode that this happens it is revealed at the end that Captain America is one of the Skrulls and you don't know where the real Captain America is and wonder what the hell is going to happen when the only person the Avengers trust is actually the only infiltrator. That is how Secret Invasion should be, you don't need super powers, just have a alien race come in from outside, start infiltrating, manipulating people into distrusting each other, and you have Nick who could not only have to try to create a network of cooperation between world leaders, as well as making sure that the Shield itself is not being destroyed from the inside.
This is why I stopped watching the MCU. Something felt off about what they were trying to do with the characters and storyline. So, I simply stopped watching. But if there was a way to save the MCU, it would be to do a soft-reboot where Phase 4 & 5 are made irrelevant to the previous 3 Phases (maybe just said to have happened in another universe). Start with a brand-new Phase and a new direction going forward, with better writers and no political bullcrap. But that won't happen. Even if they did do a soft-reboot, they wouldn't leave their political agendas behind.
The Rhodey thing, I believe it's post Endgame where he was captured. I believe that his blood is shown in Endgame and it's definitely not the color green but is instead the human red. It also seems hard (given the tech stuff Tony probably does with Rhodes) for him to have hidden his shape shifter blood from Tony. Also, I think the evil plan started when Fury decided to leave planet which wasn't until after the Blip, I think, going off of Fury dusting on earth. And the Blip happened like right in the middle of Endgame
I have no idea why your videos were never suggested to me until now. This video reminded me just how amazing Civil War really was. I mean, I always liked it and rewatch phases 1-3 about 3/4 times a year but man, this analysis was amazing. Subbing now and binging ur channel. GREAT EFFIN VIDEO❤
You should totally make a video about the Secret invasion arc in AEMH (Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes) And how they actually manage to make us feel intrigued by who could be an imposter
I think Civil War is where the MCU peaked, at least for the Avengers, since then it's been on a downward trajectory, albeit not in the terminal decline it is now, but it never reached the same heights as that and all that came before it.
Man, hearing you raise up Civil War just reminds me of how much I hated Tony in that movie. Hearing him say “maybe we need more accountability after what we did in Sakovia” like it wasn’t solely his fault for building Ultron IN SECRET. Then, disregarding all sentiments of accountability, he nearly kills Bucky-someone he KNOWS spent decades under MIND CONTROL- because he sees him do something he was MIND CONTROLLED to do. The man has a hissy fit in a suit of armor that shoots lasers!!! And then hear him whine “my father made that shield” after he nearly murdered a man in a rage, when he had been touting responsibility and needing restraint days before.
He didn't just see mind controlling and I think you could disregard that when you literally see your PARENTS be killed on screen and not know why for years and turns out the man is right in front of you.
Tony wasn't in a emotionally stable place. He and Pepper had taken a break and he was scared they were going to break up, after years off not being accountable for his actions, him finding out that people has died because of them and now the man he trusted the most doesn't agree with his ideas. And then finding out that his parents was brutally murdered and the man who killed them is right there? Plus also finding that the man he trusted the most is protecting said killer? Tony knew deep down that Bucky wasn't in control of his actions but he wasn't emotionally stable to see reason. To cap it off even further (no pun intended) Steve choosing Bucky was like the ultimate betrayal for him because once again, while Tony often clashed with Steve, he trusted him the most. And of course he wouldn't want a man who betrayed him to wear the shield his father wore, especially when he sided with the man who killed said father.
@@TroySoy oh I’d be furious, I’d scream myself hoarse, I’d probably blast something and I wouldn’t want to see Bucky’s face for a year or more. But if a week ago a woman handed me a picture of her son that I killed, I’d think twice about what kind of power I had.
@@k.g.7591 that's you, everyone can handle things differently and even the smartest people in the world can make terrible mistakes, it's the point of Tony's character almost he makes mistakes all the times it's what his movies are all about even Avengers.
@@k.g.7591 that's you, everyone can handle things differently and even the smartest people in the world can make terrible mistakes, it's the point of Tony's character almost he makes mistakes all the times it's what his movies are all about even Avengers.
Secret Invasion was a pretty good stand-alone show for the first half. What made it all fall apart was the idea of a Super Skrull not being a massive avengers level threat, who sas somehow defeated by powerless dudes and another less-trained super-skrull. Secret Invasion shouldve been a multi-part series, with the first season being about uncovering the "Secret Invasion" and the following seasons being about finding ways to fight it from the shadows. I dont mind Secret Invasion being, well secret, but it needs to be done realistically. Pulling a super-skrull out your ass halfway in is just ridiculous in pacing and unbelievable.
Its really shows how everything pretty much start going downhill after Stan Lee passed away. Just goes to show that the franchise truly ended when he was gone.
I think they should reveal in the next Avengers, that the current phase of the MCU is a version of the multiverse where everything gone wrong, and show that this was Kang's plans all the time, moving little pieces here and there to fuck up everything, and then retcom everything since endgame.
What really frustrated me when I was watching the show was when he said he wouldn’t call any heroes/avengers because it was his problem. Like it wasn’t his whole thing to be the behind the scenes leader that helped build recon and bring the team together? His job was literally to CALL the avengers 💀
If the writers can’t take their own set ups seriously, begs the question why the audience ever would. Little moments like the eye scratch add up more than we realize, and compound to the lack of interest we ultimately see now
“What if we subvert the fans so much we just openly mock them in the show?” ‘That’s a little heavy handed… does this have anything to do with you meeting that CZcams critic in real life?’ “NO!! I owned him in a comment section like a week later! This is totally different! I want exploit subverversion to its peak!”
I would disagree with America Chavez being shown as an example of powers just handed over easily. She struggled throughout the movie and her entire life to control her powers, and went on to use it intentionally for the first time at the climax after she gains control and confidence through the one and only Strange that was ever good to her.
Great video! It's always nice to find people who share the same pain and voice it. For me Fury was "The Man with The Plan"-Character. A chess player, always several steps ahead. His flaw (you know, for a character to overcome, to give them some development) he believed in utilitarianism (in a militaristic way). Killing people for the greater good was okay for him (and maybe even necessary, don't know if i'm mixing cinematic and comic Furys right now). Then came Captain Marvel and i thought "Is that the same guy? Okay, maybe because it's a prequel!?". But then came Secret Invasion and Fury was just Old Man, not even Old Man Logan (who wanted to just die, but overcame that notion in the story, you know, like stories should be told!), no, Fury just kept being Old Man, nothing else. Death of a character through bad bad writing!
Gravic was actually the one thing I liked about Secret Invasion and thought the actor did a good job. He genuinely had a presence on screen, got your attention and had a bit of a chaotic and unpredictable element to him which is cool in a villain. But yes agree he could've been written WAY better, his motivations were shallow and stupid, so as a result his actions seemed unreasonable. But at the very least it was an actual VILLAIN who committed the crimes! And not that "Every single crime, no matter how dark, the female MC commits is justified because she's a female MC" -bullshit Marvel's been pulling since Wandavision.
Civil war is the best of MARVEL there ever will be.. man the emotions of all the characters respresented perfectly. Ironman’s hate and grief.. Captain’s Loyalty and sadness.. Bucky’s remorse.. it was a rollercoaster of emotions. When i got first out of the theatre i was all on board with ironman is right as time went by i sided with Captain because its not a mistake if your will was not involved. I was stunned that a movie gave me a character development..❤
Can you imagine if secret invasion was the debut appearance of the skrulls? Like shield or the avengers or earth had zero knowledge of the skrulls existence. Characters slowly not acting like themselves, not knowing if those characters who got replaced were killed or just kidnapped and the people who figure out the invasion, like fury’ are seen as almost insane and then the actual invasion happens as a surprise attack without the heroes expecting it. Oh wait they already did that in earth’s mightiest heroes, a cartoon that came out more than a decade ago
I got off the MCU train after the first season of Loki. Like most, I was all in through End Game; shed a tear right before the final battle and everything. 11 years invested at that point. Like most people, I feel like Disney should've slowed, or hell, even stop at that point. End Game was the pinnacle of the MCU. I don't see how it can be topped.
