I have been watching some "MCU suck now, this is why" videos and this was a breath of fresh air. All those videos jumped on and fueled the hate wagon (which sells tbh) for the extra attention. Gets boring quite fast, if I didn't agree with the idea already, I wouldn't watch any of those. What is your point? This guy on the other hand makes spot on arguments, don't use any provocative language whatsoever, backs his points with valid comparisons and proves WHY the "thing" with Marvel nowadays is wrong. Most importantly, the video IS entertaining. Thumbs up and thank you for the video.
I’m curious what creators you’re referring to? I watch a lot of “MCU sucks” creators but I can’t think of any who “fuel hate.” They all simply point out the facts that this guy pointed out.
There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......
You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.
Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑
My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium But she has a machine that can find it
I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"
Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing. Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.
Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷♂️.
I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.
If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations
12:19 "Now we're in the no accountability era..." Iron Man 2008 Press conference scene: "I saw young Americans killed by the very weapons i created to protect and defend them. I saw that I had become part of the very system that has become comfortable with zero accountability." Tony understood that with great power comes great responsibility. It's why he was pro-Sokovia Accords, why he wanted to take the fight to thanos, and why he ultimately chose to snap his fingers. He was willing to be accountable for every life that crossed paths with his, and why he was willing to sacrifice his life in iron man 1, avengers 1, infinity war, and endgame.
One of the best ways to make a believably intelligent character is to show them encountering problems, failing, and then innovating solutions to those problems. That's something Tony does all the time. There are entire youtube videos devoted to listing the number of features in his creations that are actually solutions to problems in previous films. Everything from different ways to summon his armour to the fact that Peter's suit had a heater in it. I somehow doubt Riri is ever going to fail in a significant way, let alone have opportunities to improve and make sure it doesn't happen again.
One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism
Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.
It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.
So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.
Not everything. Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.
@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.
The clips of Tony's robot arm that you added in here at 13:08, reminded me of just how much character they were able to give that machine... How often have you felt sorry for a disembodied robotic arm being told that it's worthless?? They managed to make it look and sound DEJECTED. I felt more affection for that piece of metal than anything in phase 4 of Marvel.
One of the things I've praised frequently with Iron Man over later movies of the MCU is the level of detail they showed of Tony putting his suit together. We are talking about those welding scenes, those testing scenes (of each individual part, and then together, which is how you do it in reality) every assembling part coming together, etc, which were just mesmerising, because those scenes were impressive, even if you're not into mechanics and what not. I was much more impressed with the development of the first Iron Man suit than the introduction of the nano suit. Similarly, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) also did the same thing, where he drafted his suit, tried out his abilities, etc. Both had a similar formula, both succeeded beyond imagination, it's not a coincidence.
That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself. She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.
She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong. Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!! They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching
@@jubelectron_elephant_rap I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why? She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.
@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)
Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.
To be fair, she was NEVER going to replace Iron Man. They could have a time machine, access to every actress that ever existed and unlimited funding and she wasn't going to replace Iron Man. But they could have made her a better character in her own right.
Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill
@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.
also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character
It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.
That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that
@@totallynotamimic3522 My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her. I mean...wtf?
@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.
Riri was hated by comic book fans. introduced at the same time as Miles Morales, to fulfill a different purpose. everyone hated it. it genuinely fills me with joy to see they fucked up this badly. not because they did a bad job. but because they translated her character so perfectly. Riri is NOT a good character. she never was, and never will be. and i find it so poetic that she's been introduced now. so late in the game. where her impact will be minimal. Tony Stark got shine as Iron Man. and shine he did. brought to life so magically by the intoxicating charisma of RDJ. Ironheart was destined to fail, and i am so glad it has. this is exactly what Riri deserved. perfect misery.
I know right, hope all their anti legacy characters made and created to fit a new dawn of forced liberalisation of comics and movies fail miserably, as they already are
I think the reason why Tony Starks death was so devastating was because we knew this character really well, and we watched him change his ways. Now the mcu is a 80s sitcom where the main male character used too much hair gel and they have to crack jokes every 10 seconds or else it just becomes very boring.
2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.
And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!! We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.
@@Byronic19134, let's explore that. Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something. I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat. Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.
Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.
It seems like the writers have forgotten rule 2 of writing a story: hurt your characters, then hurt them more. Ironheart has no call to action, no painful moment to inspire heroism. She's just... Doing things for fun?
@@khora3845basically the point of that character is to satisfy the "woke" community (basically the reason modern media has characters from other races and sexualities in movies, games, shows, etc.) before being a good character.
Comic Riri's first suit was based on an abandoned Iron Man suit she had, and was only possible by stealing many MANY components from a comic book level MIT. It also barely worked, much like Tonys first. Despite being made in a university workshop and not a cave. It was extraordinary, but believable for a comic genius.
My biggest issue with Ironheart is how quickly she went from a scrappy looking suit to a literal god-tier Wakandan one within minutes, and also the fact that the Wakandan suit looked like fake plastic CGI garbage
Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach. Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.
@@WanderTheNomad it was soft-retconned as in it was basically just ignored as part of Tony's arc going forward. Him retiring at the end and his general headspace are forgotten and age of ultron continues from avengers 1 like the events of Iron Man 3 never happened. So they can't really bring back harley because Tony already has a protege in Peter and it would be very jarring for harley to just be re-retconned back into being relevant.
In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation
An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart). Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing
Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart
Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.
I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.
@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.
I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.
Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.” So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was. Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊
"What inspired you to be a hero?" Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility." Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis." Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing." Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."
All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing. Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made" I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s... All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.
Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.
@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)? Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.
@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.
I think what also helps iron man’s case for believability is that he built his suit out of desperation. Whereas Riri just kind of, does it? You know what they say, necessity is the mother of invention.
Didnt iron man 2 establish that no one could replicate his suits not even entire governments with unlimited resources and funding, but somehow a random college student was able just to spite their teacher man marvel writing had gotten ridiculously lazy.
No, the sheep has gotten more stupid. The retarded sheep that can't wait for a review and pay to see this garbage. Make no mistake, if people didn't spend their money on the crap, they would either change or quit doing it. And that's a win-win. So, don't blame them; blame the donkeys that has no will of their own and just mindlessly consumes.
Well, let's remember that this is about a decade after Iron Man 2, with several generation's worth of tech improvements not to mention dozens of probably leaked schematics, lost tech, pirated photos and videos of the suits. I mean, a few decades after the nuclear bomb, with barely any TV and radio compared to today, there were dozens of scientists probably capable of building nukes that were reverse engineered from what they heard or saw on TV. That being said, it's....yeah.
To be fair, Tony Stark built his suit in a CAVE with SCRAPS. It's less about resources than genius. Like the flunky said, "I'm not Tony Stark." Unfortunately, saying that somebody's a genius isn't the same as convincing the audience they are, and Riri just didn't sell it.
They can build the suit. They just can’t build the power source by themselves to power them efficiently. Arc reactors are a beast of energy source which they completely sidelined after iron man 2
In retrospect I am glad Tony Stark sacrificed himself, removing himself from the MCU. After what they did to Thor I can't even begin to imagine what they would have done to Tony Stark. I base this off how Tony Stark is the antithesis of the message Disney wants to put out and how his character was treated in "What if...?"
What if honestly has to be some of the most dogshit writing i have ever seen in a film/series by a major hollywood studio... some "cool" ideas (also some really stupid ones) but terrible execution.. not to mention that "animation" idk if it can even be called that... that shit made my eyes bleed
The only reason why I clapped at the end of Black Panther 2 was due to how much of a disgrace this film was. The only 2 moments that were fun was the first few minutes thinking" no way I can get disappointed because I already figured how this will go". And then the ending because it was genuinely kind of sad but then I thought about the rest of the movie and decided " still garbage tho"
I think the main difference between Tony's success in building his suit(Mark 2) and Riri's is that we actually get to see Tony's progression step-by-step. Tony having multiple failed attempts, getting hurt from his attempts, spending god knows how much money and how much time to fix them and learn from his mistakes. All that, made Tony's success felt like its really earned. A literal break-through in Tony's career and life. Despite being a genius and having experiences in making Mark 1, he still had his fair share of mistakes when making Mark 2. Meanwhile, Riri made her own very functional suit in her garage, despite being only a college student and it didn't really helped when the studios didn't show her progression when making the suit. Her success didn't felt earn at all. You could argue that Tony built Mark 1 in a cave but he had help from another genius as well, and despite that, Mark 1 can only do so much
Tony: Went through hell to develop his technology. Was kidnapped and almost died due to his friend betraying him. Spent years developing his suit that not a single other person could figure out how to make by themselves. Riri: Somehow figured out how to make an ironman suit offscreen.
How did she build a vibranium detector? I haven't seen the movie, but the summarizations of the plot have made it seem like she never had any vibranium to study.
I think it's worth noting that she was an MIT student, with MIT being the alma mater of Tony Stark, who was not only a guest lecturer but also funded research grants for students from urban city schools, which would apply to Riri (assuming she lived in the actual city of Chicago and not a suburb of it I guess). When you combine that with the growing awareness of Stark tech and various superhero mumbo jumbo (think Vulture and his acquisition of Chitari tech), it's not above the realm of possibility that a young, gifted student could learn to make a fairly janky (in its first iteration) Ironman suit, the same way we can believe that a young, gifted, aspiring MIT student Peter Parker can design his own web shooters and use Stark tech to build a new suit at the end of FFH.
@@mrkrono It would of been an neat inversion of the general comic book tech stasis to have the reason, Riri is able to build Ironman suit is because tech has advanced. It kind of shows that by having her finish her suit in Wakanda where a Ironman suit is way less cutting edge.
Who tf else think the kid in Ironman 3 is a better choice for Ironheart -both character and actor himself? His connection with Tony has already been established: he’s crafty and resourceful; he was Tony’s first mentee; he inspired Tony and helped him get through panic attack. He’s funny and an underdog, and his backstory was brief but already touched And Ty Simpkins can act circle around Riri any day of the week But noooo, let’s honor the original comic even though Disney has virtually desecrated all original stories since 2020
You know why they want ironheart to be the original unlike most of the others. I just think its funny they did not have her steal it like in the original.
Yeah but they couldn't risk the backlash they'd get for making them a white man. After all, didn't you know 90% of a characters value comes from their race and gender?
That's impossible. He's too white and too male for the role. Can't have that in 2023, every character has to be anything but a white male, because reasons.
First, love this! I was worried when I heard about Marvel's Ironheart because even some of the comics weren't as strong. How were they going to do it for live action? Also I really love how passionate and louder you get when you are reaming out Marvel! Haha!
the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break. His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead. He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.
Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.
He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!
I can't help but respond to this over-dramatic silliness, being heartbroken about comic book movies is cringey. I gotta share my own exaggerated take that these extreme reactions like heartbreak for the most trivial things and indifference to more pressing issues is why our society is really fucked up. 😊
@@user-mw1pp9yh8x You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I don't care if you believe my reaction is extreme. This video is specifically referring to the subject, and therefore you should have expected comments like mine. Do you really believe that someone's comment for a franchise on a video that's *specifically* made for it is why society is fucked? Do you also believe that app reviews on Google Play contribute to how fucked up society is? You don't make any sense.
@@user-mw1pp9yh8x Um, no, no, art and storytelling have always and always will inspire morality in society if we care about them and make them right; it's actually those like you that are the reason why our society is really fucked up. You have no empathy, kid, you're a prejudiced sociopath.
@@user-mw1pp9yh8xoh of that is cringy. What is your response. I don't know a word that would describe cringe 1000 worse. Yeah there are some more important problems. But does that mean I can't enjoy stuff. And say my opinion if the enjoyment is taken from me because of shitty writing?
@@user-mw1pp9yh8xNobody asked, nobody cares. I don't know if you really don't realize that if something is cringey or not doesn't fucking matter, you could say that giving cringe importance IS cringey, which is ironic. And even that, feelings for art is completely human. Shut your edgy ass, nobody asked.
Part of the problem is introducing the successor to one of the most beloved movie characters as a side character, there was very little way that was going to go well
Ironheart’s “whooo” during the final battle just shows how disconnected she is from the plot. The Wakandans are fighting a series life and death battle and she’s treating that event like she’s on a roller coaster, desensitized to the carnage around her and how this battle is happening *because of her.*
@@aitoluxd did I say something about batman here? CZcams doesn't show me my own comments and replies for some reason(hey maybe i am a bot) and I've no other explanation for getting a notification of your reply rn so, I'm just curious XD
This sums up all my issues with Ironheart. The fact she did everything she did (prior to being made to help) just to prove someone wrong made her come off as more selfish than Tony. At least Tony owned up to his mistakes. Meanwhile Iron heart starts a war and just says "Fuck off I'm not helping"? Am I supposed to like her? Because I don't like her.
The kid that helped Tony repair his suit, you all should remember him, was also at his funeral, and seen multiple other times, he would have been perfect to take up the iron man mantle, the kid was notable and intelligent enough to gain tonys attention, he should have been the next iron man, and it would have been seem less to, the kid was around in the iron man story before the avengers, it would have been so nice, but, diversity, and equality won out, now, almost every remaining and non retired marvel hero is female, and they aren't even well written female characters either.
Tony created a new kind of technology in order to escape his captors and fight for his freedom. He then went on to use that technology for the good of mankind after seeing all the harm his weapons had caused. Riri built a machine to spite her teacher because he said she sucked and that she couldn't do it. This machine started a war that got innocent people killed, and when asked to help she tells them to fuck off because she has math class. These two are not the same. Fantastic breakdown.
Um, I disagree. Tony's arrogance and ego displayed in Age of Ultron definitely contradicts this. Where his technology (an A.I. global peace initiative) once again threatens human lives. Despite Ultron's 200% failure to full-fill this, he gambles on the creation of Vision... There are many situations simular to this. Riri lacks character development, yes. And had the unfortunate circumstance of being casted during lower teir period of MCU's story writing history. However, her contribution to major historical technological developments at a young age, despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America/the world is impressive to say the least. Tony stark is an egotistical billionaire philanthropist who made his fortunes on wars and the deaths of millions of people worldwide. Riri, also a genius, works well with others and has made countless positive strides in comparison to Tony. No they are absolutely not the same.
@@christopherwashington1586, grow up. They were both human, ignorance is pure bigotry over skin color and equity is nothing but a free ride to appropriate. Did you even watch Iron Man? He saved the entire freaking universe, moron. She can do her own thing, big get off the iron man Tony Stark hate, he brought her up and helped another genius. MSheU only ruined a good story from comics, but it's still all fiction.
@@christopherwashington1586 "despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America" But she doesn't seem to be disadvantaged in the slightest. When we meet her she's enjoying a privileged lifestyle in a prestigious college. You're right about Tony though, he definitely ended up hurting a lot of people. He's to blame for Iron Monger, Ultron, the Sokovia Accords, and that stupid drone-powered assassination system he gave to a teenager in Far From Home. The MCU's overarching narrative definitely tells us that Tony changed, but his actual actions show that he was constantly causing huge problems for everyone from start to end.
The most frustrating thing about Ironheart is that this was already tried, and also failed, in the comics back in the mid-2010s. So not only did they show they don't understand why Iron Man worked, they showed they can already see a character fail, and then not learn from it.
Makes me think they were banking on society being dumbed down enough in great enough numbers,that the concept would be accepted this time around. Guess what? Wrong lol
Yeah, like not only people just didn't like the idea of Riri Williams in the Comics - the character and her Comics are overall just a great example of horrible writting... And the Comics Editorial seems to have caught up on that, because they forcefully sidelined the hell out of Ironheart. But since MCU is run by a different part of Marvel, all these idiots see is "a woman of color that is a genius" - and somehow they managed to make Riri even more irritaiting in the MCU (which I never thought was possible).
No, no, no, no. Just because Ms Marvel failed among the comics many times, and because Riri has failed, doesn't mean that if we try again, and really, really, really want it to succeed that it won't. You just have to believe more, that will change everything.
It is similar in the comics, Riri Williams is shown to be a prodigy of a human being who must take the spot of Tony Stark (in coma). Just that it is way way worse, she keeps playing the victim card, and her whole point is because she black and female. Like the whole issue with her is why she exists, there are other black female marvel heroes , We just saw Shuri, we also know Storm from the X men. They are not loved cause of the fact that they are black n have female as their sex. And are not even loved just cuz how awesome they were from the moment they were seen, They are loved for we as fans enjoyed their journey. Riri Williams just and always feels a replacement to Anthony Edward Stark whether it is the comics or the movies. It is all to "fill in". Now people will say that hey! we have Miles Morales, or Kate Bishop the whole Hawkeye series saw here develop as a hero we can be proud of (and for me to crush on but okay), the growth is what makes Kate Bishop works. We don't have an issue with the character but at least make them enjoyable, make them struggle n come over their inner demons. And Marvel doesn't get that. At most they will provide you a bunch of fan service to cover for it, not getting that it wont make up to the expectations of the audience.
They couldn't do that because then ironmans replacement couldn't be a woman. Remember it's very important that they remain inclusive. This is modern Disney after all.
Y'all remember that scene from Civil War where Rhodes gets hit by Vision 's beam and starts free falling. Rhodes LOST consciousness from the G's and spiraling (EVEN THOUGH HE'S AN EXPERIENCED PILOT). He didn't get dumb luck like Riri. He hit the ground and got PARALYZED. But Riri, lost consciousness due to low oxygen, and free called spiraled too. Shouldn't she, being not a experience pilot, still had remained unconscious because of the G's too? Instead her Ironheart armor is also fitted with resourceful plot armor too, and she miraculously wakes up AND SLOWS DOWN just before she hit the water. When I watched that scene, I wasn't even nervous or anxious for her. I was just mad at the sad fact of poor writing.
I mean in Rhodes’s case there wasn’t much he could do except accept death The Blast Vision did hit the core which turned off the suits power. But yeah RiRi just happened to wake up in time and save herself.The Gs should’ve kept her knocked out
@@Nobody-qh2fvbasically, when an object has to travel in a circular-esc arc, a force, called a centripetal force, has to act on it to change the direction of its velocity. You can feel the effects of this centripetal force if you are in a car going over a hump really fast. This concept is quite important for airplanes, because you will be making sharp turns which end up with a lot of centripetal force on the person flying the plane, and too much can cause the person to pass out if they make too tight a corner or something. The reason why centripetal force is also called “G-force” or “G’s” is because usually, instead of measuring it in Newton’s (the standard unit of force), it’s a convention to measure it in g’s, where 1g is the force exherted by gravity on earth, 2g is two times this force, etc
Let's not forget the total disregard for basic human biology too, that sudden stop wouldn't be without physical repercussions. If she didn't have a broken neck (no matter the amount of padding) then I'd think she would have at least broken her back, shoulders, and legs, been bruised from the straps and had a number of tendons seriously damaged if not severed completely. Remember how many bruises and scrapes/cuts Tony had from falling onto his car after the first flight?
"I became part of a system that is confortable with zero accountability", this line, while been thrown as a critic of the industrial military complex, is also a foreshadowing of his future engagement in civil War for more accountability for the super heroes.
And if you're feeling uncharitable, it can also apply to Marvel movies made in the last few years. They crap out a shallow, paint by numbers shell of a film, written by an accountant robot that learnt psychology from mobile game in-app purchases, then get a pile of money in the first week it's released from people who swear they can stop any time if they wanted to, before completely discarding the movie because it was only a disposable money grab, and only ever mentioning it again as Easter eggs in subsequent movies to trick the people who still watch them into thinking they're a "community." Anything reasonable that people criticise is twisted into a "why do you hate poor/ethnic/female people" because then people ignore the criticism trying to prove how righteous they are and the executives can jerk off with wads of money while the proles eat each other.
Iron Man:"Who are you?" Iron Heart:"I'm your replacement Tony!" Iron Man:"So I sacrificed myself for nothing." Iron Heart:"Yes you have!" This is just depressing honestly Tony Stark is the better character.
Marvels first success not super heroes. Wish i caught that mistake in time lol your totally right and not the first and wont be the last to remind me lol
Riri was built as a mary sue. "I can detect Vibranium! I have my own suit! I'm also still in college!" Tony had ACTUAL character development. Riri can't even hold a candle to Tony.
Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show. If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense. But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.
She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.
@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all
It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.
@@kamerasengan *laughs in abortion* The fact that so many women lost their shit when scotus said they can't murder babies anymore is the basis of my take. If women instinctively cared about anyone but themselves, Roe v Wade would have never been a thing.
@@fluffylittlebear Plenty, I'm sure. Saving people isn't a man thing or a woman thing, just depends on that person's disposition, morals, bravery, etc. Also, your own children do count, the person I was responding to said "protecting people other than themselves", your children are not yourself. That's still being selfless and having protective instincts for other people.
the way they introduce the girl its similar to that Pacific Rim Uprising (which we all agree that Pacific Rim never had a sequel), a girl that is so smart, built hear own robot like nothing without showing us the progress of her tinkering and actually building it, then suddenly so swiftly pilots the robot without any exprience.
