£500 vs £3500 Coilovers (Blind Test)
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2023
- Can we really tell the difference between £500 and £3500 coilovers? Well we tested them on our NC Mazda (Miata) MX-5 to see!
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Will's drift is the one for me! Loads of angle and kept it going and even started to flick it back the other way!
Drifting, the real point.....is more about precision control of driving outside of the traction circle....using multiple techniques of manipulation to maneuver while using countersteer......it's not about holding/using maximum (let alone modified) steering angle. Ugh, America did a great job of f*cking up (aka "Americanizing") something requiring time/understanding to achieve precision.
Drifting was way more fun, and the community was much tighter when it was about precision....not just "showoff style".
@@mfohawk6779 you must be fun at parties
Will aka "DK"
@@mfohawk6779 shut up
@@abellsatime378 he doesnt get invited
Will's drift gets my vote
Definitely. Wasn't as smooth as Scott but he ain't a racing driver.
100% agree - bloody good throttle control too from what I could see.
Aggressive, on the edge but in control = Will the drift king.
"in control"😂
Édit: obviously, I vote for will!
@@nicolasherve6738 Sarcasm 😆
@@pizzmo8256 I don't know, Scott one looks in control, also he seems to get more angle....
I like how Scott gives Callum so much grief about racing in the Caterham series, but deep down, you can tell Scott is like a proud older brother. I hope.. great content as always!
Callum just tweeted that he got pole and won his first race too.
@@MaxPower417 He is going to insufferable.
These videos are what is making CZcams carry on! Well done! Will you ever have a test of bags vs coilovers with track times? That would be interesting, there is no other video like that!
Somehow i highly doubt they did alignment between those changes. Therefore this driving experience is highly skewed.
@@hagestad Why would you doubt that? The car would be borderline undrivable without some sort of an alignment
@@hagestad nono I mean a whole new video comparing the same car on bags and on coilovers, to see if bags are really that slow compared to coilovers
@@nebsampson8991 The changes would not be drastically different between changing dampers but would definitely affect steering. So initial alignment would be slightly off between damper sets
@@hagestad This is also a very good point to be honest, I'll ask Callum...
It wouldn't be an Overdrive video if it wasn't raining on the track. Super fun to watch as always!
England in a nutshell really.
They ARE British after all
(Pro performance parts advisor here) - one thing to note...the TEINs are their entry level offering from the 'Street' series, which re-use OEM top mounts. That, in my mind at least, is where a huge amount of slop/play can come from along with their softer spring rates. As cheap lows they're probably the only acceptable option that isn't anywhere near a grand...but something higher tier like the Flex Z would've been on MeisterR's Clubrace level.
(Not biased, I sell both MeisterR and TEIN coilovers and actually run/have run both personally along with BCs and a few others over the years).
Good video lads, great to see someone digging deeper into this "spend money good - save money bad".
Suggestion for fast road style driving set up on an M140i?
@Adam-M1 honestly, I've had a lot of good feedback on BCs. As a circa 1k option, they're quite versatile and pretty capable.
Fck it im asking it as well 😅 whats your best suggestion for a fiesta st?
@@MartijndeRondeDesigner which one?
@@MattBeardless mk7
As an MX-5 owner, I thank you for testing out the grail coilovers at these three budgets. They are the beasts!
i`m saving this video for later reference. I was already looking for the meister r coilovers, but now I`m pretty sure they are the ones.
Every single time I watch one of your videos I'm blown away by how low your subscriber count is.
These videos are perfection (if a little short). Don't fall in to the usual trap of trying to one up yourselves all the time like every other series / channel / show seems to do. Your relationship is what makes it work and as Top Gear has shown, that is gold dust. But you're relatable too.
As Ali G said; Keep it real
Wouldn't say they've got a low subscriber count. But they're defiantly deserving of more.
Congrats on the 400k subs boys!
Curious if it would still be as noticeable if you tweak the setup for each set with preload and damping if possible. But man, this has got to be a dream job! Just driving around a track and drifting in the rain, perfect! 👌
the better dampers will still be better, tein is still a good set though, just more a sporty road car coilover vs road track vs race to win
@@tturi2 In a sentence, you've basically nailed it - these particular TEINs are somewhat out of their comfort zone on track but would be excellent on a slightly uneven B road for the most part; especially if it was the driver's first RWD car.
You essentially want to have that car as soft as possible before it gets overly wallowy. For what it's worth too, the TEINs in question here do also have adjustable damping (Street Advance Zs generally do, Street Basis Z don't) - that, in turn, can also help iron out some of the roll, squat and dive.