It was annoying how Nick Fury couldn’t kill that skrull Rhodey sooner, for what? Because there will be a leak of “Nick” killing Hill? Black Widow got to send in every data about SHIELD, HYDRA, and herself, she didn’t care about the reprocussions, she wanted to do the right thing. Besides, Nick could have cleared his names by proving the skrulls
I sorta agree with this videos points, the only strong parts of secret invasion were the action scenes and the parts of the spy and espionage aspects that didn't come from fury.
Fury was so cool in winter soldier 😭
No he wasn't. That's not nick Fury. That's Sam Jackson with an eye patch. The only character he is capable of playing
@@johndodo2062 yea like nick fury and jules winfield are the same character right?
@@w_a_v_22 personally, i felt that he played Nick Fury same as his 'stephen warren' in Django unchained. The limp and all. The guy's got no variation. lol
@@slvr236 nah you’re trippin
@@w_a_v_22Samuel jackson is a one note actor stop coping
If your head cannon is that MCU ended after Endgame and Star Wars ended after Return of the Jedi, everything is great!
That's what I do.
Although I sometimes think it ended with Infinity War. They did Thor dirty in Endgame, and the final climactic battle was mostly just noise.
@@speakingwithoutnetAt least it makes sense that Thor got depressed, since he felt that Thanos was his failure and lost most of his people and family, but Fury turning into a useless old man oit of the blue makes 0 sense.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon yeah, but they could have done the depression better than turning him weepy and fat.
Angry and authoritarian to keep his people safe would have been appropriate.
@@speakingwithoutnet That would be fine too, but they already did the angry man lashing out to the world with Hawk Eye, so I guess they didn't want to feel repetitive.
Mcu ended after Shang chi for me. I Personally felt the phase 3 energy and passion in that movie.
I feel like people moved on from the eye scratch in 'Captain Marvel' way too fast. Nick said the last time he trusted someone he lost an eye. I don't think he meant a cat somehow. There was a chance to do something incredible there and it was turned into a joke. That will never not piss me off.
I think cause it was one of the earlier payoffs that got weakened. It was early enough that it coulda have been seen as a "surprise", the occasional buildup to a joke. but when that started happening over and over it degrades the value of all of them.
@@teresar6348 That's true. I wouldn't mind it used sparingly and done well but it's almost an MCU trope at this point.
Remember when his eye had meaning, when it symbolized the hell he must of gone through, when it was actually cool/scary to look at
It's now a complete joke and everytime you see his eye you see a cute little kitty
@@uosdwiSrdewoH YES. It was in this moment that I completely and totally gave up all interest and hope in the MCU. It's a moment that always comes to mind when I think of the MCU and it just pisses me off all over again. haha
honestly perfectly encapsulates the mcu in its current state. Willing to give up a serious scene just for a stupid throw away joke. Its been a huge criticism of marvel since before they fell off and now it all but defines them.
What frustrates me is the lack of continuity. Loki discovering Kang and destroying the sacred timeline, nobody cares. Celestial being stuck inside earth since Eternals, nobody cares. People getting their souls sucked out by a giant Crocodile in Moon Knight, nobody cares. Wanda letting go of her kids in WandaVision, wants her kids back in Doctor Strange 2.
Loki and the celestials really hits cause you just don't see any real ripples except for the fact that kang first existed here. You could watch quantomania after a well worded sentence about kang as background. Its enough that it forces you to have some background but its neither great nor substantial. (also the rules of the multiverse are so screwy here, cause the Loki series definition doesn't work with what endgame did unless you claim someone got pruned for every travel in the time heist)
Yeah it really feels like they have no real plan to connect the dots in any meaningful way
oh my god i forgot about the celestial thing lmao
Wanda gets corrupted by the Dark Hold and that's why she wants her kids back...
@@brennanhunt2722Bad plot device and bad writing.
Watching Marvel go into a downward spiral from being one of the most respected and enjoyed movie franchises that would fill theaters to this abomination of a show is straight up sad and pathetic
Disney has systematically destroyed all its IP.
@@mruziicakit wasn’t Disney.. marvel’s formula for tv shows wasn’t good they tried to shoot them look movies instead of spacing the show out and having at least 18-25 episodes like most shows
@@mruziicak Disney owned the MCU since the start
@@DreDay53 It wasn't Disney??? Of course it was. You think the shows would have been better with more episodes even though all the episodes were trash and pretty much filler??
@@mruziicakGo woke go broke at maximum
What makes Secret Invasion even WORSE is that the director of the show, Ali Selim, went out of his way to have the freaking gaul to say Marvel fans have too many expectations.😠
and the director literaly got NO EXPERIENCE,, and the writters onl for write for late nightshows
The director honestly sounds like a diversity hire
@@saladv3028 he directed 12 episodes of tv things like the looming tower...so yes give him the chair to this 212 millon dollar thing
@@FULANODETAL lmaoo dear god man, im speechless
Disney must have money to burn
Imagine if in Star Wars prequels a kitty cat scratched Anakin's hand off to explain why Darth Vader had the robot hand.
There will be murders.
it'd be more like if in Revenge of the Sith Anakin got burned *after* the fight with Obi Wan because while he survived perfectly fine he tried going after Obi Wan only for his ship to blow up when he tries starting it up leaving him sitting there in the crater like a cartoon character and then he turns to Palp and says "You got any bandaids?"
But isn't that what happened?
Man, they wasted no time or opportunity making Fury weak and pathetic.
Also, what they did to Maria Hill is unforgivable.
Yup. Those female characters just can’t catch a break.
@@sawyerharrell1453 They think they are supporting feminisim but they are basically shitting on them with lame ass characters like Shuri and Ironheart, Captain Marvel, She Hulk... all done terribly
so is rhodey's
What they did to Talos was unforgivable!
@@dreamwalker2865totally, now he can’t meet up with Spider-Man again
Man I feel bad for Samuel Jackson still giving his all despite how Disney/Marvel treat the character.
He prob gets paid good
@@hypello9534 He get paid millions for seconds-long cameos, imagine actual movies and shows.
Also explains why you just don't see characters interact anymore between movies, they cost so much (and writing too hard for whoever is in charge of the scripts)
@@scorpixel1866
Yeah, but the principle is _still..._
@@scorpixel1866I mean, Disney kinda has the money to cover those cost tbf.
@@napoleonbuonaparte8975not anymore, they’ve been having constant layoffs and people have been on strike for not being paid enough in the movie industry. They clearly exhausted any excess savings they may have had.
You know what my problem is, the skrulls, an alien race from space, ended up on Earth back in the 90s. Nick Fury and S.H.E.I.L.D were supposed to find them a new planet, right? Here's is my question: Humans all live on one planet. They have limited if any space flight capabilities... how the hell were humans supposed to help?! Nick Fury was not an astronaut!
Presumably it was working with Carol.
@Ues2DC right... Carol Danvers, originally from Earth. Who left at the end of the first movie with a ship presumably full of the skrulls. 30+ years later, 0 progress and it's Fury on the hook?
Like at that point in the sereis Carol was the only one who is space fairing that he knows about, and if we discount the limited trips to the moon, the next time anyone of space fairing ability is well known on Earth is Thor in 2011, who isn't exactly someone Earth can commission for this.