The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong. She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder. Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.
In the first 10 minutes of iron man we learn -who tony is -why he’s there/what’s his intent -what he thinks -feel bad for him -understand he’s the good guy -watch him beat up the bad guys -he’s a genius In the first 10 minutes of iron heart we learn -she’s an ass x3 -she’s a murderer x10+ -she has iron man suit (somehow) -idk
@@Looona_fan i don't like the character but the reason why they had to avoid her origin is because it's a black panther movie (which also suck apart from tribute and namour scenes)
As a wise man once said, 'Because Tony learns from his mistakes.' but the new characters cannot make any mistakes because they are so awesome. With all of the new movies coming out being disappointing it's weird seeing how different the film's are that got me into this genre in the first place.
"Tony learns from his mistakes" And yet the very last thing he does in the MCU is give a weapon of mass destruction to a teenager, resulting in the partial destruction of London. It's almost like he learned nothing at all.
@@peacemaster8117 This is not an example of a mistake that Tony made, but a mistake of writing. Tony would have had a plan, a way for Jarvis or someone else to find his replacement, or a method for making sure his tech didn't fall into the wrong hands. Instead the writers got lazy and threw it away as a lazy plot device.
I thought this was really well put together I’m impressed. You captured the essence of the first iron mans compared and contrasted to her introduction very well. Even if she had her stand alone movie I still don’t know they would’ve done it well. I do wish they showed her uprising where she came from and the struggles she had but nope:/
The killing the cops with the drone is just crazy to me. She just potentially murdered 5 family fathers or moms that did nothing to deserve this. Its okay though because police bad, minority teenager MIT student good.
12:18 "Now we're in the no accountability era where nothing matters. Superheroes no longer save people." PERFECT. We could apply that to so many of the more recent Marvel movies. There's this phenomenon we see in these movies and in comics too (especially where the main character is a woman or minority) where the main characters make bad to wrong decisions, but the story treats them as great or correct ones simply because the story only exists to make the character look good. No accountability or consequence.
I am not sure they need to be a woman or minority, protagonist centered morality can involve guys too. Heck Ironman does flat out attempt to murder a person in civil war and while he shown in a bad place by the end of it, that line is pretty quickly dropped. Poor writing is a tale of old as time, and they will attempt to use anything to shield poor writing, In a way it was amazing the MCU was as consistently good as it was for so long.
GOTG vol 3 could be the LAST good MCU film EVER ! And to me, that was the perfect ending to the MCU ! I'm officially done with this franchise ! There is absolutely NOTHING left to look forward to in this franchise held by an evil studio like Disney
ya know, ironheart was a part of the comics, and was an intern working under tony stark, trying to learn all she could, if we had at least that, there'd be something to build from. but no, not even that, they took a shell of a character meant to say to an audience "look, we're inclusive too!!" and hollowed her out even more
Agreed some of the MCU movies are not about inclusivity and not about storytelling, that's a big part of the problem as well. The point is to not care about race and respect the character's traditions. Having a Spanish snow white is just as much of an insult as having a white Malcom X would be.
Phase 1 of Marvel is truly marvelous, they able to combine Sci-fi (Iron Man), Fantasy (Thor), War (Captain America) and Horror (Hulk) to make The Avengers. Today's Marvel Phases are all Fantasy :/ to me at least.
Yet somehow they want us to believe that these are the new Avengers to take on the next Thanos threat? Yeah that is complete BS and Kang was already defeated twice and therefore is not a Thanos level villain.
Those ants from Quantumania are way more prepared to be the next avengers than any of these knock off characters. Nick fury needs to recruit those ants asap.
What really weakens Riri as a character is that this wasn’t her movie. She’s essentially a plot device in Shuri’s movie designed to be the crux of the war between the Talokan’s and Wakandan’s. Her origin is a sub plot of someone else’s story, so the details and actual character work in it is skimmed over so they can get straight to the action for a future project. We get a few lines with generic emotion about her dad and the work she’s done, then straight back to the same style of quips that everybody has because CGI and humour has become a crutch the MCU has become addicted to abusing. Similar thing with America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness. We get a bit about her backstory, a small arc about her learning to control her power via a 30 second motivational speech, and most importantly… a walking plot device to serve as the crux of the conflict within the story. Marvel is so obsessed with introducing as many new characters as they can for future projects that they sacrifice actual character development and writing to slap them into a bigger character’s story so they can churn out another dozen projects within a year (at least)
Yeah since gwen can get a really strong story in what basically a miles morales movie, I'm sticking with "MCU is spiraling downward." They used to know how to do this. I mean black widow is developed in every other superhero's movies. War machine, falcon, loki, goddam wong. They used to know how to make good stories for side characters.
I think it would work really well if it was reversed. Make the new character the main character, and have them be part of the stories of other characters. We could've followed Riri and have her roped into the Talokan and Wakandan conflict, but it followed HER, not Shuri. I don't really like that because I want focus on Shuri too, but it would at least make us care for the new characters too
One thing that is not talked about enough is how clean her suit feels. It's epurated, it glows blue, and the sounds don't match anything we're used to hear in real life. The first Iron Man suit was like a frying pan with motors. It was fucking heavy, tanky, and it crashed on its first flight. Then when Tony finally went back home, we had the opportunity to actually see him work on the suit, making prototypes (even getting the idea of the repulsor from the mug's handle). And at first it didn't feel like Iron man, because he wasn't him yet. Remove the fiction and it was literally ColinFurze building random things in his garage. And after heavy prototyping, we finally get a suit that doesn't even wear the brand colors of Iron Man to showcase how much of a prototype it still is. But her, she casually had repulsors, a fricking Arc reactor, which was like one of the main plot points of IM1. And how tf does she even put the suit on ? Every time Iron Man suit model appears for the first time, it's an occasion to show us how Tony puts it on and off (Suiting up "manually" with mark 2, then having robotic arms and rims to put it on, while remaining stationary, then having a complete walk on the top of the stark tower, then when he gets thrown off by loki, then helicopter suit up, then nanotech). But her she gets ready offscreen. Like everything she does is a missed opportunity for greatness.
Even in the comics, Riri Williams was problematic. While she was a genius, she was only able to build the suit because she had access to one of the Iron Man suits and reverse-engineered it. On top of that, she made it with parts stolen from her school, then when campus security caught on to her theft she flew off in the suit...
They can’t put that in a movie where the main character is a “brave and diverse” role model. Can you imagine the hilarity that would ensue if this version of Riri shot cops and stole priceless tech?
you said it man, these are no longer heroes, but assholes with super powers, super suits, super intelligence, etc. since end game not a single "super hero" has behave like it should do. i call it the "man of steel influence" where collateral damage is no longer punishable but rather expected.
It all started with “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”. Somehow Peter Parker is the only one who is still a superhero in this franchise.
Have you ever even read a Marvel Comic? Most of the characters are assholes lol Tony Stark is an asshole as is Charles Xavier, in the comics both are shown to be very manipulative people.
I just do the same i do with star wars from a certain point i just consider series and movies non canon, even subseries that don't interest me i ignore. Spider man was about responsibility and spider man is actually one of the only current marvel heroes that still has that going. Guardians was always about redemption of these outcast of the universe trying to protect the innocent while not really having superpower but enacting the craziest plans, thor was about being worthy to wield that hammer, to be worthy of your place, captain america was about the honor of fighting as a soldier to protect people , iron man was a man's redemption story but also the story about a man without any super powers using his adept knowledge of technology to make the difference, hulk was that beast that had learn to control his anger but used said anger to fight villains. Or characters like Dr.Strange studying his i don't really know his lore "magic". Nowadays we just get political propaganda in a superhero format in which these superheroes are shells of themselves being all "super" but without any values not being any better then other humans around them in fact i would go as far to say the series the boys doesn't seem like a parody anymore if i compare it to some superhero movies nowadays.
Thing is, her being an asshole, making people pay exuberant proces for her to do their homework, her not caring about the lives of other at all, that can all work if the story punished her for it. Yet, it never does. It treats her like she's a hero when she hasn't done a single heroic thing except maybe helping with a battle that she has no stake in
I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing. These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢
Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?
@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.
@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?
@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so
"This is just a keep copy of Iron Man!" - "No, she is sassy, young, cool, black, and a girl, and somehow even smarter than Iron Man!" - "That's exactly what I meant by cheap copy."
they should js follow her story as it’s done in the comics. but in her own movie that’s not connected to the mcu at all imo. in the comics she’s actually interesting and her character makes a lot more sense rather than just being an iron man diversity insert
The Blade movies as the first highly profitable superhero films? The first three Superman movies and first 3 Batman movies were all huge hits, and the first 2 films for each of those were actually good movies. What Blade did was resurrect those kinds of movies after SM IV and Batman & Robin seemed to have killed off superhero flicks.
Tony Stark is one of cinema's greatest characters. With a decade of films to shape and mold him, he went from a billionaire playboy philanthropist that profited on war, to the very man that saved the universe by laying on the wire, and letting the world crawl over him. The ultimate sacrifice, for the ultimate hero.
I still don't get why people are comparing Ironheart with Iron Man? MCU actors have been bullshitting lies in the interviews for 15 years now. Are people still buying these bullshits or are they doing these intentionally?
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408No one was right or wrong in civil war. It was made so the audience could have interest and decide for themselves, and just for themselves. Both sides have valid points and reasoning.
11:20 what i find funny is that this attempted 'better than Tony' scene actually works against Riri. Tony encountered an obstacle not really known because this is the first sort of instance of this happening, so he discovered it, then had to rely on his creative ingenuity and fast thinking aka manually working the suit to deploy his flaps which requires knowledge of the specific workings in order to do so (yes, he built the suit, but i think it's still worth noting that in a tense situation he was able to clearly think "Okay, I can't manually pull on the flaps, but to do so also requires the servos in the legs... WORK THAT!") whereas Riri went up to where air is KNOWN to be thin, disregards this knowledge, doesn't try to think about a way AROUND the ALREADY KNOWN... WIDELY... NOT UNCOMMON... problem and just bull-rushes it, stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain. Sure, she wakes up in time, but it's pure dumb luck. Take a good look at both scenes? Tony comes out on top always, not just cause it's better writing, but even just looking at it 'in universe' where Riri has built an 'iron man suit' from junk, Tony still played it smarter. Also looked good doing it, and RDJ had a pretty good impression of 'man who just narrowly escaped falling to his death from unforseen consequences'. Don't care how smart or how composed you are. Narrowly avoiding death like that deserves a little 'YEAAAAAAAAAAH!'
also, this is why I've decided that, bar Spider-man, I'm pretty much done with Marvel movies XD. I wish Chris Hemsworth the best with Thor, it sounds like he's getting real tired of Thor getting crapped on too. One of these days i might marathon all the movies... till Endgame, that's where it should have ended. (Not Captain Marvel tho, haven't watched that, and never will, and not cause she's a woman, it's cause she's a shit person who craps on the fans. You don't like us? Fine, we don't like you either. Glad we're on the same page.) Staying with Spider-man tho, been a spider-fan my whole life and i aint stopping till he gets a happy ending... which will be never.