Surprised this channel doesn’t have the subscribers it deserves
Brilliant work fellas
Definitely need more content with this Mx-5, probably one of the best videos so far!
So hard to tell on the drift. But Scott held it the longest and seemed effective. Takumi would be proud.
Scott explaining how adjustable dampers work is the opposite of boring.
Wait a minute, this isn't hi-low
😂😂😂👌
Hi-what?! 😯😂😀🤘
Will's drift was excellent, he just kept it going with a big angle
These videos are entertaining and informative. I actually have 2001 MX-5 and was trying to decide whether I go with higher end coil overs or worry more about the “right” price (aka find some for cheap). Since I’m doing track days, I think waiting to get the best ones I can is a good idea.
Absolutely love your videos! Keep it up gents
I think the title doesn't do justice to the video! What an original execution of this vs concept! Good job guys!
Loving the content, guys. Keep up the awesome work. Cheers from Hawaii 🤙
Keep it up guys. Love the content
JUST GOT BACK FROM SCHOOL AND SAW THIS THANK U MY DAY HAS BEEN BORING THIS CHEERS ME UP :D
This channel has quickly become one of my fav channels on youtube consistently release bomb ass content
This gives me strong Money Pit vibes and I'm all for it
Hi low specifically but yeah, more of the good stuff is more good stuff imo
@@geoffwatches different budgets is a hi-lo thing, but back to back testing on a miata is a money pit thing
Scott had the best drift. It was the smoothest and you can tell he was completely in control. Second was Will, it has the most angle but you can tell that it wasn't as smooth
12:01 was absolutely not the start of a boring 20 seconds (actually about 40). Especially with the recent F1 focus on RBR's "anti-dive" suspension. You provided a concise explanation of one aspect of setting up a car, and how the suspension plays a significant role.
Another brilliant video with extremely useful information.
A racing driver, an engineer and a car nerd.. Best description ever..
I love this channel, short intro, perfect team, frequent uploads..
This was a fun one. Great drifting all around. I want that MX5. 🙂
One thing I've learned from messing with dirt bike suspension. The hardware can be important, but the SETUP is everything. Better hardware enables a good setup, and fewer compromises. But the best hardware in the world, set up wrong for the environment or for the user, can easily be worse than an incredible POS that happens to be right for the job at hand. This is why stock El Cheapo suspension is usually better than coilovers. The factory cut costs of the parts, but they put a lot of work into choosing spring and damping rates.
this is a really good way to do this test not knowing whats what!
Years ago I had Tein SS in a NA Miata, super over sprung and under dampened. My NB has Bilstein coil overs with progressive springs and it’s 100% better at everything (it’s a street car that goes autocross)
Really interesting test. Enjoyed that. Thank you 👍
Great video fellas! really enjoy your content! Watch out for the tiny smudge on the camera… 👍
The more expensive coil overs will likely come pre-adjusted close to where they need to be, while the cheaper ones would need to be adjusted and are likely setup soft for the street. I'd be interested in how close the middle priced ones could get, to the expensive ones, after adjusting preload, compression, and rebound.
The more expensive coilovers come pre-adjusted because they were actually engineered specifically for the platform. Also, adjusting preload isn't a thing on linear rate springs. This is only marketed as a "feature" on cheap quality two piece coilovers like the Tein and Meister R. You won't find preload adjustable on actual engineered race shocks because A. they are using linear rate springs so it doesn't matter if you have .5" of preload or 2" of preload as the effective rate is the same and B. they are one piece shocks
I can tell from experience, putting Xida's on an mx5 without any adjustment makes it look like a whale sits in it.
@@BlakeEM That is not what that is on the one piece shocks lol. Let's break it down, the cheap two piece coilovers have separate preload and height adjustment. The former is done by the higher adjuster and locking ring while the height adjustment is done with the lower locking ring. The height on one piece shocks are done ONLY with adjusting the spring perch. Let me be clear - there is no separate preload adjustment on one piece shocks. This is by design as preload is not a thing on linear rate springs. For example: Let's say the spring rate on spring X is 500 lbs/in with no preload. Want to guess what the spring rate on spring X is with 5" of preload? It's a trick question, since it's the same except now you've reduced total spring travel before binding. They aren't on race shocks for a reason.
@@DrOllie-ve2dv haha. Yep, Xidas don't come pre-adjusted to anything!
That's just it - the cheaper options recommend a specific preload spec so you can't adjust that, and they don't have separate adjustments for compression and rebound (though these Xidas are also single adjustable). The knobs on the cheap shocks don't have as much effect as the knobs on the more expensive ones, ultimately.