I have so many separate complaints about how the only bit of the universe with detailed interconnection is earth centric and now I am more reminded of them rip.
Considering the events of Captain Marvel, the Skrulls knew that advanced technology existed. The only question is why didn’t they do it themselves?
@@FaizaanNaseem-ub8rv I mean yeah honestly, all they needed to do was use some of the chitauri tech and build their own spaceships
I think you nailed it with "none of characters reached its full potential" and "there is nowhere left to go". Good old times when simple battle on highway with no CGI or Steve vs Loki simple fight captured us. And boy, when you said Disney doesnt know how to write sympathetic villan..I remembered Loki in 2011 talking to Odin in the vault...Those were times when we were not only sympathising with villains, but also rooting for them.
I think Loki was right in the first Thor movie.
Odin DID take him as a some sort of bargaining chip.
I have to agree. Not saying he was in the right for killing innocents. But if I learned my entire life was a lie and I was part of the race who was taught to me as monsters and my biggest enemies, it would be pretty pissed too.
I agree with you on all points but the CGI. Marvel has had so many awesome CGI-heavy fights across its first three phases (I mean we're not docking Avengers for that are we?) that I think they've proven that having loads of CGI isn't the issue, having shitty writing, poor action directing, knowing when to use it, and underpaying your VFX artists is.
The reason a lot of the more recent battles in the movies feel so hollow is because they haven't taken the time or patience to make the fights matter, and to make them believable. There's many reasons for this, like poor action direction, choreography, directing, writing and not paying their artists enough, but they all ultimately contribute to the same problem.
CGI isn't the problem, but if the studios that animate it all don't get the time or funds to take their time with it it's going to look like shit. Similarly if the action directing isn't good then it doesn't matter how fancy your CGI is, the end result will be that your action is going to feel like it lacks value and impact. And then there is the problem that yeah, Marvel has kind of gotten fond of replacing everything with CGI, even stuff that shouldn't be, rather than using it for what it should be used for (anything that could not realistically be done or would not look good using practical methods).
TL;DR: The reason Marvel's action looked and felt so much better in the past is because they've seemingly forgotten that CGI is a tool that needs to be used correctly, yes, but also because a lot of their recent writing and directing has also just been lazy and uninspired, further adding to the existing issues of action and battles just not hitting as hard as it used to.
That highway fight had a metric ton of CGI in it. The CGI itself is not the problem, it's the subpar writing, mediocre action choreography, and lack of proper planning in pre-production resulting in absurd amounts of rewrites and reshoots and impossible VFX deadlines before release
@@piscis210 yes nobody says Loki is innocent in this movie he did some bad stuff but the most evil guy Odin who lied to Loki his whole life and basicaly put brothers against each other and in the end even rejects Loki one last time as he hangs above the abyss,ends up as a good guy without any punishment and framed as a good father.
I know it’s not really the point of the video, but another touch on the Captain America vs Iron Man fight is how Tony had to make the countermeasures *right there.* Tony, as paranoid as he is, made countermeasures against Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, but *never* thought to make a counter against Cap until that moment. It shows just how much he trusted him above all else. It’s only after that fight that Tony focuses on a modular weapon system to always give himself a close range option. His most used formation being the shield.
What are the countermeasures that he took against Thor and Ant Man? Regardless, your point holds for Hulk, and it's a very interesting observation.
As for Captain America: to what extent do you think Tony's lack of preparation was due to underestimating Cap's combat ability, rather than due to him having a unique trust of Cap?
@@mvmlego1212for your counter measures question, i’d say the “panels”(idk what they’re called) of the nano suit that allowed Thor’s lightning to charge the suit would be what he’s talking about, and the nano suit meant no gaps for Ant-Man to slide through like he did in CW
But apparently doing this is the worst thing Batman could ever do.
@@sublimescorpio230 -- Tony's lightning-proof suits preceded his fight with Thor, and it certainly preceded his nano-based suits. He developed it between Iron Man 2 (when he got whooped by Whiplash due to that weakness) and The Avengers.
@@mvmlego1212 yeah I know his suits were lightning-proof in general already, I was specifically referring to the “solar panel” type thing he had on the back of the nano suit that absorbed Thor’s lightning. He was surprised when Thor’s lightning charged his suit in Avengers 1, so I figured that wasn’t a Whiplash countermeasure(i don’t really know how to word this, I hope you at least got the point i’m trying to make)
This was also the time when Marvel writers were skilled enough to take a story beat they fleetingly mentioned in a previous movie and flesh out more and in a better way to make it the main conflict of the next film. Howard Stark and his wife dying to winter soldier is mentioned in the Zola memory bank scene in Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier, But it is honestly a blink and you'll miss it. Zola doesn't even name Howard Stark when his photo comes on screen while discussing all the victims of Winter Soldier. They took that mention and interwove it into the main conflict of Civil War so fucking well. Honestly the Captain America trilogy is the best movies out of all of the MCU sludge we've seen.
More of that, Ironman 2 literally revoles around the idea of the relationship between Tony and his father and how the fact that he was a literally Steve Jobs perjudicate Tony childhood. Is literally a old video of Howard the thing that ended motivating Tony to search and find a cure for his poisoining and save the world.
Now you understand why Tony lose his fucking mind where he learns that his dad was killed in cold blood and your friend hid that to you.
Marvel didnt have Civil War planned at the moment of Ironman 2 but heck fucking hell they literally build the perfect motive to a personal figth between Tony and Steve. I miss that of the old MCU, they were one of the best avoiding plot holes or retcons, they new how to share past thing with new things.
If you see Ironman 2 and then CIvil War and finally ENdgame you will cry.
And following your example...in the first Captain America, when Zola escapes from the bunker, he take the planes of the Zola's Machine. Again, a blink. And in Captain 2 we can see the Zola Machine for an amazing plot.
I think it was a mistake not having Fury and SHIELD have some role in Civil War, since he literally brought them together in the first place.
Guardians is cemented as the best trilogy tho
@@Tigery-fx7kn I'd argue Captain America had the best trilogy
I remember when Fury revealed that his ruined eye held a secret backdoor access into SHIELD systems for him and him alone. I was like, 'oooooh shiiiiittt, Nick Fury is so freaking good at this...'
Then it's like, oh a cat scratched him, please laugh... and he's kind of sad and bumbling now... and I'm just looking around asking who thought this was a good idea...
What happened to the badass who kept a minigun in his car?
That actually reminds me: Fury's entire character being the 10-contingency/don't trust anyone guy is supposed to entirely revolve around the story of how he lost his eye.
Cap: Soldiers trust each other
Fury: The last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye.
Then you have a later scene where Fury explains to Cap where he draws the line on trust, and what that means to him and his mission to protect the world and the people under his command.
Fury: Back in the old days, my Grandaddy would be on his way to school. He'd pass people on his way through the neighbourhood. He'd say "Hi", they'd say "Hi" back. Then over time, the neighbourhood got rougher. He'd say "Hi", and the people in the neighbourhood would say "Keep on steppin'!".
Cap: *Starts to see where the story is going*
Fury: My Grandaddy got to gripping that lunchbox a little tighter. Every once in awhile some punk would come up to him and say "What's in the bag?"
Cap: What'd he do?
Fury: He'd show 'em. A bunch of crumpled 1's...and a loaded 22. Magnum. Yeah, my Grandaddy loved people...but he didn't *trust* them very much.
Nick Fury never banks his cards on the charitability or sympathy of anyone else. He never puts safety (his or anyone else's) in the hands of anyone other than himself.