@@Shrimp_Insurance The risk is still there, and hitting the water at terminal velocity tends to result in injuries that could very much occur to the brain. yaknow, maybe a bit more serious than that? but eh, im sure she'd be fine. She's Riri.
4:15 This is exactly why Yinsen should've been in Tony's snap dream and not his daughter. Can you imagine if he met Yinsen and he said "You didn't waste your life".
They could make Riri more relatable and likeable If they could have Showed how Riri got inspired by Iron Man Showed how people mocked her for having silly dreams Showed how she made the suit, trial and errors It is an easy formula but would work better than what we have.
This is why I cant watch last MCU films. Thank you for explaining why its so cringe and shitty. Lazy copywriting was started on Infinity War and become even worse now.
I don't fully agree with everything you said here, but overall, this is a fantastic piece that cuts to the core of what has been going wrong. I truly hope someone in power in the MCU sees this and takes it to heart.
Tony Start was also never perfect because he needed help very often to achieve the things that he did. During the cave scene he had help from someone prepared to lay down their life to help him. while coming up with any idea or new technology in his lab he had his AI to run simulations etc and help him answer questions he couldn't answer straight away. He had Pepper help run his business giving him the time available to do what he wanted to do. In Ironman 2 his father is shown to be such a huge mentor for him and even gives Tony the answer to his problem of finding the new element he needed. All of these things add a level of realism
exactly. Those kinda things make Tony more... human? I dont know how to describe it better but he is NOT Perfect. He isnt able to build an Ironman Suit in just a warehouse.
@@bidet1098 The inflation tho, that thing is billions of dollars for a dumbass school student who doesnt know how to even throw shit right. Also in the phone scene shes a bitch which is a very bad replacement for goofy tony
Compare and contrast the helmet shot with Iron Man. The hud is close to his face, the camera is close to his face, almost like there's y'know, not a lot of space in that helmet for the viewer, the wearer and all the info in between. Look at the same shot in Ironheart. You can drive a bus through the gap between her head and the hud and the edge of the frame. It makes her helmet feel like a giant carboard box and it's jarring when they switch out of it to this sleek, form fitting helmet.
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I have been watching some "MCU suck now, this is why" videos and this was a breath of fresh air.
All those videos jumped on and fueled the hate wagon (which sells tbh) for the extra attention. Gets boring quite fast, if I didn't agree with the idea already, I wouldn't watch any of those. What is your point?
This guy on the other hand makes spot on arguments, don't use any provocative language whatsoever, backs his points with valid comparisons and proves WHY the "thing" with Marvel nowadays is wrong. Most importantly, the video IS entertaining.
Thumbs up and thank you for the video.
One of the best comments ive ever received. i really appreciate the support
I’m curious what creators you’re referring to? I watch a lot of “MCU sucks” creators but I can’t think of any who “fuel hate.” They all simply point out the facts that this guy pointed out.
@@NOREMAC007I think they mean that quite a few of them just state the obvious and don’t go into too much detail
We get it, you're a Democrat. A proud, card-carrying member of the "woke isn't even a real thing" brigade, no doubt.
He called Okoye demon...
It’s crazy how 75% of the first iron man movie didn’t even feel like a super hero movie. It’s just genuinely a good movie
Same with the Incredible Hulk
There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......
@@juniorjames7076 i own every marvel movie up to endgame. i havent even seen a marvel movie since endgame. screw the woke trash.
What the fuck does that even mean?
@@MBS..nah you're crazy
Rewatching Iron Man was a very weird experience. You can feel how far Marvel has strayed from making special characters.
You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.
Ms Marvel came out last year and everyone loved Kamala
@@Mopark25 I didnt. I couldnt even finish the first episode. Also it has pretty low ratings so you're wrong
@@edsmiley5134 98% on Rotten Tomatoes and 78% on Metacritic 😂 Looks like you're wrong.
Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑
"I am here for the Vibranium detector that you built for the CIA"
This line sounds like it was written for a fanfiction
That’s offensive for good fanfic writers.
Yeah, some fics are shit, but there are people who are way more talented than the hacks that wrote this mess
Yea, if they were writing it to graduate from middle school.
More like a redditor's wet dream
Not even one line in the movie already shows you how stupid and incompetent the writing is to the point where I can’t stop rolling my eyes
@@Sebastian_A_Var_Hermanyeah a group made a whole ass elden ring 2 convergence mod that was actually good
My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector
Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium
But she has a machine that can find it
and then says her professor is racist for doubting she could make a vibranium detector
Let's not get hung up on those pesky DETAILS man, just... yah know. Vibe?
@@user-yb7tx4gx2p You can't vibe with a story when the writing is so dogshit
@@user-yb7tx4gx2p disney:
She knew who shuri was..so obviously she'd know about vibranium
I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"
Iron Heart 🤡
Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing.
Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.
How? Plot and script magic of course 😀🤣
Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷♂️.
I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.
If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations
Exactly. That makes no goddamn sense.
Is there even a class called „Differential equations“??? Why is it not calculus? 🤔
@HNedel They wanted something unfamiliar to most people
@@HNedel I had a Differential Equations class in college, after taking Calculus. That was 30 years ago though.
@@dwboston1 i googled it, MIT offers that course, and even has lectures on it here, through OpenCourseware! Course 18.03 😄
Feel kinda stupid 🙈
12:19 "Now we're in the no accountability era..."
Iron Man 2008 Press conference scene: "I saw young Americans killed by the very weapons i created to protect and defend them. I saw that I had become part of the very system that has become comfortable with zero accountability."
Tony understood that with great power comes great responsibility. It's why he was pro-Sokovia Accords, why he wanted to take the fight to thanos, and why he ultimately chose to snap his fingers. He was willing to be accountable for every life that crossed paths with his, and why he was willing to sacrifice his life in iron man 1, avengers 1, infinity war, and endgame.
Especially sacrificing himself in Endgame to defeat Thanos.
And avengers 2 when he blew up sokovia.
One of the best ways to make a believably intelligent character is to show them encountering problems, failing, and then innovating solutions to those problems. That's something Tony does all the time. There are entire youtube videos devoted to listing the number of features in his creations that are actually solutions to problems in previous films. Everything from different ways to summon his armour to the fact that Peter's suit had a heater in it.
I somehow doubt Riri is ever going to fail in a significant way, let alone have opportunities to improve and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Even Spiderman does this very well.
@@gottagoMS123 True,both Tony and his son learn from their mistakes
Because Tony learned from his mistakes!
Ohh riri failed but she failed on the box office😂 and that she cannot learn from 😅
Marvel: fuck character development, i would make her instantly op
One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism
Poor CGI at that. I could do a hand drawing with Crayola crayons that looks more realistic than that suit.
Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.
It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.
looks like a gundam
And the suit is totally terrible, even if it had good CGI it has a horrible design.
So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.
Not everything.
Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.
@@sergeantlightning6178 hard disagree on half of those
@@MoojinBoi I assume you arent a fan of the TV shows?
coz GotG 3 and all of the spider-man after were amazing
@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.
The clips of Tony's robot arm that you added in here at 13:08, reminded me of just how much character they were able to give that machine...
How often have you felt sorry for a disembodied robotic arm being told that it's worthless?? They managed to make it look and sound DEJECTED.
I felt more affection for that piece of metal than anything in phase 4 of Marvel.
You’re so right
true 😂
"you pass butter"
One of the things I've praised frequently with Iron Man over later movies of the MCU is the level of detail they showed of Tony putting his suit together. We are talking about those welding scenes, those testing scenes (of each individual part, and then together, which is how you do it in reality) every assembling part coming together, etc, which were just mesmerising, because those scenes were impressive, even if you're not into mechanics and what not. I was much more impressed with the development of the first Iron Man suit than the introduction of the nano suit.
Similarly, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) also did the same thing, where he drafted his suit, tried out his abilities, etc.
Both had a similar formula, both succeeded beyond imagination, it's not a coincidence.
That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself.
She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.
She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s
Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong.
Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!!
They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves
were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy
I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching
@@jubelectron_elephant_rap I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why?
She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.
@@jubelectron_elephant_rap
Uh no.
Tony's last suit would have put hers in the ground in 10 seconds.
its crazy how you guys are shitting on her already
@@FROST-ui5fr Already? She’s been around for awhile now, there’s just nothing compelling about her.
When you think about it, Yinsen sort of saved the world by starting Tony down the path of iron man. What a legend.
What
Who is Yinsen
@@rookiegameplay7519 the guy who helped Tony in the cave.
There was a deleted scene where Tony saw Yinsen after using the infinity guantlet
@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)
Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.
To be fair, she was NEVER going to replace Iron Man. They could have a time machine, access to every actress that ever existed and unlimited funding and she wasn't going to replace Iron Man. But they could have made her a better character in her own right.
My question is, "How the hell could she afford building a suit"? I think Tony spent millions of dollars on his.
Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill
Millions of dollars?? "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
@@digitalcurrentsyeah, the bad one that fell apart soon after usage.
@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.
also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character
It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.
That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that
Marvel already did their job, then disney see their work it became terible.
@@totallynotamimic3522
My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her.
I mean...wtf?
@@wumpusrat ...Please tell me you're joking. How can anyone come up with that?
@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.
Riri was hated by comic book fans. introduced at the same time as Miles Morales, to fulfill a different purpose. everyone hated it. it genuinely fills me with joy to see they fucked up this badly. not because they did a bad job. but because they translated her character so perfectly.
Riri is NOT a good character. she never was, and never will be. and i find it so poetic that she's been introduced now. so late in the game. where her impact will be minimal. Tony Stark got shine as Iron Man. and shine he did. brought to life so magically by the intoxicating charisma of RDJ. Ironheart was destined to fail, and i am so glad it has. this is exactly what Riri deserved. perfect misery.
can't wait to see Akira live action but everyone's been replace with black people but with Japanese names because Yasuke was a black samurai!!111
@@emp0rizzleshhhh don't give em ideas
I believe Riri Williams is nowhere near as popular or well-liked as Tony Stark, even among black women.