Donut media who
Fr their content is so out of touch
I prefer Overdrive over Donut by far.
I feel they are both good for different reasons, donut being a over the top, bit more of a "story" and probably less factual, but still entertainment. Where as this is alot more simple, a bit goofy and whacky, but also informative and feels like just 3 mates making youtube videos. Donut feels more like TV. Both entertainment, just different 🤷🏼♂️
facts and collector car feed👀👀
Congrats for reaching 400k subs!
CONGRATS FOR 400K!!!
Awesome video yet again! And congrats on 400K! I have been wondering how the M3 is doing though 😉
Would be great to know what happened to the M3. Maybe its condition was just too bad to do anything with it (except selling it for parts, as was suggested more than once in the comments on that video)
@@merobo5066 yeah I know, but I still would love to know the entire story. Did they ever mentioned something about this?
@@tomm1413 Not to my knowledge, I too would like to know what happened with that. If they addressed it in a community post I might have missed it though (depending on what happened to the M3 that might be a more suitable format than a video)
Congratulations to 400k!
What a great video. As the fun factor of the videos is important, I wouldn’t mind a 2nd channel where you could elaborate a bit more about the tech side of the tests, mods, etc …l For this one, I am interested in what was done to keep alignement as close as possible, which spring rates were used, what damper settings were chosen, ….
very enjoyable video, keep it up! it really is telling that all 3 of you guessed all sets correctly. would've also been nice to hear if you think the price difference between them is worth the extra money
2:12
I like the timing of the background music. Don't know if it's intentional but i think it's a funny timing with the movements of the car :)
Congratulations on 400k Boys 🎉
Awesome review of two of the most popular coilovers for Miata’s, the Xidas and the MeisterR. Would love to see how the Flyin Miata Fox compare.
Congratulations on 400K, next is 500k 🎉
Liked this one 👍🏼👍🏼 good to see money can still buy good components rather than just a brand 👍🏼
Im surpriced Callum didn't bin it in the drifting competition🤔
Surprised/disappointed - interchangeable words in the circumstances!
I'd like to have seen these driven on the road. The high spring rates and other aspects of race coilovers could make for a less effective road car. I think for a road driver, the Tein's are a good buy.
We would love to see that too. Customers with Xidas report that even with higher spring rates than cheaper options, they still ride better on the road by virtue of superior valving and damper stroke.
No, because they literally said the most expensive one took the curbs better despite the higher spring rate, the damping wall still better. And they do offer them with softer springs as well (although I think they removed the very soft options from non-custom orders on NA - NB Xidas because they have now developped the Tecna for street applications).
Personnally I'd love to see a comparison between Xida - Tecna - Fox - Öhlins and anything else that would be in a 1500-2500 price range within a close range of spring rates.
I love how they slowly turning into old top gear keep it up m8👍
That's a man that's comfortable around cars!' that look as he stood with the door open leaning on the roof😂😂😂
Good job guys ! Cheers from France
Please be sure to clean the lenses next time... it annoyed the hell out of me 😂
the conversations between your producer and the carpet man were pure class. hilarious :D
Congrats on 400I subs
Great video. Only thing for me is: how do they stack up for normal road driving? The teins giving body roll means less aggressive damping which you want for roads, but add ARB. If all else equal, less rolly coilovers would just be stiffer damping which would be unusable on the road. Whereas street coilovers like the teins can do both just not as good at each task. Or is that not how it works (I have Tein street basis on my nbfl/mk2.5 mx5 and they're nicer on the road at speedbump scraping height than some stock height cars 😂)
Feels weird to be here so early. Also - YAY, 400K, CONGRATS
This channel deserves at least 10x the current subscriber count.
April 19, 2023 it’s at 401k
My week only begins after a new Overdrive pisode!
i have the tein on both my miata and my e87 bmw, and i love them. had the bilstein b14 before the tein on my bmw. i use it daily, and on some trackdays.
at my driving skill and with the rest of the chassis still stock, the b14 were definitely overkill. they were good, but i prefered both the feeling AND comfort from the tein.
Against this belief, better dampers will help you at all driving levels. When it comes to suspension the take away should be that you buy once instead of buying several bad options before arriving at the good option.
I like how you did it as a truly blind test.
Love these videos.
Love a bit of set up advice. 👍🏻
Might seem like you just pointed out the obvious but I've been waiting for this video for 15 years. And Will's study was best!
One more thing(amongst many things) to consider e.g. the Clubrace are running stiffer springs compared to the Tein(if I remember it correctly), meaning would be better suited with a lower TW tire (in general). Which could give even more difference in the driving feel and performance between the two.