Nick Fury being this type of person entirely stems from how he lost his eye to someone he trusted. Someone who betrayed and probably tried to kill him. Him losing his eye to a bloody cat scratch in Captain Marvel ruins not only his scenes in The Winter Soldier, but it creates an issue in how he's depicted in Captain Marvel. How does he go from a fun-loving, upbeat optimistic spy to the cynical, distrusting, skeptical, distant Director of an organisation in charge of the defense of the human race?
A vegan them/they with blue armpits
I remember shouting at the cat, “Why, why would you do that, what did he ever do to you?”
@@LaPtaVerdad man go fuck yourself i bet you say woke the second you see a woman
It will always bother me that they make such a big deal about getting Carol Danvers’ DNA. Her powers don’t come from her genetics, it comes from exposure to the Space stone. It would be like getting Bruce Banner’s DNA and then forgetting about gamma radiation exposure and just expecting to be able to become the Hulk automatically, which, come to think of it, these writers probably think.
Not probably. The first power Gaia uses after revealing she was pretending to be Fury was hulk's fist
Not the writers fault! They really don’t actually have any say over what they make.
It’s the producers fault. What happens, is they want to copy successful movies or add in their own ideas. They force them into the production but without undertaking the consequences or responsibility.
Didn't they did that in she-hulk( I do not watch phase -4 except no way hom)
@@yuvrajsingh099pretty sure that was hulks blood, it's very different.
In the first MCU movie that is rarely referenced a scientist is exposed to hulks blood and mutates, I don't think they ever use banners DNA.
And that's exactly what they did in she hulk
The Rhodey reveal had so much potential. Imagine if he had been a skrull the entire time. He doesn't have any powers. If he blended into society and had a "normal" human life, it would be a great perspective
Nothing about his character on screen would be diminished, you could even have a flashback showing Tony was the only one who knew his secret.
They had the ability to expand on their characters and world building and chose to do nothing instead
Still would have been lame imo, but at least it would have kept the character intact!
I have not seen any Marvel material past End Game, but how about a better idea? Don't shoehorn a needless plottwist that assassinates all the character development of over a decade. From what I see from phase 4 Marvel, it seems as if they're trying to destroy a franchise.
@@cameronmckillop6448 The only thing worth watching past Endgame is the Loki series, Guardians 3, and Spider-Man NWH. Everything else kinda sucks if you're not watching them in a dumb fun way
@@felixtjoanda3841 I would argue that WandaVision was fun too. It was certainly interesting. The last episode wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either. The rest of the series was pretty decent.
It could have also explained the actor change between the first two Iron Man films.
That DNA flask is some good stuff, it allows a skrull to replicates tattoos, rings and even memories of knowledge gained through learning like magic. That is some kind of DNA!
Must of been great DNA!
its all muscle memory
The DNA never did that, its their shapeshifting that can. The DNA gave them the powers and "Muscle Memory" (That point is stupid to me). The Skrull's shapeshifting is so good, they can replicate non-organic substances like clothing and tattoos. And they captured everyone and put them into Memory stealing devices, so they get their memories too. Not through the Heroes DNA tho. I agree that most of it is stupid, but yeah its not thatt stupid.
@@dippin4dots so if they got thanoses DNA could they of gotten the infinity gauntlet?
@@dippin4dots maaaan, you really are taking this serious... my "muscle memory" coment was just sarcasm, thats it, i didnt even watched the show
Is there some sort of memo in Hollywood that you need to bring back male leads but portray them as debased failures who are upstaged by new overpowered female characters? This has happened like 8 times now in major franchises, it has to be intentional.
You think?
Man, I hadn't noticed!
I wonder if the internet is upset about this?
I'd better ask Google.
Welcome to new-wave feminism.
While the trend is dying among normal people, it's as strong as ever in the incestual pit of Hollywood.
It will continue to lose them money so if they want to make money like they clearly want to they need to change. People love movies with passion and love, not movies that lack any passion or love
Noticing is deeply antisemitic. Please apologise for your insensitivity.
9:04 that last hit when Tony is terrified cos he thinks Steve is aiming for the face for a lethal blow... the acting, the story telling, even non-verbal, man Marvel USED to be so good...
I love RDJ, pure talent. When you see betrayal in his eyes when cap said he knew that Bucky killed stark’s parents
How does he even do that
Agents of Shield season 4 was just the right way to pull such a thing off...... It did everything- character development , story progression , emotional moments , action scenes , a deep dive into the characters' backstories and desires etc.
Hell, Agents of Shield and Daisy Johnson were single handedly better stories and characters than anything marvel has pumped out after endgame , with a literal fraction of the budget and the stardom
And boy does Disney want us to forget about that
I like how you not only break down why the MCU sucks now, but also highlight how awesome it used to be in the past.
You know, I was just thinking. Civil War is probably the gold standard on how to do politics in movies. Present both equally resonable, understandable, fleshed out points of view on a topic and ground them in a common human element, like compassion. And make sure both points are general enough not to feel targeted, but also specific enough to serve the story. Then let both sides duke it out in a epic brawl. I'm kidding on the last point, but Civil War was a story about the classic struggle between freedom and safety, or at least the perceptions of both, and all though it provoked actual thinking on the part of the audience, it gave a compelling enough narrative of how the 2 opposing sides were both deeply entrenched in what they believed in. At the end of the day it didn't matter who was right and wrong, all that mattered was the story. And that's whats missing in modern entertainment. All politics, all philosophies, THE MESSAGE, is all very specific, targeted, one sided, un-compelling, not fleshed out, don't serve the story, and are just preachy in general; "This is how the world is (or how WE want it to work) and you better think the same otherwise you're a bad person.". It's not interesting, it's not entertaining, it's just boring at best and infuriating at worst. It's an insult to the audience, no matter what political beliefs they hold. Either you're too stupid to think the same way as the enlightened ones in Hollywood, or you're to stupid to remember you think like the enlightened ones in Hollywood.
I know it's a bit off topic from the video, but revisiting Civil War in my sleep-deprived state got me thinking. Thanks for your work man, you're an underviewed channel for the work you put into your videos. Keep it up, I have a feeling you'll blow up soon; people are starting to get the hint that maybe everything on our screens aren't quite as good as they'd like us to think.
Certainly a large part of what I love about Civil War, both sides of the argument are equally compelling. And which side I lean towards really depends on how I feel that day. And more importantly, how Tony and Steve arrived at their respective views feels natural. It's not like they just woke up one day and decided on having conflicting views that forced them into a confrontation, just so the movie could have a fight between them.
I agree with you, good sir! Take my internet point for the day.
How sad that this kind of art is probably dead for the next 20 years or so.
@@kopicat2429 i mean forgetting the fact the entire world would be entirely destroyed on all occasions they got blamed for destruction just seems silly
@@Keithjustkeithwastaken So, the ends justify the means? As long as you 'save the world' how you do it is irrelevant? No destruction caused is too great, and there should be no consequences or oversight despite it?
And the world wouldn't be destroyed when Hydra was about to take over with their flying carriers.
The world wouldn't be destroyed when a certain witch ended up being responsible for blowing up half a building filled with innocent bystanders. They were there simply to arrest a criminal.
The world would indeed be destroyed had Ultron had his way, but he also came into existence because of two members of the Avengers.
The invasion of the first movie is the only one where they should have zero responsibility.
So yes, both sides of the argument are valid. Wanting no oversight in order to not be beholden to any government, meaning that they are free to pursue what they consider vital, rather then what politicians think.
But at the same time, since when were they above the law? Since when should they be allowed to do whatever they want without permission of whatever country they go to?
Yeah. No. It isn’t close to a gold standard on how to do a political movie.