I know right, hope all their anti legacy characters made and created to fit a new dawn of forced liberalisation of comics and movies fail miserably, as they already are
I think the reason why Tony Starks death was so devastating was because we knew this character really well, and we watched him change his ways. Now the mcu is a 80s sitcom where the main male character used too much hair gel and they have to crack jokes every 10 seconds or else it just becomes very boring.
2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.
And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!
We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.
EXACTLY earned is the key word.
Yes because it was IronMan movie while RiRi show has not yet released so the comparison is ridiculous you would have to compare her to Hawkeye or Nat.
@@Byronic19134, let's explore that.
Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something.
I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat.
Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.
Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.
It seems like the writers have forgotten rule 2 of writing a story: hurt your characters, then hurt them more.
Ironheart has no call to action, no painful moment to inspire heroism. She's just... Doing things for fun?
It's amazing what a simple concept like hero's journey can have such an effect on media
@@kevinc-nj5hn What does that even mean?
@@khora3845basically the point of that character is to satisfy the "woke" community (basically the reason modern media has characters from other races and sexualities in movies, games, shows, etc.) before being a good character.
@@kevinc-nj5hnWhat is this 'woke' ideology you speak of? Why is it bad?
She's the typical mary sue,,,, or Moesha Sue. So typical it makes my head hurt that so many others aren't pointing it out.
"aah shit she got a iron man suit"💀💀💀💀
Comic Riri's first suit was based on an abandoned Iron Man suit she had, and was only possible by stealing many MANY components from a comic book level MIT. It also barely worked, much like Tonys first. Despite being made in a university workshop and not a cave. It was extraordinary, but believable for a comic genius.
Honestly that would have been a much better explanation
My biggest issue with Ironheart is how quickly she went from a scrappy looking suit to a literal god-tier Wakandan one within minutes, and also the fact that the Wakandan suit looked like fake plastic CGI garbage
I can't help but think of Big Bad Beetleborgs every time I see that suit
Yes
@@ArchCatalyst it has been many months since I have thought about that show
Young black and strong that's why 😭
dawg she fr harmed cops
Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach.
Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.
Look like someone fused the original Iron Man suit with a Gundam.
@@omegaslayer Totally unrelated to your reply, but why does the Ironheart suit, remind me of a bee?
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Good lord. She’ll literally be a few steps away to appear in a crossover film with Ant Man.
Did you by any chance watch he new transformes? 1 to 1 the same suit
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she came out of the cartoon
It would have been acceptable if the kid from Iron Man 3 took the mantle as he's the one who makes much more sense than what we had.
He looks like discount Garfield
Amazing iron man🎉
I still have no idea why they couldn't have made Harley the new Iron Man. The worldbuilding was already there.
I think we already know what the reason is, even if we don't like it... 😮💨
@@WanderTheNomad real reason is likely because ironman 3 was poorly received and they basically had to soft-retcon that whole movie
@@moe5020 What did they soft-retcon?
Edit: actually what even is soft-retconning?
@@WanderTheNomad it was soft-retconned as in it was basically just ignored as part of Tony's arc going forward. Him retiring at the end and his general headspace are forgotten and age of ultron continues from avengers 1 like the events of Iron Man 3 never happened. So they can't really bring back harley because Tony already has a protege in Peter and it would be very jarring for harley to just be re-retconned back into being relevant.
@@moe5020 I thought Thor the Dark World was as poorly received as Iron Man 3, but that didn't really get soft-retconned
Yeah this whole "i like her" is so annoyingly manipulative but it represents the narcissistic emotional bullshit of the writers nicely.
They write that line “I like her” desperate to tell you how to feel.
Rather than actually writing well and you authentically liking the character.
In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation
When thor said that he liked captain mahvel in endgame I just roll my eyes. It's like the writers were pressuring me to like her.
An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart).
Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing
I've seen it in Marvel, ST:D, NewStarWars, basically any franchise that's gone to shit in the past 4/5 years seems to use this.
Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart
Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.
I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.
@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.
I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.
@@ilovewaffles321 It was really nice how every suit fixes the flaws of the previous suit.
"how dare you stand where he once stood"
Best thing is, even in the comics Iron-Heart was always considered a terrible character.
Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.”
So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was.
Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊
"What inspired you to be a hero?"
Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility."
Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis."
Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing."
Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."
@@bryanwoods3373 worse than that it’s more of ‘I forced my teacher to say that I can’t be iron man’
@@enzoongweekiat1711 and the forced Teacher was right she can't...
All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean
So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from
Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first
Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing.
Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made"
I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s...
All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.
It start with "Doesn't waste your life" and ended with Tony used his life to save the entire galaxy. He is the real ironman.
*Universe
Yup, Iron Man did not
Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.
@@irrevenant3sorry man last time that logic was used we got She-Hulk.
@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)?
Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.
@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.
I have an idea what... If we just accept that all the things after endgame were no canon
And accept that the MCU ended at endgame and all we get are spinoffs like Guardians of the Galaxy, Deadpool and Venom
What about far from home?
@@walfip_ looking at the bunch of s h I t after endgame its better to cut It off 🫡
But... But what about no way home?.l that was.... You know what, yeah, it ain't canon
@@nicolasrey1190 No Way Home was an amazing movie. Don't tell me you don't want that to be canon.
I think what also helps iron man’s case for believability is that he built his suit out of desperation. Whereas Riri just kind of, does it?
You know what they say, necessity is the mother of invention.
Didnt iron man 2 establish that no one could replicate his suits not even entire governments with unlimited resources and funding, but somehow a random college student was able just to spite their teacher man marvel writing had gotten ridiculously lazy.
No, the sheep has gotten more stupid. The retarded sheep that can't wait for a review and pay to see this garbage. Make no mistake, if people didn't spend their money on the crap, they would either change or quit doing it. And that's a win-win. So, don't blame them; blame the donkeys that has no will of their own and just mindlessly consumes.
Well, let's remember that this is about a decade after Iron Man 2, with several generation's worth of tech improvements not to mention dozens of probably leaked schematics, lost tech, pirated photos and videos of the suits. I mean, a few decades after the nuclear bomb, with barely any TV and radio compared to today, there were dozens of scientists probably capable of building nukes that were reverse engineered from what they heard or saw on TV.
That being said, it's....yeah.
To be fair, Tony Stark built his suit in a CAVE with SCRAPS. It's less about resources than genius. Like the flunky said, "I'm not Tony Stark." Unfortunately, saying that somebody's a genius isn't the same as convincing the audience they are, and Riri just didn't sell it.
But none of those guys are black woman.
They can build the suit. They just can’t build the power source by themselves to power them efficiently. Arc reactors are a beast of energy source which they completely sidelined after iron man 2
In retrospect I am glad Tony Stark sacrificed himself, removing himself from the MCU. After what they did to Thor I can't even begin to imagine what they would have done to Tony Stark. I base this off how Tony Stark is the antithesis of the message Disney wants to put out and how his character was treated in "What if...?"
What if honestly has to be some of the most dogshit writing i have ever seen in a film/series by a major hollywood studio... some "cool" ideas (also some really stupid ones) but terrible execution.. not to mention that "animation" idk if it can even be called that... that shit made my eyes bleed
I dread your answer, but what did they do to his character in the "what if" scenarios?
@@jackmesrel4933 They killed him off in every episode he appeared.
@@jackmesrel4933 Stark is killed in all but one universe where he shows up, and he goes down like a chump every time
@@jackmesrel4933 Search:
"WHAT IF...? Every Ironman Death scene"
The only one I agree with is the scenario if Ultron succeeds in "Age of Ultron"
The only reason why I clapped at the end of Black Panther 2 was due to how much of a disgrace this film was. The only 2 moments that were fun was the first few minutes thinking" no way I can get disappointed because I already figured how this will go". And then the ending because it was genuinely kind of sad but then I thought about the rest of the movie and decided " still garbage tho"
I think the main difference between Tony's success in building his suit(Mark 2) and Riri's is that we actually get to see Tony's progression step-by-step. Tony having multiple failed attempts, getting hurt from his attempts, spending god knows how much money and how much time to fix them and learn from his mistakes. All that, made Tony's success felt like its really earned. A literal break-through in Tony's career and life. Despite being a genius and having experiences in making Mark 1, he still had his fair share of mistakes when making Mark 2. Meanwhile, Riri made her own very functional suit in her garage, despite being only a college student and it didn't really helped when the studios didn't show her progression when making the suit. Her success didn't felt earn at all. You could argue that Tony built Mark 1 in a cave but he had help from another genius as well, and despite that, Mark 1 can only do so much
Tony: Went through hell to develop his technology. Was kidnapped and almost died due to his friend betraying him. Spent years developing his suit that not a single other person could figure out how to make by themselves.
Riri: Somehow figured out how to make an ironman suit offscreen.
How did she build a vibranium detector? I haven't seen the movie, but the summarizations of the plot have made it seem like she never had any vibranium to study.
@@sugartoothYT she made it through the power of Mary Sue.
I think it's worth noting that she was an MIT student, with MIT being the alma mater of Tony Stark, who was not only a guest lecturer but also funded research grants for students from urban city schools, which would apply to Riri (assuming she lived in the actual city of Chicago and not a suburb of it I guess). When you combine that with the growing awareness of Stark tech and various superhero mumbo jumbo (think Vulture and his acquisition of Chitari tech), it's not above the realm of possibility that a young, gifted student could learn to make a fairly janky (in its first iteration) Ironman suit, the same way we can believe that a young, gifted, aspiring MIT student Peter Parker can design his own web shooters and use Stark tech to build a new suit at the end of FFH.
@@mrkrono It would of been an neat inversion of the general comic book tech stasis to have the reason, Riri is able to build Ironman suit is because tech has advanced. It kind of shows that by having her finish her suit in Wakanda where a Ironman suit is way less cutting edge.
@@brendenhawley2225 If she's got one because tech advanced then you've invalidated super heroes. Every law enforcement agency and army should have it.
Who tf else think the kid in Ironman 3 is a better choice for Ironheart -both character and actor himself?