LOVED THE VIDEO
i like callum's drift, quite consistent, quite accurate
Scott on the drift just clean.
Can you 3 do a rally suspension version of this? Im pretty sure youll be the most popular channel to do so
“How much do you want to copy donut media?” Them, “YES!!”
Scott's drift for me, beautifully controlled throughout, I liked will's drift but the jerky mid drift adjustments made it look less controlled.
8:01 callum after going into the grass: OHHH GOOD OVER THE KERBS 😂
I don’t think I’ve seen a comparison like this. Found it really interesting!
Would anyone be interested in stock suspension with stiff anti roll bars vs stiff suspension with standard / soft ARBs?
Scott's drift was precise
Callum's was calculated
Will was just having fun
That was won by Will, hands down! Scott's drift was clean, Callum's was good, but Will's was flamboyant!
Wills drift just exploded my brain bro what a cool drift damn
Cool test! would have been good to get a real world road driving view too but really good comparison
I think when it's done in such a simple order it makes it easier to tell, should have done middle then cheap then expensive or something along those lines
My vote goes to Scott for the drift. I was actually looking at the tein flex z or meister r for my nc2 lol it's awesome to see them in action comparing each other on a NC
I've had a set of tein flex z on one of my cars for the last 2 years. They've done wonderfully. I couldn't have asked for more for the price, and they still feel like new 20k miles later.
@@NG-VQ37VHR I've driven an frs with flex z and loved them. I've heard they feel different on the Miata but the price alone keeps me interested
@@unstablegamingbeta4660 obviously if you have the money to spend, I'd go with a better set. But, if you just don't want to spend the money, they are perfectly usable, and should do everything you want, short of hard track use.
I don't have experience with them on the miata though, so keep that in mind. My set was on a '13 infiniti g37.
@@NG-VQ37VHR honestly I'm thinking about going with them over the meister r because of the price. They might see a track 3-6 times a year at most. I just want to lower it some and adjust the damper rates for the street. Lots of good and bad roads where I'm at
I ran meister R CRD+ on my MR2 roadster (2zz). They were firm but acceptable on road, but excelled on track days and the nurburgring. Really depends on your priority for the car.
Definitely will drift for me. Nice wide angle and held it longer out the corner. Scott's was a very close second though
Wills drift was nice
Is this like that thing where the US and UK get the same show, but with different actors? I'm getting a strong sense of dejá vu
(This is still amazing though, keep it up fellas)
Callum had the best drift.
*Side note: I wish your videos were longer. Slow down and let them simmer.
Keep it up boys!
It's interesting because with dirt bikes and motorcycles, quality suspension is pretty noticeable. In my mind they should handle small and big bumps with more composure, returning to a neutral state faster. Just observing front end dive under very hard breaking can tell you a lot.
The pit camera guy must have been gutted when he saw mark on his lens at the end of the day.
I can’t stop seeing it and it’s annoying 😂
I once had stance plus ultra coilovers on my Audi A3. Was horrible on the road I felt like in was Lewis Hamilton porpoiseing last year 😂 plus sat too low even on high setting my fuel tank scrapped on bumps. Ended up 8 months later getting ap racing and they been brill ever since. The stance plus ones one of rear shocks was shot. Only 8 months old!
I think we need a one more time for that drift battle.
12:00 I love learning about that setup stuff
Good video but one of the main advantages as you spend more on coilovers is the range of settings you can adjust. Also since I'm guessing you left them in out of the box settings it could have just been the difference in settings that allowed you to tell them apart
All the shocks were set to baseline settings, not necessarily out of the box. It's not just a settings difference, I can promise you that.
acutally the middle option(MeisterR Clubsport) have more adjustbility than the expensive option(Supermiatas Xidas), due to the MeisterR being dual perch.
@@KavinFan0803 The ClubRace being a two piece shock, have about 50mm less travel than Xidas, so yes, you are forced to decide whether you have no droop travel or no bump travel with that "adjustment". With the one piece, full travel Xida, no such compromise is required, while they have more bump and droop than the ClubRace at either end. Having easily adjustable door hinges on your car isn't necessarily a good thing :)
will's drifting was in my opinion the best!
Will did the best drift. Good angle 👌
What a fun day out. Seems the answer is ALWAYS Miata!
Of course Will likes the Mx-5 - the NC gen is underrated!
EXTRA DAMP
Will's drift gets my vote well done
Great test and Will was the best drift.
Huge High-Low/Donut Miedia vibes from this
even the thumbnails and all
Awesome video
Will absolutely sent that drift😎