Unrelated but in a weird way, I think civil war just might be the best ensemble superhero movie… all the roles the heroes play feel naturally imbedded in the story, feels like a comic in that way, you have the protagonists and side heros then the comic relief and we all know how they relate to each other.
I think Iron Man was the only one who was given the chance to reach his full potential and I am glad they killed him when they did. Wouldn't have wanted to see him get emasculated and berated by these strong, powerful, girl-boss genius teenagers that have filled the MCU.
You missed the point, focusing on the symptom, the pandering, instead of the shitty executive decisions.
Iron Heart
Loki and Captain America also reached their full potential, cap in Endgame, and Loki in season 2
I agree with the guy though, I just think of MCU ending when Ironman died, everything else is a fever dream
All well said, but it seems that Rhodes was swapped AFTER Endgame, which makes way more sense why he was so weird in Falcon
Writers have come out and confirmed it was during Civil War.
The real reason was bad writing in FAWS
@@SippingVino Yeah I guess it's just a retroactive excuse now lol
pretty sure one of the dumbbutt WRITERS for this disgrace said he got swapped at the end of civil war.
in that writers head cannon, the real rhodes went to magic africa land and got kidnapped before coming home to america
@@SippingVinoYeah that one was almost as bad as Secret Invasion.
The MCU, like Star Wars, is that friend or family member who had it all. A beautiful wife, nice house, and a thriving career. And they slowly(or in this case, rapidly) detetoirate. Divorced, living in a crappy apartment and career has been killed. Hyperbolic, but when you compare the really good MCU stuff, like Civil War, Avengers 1, Infinity War etc. it just really reinforces how badly the brand has fallen. How the quality of writing has diminished and with partisan ideology to boot. What a sad fate this franchise has shared. And Secret Invasion I argue was the turning point for those still holding out that the brand can pull through.
Literally Walter White.
It's Disney. Both franchises are being mismanaged by Disney. Disney turns everything into shit. It's a great theme park, and a great animation studio for sappy cartoons. But beyond that, it's utter crap for anything that involves real actors trying to display real emotions. I'm convinced that the same cheesy writers who write plots for movies like Moana or Frozen are then told to go work on an MCU or Star Wars movie, but they don't actually know how to write well because they just write movie scripts for 5-10 year olds all the time.
@@Sykomyke Disney even became shit in Cartoons. They are destroying everything they have made... Their movies in past were good, cartoons are amazing, but this "woke" era is just cringe and destroying everything we loved.
But Star Wars still had better shows.
"Why is everyone in this show so stupid?" The characters are only as smart as the writers. Great video BTW buddy! Got yourself a new subscriber.
Disney hiring Wattpad writers
It always comes back to the writer saying to themselves, "I've got to be the one to deconstruct a perfectly fine character. What if they're *actually* amoral, petty, apathetic, wishy-washy?" That's how we got post-EG Wanda, FatWS Sam, Black Widow's standalone movie, D+ Loki... when does it end? :c
It’s not actually the writer’s choice. It’s the producers who have no idea what they are doing. Writer literally have spent their entire career writing. Why would they suddenly be bad at it? What happens is the higher ups force their influence upon media. Their ideas are usually horrible and they almost always just want to copy success.
@@sawyerharrell1453 I blame writers. By your logic, how did producers *suddenly* get bad at simply producing, and staying out of the creative process? Writers are ultimately the ones being accredited to the script, whether or not actors/directors/caterers put their sticky fingers on some of it.
Bad movies always have existed since the medium itself, by the way; it only seems more rampant nowadays because of the recency, also media getting louder and louder about it, once-untouched franchises being milked into oblivion...
Pay writers more and they might give you better writing
@@kylefrank638
There are no requirements for being a producer, except having money. When you are one, you have power over the entire process. What happens time and time again, is that producers will make changes to the script that fit their peeves and what they believe will be successful, without any actual experience.
And if what the writers are making is so bad, why did the producers choose that writing or leave it as it was. They should be the quality control, not its opposite.
@@sawyerharrell1453 Fascinating thought process. If the producers don't know what they're doing, then it's the producers' fault the end product sucks. If the writers don't know what they're doing? Guess what, it's still the producers' fault the end product sucks. I assume the producers are also responsible for bad acting, bad set design, bad music, and bad marketing too?
Man oh man..
I've been avoiding this show because I know I will hate it but I still get surprised. It's infuriating, what they did to characters that we already know and love from the past movies. Fury, Hill & Rhodey are great written characters back then.
And to think that Armor Wars is actually one of the only few project of MCU that I kinda look forward to when they first announced it. I want to see where they take Rhodey after everything that happen, as a lead nonetheless. Now, well..
But still, this makes me remember how good some old MCU movies are, especially Infinity War. There might be no future for MCU as we know it. But at the very least, good things has happen in the past.
Just as an idea, if they were going to make Rhodey a Skrull, why not do it from the start?
The producers could have the Rhodey in Iron Man 2 to be a Skrull to explain the change in actors.
Maybe you could offer a moral struggle between his struggles to conquer Earth for his face, to opose his own species in order to preserve Tony's memory and to place his trust into Fury which while it seems a little cliche, seems to be better than how he was treated.
Maybe you could have Rhodey being resentful at Fury for not being there in Civil War?
Instead of removing all of Rhodey's development across the series, why not make expand on his character so he's something than Iron Man's sidekick who occasionally shows up to help.
That's a dang near perfect explanation for the change in actor! They definitely fumbled everything since Endgame dude....
@@Simfukwethe problem then stems from when rhodey comes back
This MCU might deserve the old rhodeys actor though...
What color is your new jacket gonna be in ten years, since it's so easy to plan this stuff out😂😂😂
@@Simfukwe Is it though? I mean, for the viewers, sure. And for Tony, ok, let's suppose he knew Rhodey's a Skrull so he wasn't surprised by his different appearance. What about people who didn't know he's a Skrull? How would he explain the change to his other friends, colleagues or higher-ups?
@@tyrant-den884 lol I see what you're saying. But Marvel is usually on-top of planning the next 10 years of stories. They definitely mess up the timeline sometimes and have to shoehorn things in later.
Was Gravik supposed to be Nick Fury's son? I'm convinced the original script had Fury, Prisilla and Gravik be a broken family, but was changed during reshoots. The plot gets lost midway through the season, but it started with the theme of family.
Look at the characters themselves...
- Gravik is a leader like Fury, bringing together [Skrulls] to fight the battles he can't win (finding a new home).
- Gravik is always one step ahead of Fury (where did he learn that from)
- All of the sudden Fury has a secret skrull wife, who's human form is black.
- They introduce Gravik as a child, the same time they introduce Prisilla, who also takes on a black human form
And the subtle details
- Gravik is shot in the left eye by Fury, the same eye he wore the eye patch on
It would fix a lot of problems I have with the show...
- Why Fury hesitated to shoot
- Why Gravik betrayed Fury and is so upset with him
But too much was changed in the later episodes resulting in inconsistencies.
The only thing these writers seem to know how to do with old veteran characters is “deconstruct” their legacy for cheep drama. It’s like they’re all trying to take shots at their disapproving dads. It’s so typical to have these old characters be useless that I expect them to subvert it by making them secretly dangerous as hell in the end. Then there’s just no pay off to it.
Disney Star Wars did it for all three major male heroes: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo AND Obi Wan Kenobi. It's beyond ridiculous at this point
Contrasting this rotten garbage with the Civil War footage inflicted a special grade of pain.
Civil war was filled with nonstop plot holes. The only thing I need to say is nukes headed towards nyc. Americas only solution without the avengers was nuking every human in the area
America wasn't aiming to disband/destroy The Avengers in Civil War, the Sokovia Accords were meant to be new rules for them and make them answer to a higher authority. To formalize them in the modern power hierarchy.