His connection with Tony has already been established: he’s crafty and resourceful; he was Tony’s first mentee; he inspired Tony and helped him get through panic attack. He’s funny and an underdog, and his backstory was brief but already touched
And Ty Simpkins can act circle around Riri any day of the week
But noooo, let’s honor the original comic even though Disney has virtually desecrated all original stories since 2020
You know why they want ironheart to be the original unlike most of the others. I just think its funny they did not have her steal it like in the original.
lol disney just needed another black woman in the movie like the 99% of the cast weren't them
Or they could just have rhodey, people like him. Although I guess secret invasion messed that up
Yeah but they couldn't risk the backlash they'd get for making them a white man. After all, didn't you know 90% of a characters value comes from their race and gender?
That's impossible. He's too white and too male for the role. Can't have that in 2023, every character has to be anything but a white male, because reasons.
First, love this! I was worried when I heard about Marvel's Ironheart because even some of the comics weren't as strong. How were they going to do it for live action? Also I really love how passionate and louder you get when you are reaming out Marvel! Haha!
Dude, I legit forgot Ironheart existed. I didn't even know a movie came out until I saw this video.
the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break.
His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead.
He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.
Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.
He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!
Tony learned from his mistake
That’s actually how building and engineering works really, if not you have to be all the time failing and try to understand why
Tony always learned from his mistakes
Riri is just black
There's something so heartbreaking about seeing the downfall of a franchise you used to absolutely love..
I can't help but respond to this over-dramatic silliness, being heartbroken about comic book movies is cringey. I gotta share my own exaggerated take that these extreme reactions like heartbreak for the most trivial things and indifference to more pressing issues is why our society is really fucked up. 😊
@@user-mw1pp9yh8x You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I don't care if you believe my reaction is extreme. This video is specifically referring to the subject, and therefore you should have expected comments like mine.
Do you really believe that someone's comment for a franchise on a video that's *specifically* made for it is why society is fucked? Do you also believe that app reviews on Google Play contribute to how fucked up society is? You don't make any sense.
@@user-mw1pp9yh8x Um, no, no, art and storytelling have always and always will inspire morality in society if we care about them and make them right; it's actually those like you that are the reason why our society is really fucked up. You have no empathy, kid, you're a prejudiced sociopath.
@@user-mw1pp9yh8xoh of that is cringy. What is your response. I don't know a word that would describe cringe 1000 worse.
Yeah there are some more important problems. But does that mean I can't enjoy stuff. And say my opinion if the enjoyment is taken from me because of shitty writing?
@@user-mw1pp9yh8xNobody asked, nobody cares.
I don't know if you really don't realize that if something is cringey or not doesn't fucking matter, you could say that giving cringe importance IS cringey, which is ironic. And even that, feelings for art is completely human.
Shut your edgy ass, nobody asked.
Crazy to think that the man who saved Tony is the one who truly saved the universe from thanos.
Part of the problem is introducing the successor to one of the most beloved movie characters as a side character, there was very little way that was going to go well
"I came to realize that I have more to offer this world than just making things that blow up."
Gets me every time
Oppenheimer...?
@@Exalted_Truth Or Alfred Nobel?
@@Exalted_Truth....Tony stark...
@@Exalted_Truththis can honestly apply to many people, but in the context of this video it's Tony Stark.
New black girl proceeds to just make things blow up. So poetic.
Ironheart’s “whooo” during the final battle just shows how disconnected she is from the plot. The Wakandans are fighting a series life and death battle and she’s treating that event like she’s on a roller coaster, desensitized to the carnage around her and how this battle is happening *because of her.*
Yeah, having fun, while other people down there were fighting for their life. How disgusting!
Maybe she's related to Bruce Wayne XD
The commenter above me is a bot. DON'T take the bait.
@@aitoluxd did I say something about batman here? CZcams doesn't show me my own comments and replies for some reason(hey maybe i am a bot) and I've no other explanation for getting a notification of your reply rn so, I'm just curious XD
I love how we can't report bots for being bots, we'd have to pick one of YT's frankly super limited report categories.
This sums up all my issues with Ironheart. The fact she did everything she did (prior to being made to help) just to prove someone wrong made her come off as more selfish than Tony. At least Tony owned up to his mistakes. Meanwhile Iron heart starts a war and just says "Fuck off I'm not helping"? Am I supposed to like her? Because I don't like her.
The kid that helped Tony repair his suit, you all should remember him, was also at his funeral, and seen multiple other times, he would have been perfect to take up the iron man mantle, the kid was notable and intelligent enough to gain tonys attention, he should have been the next iron man, and it would have been seem less to, the kid was around in the iron man story before the avengers, it would have been so nice, but, diversity, and equality won out, now, almost every remaining and non retired marvel hero is female, and they aren't even well written female characters either.
Tony created a new kind of technology in order to escape his captors and fight for his freedom. He then went on to use that technology for the good of mankind after seeing all the harm his weapons had caused.
Riri built a machine to spite her teacher because he said she sucked and that she couldn't do it. This machine started a war that got innocent people killed, and when asked to help she tells them to fuck off because she has math class.
These two are not the same.
Fantastic breakdown.
Um, I disagree.
Tony's arrogance and ego displayed in Age of Ultron definitely contradicts this. Where his technology (an A.I. global peace initiative) once again threatens human lives. Despite Ultron's 200% failure to full-fill this, he gambles on the creation of Vision... There are many situations simular to this.
Riri lacks character development, yes. And had the unfortunate circumstance of being casted during lower teir period of MCU's story writing history. However, her contribution to major historical technological developments at a young age, despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America/the world is impressive to say the least. Tony stark is an egotistical billionaire philanthropist who made his fortunes on wars and the deaths of millions of people worldwide. Riri, also a genius, works well with others and has made countless positive strides in comparison to Tony.
No they are absolutely not the same.
@@christopherwashington1586, grow up. They were both human, ignorance is pure bigotry over skin color and equity is nothing but a free ride to appropriate. Did you even watch Iron Man? He saved the entire freaking universe, moron. She can do her own thing, big get off the iron man Tony Stark hate, he brought her up and helped another genius. MSheU only ruined a good story from comics, but it's still all fiction.
Genius oppression is real or something?
shes gonna attend the gender ideology class....where she would be given puberty blockers
@@christopherwashington1586 "despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America"
But she doesn't seem to be disadvantaged in the slightest. When we meet her she's enjoying a privileged lifestyle in a prestigious college.
You're right about Tony though, he definitely ended up hurting a lot of people. He's to blame for Iron Monger, Ultron, the Sokovia Accords, and that stupid drone-powered assassination system he gave to a teenager in Far From Home. The MCU's overarching narrative definitely tells us that Tony changed, but his actual actions show that he was constantly causing huge problems for everyone from start to end.
The most frustrating thing about Ironheart is that this was already tried, and also failed, in the comics back in the mid-2010s.
So not only did they show they don't understand why Iron Man worked, they showed they can already see a character fail, and then not learn from it.
Makes me think they were banking on society being dumbed down enough in great enough numbers,that the concept would be accepted this time around. Guess what? Wrong lol
Yeah, like not only people just didn't like the idea of Riri Williams in the Comics - the character and her Comics are overall just a great example of horrible writting...
And the Comics Editorial seems to have caught up on that, because they forcefully sidelined the hell out of Ironheart.
But since MCU is run by a different part of Marvel, all these idiots see is "a woman of color that is a genius" - and somehow they managed to make Riri even more irritaiting in the MCU (which I never thought was possible).
No, no, no, no. Just because Ms Marvel failed among the comics many times, and because Riri has failed, doesn't mean that if we try again, and really, really, really want it to succeed that it won't. You just have to believe more, that will change everything.
It is similar in the comics, Riri Williams is shown to be a prodigy of a human being who must take the spot of Tony Stark (in coma). Just that it is way way worse, she keeps playing the victim card, and her whole point is because she black and female. Like the whole issue with her is why she exists, there are other black female marvel heroes , We just saw Shuri, we also know Storm from the X men. They are not loved cause of the fact that they are black n have female as their sex. And are not even loved just cuz how awesome they were from the moment they were seen, They are loved for we as fans enjoyed their journey. Riri Williams just and always feels a replacement to Anthony Edward Stark whether it is the comics or the movies. It is all to "fill in". Now people will say that hey! we have Miles Morales, or Kate Bishop the whole Hawkeye series saw here develop as a hero we can be proud of (and for me to crush on but okay), the growth is what makes Kate Bishop works. We don't have an issue with the character but at least make them enjoyable, make them struggle n come over their inner demons. And Marvel doesn't get that. At most they will provide you a bunch of fan service to cover for it, not getting that it wont make up to the expectations of the audience.
I had completely forgot about Ironheart to the point i thought i missed a new marvel tv series....
fuck ironheart, the kid from ironman 3 should be the second ironman (harley)
Yes agreed
@@Crocc101 100%! he wouldve made sense
He was even at Tony's funeral!
They couldn't do that because then ironmans replacement couldn't be a woman. Remember it's very important that they remain inclusive. This is modern Disney after all.
@@andrewb1313 damn
Y'all remember that scene from Civil War where Rhodes gets hit by Vision 's beam and starts free falling. Rhodes LOST consciousness from the G's and spiraling (EVEN THOUGH HE'S AN EXPERIENCED PILOT). He didn't get dumb luck like Riri. He hit the ground and got PARALYZED. But Riri, lost consciousness due to low oxygen, and free called spiraled too. Shouldn't she, being not a experience pilot, still had remained unconscious because of the G's too? Instead her Ironheart armor is also fitted with resourceful plot armor too, and she miraculously wakes up AND SLOWS DOWN just before she hit the water. When I watched that scene, I wasn't even nervous or anxious for her. I was just mad at the sad fact of poor writing.
I mean in Rhodes’s case there wasn’t much he could do except accept death
The Blast Vision did hit the core which turned off the suits power.
But yeah RiRi just happened to wake up in time and save herself.The Gs should’ve kept her knocked out
@@detectiveplays Couldn't agree more
What’s the G’s
@@Nobody-qh2fvbasically, when an object has to travel in a circular-esc arc, a force, called a centripetal force, has to act on it to change the direction of its velocity. You can feel the effects of this centripetal force if you are in a car going over a hump really fast. This concept is quite important for airplanes, because you will be making sharp turns which end up with a lot of centripetal force on the person flying the plane, and too much can cause the person to pass out if they make too tight a corner or something. The reason why centripetal force is also called “G-force” or “G’s” is because usually, instead of measuring it in Newton’s (the standard unit of force), it’s a convention to measure it in g’s, where 1g is the force exherted by gravity on earth, 2g is two times this force, etc
Let's not forget the total disregard for basic human biology too, that sudden stop wouldn't be without physical repercussions. If she didn't have a broken neck (no matter the amount of padding) then I'd think she would have at least broken her back, shoulders, and legs, been bruised from the straps and had a number of tendons seriously damaged if not severed completely. Remember how many bruises and scrapes/cuts Tony had from falling onto his car after the first flight?