Also, to the US gov't, nuking a city probably IS preferable to having a powerful group like The Avengers running around unchecked.
@@jesterfeathers in no world is nuking your own nation better than having people to protect it
@@PoutingScout , there was no guarantee that Avengers would be able to stop the Chitauri invasion for good. In fact, they were on their last breath when the nuke was fired. And while firing a nuke was still a desperate move, sacrifice of one city zone against alien invasion around the entire world seemed like a choice to consider.
That's not to mention that the government did not consider Avengers their own "people". In fact, in the finale of the movie, they call Avengers "dangerous" invididuals and reprimand Fury for letting them loose.
@@dimaudalow they were already loose? Whole movie is them collecting themselves. In no way is a nuke a better option then the avengers in the mcu.
The dudes that we know and love are being made completely useless and the female characters that showed up 5 minutes ago with no kind of struggle or hardship are instantly over powered and badass movie after movie, show after show. Disney is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. They are literally insane.
Boom mic drop. Its blatant insanity
It's honestly very clever writing in Civil War if you look at which sides Steve and Tony pick based on their characteristics.
Steve Rogers wanted to serve his country in war, and due to his tiny size he took part in an experimental program in order to become capable to do so. His entire character was based around following orders and completing his mission, but in Winter Soldier this philosophy challenged his quest to save his best friend, when he realized that the people at the top aren't always the good guys, and so he himself had to take decisions in order to keep the world safe.
Meanwhile Tony was a narcissistic billionaire playboy who didn't care about anyone else or the consequences of his actions till those weapons he made resulted in his capture, and after he escaped using his intelligence and making a suit he realized the consequences of his missiles, and how they didn;t go to the good guys always. So he shut down his weapons department and decided to handle the use of his missiles himself, leading to even more people making advanced weapons. He took risks and still didn't care what others thought of his decisions, till he was surrounded by the outcomes of his many decisions : Ultron, New York invaded by aliens, and even Pepper to an extent. This led him being more cautious and opting for more oversee over the Avengers' actions.
Dude I can hear your admiration for Iron Man and it’s so nice to hear that level of appreciation for a character so near to my heart
Read books man. Tony Stark isn't that interesting or deep.
@@SonicMegaKing mfker, they are talking about the movies. who gives a fuck about the comics that are VERY loosely followed in the movies.
wait, I just realised they werent talking about the comic books. kms
@@SonicMegaKingthis is about the MCU, not comics
Dont forget....hes the only one affected by the blip as well. Its beyond hilarious because if they would've just left the blip......theyd have a reason for the skrulls invading to replace the heros lost to give man kind some form of "safety"....but nope we want infinity conez and shxt
They couldn't leave it because guys like Black Panther needed a sequel
I feel like a better time for this movie to have started would have post the first snap. Furry is gone, Carrel is doing her best to help the entire galaxy deal with the snap, and the Skrulls are left on Earth, with effectively no one to help them and a secret Fury kept very well hidden. With no hope for anyone to help them find a new planet anymore, a few of them decide to take action into their own hands and monopolize on the pandemonium on Earth caused by the snap to take power. All they have to do is find out which people with power got snapped, find a picture of them, and then make themselves look like them. True, they wouldn't get their memories, but with half the population gone, the number of people who might notice is less, and it could be an opportunity to show how intelligent/adaptable the Skrulls are by working around this. Using these new persona they could have exploited the chaos after the snap to acquire funding, power, reputation etc... to a point where they are effectively a new "Sheild" organization behind the scenes, while properly kidnapping and gaining the memories of some additional people to solidify their position. Everything is stable, until after Endgame and some of the people that they replaced, start showing back up, along with Fury. This is where the main movie could start and its up to Furry to piece together what happened in the years he was dead and try to unravel the Skrull's plans (whatever they would be). In the process, we could explore the consequences of the snap to see just exactly how the Skrulls acquired the power they did.
One big problem I have with CA: Civil war, is the fact, that Tony blames not only himself, but even the rest of Avengers for what hapenned in Sokovia. Last time I've checked, the whole situation in Sokovia was his fault.
I saw it not as him blaming the avengers for sokovia but as him wanting to impose limits on all powered people, so that it doesn't happen again, so for him it's just another example of hero's doing collateral damage not the avengers in particular, he see himself as a problem and is trying to get the government to stop him from doing it again
Nah it’s not, he not blaming avengers, he wanted to impose limits on them, Civil War happened not only because of Sokovia, but also then Avengers were in Lagos and Wanda killed innocent people because couldn’t control her power, and situation in Sokovia not only his fault, yeah most of it, but idea of Ultron came into his mind because Wanda messed up with his mind and also Bruce helped him with it, so he is not the only one who responsible for Ultron
I swear you are one of the best story analysis on CZcams. Bravo. Thank you good Sir.👍
I want to be honest. I used to hate Captain America and Iron Man. Tony Stark's hubris and Captain America's plain goody shoes , fake character. But I now realize the depth of their personas and character arcs and pain and sacrifices. It brings tears to my eyes. Peak Marvel indeed.
They are better in the comics.
The MCU ones are just simple parodies.
They managed to turn Marvel's most legendary spymaster into a punk ass weakling and what makes this even worse is that Carol is not even taking any of the blame either and this just shows that the MCU ended after Endgame and all we have now is the M-CLOWN-U now.
Keep up the good work Jedi Brooks and you just might get another sub to your channel later down the road.
Makes sense that he's weak, dude is ancient.
The mistake was not making him a badass advisor/mentor like Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond
@@tyrant-den884 That is because these woke activists who call themselves writers do not know nor care about storytelling for it is all about spreading the message and by doing so they out themselves as people who are massive hypocrites that are so fragile that the mere sight of a prop gun will make them have PTSD.
F*CK THE WOKE!!!!
Your commentary on the Captain America: Civil War scenes was just beautiful
It wasn't even that good, chill
Excellent analysis as usual, and I wanted to point out that Civil War is an excellent film (and my personal favorite in the MCU, followed closely by Infinity War), where it highlights a seemingly lost point in modern MCU projects (and franchise films in general): the heroes are treated with respect, and while there is humor to be found, it is never distracting, derailing or demeaning towards the characters. And what's more, is that once the bunker fight starts, there is no humor at all until the whole thing ends, where we get the "Tony Stank" joke to lighten things up (because we REALLY needed it after everything that happened). This is prime Russo Bros (which I feel like was there for the first 15 mins of Endgame, and then it was corporate meddling from there on out), where they let the movie be serious and stay serious. They weren't afraid of "Oh no the movie is going to be too dark" that many people think that Marvel doesn't do. Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infiinity War (again, all Russo Bros) were not afraid to go dark and stay dark for the sake of the story. Heck the end of Infiinity War was straight up shocking and depressing (I was expecting that Thanos would get the stones and even snap, but didn't think it would happen during that movie, and wow was it a shock), with all the heroes in disbelief and bewilderment at what just happened. That is one of the biggest problems with the MCU now: things can't be too dark, too serious, otherwise they fear they become like DC (which isn't the problem, honestly). But also the quality of writing just isn't there, and with several writers straight up saying that they often write the movies as they go (Both MoM and AM:QM writers practically admitted it), it is no wonder the MCU is in a tailspin. That and disrespecting the characters, and having everyone bending over backwards just to say how terrible our favorite heroes are, even if the writers have to twist the characters into something they aren't. Man, I miss good writing...