RDJ is the best cast in comicbook film history, it's just absolute perfection
Im confused on the desecration of The Dawn thing? What was meant here? What's the Dawn in the Captain Marvel movie?
"I became part of a system that is confortable with zero accountability", this line, while been thrown as a critic of the industrial military complex, is also a foreshadowing of his future engagement in civil War for more accountability for the super heroes.
And if you're feeling uncharitable, it can also apply to Marvel movies made in the last few years. They crap out a shallow, paint by numbers shell of a film, written by an accountant robot that learnt psychology from mobile game in-app purchases, then get a pile of money in the first week it's released from people who swear they can stop any time if they wanted to, before completely discarding the movie because it was only a disposable money grab, and only ever mentioning it again as Easter eggs in subsequent movies to trick the people who still watch them into thinking they're a "community." Anything reasonable that people criticise is twisted into a "why do you hate poor/ethnic/female people" because then people ignore the criticism trying to prove how righteous they are and the executives can jerk off with wads of money while the proles eat each other.
Iron Man:"Who are you?"
Iron Heart:"I'm your replacement Tony!"
Iron Man:"So I sacrificed myself for nothing."
Iron Heart:"Yes you have!"
This is just depressing honestly Tony Stark is the better character.
He’s also more memorable. I admit I’m not a comic book person. But Tony Stark on the screens is just iconic in many ways.
Iron heart is not the replacement you imbecile she's her own character
@@Tenshii_Artii thats coz Robert downey jr is a fantastic actor
I like when she murdered the cops that were doing their jobs.
Yeah I'd rather see Pepper and Morgan Stark live up to Tony's name and legacy than... some genius kid we just met.
"didn't become comercially successful until blade" superman, batman 1989, Dick Tracy, The Mask
Marvels first success not super heroes. Wish i caught that mistake in time lol your totally right and not the first and wont be the last to remind me lol
@@jedibrooks7235 fair enough lol- not everyone on yt is as receptive to correction as you, i appreciate that
Riri was built as a mary sue. "I can detect Vibranium! I have my own suit! I'm also still in college!" Tony had ACTUAL character development. Riri can't even hold a candle to Tony.
Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show.
If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense.
But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.
That's easy: The people she killed earlier were all evil white ‘colonizers’. While the people she’s going to war with are ‘her own people’.
She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.
Riri is actually WORSE in the movie from what I've seen. She's a terrible character in the comics as well. She is 100% unlikeable.
@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH
Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem
There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all
It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.
Dang. It really is eye opening to realize how little we see the heroes actually saving people anymore.
Tbf, protecting ppl other than themselves is not a feminine trait.
@@misterchubbikins Yeah, mothers famously don't have any instincts to protect their children whatsoever. Wtf kind of take is this lmao
@@kamerasengan *laughs in abortion*
The fact that so many women lost their shit when scotus said they can't murder babies anymore is the basis of my take.
If women instinctively cared about anyone but themselves, Roe v Wade would have never been a thing.
@@kamerasengan Your own children don't count. How many women would risk their lives to save a stranger?
@@fluffylittlebear Plenty, I'm sure. Saving people isn't a man thing or a woman thing, just depends on that person's disposition, morals, bravery, etc. Also, your own children do count, the person I was responding to said "protecting people other than themselves", your children are not yourself. That's still being selfless and having protective instincts for other people.
the way they introduce the girl its similar to that Pacific Rim Uprising (which we all agree that Pacific Rim never had a sequel), a girl that is so smart, built hear own robot like nothing without showing us the progress of her tinkering and actually building it, then suddenly so swiftly pilots the robot without any exprience.
The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong.
She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder.
Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.
Professional victim
In the first 10 minutes of iron man we learn
-who tony is
-why he’s there/what’s his intent
-what he thinks
-feel bad for him
-understand he’s the good guy
-watch him beat up the bad guys
-he’s a genius
In the first 10 minutes of iron heart we learn
-she’s an ass x3
-she’s a murderer x10+
-she has iron man suit (somehow)
-idk
10/10 description
- she might end up being a forced love interest for the next wakanda Queen
@@MthaMenMon correction: She WILL end up as a love interest for the next queen.
@@Looona_fan i don't like the character but the reason why they had to avoid her origin is because it's a black panther movie (which also suck apart from tribute and namour scenes)
Aside the bad writing, the movie wasn't for iron heart 😂
As a wise man once said, 'Because Tony learns from his mistakes.' but the new characters cannot make any mistakes because they are so awesome.
With all of the new movies coming out being disappointing it's weird seeing how different the film's are that got me into this genre in the first place.
"Tony learns from his mistakes"
And yet the very last thing he does in the MCU is give a weapon of mass destruction to a teenager, resulting in the partial destruction of London. It's almost like he learned nothing at all.
@@peacemaster8117 Tony was already _dead._ Once someone dies they are not responsible for anything that may result from their death.
@@peacemaster8117 how can someone learn from a mistakes if said person was dead?
@@peacemaster8117 This is not an example of a mistake that Tony made, but a mistake of writing. Tony would have had a plan, a way for Jarvis or someone else to find his replacement, or a method for making sure his tech didn't fall into the wrong hands. Instead the writers got lazy and threw it away as a lazy plot device.
peter didnt fuck up, it was the other dude (forgot his name)@@peacemaster8117
I thought this was really well put together I’m impressed. You captured the essence of the first iron mans compared and contrasted to her introduction very well.
Even if she had her stand alone movie I still don’t know they would’ve done it well.
I do wish they showed her uprising where she came from and the struggles she had but nope:/
The killing the cops with the drone is just crazy to me. She just potentially murdered 5 family fathers or moms that did nothing to deserve this. Its okay though because police bad, minority teenager MIT student good.
12:18 "Now we're in the no accountability era where nothing matters. Superheroes no longer save people." PERFECT. We could apply that to so many of the more recent Marvel movies. There's this phenomenon we see in these movies and in comics too (especially where the main character is a woman or minority) where the main characters make bad to wrong decisions, but the story treats them as great or correct ones simply because the story only exists to make the character look good. No accountability or consequence.
I am not sure they need to be a woman or minority, protagonist centered morality can involve guys too. Heck Ironman does flat out attempt to murder a person in civil war and while he shown in a bad place by the end of it, that line is pretty quickly dropped. Poor writing is a tale of old as time, and they will attempt to use anything to shield poor writing, In a way it was amazing the MCU was as consistently good as it was for so long.
i think that’s why despite Tom Hollands spiderman being new MCU, it’s still overall liked by people..
he saves people
@@brendenhawley2225 You misread the comment.
@@IMPERPLEXINGhe often is the reason they are in danger in the first place
GOTG vol 3 could be the LAST good MCU film EVER ! And to me, that was the perfect ending to the MCU !
I'm officially done with this franchise ! There is absolutely NOTHING left to look forward to in this franchise held by an evil studio like Disney
ya know, ironheart was a part of the comics, and was an intern working under tony stark, trying to learn all she could, if we had at least that, there'd be something to build from. but no, not even that, they took a shell of a character meant to say to an audience "look, we're inclusive too!!" and hollowed her out even more
She cant be tonys intern ... then she would not be STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN xD
@@Gamer9o that's the point, that's what went into her shell, yet at least with it she was grounded, this is just... no
Agreed some of the MCU movies are not about inclusivity and not about storytelling, that's a big part of the problem as well. The point is to not care about race and respect the character's traditions. Having a Spanish snow white is just as much of an insult as having a white Malcom X would be.
If they implemented that, that would’ve make a lot more sense and I would’ve like her a bit but nope
Employees are still technically independent of their lives. But in the US they're just slaves@@Gamer9o
Every. Single. "Joke". In this movie was forced and cringe .
Phase 1 of Marvel is truly marvelous, they able to combine Sci-fi (Iron Man), Fantasy (Thor), War (Captain America) and Horror (Hulk) to make The Avengers.
Today's Marvel Phases are all Fantasy :/ to me at least.
Yet somehow they want us to believe that these are the new Avengers to take on the next Thanos threat? Yeah that is complete BS and Kang was already defeated twice and therefore is not a Thanos level villain.
Those ants from Quantumania are way more prepared to be the next avengers than any of these knock off characters. Nick fury needs to recruit those ants asap.
@@moondawwg Call it the "Antvengers" eh.
What the fuck even is a "Thanos level" what's this a fucking JRPG? Does Thanos have +400 energy resist or what?
They are smart ants 🐜
Defeated by JUST Ant Man no less. What the hell are they doing over there?
What really weakens Riri as a character is that this wasn’t her movie. She’s essentially a plot device in Shuri’s movie designed to be the crux of the war between the Talokan’s and Wakandan’s. Her origin is a sub plot of someone else’s story, so the details and actual character work in it is skimmed over so they can get straight to the action for a future project. We get a few lines with generic emotion about her dad and the work she’s done, then straight back to the same style of quips that everybody has because CGI and humour has become a crutch the MCU has become addicted to abusing.
Similar thing with America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness. We get a bit about her backstory, a small arc about her learning to control her power via a 30 second motivational speech, and most importantly… a walking plot device to serve as the crux of the conflict within the story.
Marvel is so obsessed with introducing as many new characters as they can for future projects that they sacrifice actual character development and writing to slap them into a bigger character’s story so they can churn out another dozen projects within a year (at least)
Yeah since gwen can get a really strong story in what basically a miles morales movie, I'm sticking with "MCU is spiraling downward."
They used to know how to do this. I mean black widow is developed in every other superhero's movies. War machine, falcon, loki, goddam wong. They used to know how to make good stories for side characters.
plus not only was America not developed the main character wasn't even Strange in that movie it was Wanda with the second character being America
I think it would work really well if it was reversed. Make the new character the main character, and have them be part of the stories of other characters. We could've followed Riri and have her roped into the Talokan and Wakandan conflict, but it followed HER, not Shuri. I don't really like that because I want focus on Shuri too, but it would at least make us care for the new characters too
@@soyUsernameWasTaken Black Widow got precisely ZERO character development in Iron Man 2, the film where she was introduced.
It allows then to not fully commit to a character but also try to gauge how much the audience likes the character.
Iron man 2 literally established that the iron man suit couldn’t be replicated
One thing that is not talked about enough is how clean her suit feels. It's epurated, it glows blue, and the sounds don't match anything we're used to hear in real life. The first Iron Man suit was like a frying pan with motors. It was fucking heavy, tanky, and it crashed on its first flight. Then when Tony finally went back home, we had the opportunity to actually see him work on the suit, making prototypes (even getting the idea of the repulsor from the mug's handle). And at first it didn't feel like Iron man, because he wasn't him yet. Remove the fiction and it was literally ColinFurze building random things in his garage. And after heavy prototyping, we finally get a suit that doesn't even wear the brand colors of Iron Man to showcase how much of a prototype it still is.
But her, she casually had repulsors, a fricking Arc reactor, which was like one of the main plot points of IM1. And how tf does she even put the suit on ? Every time Iron Man suit model appears for the first time, it's an occasion to show us how Tony puts it on and off (Suiting up "manually" with mark 2, then having robotic arms and rims to put it on, while remaining stationary, then having a complete walk on the top of the stark tower, then when he gets thrown off by loki, then helicopter suit up, then nanotech). But her she gets ready offscreen. Like everything she does is a missed opportunity for greatness.
Even in the comics, Riri Williams was problematic. While she was a genius, she was only able to build the suit because she had access to one of the Iron Man suits and reverse-engineered it. On top of that, she made it with parts stolen from her school, then when campus security caught on to her theft she flew off in the suit...
So a super theif instead of a Super Hero? No wonder people hate her Character.
Don't forget she shot the cops too
She also kills tons of innocent people
@@es83stevenson88 Let me guess, they were RACIST cops?
I'm assuming because I never felt the need to pay money to follow such shallow characters.
They can’t put that in a movie where the main character is a “brave and diverse” role model.
Can you imagine the hilarity that would ensue if this version of Riri shot cops and stole priceless tech?
you said it man, these are no longer heroes, but assholes with super powers, super suits, super intelligence, etc. since end game not a single "super hero" has behave like it should do. i call it the "man of steel influence" where collateral damage is no longer punishable but rather expected.
It all started with “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
Somehow Peter Parker is the only one who is still a superhero in this franchise.
Have you ever even read a Marvel Comic? Most of the characters are assholes lol Tony Stark is an asshole as is Charles Xavier, in the comics both are shown to be very manipulative people.
@@nont18411 I think it started with Captain Marvel.
That's bs and you know it they've done that well before man of steel
I just do the same i do with star wars from a certain point i just consider series and movies non canon, even subseries that don't interest me i ignore. Spider man was about responsibility and spider man is actually one of the only current marvel heroes that still has that going. Guardians was always about redemption of these outcast of the universe trying to protect the innocent while not really having superpower but enacting the craziest plans, thor was about being worthy to wield that hammer, to be worthy of your place, captain america was about the honor of fighting as a soldier to protect people , iron man was a man's redemption story but also the story about a man without any super powers using his adept knowledge of technology to make the difference, hulk was that beast that had learn to control his anger but used said anger to fight villains. Or characters like Dr.Strange studying his i don't really know his lore "magic". Nowadays we just get political propaganda in a superhero format in which these superheroes are shells of themselves being all "super" but without any values not being any better then other humans around them in fact i would go as far to say the series the boys doesn't seem like a parody anymore if i compare it to some superhero movies nowadays.
Thing is, her being an asshole, making people pay exuberant proces for her to do their homework, her not caring about the lives of other at all, that can all work if the story punished her for it. Yet, it never does. It treats her like she's a hero when she hasn't done a single heroic thing except maybe helping with a battle that she has no stake in
I actually forgot she was in the movie. I guess that's how unnecessary she was to the plot.
I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing.
These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢
Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?
@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.
They're soldiers now,do things not for good,but for a cause
@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?
@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so
"This is just a keep copy of Iron Man!" - "No, she is sassy, young, cool, black, and a girl, and somehow even smarter than Iron Man!" - "That's exactly what I meant by cheap copy."
they should js follow her story as it’s done in the comics. but in her own movie that’s not connected to the mcu at all imo. in the comics she’s actually interesting and her character makes a lot more sense rather than just being an iron man diversity insert
The Blade movies as the first highly profitable superhero films? The first three Superman movies and first 3 Batman movies were all huge hits, and the first 2 films for each of those were actually good movies. What Blade did was resurrect those kinds of movies after SM IV and Batman & Robin seemed to have killed off superhero flicks.
The fact that she built a suit is rediculous without any of the ai and robots and the whole tech billionaire lab acess thing 😂😂
And she still doesn't know basic calculus. Ugh.
Tony Stark is one of cinema's greatest characters. With a decade of films to shape and mold him, he went from a billionaire playboy philanthropist that profited on war, to the very man that saved the universe by laying on the wire, and letting the world crawl over him. The ultimate sacrifice, for the ultimate hero.
He was still wrong in civil war.
I still don't get why people are comparing Ironheart with Iron Man? MCU actors have been bullshitting lies in the interviews for 15 years now. Are people still buying these bullshits or are they doing these intentionally?
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408No one was right or wrong in civil war. It was made so the audience could have interest and decide for themselves, and just for themselves. Both sides have valid points and reasoning.
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what i find funny is that this attempted 'better than Tony' scene actually works against Riri.
Tony encountered an obstacle not really known because this is the first sort of instance of this happening, so he discovered it, then had to rely on his creative ingenuity and fast thinking aka manually working the suit to deploy his flaps which requires knowledge of the specific workings in order to do so (yes, he built the suit, but i think it's still worth noting that in a tense situation he was able to clearly think "Okay, I can't manually pull on the flaps, but to do so also requires the servos in the legs... WORK THAT!") whereas Riri went up to where air is KNOWN to be thin, disregards this knowledge, doesn't try to think about a way AROUND the ALREADY KNOWN... WIDELY... NOT UNCOMMON... problem and just bull-rushes it, stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain.
Sure, she wakes up in time, but it's pure dumb luck. Take a good look at both scenes? Tony comes out on top always, not just cause it's better writing, but even just looking at it 'in universe' where Riri has built an 'iron man suit' from junk, Tony still played it smarter.
Also looked good doing it, and RDJ had a pretty good impression of 'man who just narrowly escaped falling to his death from unforseen consequences'. Don't care how smart or how composed you are. Narrowly avoiding death like that deserves a little 'YEAAAAAAAAAAH!'
also, this is why I've decided that, bar Spider-man, I'm pretty much done with Marvel movies XD.
I wish Chris Hemsworth the best with Thor, it sounds like he's getting real tired of Thor getting crapped on too.
One of these days i might marathon all the movies... till Endgame, that's where it should have ended. (Not Captain Marvel tho, haven't watched that, and never will, and not cause she's a woman, it's cause she's a shit person who craps on the fans. You don't like us? Fine, we don't like you either. Glad we're on the same page.)
Staying with Spider-man tho, been a spider-fan my whole life and i aint stopping till he gets a happy ending... which will be never.
"stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain."
It takes longer than that for brain damage to set in
@@Shrimp_Insurance The risk is still there, and hitting the water at terminal velocity tends to result in injuries that could very much occur to the brain. yaknow, maybe a bit more serious than that? but eh, im sure she'd be fine. She's Riri.
Still gives me chills
@CarlBeringer Well yeah she'd be dead if she hit the water. But thats not what you said
"Everything that is woke, goes to sht" 😭
Good video deserving a sub. I'll watch more from now on.
Stan Lee must be rolling in his grave watching all this.
If we could put stan Lee's casket into an electromagnetic field we'd have infinite energy
4:15 This is exactly why Yinsen should've been in Tony's snap dream and not his daughter. Can you imagine if he met Yinsen and he said "You didn't waste your life".
Both of them should of been in there
Yinsen after seeing Phaze 4: Nah, fam, you should have died with me
@@thx4chrckingin
Yinsen seeing Captain Marvel: Allahu Akbar! Goodbye Stark.
And then he blows himself up.
So would I.
Thus gave me goosebumps.
They could make Riri more relatable and likeable
If they could have
Showed how Riri got inspired by Iron Man
Showed how people mocked her for having silly dreams
Showed how she made the suit, trial and errors
It is an easy formula but would work better than what we have.
She's apparently even worse in the comics
@Christopher Tyler
oh god she’s so much worse in the comics, this version is a MASSIVE improvement
@@worldscoolestperson7672 what was she like in the comics?
But that would imply she's not already perfect!!!
@@protus3882 she was pretty bad at first, but she was soft rebooted a think, her newer comics aren't too bad though it is wordy
This is why I cant watch last MCU films. Thank you for explaining why its so cringe and shitty.
Lazy copywriting was started on Infinity War and become even worse now.
I don't fully agree with everything you said here, but overall, this is a fantastic piece that cuts to the core of what has been going wrong. I truly hope someone in power in the MCU sees this and takes it to heart.
also her suit looks soo goofy too 💀
Ye but tbh the mark 50 looked so goofy after watching the iron man films
@@anigmaYT not even close 💀
@@anigmaYTnot even a 1000th as bad tho let’s be real and I’m not even a fan of the Nano Tech suits either
@@LuvMoxi prefer the real steel armor suit of tony’s. But the nano ones felt like he deserve it as he has made lots of suits
Tony Start was also never perfect because he needed help very often to achieve the things that he did. During the cave scene he had help from someone prepared to lay down their life to help him. while coming up with any idea or new technology in his lab he had his AI to run simulations etc and help him answer questions he couldn't answer straight away. He had Pepper help run his business giving him the time available to do what he wanted to do. In Ironman 2 his father is shown to be such a huge mentor for him and even gives Tony the answer to his problem of finding the new element he needed. All of these things add a level of realism
it's not Tony Start... it's Tony Stank... Stank, party of two!
exactly. Those kinda things make Tony more... human? I dont know how to describe it better but he is NOT Perfect. He isnt able to build an Ironman Suit in just a warehouse.
But riri is a girl boss who can casually source the necessary materials for a multimillion dollar suit. Sad times
Ironman armored adventure had the best Tony stark
@@bidet1098 The inflation tho, that thing is billions of dollars for a dumbass school student who doesnt know how to even throw shit right. Also in the phone scene shes a bitch which is a very bad replacement for goofy tony
Compare and contrast the helmet shot with Iron Man. The hud is close to his face, the camera is close to his face, almost like there's y'know, not a lot of space in that helmet for the viewer, the wearer and all the info in between.
Look at the same shot in Ironheart. You can drive a bus through the gap between her head and the hud and the edge of the frame. It makes her helmet feel like a giant carboard box and it's jarring when they switch out of it to this sleek, form fitting helmet.