I think the small detail of Tony raising his arms to protect his face when Cap broke open his helmet- showing how he genuinely thought Cap would kill him for a moment- is so powerful in showing the complete breakdown of trust by the end of the movie. subtle gems like this seem to have dried up post-Endgame
The fact that in theory TV shows should have *more time* to develop new characters and set a more coherent story makes the situation even wore. Great video!
I saw "Extinction" by accident thinking it was "Secret Invasion" and thought it was really good movie till I noticed it wasn't a marvel film (the guy from ant man showed up)...
Quality analysis lad. There are many content creators but either their voice is annoying or they add too many sounds and effects to their videos. You keep it simple and focused on the content of your review. Plus your voice isn’t annoying to listen to. Great vid!
"Disney has no idea how to make a sympathetic villain."
Sometimes I wonder if Andor wasn't actually made by Disney and they just put their name on it.
I personally dont consider Andor a disney product lmfao. Yeah, its their franchise and their money. But Andor was made by people with vision and personality, who wanted to make a good piece of media. Everything else for the last few years have been souless products. Maybe except Mando s1, Wandavision and Loki, all of which teetered on the edge of being more product but escaped it since disney knew they needed actually good stuff people actually wanted to watch to sell subscriptions.
@K3end0 Moon Knight was fantastic IMO but I know a lot of people didnt enjoy it.
Well covered. I've been hooked to the MCU since the early days. Civil War was what cemented me. Peggy's funeral, where her niece tells Cap to plant himself like a tree... got me where I am. Always loved Cap, and his send off in Endgame was solid to me. But where the hell have we gone since then? There is no active character in the MCU that can grip me like how Cap did. Loki still has potential, because I was a former scene kid, but seriously without Cap, this franchise died. Tony's death was heartfelt, and a lot of people attribute RDJ's leave as the moment the MCU died, but I think it was truly when Chris Evans left. Chadwick Boseman, RIP, was the closest I felt we had to a Captain America-like leader. Chris Hemsworth was supposed to keep their legacy alive with Thor, but Taika murdered that "for the lawl". Hopefully the soft-reboot can make a character I actually like.
If only these writers put the same energy making legacy male characters look pathetic into writing a good story we might have something worthwhile... oh who am I kidding? No we wouldn't!
Odd choice to point out they are male.
Ok putting Killmonger in the same categories as those other villains is unfair. We saw WHY he did what he did and could sympathize and empathize with him and his decisions. Ruthless sure, but his logic was pretty sound if you can view it from his perspective.
my thoughts exactly; Killmonger was a damn good villain, and you can see he was because he got the hero to change his POV & his policies
I'll have to disagree. Killmonger was an embarassment of a villain and that the heros gave any consideration to his motivations for committing mass murder ruined the whole movie for me.
@@paweldI’ll have to disagree. His reasons were pretty fleshed out. It may just be that his motivations bother you given their historical origins but they certainly make sense within the context of the movie.
What was the thing that made you sympathize with his character?
Killmonger also didn't exactly turn on a dime either which I appreciate. His starter event was as a kid, he likely grieved but lived a normal, (perhaps troubled or uptight or smtn else but nothing so severe it was worth mentioning), and channeled some energy into militar before taking the routes he did. If the plot was executed that way, he could be been a decent recurring character (maybe closer to hero, or not, either works) on the level of the Winter Solder or Loki.
He's wrong in his specific path, he's extreme, he's been slowly steaming on his beliefs. He ain't perfect but he isn't forcibly made a one and done except they chose to kill him.
Rhodey can't actually be a Skrull until after Endgame since he both bled red, and almost died to drowning since he couldn't get to his suit as of his busted-ass spine when the facility collapsed on him
But they will probably just forget that
Lets hope the Rhodey thing either gets retconned or turns out that it was a trick by the Skrulls.
This was so fun to watch I literally got goosebumps when you broke down civil war (my favorite marvel movie). I feel like every time we think you can’t do better you prove us wrong 👏🏼👏🏼 keep going ✊🏼this made my day.
I have no idea why they didn't make bucky captain america, he was groomed and set up for an amazing captain america redemption story, only to have captain falcon come in and fuck it all up. It really doesn't matter anymore though, I have no interest in the mcu now, its time to wipe the board and start again.
"The story has become a convoluted mess, expecting the audience to watch the TV shows to understand the films."
So what you're saying is ... the MCU has become an adaptation of a Marvel comic book?
When you watch this show and then watch the LMD arc in the fourth season of AOS that culminates in "Self control"...you realize that there's no comparison.
I remember an animated series of Avengers from my childhood in which this alien race invades the earth, the Skrulls, the whole time we are told how the attacks are completely unpredictable, suddenly leaders are killed and in one of the episodes the Avengers start to distrust themselves, but Captain America arrives and tells them how they must remain united to defeat this invasion, and in the same episode that this happens it is revealed at the end that Captain America is one of the Skrulls and you don't know where the real Captain America is and wonder what the hell is going to happen when the only person the Avengers trust is actually the only infiltrator.
That is how Secret Invasion should be, you don't need super powers, just have a alien race come in from outside, start infiltrating, manipulating people into distrusting each other, and you have Nick who could not only have to try to create a network of cooperation between world leaders, as well as making sure that the Shield itself is not being destroyed from the inside.
This is why I stopped watching the MCU. Something felt off about what they were trying to do with the characters and storyline. So, I simply stopped watching. But if there was a way to save the MCU, it would be to do a soft-reboot where Phase 4 & 5 are made irrelevant to the previous 3 Phases (maybe just said to have happened in another universe). Start with a brand-new Phase and a new direction going forward, with better writers and no political bullcrap. But that won't happen. Even if they did do a soft-reboot, they wouldn't leave their political agendas behind.
Love this criticism.
Reflects the absurdities going down within the story writing quality rn
The Rhodey thing, I believe it's post Endgame where he was captured. I believe that his blood is shown in Endgame and it's definitely not the color green but is instead the human red. It also seems hard (given the tech stuff Tony probably does with Rhodes) for him to have hidden his shape shifter blood from Tony. Also, I think the evil plan started when Fury decided to leave planet which wasn't until after the Blip, I think, going off of Fury dusting on earth. And the Blip happened like right in the middle of Endgame
I cannot believe they held the mystery behind fury’s eye back for so long and it’s just because a fucking cat scratched him
I have no idea why your videos were never suggested to me until now. This video reminded me just how amazing Civil War really was. I mean, I always liked it and rewatch phases 1-3 about 3/4 times a year but man, this analysis was amazing. Subbing now and binging ur channel. GREAT EFFIN VIDEO❤
Bringing up the ending to Civil War... reminds me how all that tension was ever actually capitalized on. They worked everything out off screen lol.
You should totally make a video about the Secret invasion arc in AEMH (Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes)
And how they actually manage to make us feel intrigued by who could be an imposter
Maybe the best writing decision marvel ever made was to make Tony be silent throughout the final fight in Civil War. He was actually scary.
I think Civil War is where the MCU peaked, at least for the Avengers, since then it's been on a downward trajectory, albeit not in the terminal decline it is now, but it never reached the same heights as that and all that came before it.
Man, hearing you raise up Civil War just reminds me of how much I hated Tony in that movie. Hearing him say “maybe we need more accountability after what we did in Sakovia” like it wasn’t solely his fault for building Ultron IN SECRET. Then, disregarding all sentiments of accountability, he nearly kills Bucky-someone he KNOWS spent decades under MIND CONTROL- because he sees him do something he was MIND CONTROLLED to do. The man has a hissy fit in a suit of armor that shoots lasers!!! And then hear him whine “my father made that shield” after he nearly murdered a man in a rage, when he had been touting responsibility and needing restraint days before.
He didn't just see mind controlling and I think you could disregard that when you literally see your PARENTS be killed on screen and not know why for years and turns out the man is right in front of you.
Tony wasn't in a emotionally stable place. He and Pepper had taken a break and he was scared they were going to break up, after years off not being accountable for his actions, him finding out that people has died because of them and now the man he trusted the most doesn't agree with his ideas.
And then finding out that his parents was brutally murdered and the man who killed them is right there? Plus also finding that the man he trusted the most is protecting said killer? Tony knew deep down that Bucky wasn't in control of his actions but he wasn't emotionally stable to see reason. To cap it off even further (no pun intended) Steve choosing Bucky was like the ultimate betrayal for him because once again, while Tony often clashed with Steve, he trusted him the most. And of course he wouldn't want a man who betrayed him to wear the shield his father wore, especially when he sided with the man who killed said father.
@@TroySoy oh I’d be furious, I’d scream myself hoarse, I’d probably blast something and I wouldn’t want to see Bucky’s face for a year or more. But if a week ago a woman handed me a picture of her son that I killed, I’d think twice about what kind of power I had.
@@k.g.7591 that's you, everyone can handle things differently and even the smartest people in the world can make terrible mistakes, it's the point of Tony's character almost he makes mistakes all the times it's what his movies are all about even Avengers.
@@k.g.7591 that's you, everyone can handle things differently and even the smartest people in the world can make terrible mistakes, it's the point of Tony's character almost he makes mistakes all the times it's what his movies are all about even Avengers.
Secret Invasion was a pretty good stand-alone show for the first half. What made it all fall apart was the idea of a Super Skrull not being a massive avengers level threat, who sas somehow defeated by powerless dudes and another less-trained super-skrull.
Secret Invasion shouldve been a multi-part series, with the first season being about uncovering the "Secret Invasion" and the following seasons being about finding ways to fight it from the shadows.
I dont mind Secret Invasion being, well secret, but it needs to be done realistically. Pulling a super-skrull out your ass halfway in is just ridiculous in pacing and unbelievable.
Its really shows how everything pretty much start going downhill after Stan Lee passed away. Just goes to show that the franchise truly ended when he was gone.
I think they should reveal in the next Avengers, that the current phase of the MCU is a version of the multiverse where everything gone wrong, and show that this was Kang's plans all the time, moving little pieces here and there to fuck up everything, and then retcom everything since endgame.
Oooooh, maybe that’ll kind of happen!
Man this made me want to rewatch Civil War so badly
What really frustrated me when I was watching the show was when he said he wouldn’t call any heroes/avengers because it was his problem. Like it wasn’t his whole thing to be the behind the scenes leader that helped build recon and bring the team together? His job was literally to CALL the avengers 💀
If the writers can’t take their own set ups seriously, begs the question why the audience ever would. Little moments like the eye scratch add up more than we realize, and compound to the lack of interest we ultimately see now
8:03 "Blasted from behind" 🤨
sus😂
“What if we subvert the fans so much we just openly mock them in the show?” ‘That’s a little heavy handed… does this have anything to do with you meeting that CZcams critic in real life?’ “NO!! I owned him in a comment section like a week later! This is totally different! I want exploit subverversion to its peak!”
Great job, I just subscribed and I’m glad I found your channel.
I would disagree with America Chavez being shown as an example of powers just handed over easily. She struggled throughout the movie and her entire life to control her powers, and went on to use it intentionally for the first time at the climax after she gains control and confidence through the one and only Strange that was ever good to her.
Great video! It's always nice to find people who share the same pain and voice it.
For me Fury was "The Man with The Plan"-Character. A chess player, always several steps ahead. His flaw (you know, for a character to overcome, to give them some development) he believed in utilitarianism (in a militaristic way). Killing people for the greater good was okay for him (and maybe even necessary, don't know if i'm mixing cinematic and comic Furys right now). Then came Captain Marvel and i thought "Is that the same guy? Okay, maybe because it's a prequel!?". But then came Secret Invasion and Fury was just Old Man, not even Old Man Logan (who wanted to just die, but overcame that notion in the story, you know, like stories should be told!), no, Fury just kept being Old Man, nothing else. Death of a character through bad bad writing!
"I dont care, he killed my mom" every son felt that line
Daughters couldn't care less
Gravic was actually the one thing I liked about Secret Invasion and thought the actor did a good job. He genuinely had a presence on screen, got your attention and had a bit of a chaotic and unpredictable element to him which is cool in a villain. But yes agree he could've been written WAY better, his motivations were shallow and stupid, so as a result his actions seemed unreasonable.
But at the very least it was an actual VILLAIN who committed the crimes! And not that "Every single crime, no matter how dark, the female MC commits is justified because she's a female MC" -bullshit Marvel's been pulling since Wandavision.
Me watching how they ruined the characters of Rodey, Maria and Fury:
That's when I got the brilliant idea to pretend this series isn't canon.
I love the part were a 4'11 woman with the same power completely dominated a 6'1 Gravik. Who earlier fought a room full of man and won
“Oh sh!t she got an Iron Man Suit!!” Hahaha
Civil war is the best of MARVEL there ever will be.. man the emotions of all the characters respresented perfectly. Ironman’s hate and grief.. Captain’s Loyalty and sadness.. Bucky’s remorse.. it was a rollercoaster of emotions. When i got first out of the theatre i was all on board with ironman is right as time went by i sided with Captain because its not a mistake if your will was not involved. I was stunned that a movie gave me a character development..❤
Can you imagine if secret invasion was the debut appearance of the skrulls? Like shield or the avengers or earth had zero knowledge of the skrulls existence. Characters slowly not acting like themselves, not knowing if those characters who got replaced were killed or just kidnapped and the people who figure out the invasion, like fury’ are seen as almost insane and then the actual invasion happens as a surprise attack without the heroes expecting it. Oh wait they already did that in earth’s mightiest heroes, a cartoon that came out more than a decade ago
I would want you to compare Marvel phase 1, The Indian Action film RRR and Marvel Phase 4. Trust me this will be a banger
when peacemaker had a better secret invasion story then secret invasion
Holy shit. I never saw this series and I'm so glad. What a colossal dump they took on Rhodey.
I got off the MCU train after the first season of Loki. Like most, I was all in through End Game; shed a tear right before the final battle and everything. 11 years invested at that point. Like most people, I feel like Disney should've slowed, or hell, even stop at that point. End Game was the pinnacle of the MCU. I don't see how it can be topped.
The fact that they decided to make some lame cat the hole reason why fury lost his eye tells that there no care anymore
I’m a big fan of this “why ____ sucks” video series
I'm baffled beyond belief that they're trying to explain that Fury lost his eye to a cat. How the fuck did that idea get green lit?
It was annoying how Nick Fury couldn’t kill that skrull Rhodey sooner, for what? Because there will be a leak of “Nick” killing Hill? Black Widow got to send in every data about SHIELD, HYDRA, and herself, she didn’t care about the reprocussions, she wanted to do the right thing. Besides, Nick could have cleared his names by proving the skrulls
I'm still in shock at how blatantly they shit on Fury.
You thought killmonger wasn’t sympathetic? Interesting
I think he could have been but they botched the writing. Check out my black panther video its mostly about him if you curious on my take.
@@jedibrooks7235 fair. This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. I thought this was otherwise spot on, so I’ll def check it out!
I sorta agree with this videos points, the only strong parts of secret invasion were the action scenes and the parts of the spy and espionage aspects that didn't come from fury.
secret invasion is the first and only time in the MCU where I wish they would just pretend it never happened instead of trying to fix it
Taking a drink just as that infamous scene from She-Hulk popped on the screen was a bad move.